Fat Cats

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1. The saggy skin is due to weight loss. It’s not a direct result of the drug itself. The loss of muscle is also a result of weight loss. When you eat less, your body responds by reducing both fat and (to a lesser extent) muscle.

   So an element of fear mongering here.

   1. When exercising, your body will burn muscle tissue as it’s the easiest to convert into energy. While you sleep your body replaces the lost muscle by converting fat.
      It appears that unnaturally losing fat means none to replace the muscle.
      All of these weight loss products always include this statement in the advertisements: “combined with diet and exercise – insert product name here – helps you…” It’s the diet and exercise that really matters, not so much the chemicals a person it sticking himself with. The chemical probably has more of a placebo effect and the patient changes habit whether knowingly or not.
      A neighbour with Type 2 diabetes is on it. He has lost a lot of weight but I also noticed he changed some of his life habits as well.

      1. “The chemical probably has more of a placebo effect…”

         Sorry Mike, that is quite certainly not the case. Maybe watch the video, and then go watch a few more to get a broader picture.

         These weight loss drugs cause people to shed fat rapidly. For sure. They also have a number of unpleasant and potentially damaging side effects, which anyone thinking about using them should consider. Hanging skin and muscle wasting being only two.

   2. If you don’t eat and are not active, your body eventually burns muscle tissue for energy, but imho this is nowhere near inevitable and not difficult to resolve amongst the no quick fix crowd. Saw a study where Ozempic was combined with resistance training and “myostatin blockers,” essentially hormones that naturally govern and inhibit unlimited muscle growth – resulting in significant muscle gain and fat loss over Ozempic alone. Inactivity over long periods of time mean muscle wasting; but even infrequent, short bursts of slightly strenuous activity enhance longevity, quality of life and mobility, 30 minutes “work” per week sufficient.

      1. I agree, but Ozempic users are almost by definition looking for shortcuts, so regular resistance training would not be an inviting prospect for many of them.

2. “The saggy skin is due to weight loss.”

   And you know this how? You seem very sure, on a subject that there’s been not much research done. Not to mention the term “Ozempic Face” has become common parlance. We should ignore the evidence of our lyin’ eyes? Again?

   The saggy skin is abnormal. It is strongly correlated with the drug and not “weight loss” as a thing. When people lose weight by dieting, their skin shrinks along with the rest of their body.

   As to the muscle wasting, that is a demonstrated side effect of Ozempic and not a good thing. Maybe look that one up too. It’s ugly.

   Which is what they’re telling you in the video. Making me question your intent, to be blunt.

   Generally speaking, unless the patient is morbidly obese and can’t manage without it, Ozempic and the other drugs have some seriously disturbing side effects. Internal medicine specialists commonly have reservations against prescribing it casually. Not what I’d be doing myself.

   But then I didn’t take the Mad Science Jab either, because the potential for bad outcomes was profound. Five years later, my decision is looking pretty good.

   1. The saggy skin is abnormal. It is strongly correlated with the drug and not “weight loss” as a thing.

      And you know this how? You seem very sure, on a subject that there’s been not much research done.

      When people lose weight by dieting, their skin shrinks along with the rest of their body.

      Made-up horshit. People who lose significant weight have always had problems with loose skin. Sometimes it can take a few years for the skin to fully contract. When a massive amount of weight is lost, the skin might never fully shrink without surgery.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18751762/

      Making me question your intent

      Standard person attack by The Phantom. I’d miss it if it weren’t there.

      1. Well, I wasn’t going to say anything, but then I feared you might miss me, and we couldn’t have that, could we, jackass?

      2. I know this from clinical experience and training, I’m a physical therapist. I’ve seen some weight loss patients, right? They complain about their knees a lot. Then they lose weight and their knees miraculously improve, it’s like magic. [I’m rolling my eyes now.]

         Sagging skin in weight loss is -abnormal- and a sure sign they’re doing it wrong. The stories you hear about guys donating yards of skin to burn victims come from the 400lbs to 600lbs+ crowd who crash-diet and take off in a year what they took ten years to gain. There is a difference from the usual when a guy loses 300lbs and still weighs 300lbs. It’s not normal. Common, but not normal.

         Your link is to this study: “Body contouring surgery following bariatric surgery and dietetically induced massive weight reduction: a risk analysis.”

         Key word, “massive.” As in, abnormal and extreme.

         If you lost 50lbs in a couple months on #TheOz, you went from 250 to 200 and your skin is hanging like crepe, that’s -BAD-. Go look it up, lazy mammal.

         I notice you still didn’t go look at the video, they’re talking about skeletal muscle wasting AND cardiac muscle wasting, the results of some new studies. That is extremely alarming, given the number of people taking the stuff.

         Also that the skeletal muscle wasting does not respond particularly well to muscle-building exercise while on the drug, or for a while after stopping it. When patients lose muscle mas even when they’re working out, that’s -bad-. Which I knew before, having looked into it a trifle. But you remain ignorant of this serious side effect, indicating to me you either didn’t look into it or you don’t care.

         Which is what makes me question your intent, given how militantly wrong you’ve been about a few other things since 2021. You see? So reasonable.

   2. Dude, you’re way off base on this one. I know a number of people who went through rapid weight loss after morbid obesity, either due to psychological factors or various forms of gastric bypass. All of them had to have skin resections due to the sheets of loose skin hanging off their bodies.

      You can lose about 1-2 lbs a week max and absorb the skin effectively. Any faster than that and you’ll get pouches and sheets. Any weight loss trainer will tell you this. Same thing with muscle wastage, if you don’t focus on building muscle it’ll go along with the fat.

      Ozempic has dangerous side effects of its own, but loose skin and muscle wastage are just what happens when you lose a lot of weight too quickly.

      1. Daniel, not you too?

         “I know a number of people who went through rapid weight loss after morbid obesity…”

         Yes, so do I, key words “rapid” and “morbid”. I was the one yelling “five more, four more, three more!” at them when they were exercising their knee replacement that they needed because they weighed 400+ and their knees resembled crushed ice on x-ray. Don’t get me started.

         If you watch the video they’re talking about people losing weight in the under-100lbs range, like 20-50lbs and having serious adverse side effects normally seen in -morbid- obesity. Hanging skin is -bad- if you only lost 20lbs. Muscle wasting is -bad- if you only lost 20lbs. Okay? Seriously.

         Did hear the part about cardiac muscle wasting? Go watch it again, it’ll make your hair stand up.