Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: “China has always upheld the principles of diplomacy and the fundamental norms of international relations.
“At the same time we also take into consideration the history and the current complexities of the Ukrainian issue.”
That would be code for Taiwan and the South China Sea.
The Chicoms and Ruskis are kind of like the Liberals and Dippers – on the surface they appear enemies competing for finite resources (votes) but when a free market democratic alternative threatens their little monopoly on kleptocracy, they become bosom buds in a crunch.
Other world powers condemned Moscow for sending troops into the country.
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Present Obumbles spoke from his teleprompter today and said:
“The Russians are on the wrong side of history.”
This same idiot told the Musselmen to go ahead and take over Egypt,
supported their overthrow,
green light for Islamsick Musselmen taking over Libya.
and now its good for suicide Musselmen to destroy Syria.
WHICH SIDE OF HISTORY DID THIS DUMB ASS THINK HE IS ON?
What did he think the Russians would do?
idiot…
world embarrassment….
moron….
In a stealth move, China quietly takes over Zimbabwe:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/meanwhile-china-quietly-takes-over-zimbabwe
Yup here it comes. Lots of us knew on here it would come to this eventually years ago.
Lance you nailed it! I smell a serious war coming on.
People should take a look at how many times Russia and China both used their UN Security Council vetoes to stop NATO from invading/attacking another country and NATO just went straight ahead and did it anyway. Libya was just the latest.
I said Russia and China would take it as a green light to do the same and now they can throw it in our faces and say they’re just acting like we’ve been doing.
The Germans takeover the Sudetenland to ‘protect ethnic germans’.
The Japanese takeover Manchuria and Korea to ‘stabilize the country’.
The Russians takeover the Crimea to ‘protect ethnic russians’.
The Chinese takeover Taiwan to ‘protect ethnic chinese’.
Yes, we can see how the “Sudetenland Principle” will produce ‘peace in our time’; because mankind has obviously learned from history!
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
If anyone thinks the Russians are going to give up their harbor and facilities for their Black Sea fleet, they are definitely smoking something… Eh Obama?
Crimea has been part of Russia since 1801. It was only “given” to Ukraine in 1954 for political favors.
They are dead serious, and it will be theirs again.
‘It was only “given” to Ukraine in 1954 for political favors.’
It matters not from an international law point of view, the fact is Khrushchev ceded the Crimea to Ukraine; it is immaterial whether Ukraine wishes to remain socialist or not. This was confirmed when the successor state to the Soviet Union, the present Russia, signed off under Boris Yeltsin on the Budapest Memorandum in 1994.
International law doesn’t change because one party has a hankering to put its finger on the scales to ‘tip the balance’.
So the Ukrainian government need only respect its ‘brotherly ties’…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
http://www.soviethistory.org/index.php?page=subject&SubjectID=1954crimea&Year=1954
On February 27, 1954 Pravda published a short announcement on its front page that the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR had decreed on February 19 the transfer of the Crimean oblast’ from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The decree, which ran a mere eight lines, stated that this measure was being taken because of “the economic commonalities, territorial closeness, and communication and cultural links” between Crimea and Ukraine. Page two contained a summary of the discussion in the Supreme Soviet’s Presidium and transcripts of speeches by six of its members including the chairman, Klement Voroshilov. Several of the speakers, including Voroshilov, referred to the three-hundredth anniversary of the “unification of Ukraine with Russia,” a reference to the Treaty of Pereiaslavl of 1654 concluded between Ukrainian Cossacks and representatives of the Muscovite Tsar. All characterized the transfer as symbolizing the strength of brotherly ties between the peoples of the Soviet Union.
“The world cannot just allow this to happen,” said Hague,Britain’s version of John Kerry.
So, what would Hague and Kerry,who is flying to Ukraine tomorrow, have “the rest of the world” DO about it?
More bullshit and bluster? Threaten to boot them out of G-8?
It is to laugh. The last Prez who had the courage to fight a war against a modern,well-armed aggressor is long in his grave,and so is his British counterpart, Maggie Thatcher.
We are led by an affirmative action Prez,and a bunch of closet socialists who live to rob their citizens.
The EU has warned Russia to move their 16,000 troops from the Crimea by Thursday, or they will………um……er…..
Obumbles votes present
Forgot to mention my new slogan,”Today the Crimea, tomorrow Taiwan”.
Bring it on you commie devils, we’re a bunch of pussies.
btw, on several blogs I’ve seen today, the comments still blame George W.Bush for the sad state of affairs concerning the U.S. military.
And the agreement to protect Ukraine if they got rid of their nukes???
Meanwhile, the Obama has plenty of time to threaten the Israelis: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-02/obama-to-israel-time-is-running-out
Get serious, or is that wishful thinking. The violence and bloodshed has stopped with Russia’s intervention. Now you want more?
