85 Replies to “Down The Primrose Path”

  1. Well that’s what he says. And I believe him. The NATO Secretary-General was pretty clear towards Putin’s concerns: Fuck off, Ukraine can decide to join NATO and you have no say over it. It remember thinking this was the most dangerous thing that was said politically this side of WW2. And there you have it. It’s almost like somebody wanted this war and installed Zelensky and screwed with Russia. Jake Sullivan worked at the State Dept at some point too: Deputy Chief of staff for Hillary. He has his dirty little fingers in a lot of pies.

    1. “I think Jeffery Sachs is telling the truth.”

      He is on record many times over the last decade or so saying the same thing, and about how the Americans under Clinton and Obama were determined to start a war with Russia. I can’t stand him (he’s both an anti-Semite and a blatant shill for China), but he’s not wrong on this.

      1. Sachs is Jewish. He just happens to acknowledge reality, as most Jewish Israelis do but far too many Jewish Americans don’t.

        If you’re looking for self-hating Hellenist Jews who pose an existential threat to their home countries—not to say the civilized world—may I introduce you to Vladimir Aleksadrovich Zelensky, dictator of the Ukraine, whose only enduring legacy may well be the final undoing of Jewish civilization in the Ukraine, an achievement that was beyond even Hitler and Stalin . The war induced most of the last of the Ukraine’s Jews to flee to Israel. Few are likely to return.

        In private life Vladimir Aleksadrovich kept properties in Israel, I hear, just in case he needed to leave the Ukraine one step ahead of what passes for criminal justice there. I suspect the real reason he stayed in Kiev was that the Israelis refused to give him asylum, desiring, wisely, not to interfere in the reunification of Russia.

        2. “Sachs is Jewish. He just happens to acknowledge reality, as most Jewish Israelis do but far too many Jewish Americans don’t. ”

          He thinks Israel controls the western world, and that all their actions are taken to benefit Israel. That’s hardly reality.

          1. Well, in reality, the Jewish nation is integrated into the global world, and remains a conscious organized nation with a clear sense of its own interests. So there’s a basis in reality for his position. Whether his position is a realistic or responsible reaction to the reality is another matter, and here I’m with you on this.

  3. The only western border of Russia that corresponds to geographic reality in the year 2025 of the Christian Era is Europe’s Atlantic coast. Russia needs to be acknowledged as the rightful queen of Europe, and the sooner the better.

    Realistically, the only alternative is allowing western Europe to fall into Islamic hands. The US has nothing to gain from opposing Russian hegemony in Europe, and everything to lose.

    1. By all means, keep putting off your scheduled visit to a psychiatrist, otherwise you may lose your desperate hope of the hegemony of 120 million human-fancying pigs over 400 million humans, nevermind that those same 120 million human-fancying pigs abjectly failed to enforce any hegemony over 40 million of their neighbours.

      1. Islamic Caliphate in Western Europe it is then. And this time (unlike 1814, 1914, and 1945) Russian soldiers are not going to give two shits what happens to Europe. The Iron Curtain will return, and Western Europe can enjoy turning into Libya, Afghanistan and Syria.

        2. In reality, Ruϟϟischeschweinen Peditation has much greater Muslim population, both relative and in absolute numbers, than any Western European country. But never let reality get in your way.

  4. Jeffery Sachs… why ever listen to him? He’s a professional and paid liar. Too greasy.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the supposed conversation he describes was completely different from what he says now. But it isn’t surprising to see him get involved in whatever corruption has been adjacent to NATO or Ukraine.
    And as much as I hate war, I hope the PRC gets their ass disconnected and handed back to them. Along with their friends like Sachs. Hopefully it won’t cost so much or drag on for a long time.

  5. Everything Sachs said in 2024 is consistent with all the background info I’ve seen about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. I have no reason to believe that Sachs would be lying. His story has not changed over the last year.
    It was a war that should have never happened. How many neocons, and forever-wars people got rich over the death of over a half-million (maybe even more than a million — on both sides) people? These monsters should be sent to the gallows.

    Are you listening, Dick Cheney?

