“Not Criminally Responsible”
Meanwhile:
Punishment
(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of
(i) in the case of a first offence, three years, and
(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.
Don’t stop contacting your MP’s. When you do progress like this happens.
OTTAWA – Owners of popular rifles that the RCMP has re-classified as “prohibited” will be protected by a new federal amnesty.
“I will bring forward an amnesty to ensure that individuals in possession of these firearms can continue to possess their property without threat of criminal charges,” Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said Monday.
This RCMP re-classification crap is utter bull pucks. Stupid stuff like this drive normally sane law abiding citizens to go out and purchase/obtain one of these evil things just out of spite.
Queen’s Cowboys breaking down my door in three, two, one…
I’ve been playing phone tag with my MP for days. His office called me back a second time today but I was too busy to answer. You see, I was on a range today firing a C8 rifle. Funny, huh?
The “Amnesty” is not progress. The weapons remain Prohibited, which means they cannot be used. Can’t be taken to the range or used in any way. Sure, you can own ’em, but you can’t use ’em. It’s time to replace the Firearms Act.
Breitkeuz also says it might be best if firearms classifications decisions were taken out of the Mounties’ hands.
“I really feel that at some point we have to look at a committee of experts, maybe at arms length to the government “¦ that would deal with the classification issue,” he said. NDP public safety critic Randall Garrison says classification should be “based on public safety, without political interference.”
He’s right, as usual.
Don’t let the Conservative cabinet and its boss off the hook too easy.
Yes this is a matter of federal paramilitary police bureaucrats doing what comes naturally to them – a fascistic redistribution of personal freedom and property to the police state, – but it is also the fault of a government which ignored its own membership, its policy resolutions and its support base when it was told the whole thrust of a classified firearm licencing system is to criminalize lawful firearms ownership incrementally through gradual confiscation. At the heart of regulatory incremental confiscation is the firearms classification process and the unilateral bureaucratic decree moving unregulated firearms into the restricted and prohibited class for eventual confiscation.
Harper et al were made abundantly aware of this true latent danger in the Liberal (UN) firearms act. He chose to attack the strawman registry instead. Gutlessness! Secondly this is a matter of a government who has never come to grips with a firearms bureaucracy which holds it in contempt (and by extension the majority who elected it) and displays open insubordination at every turn by disobeying parliamentary orders and engaging in aggressive abusive behaviour – from keeping copies of registry data, to making their own laws up – to arbitrarily criminalizing lawful owners to break and enter to steal lawfully owned arms. Where are the pink slips for the guilty parties? More gutlessness.
This is a so called conservative law and order government that acts like a bureaucrat’s beatch.
Occam stated all I have to say – perfectly.
Stand Up and Be Counted – Sign the Petition
Text of the Petition
“The RCMP has added the Swiss Arms Classic Green carbine to the list of firearms they decided is now prohibited, after a decade of allowing Canadians to buy this freely as a non-restricted firearm.”
“We the undersigned do not agree with the RCMP’s ability to reclassify firearms as they wish and formally request the government to remove this ability out of the hands of the RCMP’s realm of powers.”
Link to the Petition
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/the-rcmp-abuses-c-68/sign.html
The amnesty, by itself, is totally insufficient. I accept it as a tactic to stall so that the CPC, Public Safety Minister, relevant gun organizations (CSSA, NFA) can consult and figure out a way to fix the Firearms Act so that the lawful gun owner is no longer subject to the whim of CFOs, RCMP officers, and nameless bureaucrats.
The CPC has both an opportunity and a risk here. If they think their job is done and they can walk away, then they will lose large parts of their base in the gun community. If they come up with a meaningful reform of the Firearms Act, they will have the same enthusiastic support as they did in the last election. And if you don’t think it made a difference, ask Mark Holland.
We are waiting. The work is only beginning.
You nailed it! That’s exactly how it goes down. Much more grief to follow, bet on it!
Concerned? Look into NFA membership. Not expensive, many benefits.
old Lori >
Well Said.
mouthofthegrand >
Not to split hairs, but you can transport some prohibited weapons to a range, if the range allows it. Not that that makes anything here right, they shouldn’t be prohibited in the first place and there should be no reason that an honest law abiding citizen could not take any of these firearms out to a safe field and shoot them all day long.
We also need proper Castle Laws, Stand Your Ground, and Concealed Carry.
The RCMP seem to be on a roll here, another gun has been added to the prohibited file:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3287408593001#3287418172001
oops:
This is the link for additional guns being banned by the RCMP, on the same day as the so called amnesty:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/rcmp-bans-more-firearms/3287408593001
The second gun banning happened Friday (to the CZ858). 10,000 of them in Canada.
Good points Lori. We can expect the CPC to promise a solution to this a few months before the next election.
Occam said it well.
