Delusions of Grandeur

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Daily sceptic- The Theatre of War

According to the Telegraph, this plan has been dismissed by senior military sources as “political theatre”, with one stating bluntly: “There’s no military sense in it.”

Another was more specific. “There are about 700,000 Russians in and around Ukraine and over a million Ukrainians under arms,” he noted, before asking, incredulously: “What is a 10,000-international force based in the west of the country over 400km from the frontline meant to do? What is the mission? What is its legitimacy? What are the rules of engagement? How it is commanded, supplied and housed? How long is it there for and why? No one knows.”

52 Replies to “Delusions of Grandeur”

  1. If nothing else changes it will be a party for those international forces, probably girls galore…

  2. This “plan” is actually a resulting hybrid of what Starmer originally wanted to set up. You may recall (with great fanfare) Starmer popping up in all the media outlets weeks ago with this little gem:

    The UK, France (and two countries to be named later) will provide peace keeping forces. BUT, we will only do so if the US serves as an “insurance policy” should their direct participation be required. This was shot down quickly and completely by the US. And, here’s why:

    Had the US agreed to this nonsense, I can guarantee that within weeks there would have been an escalation (more than likely involving civilians). The media and the EU would have played it to the hilt, and the event would have remarkably reflected the exact wording in the peace keeping agreement requiring the US to step in as that “insurance policy”. Weeks or maybe even days after the direct involvement of the US, some event would occur that caused severe loss of life of US forces, with the EU, UK and Ukraine hoping to seal the deal of US long term involvement and financing the process.

    Call me cynical if you like, but it’s not just the US intelligence community calling the shots. It’s the French and UK intelligence community joining in. They have absolutely no problem tossing away a few great unwashed lives to secure their goals. I’m elated that the current US administration didn’t take the bait.

    So, now the EU an the UK are stuck having to put up or shut up. Their tiny, ill suited and poorly equipped peace keeping force is nothing more than arbitrary. There’s likely a short term budget on those forces which will discretely be pulled when everyone is looking the other way.

    1. I’m just curious … how many ME Muslims and African Muslims are emigrating to Ukraine? Isn’t Ukraine a much closer nation to them than Britain? Has Zelenskyy w-e-l-c-o-m-e-d all those refugees into Ukraine and promised them welfare benefits … if they join his army and deploy to the wood chipper front lines?

      I hear there are millions upon millions of refugees dying (sorry) to get into Europe? Let em in! And let em fight that heteronormative Putin. Right?

      Keir Starmer needs to get his white rage in check.

      1. “…heteronormative Putin…”

        Russia may be the biggest cesspool, with the worst statistics on abortion, child phonography, divorce rates, family breakdown, spousal abuse, alcoholism and an explosion of Islam to boot, but if it attacks gay bars, then it suits morons like you. You’re blinded by your obsession with homosexuals.

          1. Indeed. I’m going to have to work it into a comment on something innocuous like accounting practices and see what happens.

          1. Well in russia homosexuality is thrown upon unless used as a form of military discipline or asserting dominance, then it is normal. Savage rules in savage culture.

      2. > Has Zelenskyy w-e-l-c-o-m-e-d all those refugees into Ukraine and promised them welfare benefits … if they join his army and deploy to the wood chipper front lines?

        No, but Putin did. Any foreigner joining the Russian military gets a quick path to citizenship. Nevertheless, schweinie-lovers continue blabbering about “orthodox Russia” and “muslim Britain / France / Europe”, nevermind that Russia already has a much greater muslim population, both relative and in absolute numbers, that any Western European country.

        1. Yeah.. diplomacy is stupid.. the orange guy should of thrown a few hundred more billion into big Z’s meat grinder, like his predecessor, and never even tried a different approach.. what a chump.. Maybe Z will get lucky, and Trump will finally cave, and give him what he really wants.. what he has been demanding, very publicly for 3 years now.. US troops on his front line, and a direct confrontation between the two largest nuclear powers on the planet.

