Ron Butler lays it out for Canada in this podcast: “We’re f***ed!”.
“…you don’t have to move the assembly plant at all; you just have to work out how to produce the same cars in the United States. That’s a big tooling shift [that] could take a few months but in some cases they just may let the that brand run out. Like if we’re making nothing but…Lexus here maybe they just let that brand run low for a few months and then they [move] the tooling [to] Kentucky and away they go.”
The way I see this election playing out is as follows: whoever wins better hope they get a majority because they won’t want to face the voters anytime soon after they cave in to all, or nearly all, of Trump’s demands.
“you just have to work out how to produce the same cars in the United States”
LOL. Yeah so easy no problem. I’m sure the market crash yesterday was a hallucination.
There is no reason for anyone to cave to any of Trump’s demands. He is mutilating his already highly indebted dysfunctional government. No reason to do anything but stand back, watch, trade with others, and open the immigration floodgates.
Yup, I was waiting for the fat incel’s ignorance to surface, and voila, done!
Elbows up! Yes, open the immigration floodgates into Canada and shift all of our trade to the EU, which has exactly the same problems as Canada – that’ll fix things. I’m sure everything will be fine if we just ignore the fundamental issues facing us and blame Trump more.
The fundamental issue right now is Trump and the end of American economic prosperity which hasn’t been looking good for a quarter century now. And no, not just the EU: there’s the whole world to trade with! Particularly SEA and China.
3 trillion in investments so far, soon to hit 6-7 trillion.
“Cave”?
You make it sound like there is a choice.
Canada is and always will be an arrangement written up by bureaucrats to maintain a condition where the governed are perpetually wards of the state.
The recent proposed permutation of this arrangement our betters want is to gravitate to something called 15 minute cities.
This was once tried by an Austrian fellow that created a catchy slogan “work will set you free”. A few centuries prior there was this arrangement called feudalism where nobody owned anything. Everyone accepted it as “just the way it is” until some folks on the east coast of North America decided to let people be responsible for their own success or failure, the up side of which was putting strict limits on the government, down side being that you are responsible to pay for all the nice things you want.
But I digress.
The current crop of elites that like staying in charge of our “constitutional monarchy” are ok with change, but the change they have been working towards is getting rid of that constitutional part.
Trump came along and threw a wrench in that.
Enjoy the ride
““Cave”?
You make it sound like there is a choice.”
Because he so desperately wishes that there was one….but cold, hard reality always wins in the end. To deny this is idiocy.
Yeah … I agree this big fat slob is just a Trump fan boi or something.
Your P-MINO will soon announce FREE cars for EVERY Canadian of driving age! Every Canadian will get a FREE ev! The government will ensure ALL the Ontario auto plants keep working, the battery plants come out of bankruptcy, aluminum and steel continuously e-x-t-r-u-d-I-n-g out of factories! Win-win for Canada and Canadians!
Your P-MINO is a world BANKER!! He knows how to print money! So no worries! The Canadian industrial output is aboot to EXPLODE!!
The people that live in this place enjoy ignorance and poverty – Elbow’s Up!
The millionaires around here will take care of us with catchy slogans and two minutes of hate.
Now for Jessica to weigh in with it’s ignorance.
… “to cave” infers a choice.
He with no cards can neither fold, nor bluff,
is merely performing, and can only lose.
The Liberal Party of Canada has stacked the deck against Canadians,
in favour of the Chinks.
Canadians are fine with that,
so suck it up, but spare some anger
for the true traitors of Western Civilization.
The goal is to collapse Canada Ron. So no I don’t think there will be any meaningful capitulation. Maybe some thin veneer stuff to keep the sheeple asleep.
If Trump says things will work out just fine, it’s a tell that he is getting or was promised everything he wanted.
For liberals it means everything will be phrased with enough weasel words going forward to invoke plausible deniability on the eventual outcome from this day forward.
Please note that Trump has no interest in which party wins on April 28. His interest is getting what he said he wants.
One thing that can be read into this is that supply management is coming to an end.
That’s one, and there are likely others.
You can read whatever you want into this, that’s much of why Trump has the imbecile fans that he does.
Trump’s approvel through the roof, Dems and laftards in the toilet.
While you’re endearing yourselves by burning cars, Trump is bringin home the bacon.
3 trillion in investments so far, soon to hit 6-7 trillion.
The only imbeciles here are lying propagandists like you, UnMe.
“Cave in to Trump’s demands”, eh? What is he demanding exactly? For Canada to help secure the border from drug and human trafficking, for Canada to strengthen its military such that we can actually defend ourselves, and for Canada to end unfair trade paractices like supply management (like Bernier has been saying for years). Sounds like it would be a good thing for Canada to “cave in” to those “demands”.
