Outremont:
38% NDP, 32% Lib, 14% BQ
Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot:
49% BQ, 32% CPC, 6% NDP, 5% Lib
Roberval-Lake-Saint-Jean:
43% CPC, 37% BQ, 12% Lib, 4% NDP
Source
Chantal Hebert – “a disaster-in-the-making..”
Outremont:
38% NDP, 32% Lib, 14% BQ
Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot:
49% BQ, 32% CPC, 6% NDP, 5% Lib
Roberval-Lake-Saint-Jean:
43% CPC, 37% BQ, 12% Lib, 4% NDP
Source
Chantal Hebert – “a disaster-in-the-making..”
heh!
This is known colloquially as ‘taking out the trash’.
I trust that the voters of Quebec will give the LIEberals the ‘ass-whipping’ they so richly deserve.
Perhaps a more appropriate description of the LIEberals would be:
Her Majesty’s Disloyal Philistines
Cheers
In the last Federal election, Quebec rejoined the rest of Canada. These new poll results just confirm the fact.
Quebecers dislike the Liberals as much as the rest of us do. No more “fortresses” for the Liberals there!
The Liberals are now the party of urban Ontario, the 416ers.
Obviously Quebec does not yet know the true hero (yeeeero) that is, Dion Braveheart of Canada.
I agree. Heh.
In the last provincial election, Quebecers rejoined the rest of Canada – voting for self-responsibility, capitalism and innovation (ADQ) rather than the isolationism of the ROC supported socialist welfare state.
So, hopefully, hopefully, the ‘tide is turning’ and Canadians can take back their government from the socialist elitists.
Remember how the Hollywood elites claimed that if Bush won the White House, they’d move to Canada? What do you think would be the Canadian equivelent if Harper is looking to get a majority? Where would the Canadian left-lib-limp wristers threaten to move to? Perhaps the U.S. should Hillary be elected. She’s planning on brining in Canadian style health care and high taxes, so I’m sure they’d feel right at home!
Eskimo:
Where would the Canadian left-lib-limp wristers threaten to move to?
Cuba.
Eskimo, Quebecers are reviled in Florida, so yeah, they’d fit right in?
Dee-On is going down the tubes faster than a Harper wet dream. Just gotta find 30% women canidates.
The drop in Liberal support in Quebec is a function of Quebec’s immigration policy which has resulted in a more homogenous populace than that of some other provinces. Conservative support in Canada seems highly correlated to the whiteness of a population – I’ll pause here while a few heads explode – and that is why the Tories do better than expected there. But that’s only half the story.
The other half – the half that makes Coyne and Hebert and the rest utterly useless – is that the MSM knows this, but would sooner drink turpentine than admit it, which is why they instead weave non-reality based stories more palatable to the pablum-fed proletariat, such as separatism is dead and Quebeckers are conservative.
Andrew:
There’s only one race … the human race.
Are you suggesting Quebeckers are not human and that people’s inherent thought patterns differ along skin colour?
I’m sure that kind of garbage is spewed out at National Socialist Party meetings, along with master race and eugenics theories, but I submit this type of attempt to divide along racial lines is a left-wing purview, not a conservative viewpoint.
The Liberals may be falling but so far the Conservatives have not been taking up the slack…the reason? because less than 30% of Canadians will ever support the current incarnation of the CPC….once the CPC moves even further to the centre then they will have there much coveted majority…unfortunately for the die-in-the-wool conservatives their party will no longer have their interests at heart, but will be a shadow of the Liberals circa 1999.
Hebert on CBC panel last night said something about, the libs have moved so far left they are indistinguishable from the NDP, policy wise.
So why vote for a lib if you can get the same programs without the corruption from the dippers?
Hebert wrote “Of the main federal leaders, (Dion) alone has to convince an increasingly dubious party that there is not a better person for his job looming on the sidelines.”
Well you can always get a good idea of what the Liberals are plotting by watching The National. They consistently float as “news” whatever — and it’s just a coincidence, I’m sure — new ideas the Liberals are pushing. Based on the September 11 broadcast it seems that these broadcast spokesmen for the next Liberal push are aware of an imminent — two, three months? — change.