Jim, sign the petition, done a few days ago. Also signed Cheryl Gallant’s petition.
http://responsiblefirearmsreform.ca/stop-reclassification-confiscation/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Stop+the+Reclassification+for+Confiscation&utm_content=Stop+the+Reclassification+for+Confiscation+CID_d411db9830af4116e57b23d6f289a4fa&utm_source=MP%20Host%20Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=sign%20my%20e-petition%20to%20support%20M-452
Holy cow, that is along URL.
Last week I wrote my MP and received a reply from him and Hon. Blaney within a couple of hours.
It remains to be seen if the government actually puts a stop to this and fixes the hole. If not, we are sunk when the Liberals are re-elected.
It’s pretty obvious that some people can’t handle the power that their positions wield.
Time to find people that can.
mouthofthegrand said: “The “Amnesty” is not progress.”
Must disagree. It absolutely IS progress. Having the Minister of Public Safety declare he’s going to create an amnesty to protect the public from his own cops? That’s a major deal. That is Minister Blaney, and by extension Prime Minister Harper sticking their thumbs in the RCMP’s eye on national TV.
I take this to mean the PMO told the RCMP not to do it, and the RCMP went and did it anyway, so now its payback time.
You know how the Lefties get the Nativity scene removed from in front of City Hall because one person called and complained? We now its our turn to be the one guy who called and complained. Except we need to be about a million people who call and complain and raise all kindsa hell with the MPs and their constituency offices.
So, mouthofthegrand, go be that guy. Don’t complain to us, call up your MP and tell her. If its Diane Finley, be nice. She’s on our side.
I get the feeling that the government, wants the guns, before the fiat economy collapses (the US is bankrupt). This is just the beginning, to something I believe started state side.
Sound crazy, well there is a bill already signed in the US, just waiting to be pushed through, they need the right moment. The gun confiscation during Katrina and our Canadian equivalent Prince George was a test to see what we would do. The holes in this bill was not just a coincidence, but it was done deliberately. If the cons play their card right, they can blame it on the liberals, when it was them all the time.
Be careful about inaccurate advice about firearms transportation laws. You need an authorization to transport (ATT) from the CFO not merely a range allowing use of prohibs.
Another thing worries me here. The amnesty is about possession not storage. If a firearm is classified as prohibited then storage requirements change… Wonder how many owners will get a visit from jack booted thugs in order to verify proper storage of their firearms. Firearms in general you know. Of course the thugs would never keep the copy of the registry and visited only certain houses of interest. It would be unprecedented…. oh wait nevermind.
So now we have the unelected RCMP setting laws in this country. I suppose they will now have to change their uniform colour to brown.
So now we have the unelected RCMP setting laws in this country. They will now have to change their uniform colour to brown.
I say nay to the amnesty as well. I will not be satisfied until C-68 is repealed in entirety and the RCMP have zero power to make laws as an unelected body. It would also be my opinion that all firearms now classified as prohibited be returned to non-restricted status as an in-your-face to the idiots who have been reclassifying in the first place. This idea of an arms length expert panel to reclassify is a stupid idea as well. They will constantly be searching for firearms to reclassify otherwise they are out of a job. Ridiculous. We are not criminals and there is no reason we cannot have whatever firearms we choose.
A bit off topic I know. But has anyone else noticed that the daily polls a sunnews web site have been hijacked over the last week or two. BTW todays poll has to do with the ongoing gun grab
The Harper Conservatives declaring an amnesty does not change the RCMP’s power to arbitrarily prohibit firearms and create criminals out of otherwise peaceful, law abiding Canadians.
It doesn’t even change the status of the Swiss Green rifles nor the CZ-858 rifles. If they declare, grandfathering status, it only allows those to possessing them, as long as they have valid licenses to retain them.
That is until the RCMP decide to revoke said licenses arbitrarily or the possessor dies(a police raid after revoking a P.A.L. licence … is that an implication? Of course it is, all “gun calls” these days “require” paramilitary SWAT teams. (How police survived for 135 years before possession of a firearms became a criminal offense must be a mystery).
Canada’s current Firearm’s Act and Regulations, if the Harper Conservatives had campaigned on retaining it, as they have done, would never have been elected.
Harper’s wager is that since simple, peaceful possession of a firearm has been made criminal, the 6 million firearms owners(pre-2001 estimates w/15-20 million +firearms) have been intimidated, and the 2 million of those who registered themselves with the RCMP, agreeing to 24/7/365 surveillance, would be too intimidated to protest.
Fortunately, for Canadian liberty, some of them refuse to live in submission to their government.
Sunnews is the only media treating this as the serious issue it is.
There is no hard, scientific evidence that C-68(1995/C-17(1991) restrictive, unreasonable laws improve public safety, e.i. Auditor General’s Reports, John Lott, Prof. Gary Mauser et al.
Under it, a growing number of police view the citizenry and Parliament in contempt.