          1. It is not diplomacy shortbus. Diplomacy is what orks are doing. What US is doing is amateur hour.

  3. Send Ukraine 10,000 blankets like Obama did. Come on ma’aaaaan …
    It will have the same effect. Perhaps Michelle Obama née Robinson can Tweet-out some weepy faces?

  4. A farce, not theater. The Russians have clearly stated that any foreign, “Peacekeepers”, will be treated as mercenaries. That is, not covered under the Geneva Conventions. Macron could send the Foreign Legion, I guess and the UK whatever forces they can muster. I’d assume Germany and Poland would join in.
    This is setting up a slaughter of your own side to, do what? Kick off WW III?
    That’s not going to end well for the EU and UK. Which, I assume, will be rejoining the EU at any time.

  5. If possible the Euro weenies have added more ammunition to Trump’s tariffs, for all of NATO can only field 2 poorly equipped divisions, and cannot supply or maintain them past a few weeks. The US can put 30 divisions into a foreign theater, and keep them there. That costs money, and Canada and the Eurofags have been delinquent for at least 30 years.

      1. I don’t know why I bother, but idiot, money is heading into German and French defense industries because the US told them they are done footing the military bill for the continent. Those defense companies are moving the indexes because they have gained so much. They are having a “mag 7” impact on the market. Sadly, in order to do this, no growth Germany is suspending it’s debt brake, meaning the last not horribly over leveraged country is about to collapse any future for the present.

  6. It’s not a plan, it’s not even an outline of a sorta plan…

    They just want to be seen “doing something” and it doesn’t really matter what.

    1. A war gives their populations something else to think about.
      Other than pi– poor governance.

  7. This reminds me of Afghanistan in the early 2000s when the Germans sent a token force as part of their NATO obligation, with their soldiers never leaving the confines of the base, lest they stub a toe. The great Mark Steyn at the time hilariously summed up their role as “manning the fax machine”.

    1. The War itself is Zelensky’s money printing machine. But that machine is manned by US Senators.

      1. No it isn’t. It’s entirely initiated and sustained by Putin. There’s no evidence Zelensky is getting rich (but he should be!).

        1. So … getting 600,000 Ukrainian’s killed … losing 1/3 of your country and losing a war in a bloody stalemate at best … is a pathway to wealth? So that’s what Marxists believe warrants wealth.

          1. Well no but way to burn that strawmen with a bunch of figures that are completely incorrect.

            Still more viable than tariffs though.

        2. NATO began encroaching. Nation after nation. They were warned. They didn’t listen b/c they want war and like you, bloodshed b/c you want revolution; they go together.

          Pretend to not know or pretend to be “S.M.R.T.” but either way, NATO, “our” side, is rife with warmongers and profiteers.

          Whatever moral high ground exists, it isn’t very high but it isn’t on “our” side of the terrain.

          1. “NATO began encroaching. Nation after nation. They were warned. ”

            REPEATEDLY, yes. Over and over again. The sheer arrogance is mind-boggling.

            “They didn’t listen b/c they want war and like you, bloodshed b/c you want revolution; they go together.”

            The money. It’s always about the money…

  8. Exactly as the Germans were doing during Rwanda. Manning the photocopiers back home.

  9. I’d prefer the Euros just nut up an army and crush Russia directly already. No better problem-solving than the destruction of the problem.

    1. surfur unDORK
      Ewe and Jessica are real entertainment with yer Putin derangement, Russia would crush the euro weenies, they can’t even keep up military supplies for the Ukes, at a slow rate of use.

    2. None in Europe has any interest in invading orks. That is a delusional take. Western Europe would like the problem to go away. Central Europe would like russia to go away.

    3. I spit out my drink! “nut up an army” Holy hilarious!

      I’d prefer to get a warning when reading one of your gems. But then again, I feel better having had a good laugh.

      No doubt you’ve been asked about doing stand up, right?

  10. Delusions of grandeur? Whose? Euro peacekeeping force was originally Trump’s idea. Or have everyone conveniently forgotten that?