  6. Apparently, most dwellers of this sanctuary will consider the door of a public toilet a reliable source if what’s written on it fits their narrative.

    1. That they will.
      The decline of this once top Canadian blog is truly amazing. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Except that train is full of deranged monkeys on meth.

      1. Not content with insulting much more intelligent commenters on an individual basis you’ve now turned your sputtergun against the whole SDA community. Typical cry-to-mama loser behavior.

          1. Loser, even when you hone in on a target you can’t even come up with an original comeback.

            Your feeble insults just underscore your low intellect.

      2. Well, as Monty Python said, always look on the bright side of life: if you ever feel like ridiculing schweinie-lovers, there’s no better place than here. And they’re right-wing schweinie-lovers, too, which is a kind particularly easy to ridicule due to their obvious self-contradiction. They claim to hate communism and that the USSR was bad while the Ruϟϟischeschweinen Pediration is great and at the same time they adore the Soviet Communist Party member Pootin and use only the Soviet achievement to back up their claims of Ruϟϟischeschweinen “greatness” (because there’s nothing else to use, as the decaded of Pootin’s kleptocracy haven’t produced anything notable; in fact they haven’t produced anything at all, apart from a multitude of more than semi-fake “analogovnets”, most of which completely discredited themselves in the Russo-Ukrainian war).

        1. Tell us Snerfer just who at SDA is a schweinie lover, who has said the Russian Federation is great, and who here adores Putin. Show your work please.

        1. Relax, I am barely around anymore. Haven’t even bothered interrupting the last few slobbering Pootin lovefests and celebrations of genocide.

    2. Show me where Sachs is lying.
      For God’s sake, please read what I’m writing.
      I said Sach’s account fits with everything I’ve seen reported up to now. This isn’t my account. This is what the consensus appears to be saying, and so I’ve said I have no reason to believe he is lying. If he is, show me where he’s lying. His story hasn’t changed in over a year.
      Does anyone think that the war was absolutely necessary? …that so many people had to die for a war that served no one’s interest except for the people that got rich over it? Please show me your reasoning. I’m willing to listen.

      1. No, I don’t think the war was necessary. I do, however, think that blaming someone else (not Russia) for Russian landgrabs at the expense of Ukraine is asinine at best.

        1. Most of us are so familiar with the impotence of redlines drawn by self-important Western liberal governments that we are not surprised when those same childish and pouting governments cease even drawing redlines.

        2. How many books and movies have they done about JFK bringing the world to the brink of destruction by standing up to the USSR during the Cuban Missile Crisis, yet people cannot admit what a provocation that implying NATO would expand to Ukraine was and is?

        3. You are starting late in the game (Russian landgrabs). America picked a fight with Russia in Ukraine. The result was a Russian land grab. It’s OK if you don’t get that. We’re here to help.

          Bonus tidbit. Why did America pick a fight with Russia in Ukraine? It’s a two-part answer. First, some people in the US (much like you) just hate the Russians. They just can’t leave them alone. Others see an opportunity to make money. The deep state war machine is there for a reason. Many of us here like the FAFO model. It doesn’t mean we love Russians. It means we like it when people get slapped in the face for doing something wrong. It’s a form of Karma reset.

          Zelenskyy is making some bold and aggressive demands (yes, the guy whose country is slowly being reduced to rubble). Unfortunately he is backed by Europe and the UK. I say unfortunately because they are useless without the US. And America has had enough and Trump is ending it.

          1. > America picked a fight with Russia in Ukraine
            How, when and according to whom?

            By the way, I don’t hate the Russians, I just despise them (contempt ≠ hatred) because they are a) completely worthless and b) annoying to all civilised world and harmful to their weaker neighbours. I absolutely don’t care what happens to them as long as they are confined to their pig-sty (the biggest pig-sty in the world).

