31 Replies to “Civilization vs. The Forever War Party”

  1. And guess what add showed up from YT for the video? … the federal government suicide crisis helpline!

  2. A superb summary. Civilization … or a Rules Based bureaucrat forever war Nihilism? Trump chooses civilization. I choose civilization. Western Civilization.

    I find it interesting that we are 50 years past civilization. I post the music of 50 years ago out of nostalgia … and creative excellence. When Artists were completely FREE to create, despite the fact that is was HARDER to create way back when … no pro tools, no auto tune, no internet. Yet all those tools have created banal music that (to my ear) mostly all sounds the same … as if everyone who creates it lives in the same 15min. cubicle on the 15th floor. Tools don’t make creativity … Owning nothing doesn’t foster creativity … FREEDOM and profit motive does.

    50 years ago, CA was a beautiful, (mostly) safe place. Families were strong. Home ownership was an attainable dream. My community … “looked like me”. I had just become an adult, having the (now nostalgic) privilege of living in a culture and civilization that was growing. Life was beautiful and positive … forward-looking.

    And almost immediately … Jimmy Carter scolded us to put on an old man sweater and lower our expectations … because peak oil or something. Because rampant anti-civilizational Islam or something. Then Obama told us … at a Christian Prayer breakfast!!! To “get off our high (Christian morality) horse”. And … that “we didn’t build that”. Bullshit!! We damn right built all of this. These people are the nihilistic enemies of civilization … who have driven our civilization down a dirt road.

    https://youtu.be/M6r4YWIz8SE?si=kUJtXZRuUhkTFzOv

    This is what Trump has been doing. Growing. The seeds he’s sowing … replanting Western Civ. Restoring Western Civ. His ROE favors lasting peace and lasting civilization. It’s how we won WWII … and it’s how we will restore OUR civilization.

    1. so happy for you kj, your post just exudes joy and confidence and RIGHTFULLY SO.

    2. Yeah, Kenji.
      You posted “Growin'” by Loggins and Messina. I used to love that tune but it just now rang hollow.
      They also wanted to live their lives and be free (Be Free song). to the rivers and trees, etc.
      As you noted, we are 50 years past civilization, and we can’t go home again.
      Strap in for what’s coming next.
      Oh, and those musicians that you think were free and shit, were getting ripped off by guys in suits who owned the payola record industry.
      Excuse my cynical retropective.
      That 50 year ago life in CA and up here was the illusion of freedom that Zappa noted.
      Illusion, meet brick wall.
      I loathe to think and write that, especially because I just enjoyed a lovely Spring day with the woman I love and the birds returning.
      Have a nice day.

      1. Your cynical retrospective is undeniable … yet … I’ll ask what ripped off Artists more? Brian Wilson’s dad and Record Co. moguls … or Napster? And now Apple Music? Aside from few notable atrocities … most Artists of 50 years ago did quite well. Now, the only way to profit from your creative genius is to go on neverending concert tours where the cheap seats are $300/ea.

        I’ll repeat …

        50 years ago, CA was a beautiful, (mostly) safe place. Families were strong. Home ownership was an attainable dream. My community … “looked like me”. I had just become an adult, having the (now nostalgic) privilege of living in a culture and civilization that was growing. Life was beautiful and positive … forward-looking.

        That wasn’t an illusion. That was a lived truth. Something my own children … who are far more financially successful than me … have no chance of attaining … unless they move out of State.

        1. “50 years ago, CA was a beautiful, (mostly) safe place. Families were strong. Home ownership was an attainable dream. My community … “looked like me”. I had just become an adult, having the (now nostalgic) privilege of living in a culture and civilization that was growing. Life was beautiful and positive … forward-looking.”

          I remember visiting THAT California when I was young, and it’s still what I think of when I think of California. If I could move to that California, I wouldn’t hesitate, but I understand that’s it’s gone and likely never coming back. But that’s true everywhere.

          Those of us who saw Back to the Future in theaters are now hoping that Doc and Marty will one day appear and take us back to 1985.

  3. well. afaic the Donald just redeemed himself for all the crudeness (albeit effective) for his entire time thus far.
    he has eluded to the generational aspirations of the nation, pushing for a CIVILIZED approach to things and environment and ALL that entails: peace, prosperity, culture, art, scientific inquiry, ye ‘whole ball of wax’.

    l lived to see it, the revival of the American ideal and dream at the very top. *he set the standard made the tough decisions, ordered the violence exactly and only where it had to go*, etc etc.

  4. participants in the victory:
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tyUyO4cv0IE
    the accusations of ‘tokenism’ are OVER. the ladies prove as fiercely tough and determined to lay down the ordnance and GET THE JOB DONE as any of them.
    and get this: their slighter frame means they can ‘swing around’ in the cockpit easier ‘keeping an eye on things’. and because of a lower body mass can sustain TIGHTER TURNS AND HIGHER G-FORCES and come home safely and mission accomplished.
    GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN MILITARY.