  11. Meanwhile back in the real world:
    Anyone who believes that orks will not immediately proceed to undermine any ceasefire is a useless idiot. And yes you morns will immediately buy any ork excuse hook, line and sinker.
    Anyone who think orks actually want a ceasefire leading to peace is an even bigger idiot.
    Orks are using the negotiations as a stalling tactic hoping that they can cut civilized support for Ukraine and keep negotiating until they win on the battlefield.
    If orks genuinely wanted ceasefire that would mean that they see themselves as losing and see all other options as exhausted.
    in any case, any ceasefire would just be temporary until orks felt strong again to attack.
    You want peace? Kill the maximum number of orks. Then kill some more. Period. The end.

      1. Debatable. Europe can supplant a lot of what US was sending, but there are some assets that are hard to replace. The article mentions aircraft Ukraine got, none of which came from US, sure but most of ordnance they fire did came from US and for some systems there are no substitute. What are you for example going to replace AMRAAM with?

        The most critical is the volume of intel and targeting data. Companies like the magnificent Iceye (I bet most here never heard of them or understand the role they played) can fill the void only to an extent.

  12. When you are sitting on a stockpile of 5580 nuclear weapons you really don’t have to accept defeat .A concept that seems to elude so many armchair warriors.

    1. Vietnam and Afghanistan would like a word.
      Also you get to use those nukes once.

      1. Wow that’s quite the smack down. So you cite 2 of the most humiliating exits. Let’s try it again! The title of the posts is “delusions of grandeur”. Apparently you missed the implications. I for one am sick of sending mostly young men to be maimed and killed . If you think it’s such a good idea get to the front of the line. And being old and useless is no excuse.

        1. The lack of logic in your response makes it impossible to address the point you pretend to have, whatever that point might be.

          2. I am sure the dumber of among them will tune in to voices in your head quite easily. Oh look, here comes Freddie.

        2. “Wow that’s quite the smack down. So you cite 2 of the most humiliating exits. Let’s try it again! ”

          ‘Exits’ being completely different than ‘losses’, yes.

          In both of those case the US was fighting against enemies who would hit and run from *other countries*. Both conflicts were more properly described as police actions than wars, because in actual wars you pursue and destroy the enemy *wherever you find him*…you don’t stop at a border and allow him to escape to Pakistan or Laos. You don’t allow North Vietnam to organize armies from their own territory and send them south to hide in the jungle and ambush your troops…you wipe them out *where they are gathering*.

          The Americans could easily have DEPOPULATED every town and village that supported their enemies, using only conventional (if frowned upon) weaponry (like the Israelis could do in Gaza if they felt like it) but being a democratic western nation they have to abide by the wishes of the public, who have a definite distaste for genocide.

          “The title of the posts is “delusions of grandeur”.”

          And a great title it is….Francisco nailed it. President Trump knows full well that the European ‘peacekeepers’, without US help, would either stand by helplessly and watch the Ukrainians retreat or be slaughtered by the Russian army if they attempted to intervene…that’s exactly why he proposed it. Little Z *must go* now for there to be any chance of peace, and it is up to the Europeans to make that happen.

      2. Putin was not the belligerent in either of those campaigns.. Unlike Nixon or Biden, Putin may very well have burned both of those strawmen in nuclear fire though.. We don’t know.

        1. If Putin tried that he would have had an accident. Ork court always held self preservation as a top priority.

  13. “… he noted, before asking, incredulously: “What is a 10,000-international force based in the west of the country over 400km from the frontline meant to do? What is the mission? What is its legitimacy? What are the rules of engagement? How it is commanded, supplied and housed? How long is it there for and why? ”

    We should send Canadian peacekeepers then. We don’t give them any of that; and they’re used to having to beg food and rides from our ‘allies’…

    1. “We should send Canadian peacekeepers then. We don’t give them any of that; and they’re used to having to beg food and rides from our ‘allies’…”

      Let’s send them in with empty guns again, see how that works out…

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