No there’s nothing good about ‘securing the border’, which just means pouring money into a police state. In any event Trump and Lutnick made clear that those demands have nothing to do with any of this, they’re just morons who think trade bad jerbs good. Time to move on.
If I recall Trump has offered up an arrangement where we have an open border.
But in that arrangement Ottawa gets replaced with Washington DC.
Enjoy the ride
Thanks for proving my point. Not interested in joining a broke declining police state where people get nabbed off the street for activism that the state doesn’t like.
You already have that now in Canada
That is true about Canada, but rude to say out loud.
No we don’t.
“A broke declining police state where people get nabbed off the street for activism that the state doesn’t like.”
You must mean Canada. Not only nabbed off the street, but imprisoned and simply giving them some money (that they found out about illegally) was grounds to have your bank account frozen.
JMCC
When I was in China, I noticed that they have fewer surveillance camers than we do in kanukistan.
1) Who was nabbed off the street? When?
2) While there are legitimate concerns about the invocation of emergency powers, it does not appear accounts were frozen for simply donating, the account holders were directly involved in the forceful occupation: https://jennasuddsmp.ca/news/frozen-accounts
Oh, like your beloved Chicoms.
Once again, UnMe has proven me wrong…:
People were nabbed outta their homes, as well as off the street in Canada.
“People were nabbed outta their homes, as well as off the street in Canada.”
Citation needed. When and where?
Tamara Lich and others out of their homes.
Artur Pawloski arrested literally taken from his car on the street.
Now you may cry about how “that doesn’t count!”
Moron.
Hey unDORK
You also whined that HCQ was ineffective for SARS2, and now has been proven that you were are wrong. Did some one shut down yer learning curve?
Jessica is wrong 100% of the time, and you are wrong even more than that. Trump will re-invigorate the USA economy, and you will still whine that it is failing, just like you whined that tariffs would cause inflation the last time, and it didn’t. Stump stupid is reserved for those twice as smart as you.
No it wasn’t and the only thing Trump is reinvigorating is The Democrats and China’s global aspirations.
Har har!!!
UnMe: “Its all LIES! No-one is investing in the USA!!!” Believe me not you’re lying eyes!”
If you were any dumber you’d need a helmet and a cork on your fork.
Over 3 trillion invested in the USA so far, soon to hit 6-7 trillion.
The Dems are at their lowest polling and approval numbers ever.
As usual, you are so full of feces that you manage to stink up the internet.
3 Trill has not been invested, it’s ‘committed’ ie don’t hold your breath but by all means, bet the farm. Go for it.
Also the Dems for all their bad numbers keep racking it up in special elections one after next.
Har har!!!
“special elections” are like “special olympics.”
Dem approval in the toilet, Trump’s through the roof.
Cry harder.
‘Secure the border’ – no probs, set up a 24/7/365 drone coverage system with immediate response teams if/when necessary, (comprised of members of an expanded military).
Response to what? Walking around near the border?
Feel free to pay for this nonsense if you want.
There’s paying, and there’s PAYING – complying with ‘requests’ that are by no means unreasonable, in order to maintain a relative status quo, (while enhancing a military that has for far too long been one-horse, (decades ago I lived in the BC Gulf Islands and saw smaller naval vessels with barbeques set up on the sterns), might be somewhat better than doing nothing and standing, mouth agape, watching an economy go tits up…but, hey…..
The requests are indeed entirely unreasonable. There is no reason to ‘secure the border’.
When one realizes that neither the LPC nor the CPC have any interest whatsoever in helping the Canadian economy, and are focused exclusively on maintaining their bureaucratic stranglehold on us, all of their BS makes sense.
So.. You live next door to the largest economy in the world and you are going to find a better deal on the other side of the planet?.. Fact is, we don’t make anything anymore except tariff based jobs.. Even though we are rich (LOL) the world economy wants our resources.. Not our stuff..
Nothing special.. We sell food and resources that can be had anywhere.. The further away the deal.. The more other players are able to undercut with price, politics and tariffs.. Canada is like Africa in more ways than one..
We have no cards.. Only fewer and fewer friends.. Europe is not going to save us and neither is China.. When deal time comes they will pay bottom dollar with the highest overhead, that we will cover..
We used to have a very bright workforce, building and designing great aerospace products, hi-fi audio, nuclear reactors, and so on. Our governance, be it lib or con, put an end to that.
With all of our expertise and resources, we could’ve been richer than Norway, but, as you so eloquently put it, we are now more like some African countries.