          2. Hey Snurfer, history didn’t start in 2022, but every Uke Nazi apologist seems to have severe amnesia regarding the previous 20 years.
            Ukraine had another choice, in April of 22 to stop this, with a peace treaty. Looked optimistic for all until Clown BoJo showed up in Kiev and scuttled the deal.
            Now, that looks like a horrible decision, doesn’t it? Well over a million dead, millions of former citizens spread around the world, the country’s infrastructure in shambles.
            Looks like a Very Stupid Decision, FAFO defined.
            Doesn’t make me a Putin lover, but the Neocon BS is pure unadultered garbage and holds no weight, based on fantasy and hyperbole.
            Here’s Dan Crenshaw beclowning himself as the fool he is, with Greenwald spelling it out concisely for all the partisans still hi on coke waiting for the magical weapons to arrive.

            https://youtu.be/ZhZ6YoLFb7w?si=qy61Kv979HsnEqaS

            Like Kate said, you know where the door is.

          3. >all until Clown BoJo showed up in Kiev and scuttled the deal
            >Doesn’t make me a Putin lover
            Yes it does, because you keep repeating that ridiculous narrative, which comes straight from his propaganda machine.

          4. Snerfer, good luck claiming this is part of Putin’s propanda machine:

            https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/what-killed-the-peace-talks-in-ukraine/

            From the above:

            Oleksiy Arestovych, the former Advisor to the Office of the President of Ukraine, was a member of the Ukrainian negotiating team in Istanbul. He says that the talks in Istanbul were successful and could have worked. He says that the Istanbul agreement was 90% prepared and that what remained was “the question of the amount of Ukrainian armed forces in peacetime.”

          5. You’re right, though, about history not starting in 2022, but you should tell it to “Steve from Rockwood”, not me (hint: the first landgrab of the Russo-Ukrainian war was Crimea in 2014).

          6. I don’t know where that article comes from, but I can’t see where it says Johnson scuttled the peace deal.

            The article states “Boris Johnson, “disinclined toward diplomacy,” told Zelensky that “any deal with Putin…would be some victory for him: if you give him anything, he’ll just keep it, bank it, and then prepare for his next assault””. Well, guess what – truer words were never spoken and Ukrainians didn’t need Boris Johnson to tell them that.

            It’s been stated in multiple sources that the deal was stillborn due to the Russian demands of Ukraine disarmament coupled with their attempts to style themselves as guarantors of Ukrainian sovereignty. As this source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/wsj-analyses-putins-demands-peace-112325252.html says, “Russia wanted all guarantor states to agree on a response, meaning a unified response was unlikely if Russia itself was the aggressor”. Obviously, nobody in his right mind would want guarantees that guarantee nothing.

            For some reason, your article doesn’t mention that point.

          7. Surfer: With all due respect, it’s been well documented that BoJo scuttled a potential peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. Lupus provided only one of the many sources that anyone can find with minimal effort. I myself scored dozens of hits when I researched the subject recently.
            For some reason, Europe wanted this war. One can only speculate about the motive. Some say it was an opportunity to destroy Russian leadership. Others say that the oligarchs, and the neocons saw an opportunity to get rich by keeping the war going for as long as it takes.
            I can’t address the motive. I don’t have enough information on that regard, but I do have enough to convince me that this war did not have to be waged. It was completely avoidable.
            Did Russia have the moral authority to invade? I say no.
            However did Ukraine, NATO, and Europe provoke Russia to invading? I’d say that there’s mounting evidence to support that claim.

          8. > it’s been well documented that BoJo scuttled a potential peace deal between Ukraine and Russia
            Yet another victim of Ruϟϟischeschweinen Propaganden. For starters, you imbue BoJo with a lot more power than he actually had.

          9. A huge chunk of the London press was and remains obsessed with Boris Johnson, with the result that there’s a whole constituency out there who just assume that Boris is evil and is to blame to for everything. As we’ve just seen proven, England has no independent power in Europe and no resources. She was never going to help Ukraine. Only the Americans could do that. Boris was nothing more than a messenger.

    3. Door on public toilet says “Men”
      Goes in to do a #1
      Finds appropriate urinal
      Obtains relief.
      Door as a reliable source: Confirmed.