Indeed, the use of firearms in crime by urban gangsters has increased markedly as have the gangs influence to intimidate ordinary citizens. Being a witness to violent crime is now a much more dangerous activity.
The High River Raids, using the repealed by parliament long gun registry, was contempt of Parliament.
In a Canada under the rule of law, those officers would have been dismissed for acts unbecoming and then charged criminally. That isn’t happening.
There is not even a judicial inquiry being called, who could examine the Charter violations and call members of the Canadian armed forces as witnesses.
The RCMP even tried to persuade the Cdn. Armed Forces to assist them in the raids starting June 24. They had announced, they were about to leave as the flood waters had started to recede and public safety was no longer at risk. The residents had been accounted for.
Fortunately, the Canadian Armed Forces, having respect for Canadians and the rule of law and Charter Rights, refused.
Since the Nuremberg War Tribunals, agents of the state, clearly have an obligation to disobey illegal orders or face trial.
The arbitrary prohibitions here and the raids in High River are intimately related. The government must answer for both and for the unreasonable legislation, they continue to endorse.
Actually there is a pattern…that has not much to do with firearms…but government policy in general.
Despite Parliament’s deliberate, publicly announced abandonment of the KYOTO agenda…..the CBC and Environment Canada continue to crank out AGW propaganda like an organ grinder….
Government agencies defying Parliament….seemingly making time until the political element which appointed/hired them from the party faithful regains legislative power.
IOW an LPC minded civil service in open mutiny to the elected government.
Like the police….the civil service is long overdue for a cull.
However when one considers the demographic talent pool inclined to take these careers, and the long march through the institutions, would new hires be much of an improvement?
Fortunately Canada has entrenched voter ID in place.
Like most nations, Canada is a police state. The vast majority of Canadians think that Rights emanate from the state, that individual sovereignty is subordinate to the collective. Guns are a perfect test for this proposition. Conservatives are a minority who govern from the centre-left due to a finessed parliamentary majority. They have calculated that they can maintain their base support by throwing them a few bones such as the above “Amnesty”. In their world of a political sand box within a culture owned by the institutional left, they eventually adopt an attitude that they have to at least humour their wacky uncle who clings to “Guns and Jesus”. Harper had no hesitation in distancing himself from the libertarians because they are so few in numbers and actually spout “un-Canadian” values such as natural rights, property rights, free speech, you know, the quaint holdovers from a less enlightened era.
Sadly, he is still somehow preferable to the Spawn of Satan (the one who “granted” rights in his “Constitution”).
The amnesty does not change the fact that you just became a criminal overnight, it just insulates you temporarily from the consequences, nor does it address compensation or the security of knowing what you buy might remain yours. this will put a huge dampers on other firearm purchases.
Well boys I am long past the point of caring what some liberal lickspittle on the supreme court says – or their flunkies in the RCMP. This is NOT about public safety or crime. Gangbangers are not buying $3000.00 rifles, converting them to full auto – and stuffing them with 5 shot magazines – to go knock off a liquor store or fight a turf war for drugs. This is about the liberal agenda to disarm the private citizen. They want to do this – and then legalize drugs. I have three words for you liberal gun grabbers and your toads in law enforcement:
GO
F***
YOURSELVES
What next? My deer gun? My target pistol? No – you can come get them, fellas.
I am constantly bewildered at why people still respect the Queens Cowboys. They have always demonstrated their anti-gun bias.
Case in point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLo18EcZxsY
It’s not time to replace the firearm act, it’s time to do away with it, and stop making Canadians into potential victims by not allowing them to carry. We either live in a free country or we do not, and free men don’t need permission to protect themselves, their families or those around them.
It’s time for Canadians to get their basic rights back.
“This idea of an arms length expert panel to reclassify is a stupid idea as well. They will constantly be searching for firearms to reclassify otherwise they are out of a job. Ridiculous.”
Bravo, exactly. Child Abduction Services are a private non-profit organization in Ontario, look how well that one ended up? Replacing one soulless, valueless, hartless, brainless bureaucrat with another does not solve a problem.
What we need is a right to bear arms (also property rights as well a freedom of speech, freedom of association … yeah right, keep dreaming).
Without property rights,rule of law,civilization is done.
The fools and bandits inside our bureaucracies have been tolerated for far too long.
The senior staff at the RCMP must be fired.
Too stupid to understand their own responsibilities.
C68 must be completely rescinded, this festering wound to civil society continues to poison our needed institutions..
Open carry for all taxpayers.
Not for parasites.
Shooting of overly stupid or criminal taxpayer employees should be rewarded as a first option, investigated as manslaughter only in extreme cases.
After all removing fools or bandits from positions of authority is a civic good.
The RCMP has clearly stated their case, they will not respect civil law, nor will they be bound by the rights of their employers.
Join the Biggest Street Gang in the Country.
I still remember when Trudeau was first elected he stated clearly that his objective was to disarm the nation. It now appears the consevatives are of the same mindset.