They’ve protected Dion since the leadership convention by presenting their own glossy cardboard cutout of him, but on Tuesday’s broadcast they allowed him to savage himself with himself: he was asked, in a prime-time on-air interview, the sort of tough questions other politicians regularly have to answer as a part of their job description.
Dion looked as if he considered being put in such a position on a CBC broadcast an unexpected breech of protocol.
Mansbridge: “Last question, and it’s on Afghanistan — still — why did you answer that question last week, when you were asked have you gone, why have you not gone yourself to Afghanistan, you said, well, you’ve had a lot of other invitations over the summer, across the country, and you haven’t gone to Afghanistan, and I guess the question that some people are wondering is, if you’re willing to bring the government down over the Afghanistan position, why haven’t you gone there yourself, to get a sense of the situation on the ground — and in truth it’s not just you, a lot of other MPs and other opposition leaders haven’t been as well — but when you look at other countries — the US, Britain, the Dutch — who are facing a big vote — parliamentary delegations go there a lot. Why have you, personally, not gone to Afghanistan?”
Dion looked defensive, almost startled by the sudden dearth of complicity and cooperation he’s accustomed to. He said weakly: “I will do my best to go, Peter, but in all fairness, you cannot dispute that I did a lot since I am a leader, in order to travel everywhere in Canada, but I — ”
Mansbridge: “– (but it’s) the issue that you say is crucial, and you want the government to take a particular stand, and yet you haven’t been there.”
Dion: “I will do my best to go there.”
(Silence. Long, uncomfortable pause, waiting for Dion to elaborate. Nothing.)
Mansbridge. “All right, we’ll leave it at that.”
And this earlier exchange in the interview suggests that Dion is perhaps becoming an outsider in his own party to forces (Iggy’s) in the ascendant:
Mansbridge: “…there is talk that there are talks going on between your party and the government and the other parties to try and find a common solution to a position on the Afghanistan mission. Is that true, that there are talks going on?”
Dion: “No, I’m not aware of anything of this kind with the official opposition…
The CPC are already well left of center.
Sean said, “The Liberals may be falling but so far the Conservatives have not been taking up the slack”
Actually Sean, Roberval-Lake-Saint-Jean went BQ in 2006, so if the CPC pick it up as the poll indicates . . . .
Cheers,
lance
slightly ot. the conservatives sound just like the liberals and ndp. just a few phrases from our local conservative candidate.they are going to 1 end neglect and underfunding that jeopardise health care in our community. 2 investing in public education. 3 promoting arts and culture. 4preserving and improving our environment. 5 strengthening post-secondary education 6 fighting poverty. wow now who wouldn’t jump on that tax and spend platform. i told you i am the only conservative alive in canada.
This is great news. I’m astounded by the NDP numbers in Outremont – I suspected they would be high, but not this high. Wow.
It’s particularly heartening to see those Roberval-Lac St. Jean numbers. That was the BQ heartland in the past. It’s fantastic to see Conservatives leading in areas like that.
Now if we could only see numbers like that in Liberal Gatineau.
The CPC have phoned me several times lately for a donation. I have always politely informed them that I will start donating to them again when they start acting like conservatives instead of pandering to Toronto and quebec.
“Now if we could only see numbers like that in Liberal Gatineau.”
LMAO, you do dream big. Lac St. Jean is also one of the whitest ridings in Canada, by the way.
There’s a separate and surprising weak correlation between civil servants (either federal or provincial) and voting Conservative which explains why the CPC did relatively well in Quebec City and Ottawa-Gatineau last election and could conceivably do OK in Gatineau next time.
Civil servants make good coin these days, which means they are sensitive to high marginal tax rates and big new spending schemes.
that isn’t Liberal slack in Roberval Lance, notice how the CPC isn’t even on the board in Outremont. If they were truly picking up Liberal slack I would have expected to see something there.
However, I was also speaking to the CPCs poll results the last election, not just one riding.
They’re afraid.
From Liblogs:
“The Liberals would be left to damage control, as the realization that the last bastion of support is threatened and Dion looks an albatross.”
Even they can’t spin it.
“last bastion of support”
Que? Whoever wrote that is living in the 70s. The Liberals have lost 7 consecutive elections in Quebec and haven’t won a plurality of seats there since Trudeau.