First, China’s economy is bigger by PPP or close enough. In any event the US is set for decline. Second your statement about what Canada produces is just wrong. Aluminum for one thing: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/colby-cosh-trumps-aluminum-tariffs-are-already-a-failure
Everything you ‘know’ is wrong.
Over a trillion invested in the USA since Trump started implementing his policies.
A trillion and counting.
I’ve asked for your source and you have yet to provide.
List of Companies Pledging to Invest Billions in US Since Donald Trump Win:
https://www.newsweek.com/business-trump-biden-investments-manufacturing-recession-2048775
Investment commitments in U.S. nears $3 trillion since Trump took office:
https://www.investing.com/news/politics-news/investment-commitments-in-us-nears-3-trillion-since-trump-took-office-3945050
You’re right, I was wrong. its three trillion, and counting. I was working on 2 week old numbers.
List of Companies Pledging to Invest Billions in US Since Donald Trump Win:
https://www.newsweek.com/business-trump-biden-investments-manufacturing-recession-2048775
Investment commitments in U.S. nears $3 trillion since Trump took office:
https://www.investing.com/news/politics-news/investment-commitments-in-us-nears-3-trillion-since-trump-took-office-3945050
Soon to hit 6-7 trillion.
List of Companies Pledging to Invest Billions in US Since Donald Trump Win:
https://www.newsweek.com/business-trump-biden-investments-manufacturing-recession-2048775
Investment commitments in U.S. nears $3 trillion since Trump took office:
https://www.investing.com/news/politics-news/investment-commitments-in-us-nears-3-trillion-since-trump-took-office-3945050
You’re right, I was wrong. its three trillion, and counting, soon to hit 6-7 trillion. I was working on 2 week old numbers.
You sure showed me.
It’s hype.
Take some more copium and cry more, pussywillow.
I have nothing to cope over. I asked for proof of a claim and you provided no such proof, just a demonstration of your inability to engage in reading comprehension.
3 trillion and counting, expected to hit 6-7 trillion very soon.
Here’s something to Cope over:
https://youtu.be/nSiA4Hm7gPc?si=6CSDw3dqieqLM7L9
Some great comments here from the common sense readers and from the supposedly ‘educated’ wunder kids (wink, wink, nod, nod, you all know of whom I refer), as to the feat of moving a manufacturing plant and production of automobiles let me remind all of the prognosticators that American industry ramped up war production in a matter of months after 1941. The Willow Run factory was built from scratch in a matter of seven months. Other Ford factories switched from domestic production to military production in a matter of weeks. There is a thing called American ingenuity and know-how that has been copied throughout the world but has never been replaced.
…and US economic growth did not resume until WW2 was over and done.
Thank you for that comment. It was timely. And, if certain regulations are relaxed it goes off even more expediently, more cheaply, and at greater scale.
Oh, and this is for the poster who is arguing that there is no foreign investment in the U.S. since President Trump took office:
https://www.streetinsider.com/Investing/Investment+commitments+in+U.S.+nears+%243+trillion+since+Trump+took+office/24538801.html
Your most welcome.
Ah, so ‘investment commitments’, or as I like to call it, ‘hype’. How’s that 401k doing?
Har har!
UnMe ODs on copium as normal folk laugh.
Normal folk are tards who don’t know what copium is and are getting their 401k’s pummeled because they’re exposed to Trump’s America.
3 trillion and counting.
Expected to hit 6-7 very soon.
My 401K is fine, and I don’t rely on it anyway.
You should be very careful though; if you don’t up your game the Chinese might let you go — they’re on the verge of a prolonged recession.
And with their economy and the EU’s economy not looking very healthy in the near and quite possibly long term…Canada’s new besties will want to buy your resources very, very cheaply…not exactly good for Canadian bank accounts I should think.
Have a nice day; take care!
Speaking of ww2, that was the last time US manufacturing was this large, even after adjusting for inflation.
Us manufacturing on its own would be the worlds 8 largest economy.
The downside? Carney may double down and go full commie fulfilling the wet dreams of his Davos friends.
We may be paying workers through our tax dollars to build cars in Oshawa.
I’d rather not become part of the USA, but if Canada’s future is toast, and that happens, here’s how I think it will end:
Alberta, Saskatchewan offered statehood;
BC will be split, the north and interior annexed to Alberta; the remainder (lower mainland and the islands) would be annexed to Washington State, after the FBI and other US law enforcement has cleared out Chinese cartels and other international criminal elements;
Ontario would be split: Toronto, and territory south and west of it offered statehood (or further split to be annexed to New York and Michigan);
The remainder of the provinces and the territories would become possessions of the US, with status equivalent to that of Puerto Rico, Guam and US Virgin Islands.