Mikey is right: “Crimea has been part of Russia since 1801.” This action is merely correcting the mistake that ‘gave’ it to Ukraine.
Did Canada sign it?
Napoleon invaded Russia.
Hitler invaded Russia.
Russia does not trust the EU, whose main players are France and Germany.
Any questions?
In short, you can’t march your troops into Ukraine, without recognizable markings, and blindly assert you are abiding by the Budapest Memorandum.
In international parlance, “You’ve got your fingers on the damn scale!”
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484
Confirm the following:
1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine;
2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;
3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used;
5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,
except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;
6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.
This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.
Signed in four copies having equal validity in the Ukrainian, English and Russian languages.
For Ukraine:
(Signed) Leonid D. KUCHMA
For the Russian Federation:
(Signed) Boris N. YELTSIN
For the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland:
(Signed) John MAJOR
For the United States of America:
(Signed) William J. CLINTON
north of 90
I’m with paul on this, I can see war on the way as well. In the middle east, as Israel is attacked, in the far east as Russia and China take what they have been iching for for years. The world now knows that the USA has been de-balled by Obumbles. And I think that university certificate you bragged about should be taken outside and burned!
I wouldn’t get ready for the red invasion just yet – at the rate the Chicoms bought up US debt and dollars, and the way Russia depends on Euro dollars from petro sales Obumbles could inadvertently topple both empires by continuing to devalue the US dollar with debt and QE.
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief >
You forgot –
“The Mexicans take over California to protect the ethnic Mexicans.”
There is plenty which could be done short of war.
Sanctions. No fly, no entry lists. A haircut on oligarch’s foreign holdings. However, in mid-winter, the Russian hold on Euro gas supplies suggests that nothing will be done.
For the Ukraine the loss of Crimea is not the end of the world. Nor is the loss of the Russian speaking, orthodox, east. The larger question is whether the Ukraine itself survives as sovereign.
Trading off the ethnically Russian areas for the right to engage with the EU likely makes more sense than war.
Not that there is any danger that the big Zero and the Euro weanies would go to war over a place far away about which they know very little.
Whatever happened to the Tatars who were deported from Crimea when Khruschev gifted the territory to Ukraine in 1954?
Occam >
“I wouldn’t get ready for the red invasion just yet”
Neither would I, why would they invade Red Dawn style when every Russian and Chinese espionage agent they could muster either immigrated or walked across the Open Border into the US over the last 4 decades.
The Chinese simply need to stop selling to Wal-Mart and demand their money back to throw the entire US into economic collapse. Then they send out their tens of thousands of friendly little Chinese restaurant workers scattered across every city, small town, or poopville to rein anarchy on the nations remaining infrastructure.
It’s a no brainer, the US including all we westerners have already destroyed ourselves from within.
A commendable point you raise!
Yep, the 21st century should be splendid; because we’ve all forgotten the lessons of the 20th century.
Oh I’m sure it’ll be solved by the next beer summit, or is Oktoberfest too far away?
Yep, the “Sudetenland Principle” led to this conclusion:
1945 -Lost German -Czech girl in Sudetenland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCzIelBSrD4
Short film taken by US Army patrol on the way to Prague from Pilsen in spring 1945 – she was gang raped and beaten by the Red Army soldiers
So it appears 60 million people wasted their time in WWII; because civilization has ‘advanced’ so much that certain parties have adopted National Socialist rationalizations about respecting agreed upon international borders.
Maybe the next diplomatic delegation should ask Putin if he still intends to ‘string Saakashvili up by the balls’
http://metro.co.uk/2008/11/14/putin-wanted-to-hang-georgian-president-by-the-balls-148415/
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told the French he wanted to string up the Georgian President ‘by the balls’.
The conversation between Mr Putin and French President Nicholas Sarkozy occurred during Sarkozy’s peace mission as Russian tanks were 30 miles from the Georgian captial Tbilisi, Jean-David Levitte, Mr Sarkozy’s chief diplomatic adviser said.
Putin wanted to hang Georgian President ‘by the balls’Putin didn’t like the Georgians
‘I am going to hang [Georigan President Mikheil] Saakashvili by the balls,’ Mr Putin declared.
‘Hang him?’ — M Sarkozy asked.
‘Why not?’ Mr Putin is said to have replied. The Americans hanged Saddam Hussein.’
But M Sarkozy appeared to defuse the situation by saying: ‘Yes but do you want to end up like [President] Bush?’
Mr Putin said: ‘Ah — you have scored a point there.’
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Hans @ 8:16,well said.