No, andrew, I don’t think your conclusions are valid.
It is not a truth that skin colour determines political filiation. As ‘set you free’ said – there is only one human race.
Quebec has always been homogeneous. But it has always been socialist. It is true that it has the smallest ratio of immigrants and most of its immigrants live in Montreal – and Montreal has always been firmly Liberal. But the rest of Quebec has not voted Conservative – but, also Liberal. And then, with the rise of separatism, Bloc/PQ.
The ADQ is, I suggest, the most aligned with the CPC ideology of self-responsibility, decentralization, capitalism, etc.
Actually, separatism IS dead; with decentralization as developed by Harper, there is no need for separation. And the old guard marxist ideologues – who promoted separatism – are, well, they are old. And the young people in Quebec are far more globally involved, less isolationist and not part of that marxist/separatiste revolutionary ideal.
And Quebecers still tend to be ‘conservative’; I don’t mean politically, I mean economically. They tend to want franchises and make-work projects, rather than taking the risks themselves of entrepreneurship.
Also – your suggestion that there is a correlation between civil servants and voting conservative – is wierd. Are you actually saying that Liberal appointed civil servants vote conservative?? Heh.
Sean – you are ignoring that the CPC has no choice but to ‘go left’ – given the situation, which is first, that Canadians have been brainwashed for over a generation to believe that the Big Govt welfare state socialism of the Charter is ‘the only way’. And second, Canadians have set up Quebec as the lynch pin in any electin with its guaranteed 75 seats, and, its long history of living as a ‘kept society’.
EBD – many thanks for the Mansbridge-Dion conversation. I refuse/cannot abide to watch the CBC or CTV. But – that’s quite a conversation. It does indeed look like the Liberal gloves are off – and they are after Dion (I’m considering that the CBC and Mansbridge are Liberal acolytes).
And Dion – as ever, the petulant who whines.
“No, andrew, I don’t think your conclusions are valid.”
And this concerns me how? I’ve told you repeatedly that I have zero respect for your thoughts.
“It is not a truth that skin colour determines political filiation. As ‘set you free’ said – there is only one human race.”
Did they teach you that at your last union meeting, you careerist academic pseud? There is an extremely large amount of data proving that you are wrong, such as the well documented tendency of Blacks and Jews to support the Democratic party in America. For one example out of thousands I can cite:
“The Solomon Group analysis took a new look at polling data and concluded that 77% of Jewish Americans voted for Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry, an increase from previous results. Not only did Senator Kerry receive most of the Jewish vote, but a large majority of Jews, up to 74%, continue to identify as Democrats. In fact, these results were reflected among both genders and across all age groups.”
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/04/jewish_support.php
“Also – your suggestion that there is a correlation between civil servants and voting conservative – is wierd.”
Good, that makes me more confident in its validity. The numbers support my hypothesis. Do you even know what a civil servant is? They are hired, not appointed, in the vast majority of cases. You live in the hinterlands and I have to pull rank on you here, it doesn’t work the way you think it does.
Andrew said “I’ve told you repeatedly that I have zero respect for your thoughts.”
So the pregnant question is why does Andrew keep spouting his fonts of wisdom to those he has zero respect for?
It would appear somewhat tautologous to keep responding to ET’s posts.
I think ET likes yanking my chain, Hans, and I sometimes enjoy responding in kind. A bit of a game.
So tell me, what do you think of my hypothesis? I’m actually somewhat amazed that such a mainstream thought would meet such resistance at Canada’s premier conservative blog. Would it help if I added some latin?
Ceteris paribus, White people tend to vote Conservative and Brown people tend to vote Liberal as compared to the population at large. This is controversial…why? It logical to deduce that based on Liberal policies Brown people perceive there to be benefits, material and otherwise, to voting Liberal, such as race hiring quotas and chain immigration.
ahh, andrew – since you have zero respect for my views, then – as Hans pointed out – why do you comment on them?
Now, let’s take your invalid views, one by one.
Again – skin colour doesn’t determine political filiation. That’s because an inherited trait doesn’t affect a socially derived trait. That’s biology, andrew. Gosh – you don’t know that? Heh.