Quebec would also be split up, official bilingualism would be forbidden, with American-English becoming the language of the land.
Literally none of this is happening.
Oh, like Canada becoming to the PRC what the GDR was to the USSR.
RMGK,here is a better idea.
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Alberta joins up with Saskatchewan, and part of Manitoba, AND Northern Ontario ,and part of British Columbia to the Pacific Ocean and become a new sovereign country.
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This new country on the North American continent would become the richest country on planet Earth!!!!
Of course we would have to eradicate and outlaw all left-wing groups and political parties like the Liberal Party and the NDP.
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Not one person from outside these provinces would be allowed to set foot in the new country unless they can prove that they have never voted liberal or democrat or NDP or green party , or communist in their lifetimes. We would no longer tolerate any politicians or political groups or activists or any people in general that are to the left of center. We would put into a new constitution free speech, private property rights and the right of firearms ownership by non-criminals. If we did that we would have truly one of the richest countries in the world where nobody in the entire new country would ever want for anything.
Mr G – You’ve actually stated my preference, if what we have ends.
Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal swelling up blue states and voting in US federal elections? Ewwww.. no thank you. Let’s just keep it.. platonic..
psssst! Western Canada.. Call us.. lets talk.
UAE – $1.4 trillion
Saudi Arabia – $600 billion
Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) – $500 billion
NVIDIA – $100 billion
Softbank/OpenAi/Oracle (as part of Stargate) – $100 billion
Taiwan Semiconductor – $100 billion
Johnson & Johnson – $55 billion
Eli Lilly (NYSE:LLY) – $27 billion
CMA CGM Group – $20 billion
Merck (NYSE:MRK) – $1 billion
GE Aerospace – $1 billion
Honda retooling in Indiana and Ohio – $1 billion +
Toyota new battery plant in North Carolina – $14 billion (opening next month)
Hyundai announced $21 billion over the next 4 years, including a steel plant to supply their factories
If the auto manufacturers need to move production to the USA to avoid tariffs, that’ll be done by autumn
A hundred million here, a hundred million there, pretty soon you’re talking real money…
https://www.industryselect.com/blog/new-us-factories-unveiled-in-january-2025
$trillions of new US investment? Is there any reason to believe that the US already doesn’t have a shitload of excess capacity. They aren’t going to export anything because they just raised their prices way over the competition who will also have tariffs. Canada should talk to the auto manufacturers to create an autopact with Mexico to keep car production going in Canada and Mexico with minimum parts sourced in the US.
And where are you going to sell said vehicles? Or even said vehicle parts?
Nobody in the rest of the world is going to be buying American Fords and Chevies because they will be tariffed. Maybe they will buy Canadian or Mexican made Fords and Chevies.
Scar pretending he won’t get the next iPhone because OrangeManBad!
Why would Mexico do that? The Canadian market is too small.
Mexico would be smarter to go it alone in auto.
” Canada should talk to the auto manufacturers to create an autopact with Mexico to keep car production going in Canada and Mexico with minimum parts sourced in the US.”
What cars? Is Canada now going to design and build their very own cars from scratch? Because we won’t be manufacturing Fords and GMs here without American approval (obviously). Detroit would love to see Canadian car manufacturing cease completely, because it means more business (and jobs) for them.
If the system is indeed deeply corrupt something is either done about it , or not .
That’s the issue. And either way there is going to be a price to pay.
It’s either the same old same old kept that way no matter what’s happens, by any means possible, or the country takes the harder route and deals with it.
I’m thinking it will be the same old same old, just called something new and progressive.
Canada just isn’t ready to bring the crony capitalists and the spineless wonders to task.
Who knew the new normal would just be one illusion of stability after the other, and some politicians along with the elite bank on it.
I don’t know if they can afford letting provinces leave. Not even the CBC will be able to prevent heads from turning. What’s a country going to be like full of people of all stripes new to dealing with real misery, brought on by corruption, lack of insight, and social engineering designed to dull the real virtue of being human and life’s personal struggles until they no longer seem to matter to a large segment of a countries population.
When all though history those that overcame hardship knew it was always part of life.
I don’t know if the countries done , but the “smooth” sailing sure seems about to be a distant memory.
I think getting rid of the reams of red tape that is currently strangling the Canadian economy wouldn’t be very hard on Canadians, of course the bureaucratic overlords might find it hard to release their stranglehold un us.
Does anybody else here think that Unme is actually Nenshi?