Apparently a deal is a deal unless your crony might not be holding the scepter of office any longer.
set you free @ 9:57, Stalin expelled the Tatars in 1944. After Khrushchev ceded Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954 the Tatars were allowed to come back to the Crimea.
Knight 99, “It’s a no brainer, the US including all we westerners have already destroyed ourselves from within.” Basically that is where we are at and the Russians, as well as militant Islam have discovered, and I’m sure the Chinese also know that. We have emasculated ourselves into pink dressing wusses. We, as a society are empty shells waiting to be knocked over, and the barbarians are at the gates, some even in the gates.
Furthermore, I am shocked at the number of commenters here who think it is just fine and dandy if Russia takes all of Ukraine back.
Thanks for the clarification. Got my time frames mixed up.
That’ll teach me for relying on my memory.
Once Putin secures Crimea, my guess is that’s as far as he’ll go. Of course, I’ve been wrong before.
Plenty of people taking their Chicken Little pills, though.
*Great* comments and links, Hans.
Crimea, yes, the rest of Ukraine, no. Putin isn’t Obama, he’s smarter than that. see “The Upside” discussion.
No, Ken, I don’t think it fine, nor if they were talking sensibly would most anyone here. The problem is that all of us understand that under its current leadership there’s literally nothing that will be done. And given the competence of the leadership in Whitehall, the White House and Brussels, they’d only stuff it up if they did try something serious.
Think for one minute Uncle Vlad would have tried this on if George Bush (either one) or Bill Clinton was in office? Or if Maggie was around to say “Now’s not the time to go all wobbly”?
Of course not. Confrontations are about leadership, not just economic and geopolitical facts. Uncle Vlad has sized up the competition, and as all of us here noted, our leaders are probably the weakest set of dimwits the West had been led by in the past century. Neville may have signed off on Munich in 1938, but took mere hours to decide on war in 1939. Britain and France didn’t even bother with ultimatums then.
Well, I apologize if I was wrong, but it sure sounded like a few had no problem with Putin invading all of Ukraine.
Ordinarily I have empathy with both the Russian and Ukrainian people as they have gone through a lot in the last century, but dam*it, after 800 years of being kicked from one tyrant to another isn’t it about time they were left alone to chart their own destiny?
For everyone who is crying this is illegal, I have one word for you “Iraq”. Try to twist yourselves in a knot claiming the US invasion of another nation is anymore legal than Russia and Ukraine…
UN law only matters until it doesn’t.
No,Ken,I certainly don’t approve of Russia’s actions, just recognize we don’t have leaders with courage anymore. What military assets does NATO have in Europe now? there must be a few divisions left that can actually mobilize?
I think the proper response would have been to mass some NATO armored divisions in areas where they could move into Ukraine if required,in other words, a little saber rattling,a show of force.
I believe Putin is a master poker player,and someone has to call his bluff.I don’t believe the Red Army is the (almost) unbeatable force we were led to believe it was back in the Cold War era,either.
But, our Leaders MUST know the state of the Russian Forces, they DO allegedly have huge intelligence agencies, so why in hell are they SO reluctant to meet Putin’s muscle flexing with a bit of their own? They know damned well that Putin isn’t going to go nuclear over the Crimea,so that BS is out as an excuse.
I believe it’s because we are led by sissified bureaucrats who are terrorized by the mere thought of physical violence,no “duellers” in our political ranks any more.
Is it possible that China will assert itself in Outer Manchuria (East Russia) while Russia is embroiled in a conflict on its western borders?
Hi Ken, seems my response was “held by administrator”.
So, my own position is that we in the West/NATO should have put whatever NATO still has in Europe on alert status the minute the first Russian soldier crossed into Crimea, maybe we could have mobilized a few armored divisions and rattled some sabers. That is,IF we have any military assets left in Europe.
But our pussified Leaders seem to believe that diplomacy is the only way,and in this case,they are wrong. Putin is a master at political poker,as he already showed in Syria,and his bluff had to have been countered with more than rhetoric.
Now all we can do is talk, and I’ll bet Putin will win more in this stage of the game than we do,because we are badly led.
Yeah well, the 800 lb gorilla all ignore is simple economics.
OPEC is smart enough to know that they must not do something to weaken/destroy their market.
The Russian economy is heavy dependent on sales of oil/NG to Ukraine and EU….
Ukraine and EU are very dependent upon oil/NG imports from Russia.
China may hold a whack of US debt but has the same dilemma as OPEC.
A war is nobody’s best interest.
Basically a phony war will ensue with a few sorry SOBs getting shot because fate put them in front of a bullet.
…tain’t right….tain’t wrong….just is……..
Ukraine is like Iraq? You mean Russia and Ukraine were at war, signed peace terms, and then Ukraine began systematically violating them? When did that happen?