Nothing to do with unions. I’m against unions, by the way – and I know you have zero respect for my views – so, I’ll tell you anyway. I consider unions to be parasites.
Oh – and I’m a pseudo-academic? How come? What’s pseudo about me, andrew??
Does a Jew have a skin colour? I didn’t know that!Is a Jew a ‘race’? Is it an hereditary attribute? Hmm, andrew??
No- the fact that many, but not all, people who are black, and who are Jewish, support the Democratic party – which is Liberal, has nothing to do with their skin colour but with the ideologies of the Democratic party – supporting immigration, multiculturalism. Your previous post said that conservative support in Canada was correlated to ‘whiteness’.
So, support may have more to do with the socioeconomic agendas of various people and nothing to do with any hereditary attribute, ie, ‘whiteness’.
Now, to civil servants. The head guys are appointed – and then, the hiring processes in these enclaves are effectively intellectually incestuous, ie, they hire intellectual clones of themselves. The Civil Service in Canada is primarily Liberal. Not Conservative.
I live in the hinterlands? Good god – Toronto has been called many things, most of them deserved, but ‘hinterlands’? Heh.
Have fun, andrew, my favourite Cloud Dweller.
from Wiki: “a species is one of the basic units of biological classification. A species is often defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring”
Humans are a species.
Again form WIki “The term race refers to the concept of dividing people into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics and beliefs about common ancestry”
Thus, there is a white race etc.
The term “Human Race” is clearly a misnomer.
As for Andrew’s observation that where there is a higher population of whites in Que, the vote is more tilted towards the BQ and CP – he is absolutely correct – the polling data bears this out.
His conclusion that this pattern is because they are white is however, incorrect. It is because they are franco-Quebecois – the white anglo-quebecers in urban Montreal have traditionally voted liberal altough some now, apparently, are switching alligiance to the former PQ environment critic – a shift of the green wing of the albatross that is the dion-led liberal party.
Both the CP and PQ (and ADQ) are playing heavily to the ‘pur laine’ crowd which has a xenophobic reflex to be anti-immigrant and thus the recent developments/statements regarding the veiled voter should come as no surprise.
(BTW – If you can vote by mail how does that differ from wearing a veil? Elections Canada IS correctly interpreting the law, as disturbing to the sensibilities as that may be – to me included. If they have proper photo ID and the little elections Canada slip that they get in the mail they should be able to vote.)
no, andrew, I’m not interested enough in you to ‘pull your chain’.
You were answering Hans question as to why you respond to me – by a fallacious tactic – ie, trying to put the onus for your act, onto me. Nope – won’t work. You have to take responsibility for your behaviour, all by yourself. Don’t try to fob it off onto others.
Now – your simplistic and reductionist statement that ‘white people vote conservative’ and ‘brown people vote Liberal’ – is nonsense. I note also that you are slithering in your definitions. You are now adding the socioeconomic values of the political party – and moving away from skin colour as causal to voting behaviour. Hmmm.
But, if your views were valid, then, the Liberal Party would not have dominated Canadian politics for the generation that it did. Canada was far more ‘white’ a generation ago – and yet, the Liberal Party has dominated. Not the Conservative Party.
Equally, if your views were valid – then, the Conservative Party would win, overwhelmingly, in Canada – because, despite immigration, the majority are ‘white’.
And, the Conservatives would have won for generations – and now – in Quebec. Instead, Quebec has been ‘leftist’ forever. And ever.
Oh – and where to the Jews fit in? Aren’t they white? No??? They are a different race? heh.
Have fun in the clouds.
I’d like to pose a question to andrew and Hans:
Does your ‘race’ vote the same way you do?
Can you prove it?
I still maintain there is only one race … the human race.
Your particular line of thought kinda reminds me of the title of Darwin’s first book:
On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
Is that the type of racism which inspires your thoughs and lines of reasoning?
Like, there’s master races and slave races and all that other nonsense which divides human beings against one other?
I was in Montreal a couple of weeks ago and I was surprised by the incredibly low visibility of the Liberal candidate in Outremont as compared to the other major parties. I understand the number of Liberal signs on the streets has increased since then, but it was clear to me at the time that the Grits were very slow out of the gates.