    1. Nope.

      https://indjaerospacemed.com/correlation-of-age-height-and-gender-with-gz-tolerance-among-healthy-indian-participants/

      Conclusion:
      Age and height showed no correlation with relaxed +Gz tolerance in both males and females nonaircrew subjects. Males exhibited a statistically significant, higher relaxed +Gz tolerance as compared to females.

      Anecdotally, older men do better.

      Pilots are also trained to do G straining, basically straining your muscles to inhibit blood flow to extremities (even with a G suit). So muscle mass also contributes. This being said, female pilots are as competant as male counterparts now that the race to have the “first female flying XXX” is over. I wish the media would get out of the 1970s

      1. ah shucks Gunn l cdnt slip that one by? anyways having an encyclopedic memory my information is sometimes out of date.
        l guess this is one of them. tq for the input.

        1. Not a problem I don’t mean to be mean about it. Fighter pilots, male or female need to be in very good shape. They are bolted to an ejection seat and the only part of their bodies that move save for the arms and legs are their heads (unless you temporarely loosen the shoulder harness). With the introduction of integrated helmet display, they also need to train their neck muscles. Male and female heads weight the same (regardless of what’s in them) so it’s a bit harder on the females, I guess, given muscle mass. The advantage for females weighting less is the weight limits on the ejection seats, males sometimes have to watch their diet, with the increasing amount of crap they put on them for survival gear. OTOH, there are still height and body proportions parameters to respect, so you won’t see 5’3″ fighter pilots… Most female I’ve seen are on the tall side (for a woman) and very fit.

  5. Iran has never negotiated in good faith. They have always played for time. I think they are doing this now too. They have always faced US Presidents eager to announce a win, promising to be good little Mullahs and changing nothing in their behaviour. Pakistan is the intermediary. The Pokiston of Obama, the country that harbored Bin Laden and subsidized the Taliban with the money the US gave them to fight the war on terror. Another two-faced Islamist corrupt shithole with a rogue intel agency. And of course behind the scene, China. I am not optimistic about this cease-fire. Iran has shown it can block Hormuz and would rather watch the world burn than to give up its power and its dream of nuking Israel. The TDS media will absolutely try to sabotage any effort or good news to hand the primaries to the Dems. Hopefully I’m wrong.

    1. You have to say which Iran. The IRGC is a tool and creature of the globalists. They maintain their part of power through murder of any opposition. But there is another Iran, which is why so much of the military effort has been against the IRGC. The threats to the rest, IMO were a motivator for the other Iran to stand up to the IRGC.

    2. There is ‘negotiation’, and then there is this. In 47 years, they have never had to negotiate, let alone in ‘good faith’, they were simply appeased so that the west could focus on other issues deemed more important at the time. The regime chose to see this ‘appeasement of convenience’ as a measurement of national strength, rather than what it was. The U.S. threw them a curve ball, once, with our blessing of Saddam’s Iran invasion, and fighting our proxy to a stalemate was seen as a validation of their strength, rather than the pyrrhic ‘stalemate’ that it was.. regardless of the terrible cost in blood and treasure the Iran/Iraq war brought them. Successive administrations ignored Iran’s various provocations against both American interests, and those of our regional allies, leading the Iranians to believe they were unstoppable.. and our regional allies had a hard time arguing against that mindset, especially as we delivered them pallets of cash to satisfy their extortion racket.. Perceived weakness led to the Shah’s downfall, and the incessant groveling of Dem administrations at the feet of the Ayatollah reinforced the perception of U.S weakness. Then, along came ‘W’.. G.W. Bush scared the shit out of them, he wasn’t afraid of tipping the apple-cart, and had them surrounded, with bases in ex-Soviet territories (enraging Putin), and occupied nations at all sides around them.. squeezing them, poised to crush them.. but his administration flubbed it.. badly.. and bogged us down in 2 decades of pointless mission creep, which put us right where Iran wanted us. Bush and Blair lost sight of the objective, they chose to embellish ‘nation-building’ (contractor graft), so they ultimately failed to solve the problem. When Trump came in to office the second time, Iranian arrogance blinded them to the danger they were in. They survived Bush.. how bad could Trump be?! Now, they know.. Trump is not ‘negotiating’ with them, regardless of what the bleating media says, he is dictating his policy at the barrel of a gun, pure and simple. They do not know how to respond to credible ultimatums without looking weak in front of their people, whom they are still desperately trying to repress, so they talk a lot of shit, praying they don’t get hit.. knowing all too well that ‘compromising weakness’ will end them the same way it ended the Shah (rest in piss, J. Carter). Right now, their already piss-poor economy has been utterly shattered, they are virtually out of fresh water on a grand nationwide scale, their prestige amongst their proxies has been diminished, their religious and military leadership has been decimated, and their enemies attack them when and where they choose, with virtual impunity, and Trump can deny them and the world, at his leisure, their only marketable commodity right now.. their precious oil.. They are still struggling in denial that they have lost a war before they even had the chance to fight., but they know all too well what awaits them next, at the hands of their own people..