For the Conservatives, they have really nothing to lose and much to gain in these by-elections. If the current polling numbers stand up on election day, it has to seen as a solid victory for Harper. Winning even one of these ridings will pretty much guarantee no general election until fall of next year at the earliest.
Finally Quebec comes to its senses!
And they haven’t forgotten that the Liberals are crooks, apparently, nor do they think the Rain Man-like little Stephanie Dee-Ann is quite les pyjamas de chat.
I think, moreover, that a cat’s pajamas would make a better Liberal leader than poor little Steph…
Actually, if my education serves me correctly, Jewish people are a distinct race as a subset under the species, just as caucasions, Africans, Indo-Asian, Asian etc.. would be deemed as such as well.
It’s not necessarily a color of the skin thing.
Jewish Society is distinctive because it’s a matriachal society, tracing it’s decent through their mothers, which is actually a unique circumstance.
It doesn’t matter if your father was Jewish, it’s a matter of whether your mother was Jewish or not.
It’s the old adage “you always know your mother, but your father can be suspect”.
Anyway, I agree, if voting were done on the basis of the color of your skin, the Tories would be in power forever in Canada, so obviously this isn’t the case.
Kind of a stupid way to vote anyway.
All Liberals, the SS Dionista is about to set sail, Saturday is tango night, Sunday we stop and see the Puffins.
Monday… we were thinking about Iceberg chasing.
If there is any ‘browness in voting’ for the Liberal Party, I would suggest that it has everything to do with money laden BROWN paper envelopes. So in this century one could say that the ‘BROWN’ shirts number among the LIEberal party.
Notwithstanding my family’s association among the HUNS, I regularly correspond with some of Jewish extraction who are also ardent exponents of PM Stephen Harper’s government thus far.
Gee if HUNS and JEWS can get along, maybe there is still hope for the world yet?
Though I have studied the Origin of Species theory I have not found it compelling. Given all the battles and narrow escapes that my family have managed to endure; I would rather suggest
Divine Providence would get the nod.
One might reasonably posit the theory of supernatural selection. Seeing that Divine Providence doesn’t care what colour you are I don’t either.
If there is any master slave relationship in Canada; I would submit it is that the Canadian public are slaves to LIEberal’s mastering graft and corruption.
Thus they may, in the absence of an apology, respectfully go to hell.
Dion Interview
http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/video/politicseconomy/at_issue_dion_interview.html
joe calgary – no, your education doesn’t serve you correctly. The Jewish people are NOT a race; there is only one species -homo sapiens. This is a singular species; the various different attributes of skin colour, eye shape, hair type etc are simply variations of the one species; they do not form a ‘race’ or separate species. So- there is no such thing as ‘races’ in the homo sapiens species. We are one species.
No, the Jewish RELIGION is not matriarchal. It is matrilineal; that refers to descent. Matriarchal refers to governance. Judaism is an inherited religion, by the mother’s line; that is, membership within the religion is defined as valid IF your mother was within the religion.
This is rather interesting, for it suggests that the early Judaic society was not, like the Islamic, pastoral nomadic, but was economically based around gardens – ie, the foods were provided by gardens planted and harvested by the women.
Human societies tend to politically privilege the ‘breadwinner’ who holds, so to speak, the ‘capital’ of the society – and the fact that the Judaic religion defines membership via the female line, as I said, suggests that the early economy was based around the work of the women. Probably small scale gardens and animals.
Islamic societies are patrilineal – descent is defined via the male line – and Islam is very obviously, if you read the Koran, a pastoral nomadic economy, based around the ‘capital’ of ownership of large animals. An economy that, furthermore, was under siege and was losing its grazing land base – which is why it was so militant.
Christianity is an agricultural religion, based around an economy that was settling larger and larger areas for stable farmland, amongst previously isolated peoples – and that’s why it was exhorting its members to ‘love each other’ and collaborate.
Religions aren’t separate from their economic and social origins –
But, as for andrew’s silly correlations between skin colour and political party – heh – pure specious nothing.
ET:
In short, Andrew’s assertion on racial voting is meschugge.
Hans:
‘Doesn’t care what colour you are and I don’t either.’
Absolutely correct.