      1. There are three different factions who all think they control Iran.. The military (IRGC), The Mullahs of Qom, and the politico/bureaucrats.The U.S. administration are dealing with the politico/bureaucrats, as they see them as being the most pragmatic of the three. The power struggle is going to go very public really soon, I believe, and I think that Trump is hoping that the politico/bureaucrats will roll over on the locations and whereabouts of the faction heads of the other two groups of fanatical jerkoffs, (the hopelessly optimistic IRGC, and religious lunatics in Qom) so that either the U.S. or Israel can eliminate them, and the last obstacles to an acceptable peace.

        1. Infighting has already gone public. They’re accusing each other of being traitors for even having ceasefire talks, protests and everything.

          1. Bickering vs. infighting.. Right now, they are bickering.. when the bullets start flying, we’ll have infighting. None of the three factions want to be seen as the group who ‘lost the war’, but the politico/bureaucrats are the only group who are intellectually honest enough to realize the war is lost, and only duplicitous western media spin, and anti-U.S. (anti-Trump) factions keep the illusion that they haven’t lost yet ‘alive’. To them, the people who keep the actual mundane functions of their state operating, it is brutally apparent as to position they are in.. they are well aware of the dreadful state of their nation.
            Pride goes before the fall.. If the IRGC admits their ‘weakness’, they will lose all control, not only over the repression machine that drives Iran forward, but over their proxies as well. If Qom admits their ‘weakness’, the entire sharia experiment has been a failure, and they will be judged for their weakness by God for it. If the politicos admit their ‘weakness’, Iran loses face, and they will be scapegoated by the other two moron factions hell-bent on Iran’s destruction, but if they survive and negotiate an end to the war, Iran gets sanctions lifted, friendly trade with the west, much more favorable trade terms with China/Russia.. including market price oil for China, economic aid from the IMF for their shit economy, Israeli technology assistance with their dire fresh water shortage, and the chance to become the next ‘United Persian not exactly Emirates’, with a Tehran that would rival Dubai in a few decades. I may be out of my depth here, but that is how I see it..

      2. The mullahs have always been window dressing for the real power, the IRGC.

        1. That is a fair assessment, but I always chose to look at the IRGC the same as I looked back on the Praetorian guard. You could also argue that the Praetorian guard was the real power behind Rome, and historically, at different times during different eras, you would be absolutely correct.. The clerics of Qom are generally seen as the true power behind the regime, yet the IRGC imposes their will. That being said, I do not believe that the IRGC could have ever publicly opposed the will of Qom.. until now.. and survived intact. Public support behind the regime always centered on Qom, especially amongst the hardliners. I suppose ultimately it’s a matter of “where does the dog end, and the tail start?”

  7. “more complex than most people realize”.
    yep.
    and some pee pull are to damnedably STOOOOPID to ever figure out.
    thus the reliance on ‘edicts from on high’ and a steady diet of propaganda.

  8. I don’t the “war party”. It’s not a single entity fighting to maintain power, it’s a bunch of smaller entities resisting change because they will lose either power or money. On a macro scale, there is a system in place and certain people have figured out how to make money off of it. If you shift that, then those people stop making money. They’re not working together, they just happen to have common interests that make them move in the same direction.

    BTW, the ceasefire has already fallen apart. Apparently Israel was supposed to let Hezbollah rebuild on its borders.

      1. Joey, Please see everyone’s comments about Iran negotiating in bad faith.

        My point was that the reaction to what’s happening isn’t a coordinated effort by a secret cabal, it’s a bunch of actors responding to the threat of their money and power being cut off. It looks coordinated because they’re all responding to the same thing.

  9. Why do I get the feeling that Trump has no effing idea what he is doing? Since when has any country followed a peace treaty with the US without having had the living crap beat out of them. Iran knows they have Trump by the sack and they aren’t letting him quit the easy way. Trump tried to fight a limited war just like every jackass president in the last 80 years. There is no such thing as a limited war. Fight to win or don’t fight at all.

    1. In the proxy wars of WW3 (started in 2014), Iran is a mirror image of Ukraine and Trump, to his credit, doesn’t like the idea of losing ships and troops in the reality of attempting an actual victory and is desperate to sell an off-ramp that doesn’t sound as bad as the actual 10 point peace plan which sets conditions worse than what was previously the status quo. The sound bites from him and his sycophants are incredible. Pulling out and claiming a (hollow) victory is better than the quagmire that Russia and China sponsoring the regime have in store for the US by attempting to control the Strait and sending boots on the ground.

  11. Mahatma Gandhi, on being asked, “What do you think of Western civilization?,” was reported to have answered, “I think it would be a good idea”.

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