What bugs me is that marxists often label national socialists ‘right wingers,’ when in fact they are both from the natural selection/survival of the fittest/we are superior so we’ll kill you first school on the left side of the spectrum.
Thanks for the clarification.
Notice how ET and Hans and my favourite relic from the 70s Gord Tulk are wholly ignorant of the discreteness of correlation and causation. Typical Canadians. Poorly educated, and brainwashed to the tits.
So now I am ‘poorly educated’?
Pray tell, how did you get a copy of my curriculum vitae?
Yep, I got a degree in mathematics and physics because I don’t understand correlation or causation.
Have a nice dreamscape Andrew.
Great thread guys, but why hasn’t anybody suggested a toast to the true hero and kingmaker, Gerard Kennedy?
Heh.
right, hans. Andrew is really ‘meshugeh ahf toit’.
He should ‘gai feifen ahfen yam’.
Now, andrew, there is also such a thing as valid and invalid or specious correlation. A correlation has nothing to do with causation but with RELATIONS. As in Hours of Work and Job Preferences.
Your claims of skin colour and voting preferences is an invalid or specious correlation. To attempt to RELATE the two – and never mind causation – is specious. There’s no valid correlation; there’s no need to even comment on the two variables because..get this … they aren’t related.
So Andrew are Italians brown or white?
Brown people have significant incentives, financial and otherwise, to vote for parties such as the Liberals which advocate policies such as race quotas and chain immigration. That logic is ironclad.
Does this actually manifest itself in voting patterns across Canada? Yes it does. That data, too, is ironclad.
We have causation, and we have correlation. Plainly speaking, Brown people have motive to vote Liberal, and the data shows they do so in greater proportion than that of the general populace.
If you cannot or will not understand what I have just explained then you cannot reasonably be considered intelligent or educated and should excuse yourself from discussing serious issues meant for adults.
“So Andrew are Italians brown or white?”
I see where you are going with this. My short answer is white (which, notwithstanding Italian Liberal support, does not disprove my stated truth), longer answer is beyong the scope of you not paying me for my brilliance. If I could, I would revoke your high school diploma.
Andrew, in politics the tendency for groups (ethnic, religious, class etc) to vote for certain parties is called “cleavages.” As far as I know, there are no voting cleavages in Canada. Unions vote in the same proportion as other voters, not NDP, for instance.
I am not aware of any data that supports your notion of the “brown” vote going Liberal. Even your assumption that “brown” people access more social programs is quite suspect. That is the fallacy of begging the question, I think. Our notion of cause and effect can play tricks on our mind (notice I didn’t say bigoted); that may have happened to you here. Notice I’m not calling you names, just questioning your conclusions.
Anyway, please share your data; I wish to be enlightened.
Andrew said: “Liberals which advocate policies such as race quotas.”
Such as the one they enacted, the party of one jew is too many during WWII.
“1938 The Jewish Congress said possibilities were nil of Jews entering Canada. When Germany invaded Austria Roosevelt called 30 Nations to discuss the refugee problem—THE EVIAN CONFERENCE According to the American Secretary of State, it was called not to really help Jews, but to divert the pressure on nations to change immigration laws. Mackenzie King recorded in his diary that any action permitting an appreciable number of Jews to settle in Canada would undermine the unity of the Nation. He said “This is no time for Canada to act on humanitarian grounds. but that Canada must be guided by realities and political considerations.”
Of course King was a member of the LIBERAL party.
Yes the realities of money and getting reelected.
Some say one is judged by the company you keep.
But then it got so awful even the Hell’s Angels were decrying the Liberals under the Martin regime.
The LIEberals should have created the Ministry for Responsible for National Scandal.
“Andrew, in politics the tendency for groups (ethnic, religious, class etc) to vote for certain parties is called “cleavages.””
Yes, I know, and I’ve attended enough confabs to know poli sci eggheads love using that word in that context, boring careerists that they are.
“Anyway, please share your data; I wish to be enlightened.”
I already posted data, see above; it’s your turn to show data that shows all races are equal in their voting patterns. Step to it, and good luck.
So tell me, regarding the spirit of this post and the poll results from Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagotare, are you people cheering on the Liberals to lose or the separatist party to win?