    1. “For those interested, here’s a recent interview with Sachs: https://rumble.com/v6mzhqi-europe-doubles-down-on-ukraine-war-w-jeffrey-sachs-live.html”

      I watched as much of that interview as I could stand. Got past the ridiculous ‘Palestinian state’ stuff that Sachs is well known for (has he ever actually met one of them?), but choked when he started shilling for China again. He definitely loves the sound of his own voice, and has an ego that puts Trump’s to shame.

  8. It would be wise for people to remember just who Jeffery Sachs is before considering him some sort of prophet/truth teller/’our guy’. And of course, he has to keep working to get his speaking fees; those are very important. Person’s gotta eat.
    Cui bono?

    As for Ukraine…a stupid war that didn’t have to happen, much blame to go around (all sides), but it certainly lined some bank accounts. The people (all sides) suffer though.

  9. Anyone who thinks that Putin was motivated by restraining NATO’s borders is a retarded asshole. Putin is motivated by restoring the Russian Empire. NATO is the bullshit excuse. Having Ukraine fight Putin is the cheapest war the US will ever fight compared to the trillions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq. At least the Ukrainians want to win. Let them.

    2. They never, ever had the ability to win, without western intervention in an ethnic war. Boris Johnson, specifically, has a lot of blood on his hands for convincing them not to enter peace talks. Without going into right or wrong, anyone who thinks Ukraine on its own could take on Russia head-to-head and come out on top is straight-up delusional. In the same vein as Canada vs USA, but we wouldn’t last as long, especially as we definitely don’t have “a gun behind every blade of grass.”

      1. The Boris Johnson narrative is another fake news narrative concocted by the Russians.

        Congratulations on being a sucker.

        1. Splitting hairs as usual Allah. Disinformation is your game.

          There were peace negotiations at the time.
          Yes, Bojo flew to Kiev to “talk” to the Penis Piano Playing Cokehead.
          And negotiations broke off.
          The Uke Nazis got FAFO’d.

          Happy now?

        2. Allan. I replied to a comment (not sure if it was yours) who dismissed the BoJo claim, and I believe I produced a source from a left-leaning publication.
          You’re going to have to support your claim with a RELIABLE source, otherwise, you’d be the one that propagating a fake narrative.

    3. ” Putin is motivated by restoring the Russian Empire. NATO is the bullshit excuse.”

      Right. He can’t take Ukraine in two years of trying, but he’s going to take back all those former USSR satellites?

      ” Having Ukraine fight Putin is the cheapest war the US will ever fight compared to the trillions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

      Yes, so say all those aforementioned neo-con warmongers.

      ” At least the Ukrainians want to win. Let them.”

      LOL…in what alternate reality could the Ukrainians possibly ‘win’ this?

      Here, educate yourself a little:

      https://www.amazon.ca/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376/

      Okay, 690 pages might be a little too much for your attention span. Try this one, then:

      https://www.amazon.ca/War-Ukraine-Making-Senseless-Conflict/dp/1682193713/

      Only 198 pages…you can handle that, right?

      2. > Right. He can’t take Ukraine in two years of trying, but he’s going to take back all those former USSR satellites?
        So you’re stupid enough to think it’s mutually exclusive? The Russians are notorious for comically overestimating their abilities (and they are still capable of causing a lot of harm to their weaker neighbours).

        1. “> Right. He can’t take Ukraine in two years of trying, but he’s going to take back all those former USSR satellites?
          So you’re stupid enough to think it’s mutually exclusive? ”

          No, I’m smart enough to know that he would have started off with less ambitious targets if he had any such intentions (which he does not).

          “The Russians are notorious for comically overestimating their abilities”

          Yes, they are known to begin wars with ineffective tactics and strategies (always trying to re-fight the last war, as they say). They are also well known for quickly adapting to the new realities and coming back with a vengeance (ask Ukraine about that).

          ” (and they are still capable of causing a lot of harm to their weaker neighbours).”

          Sure, IF they wanted to (which they don’t). So what? Reality just doesn’t care about your fantasies.

          1. So you’re claiming that the Russians don’t want to cause any harm to their neighbours, which means that according to you all those ruined settlements, killed civilians (in many cases murdered, e. g. in Bucha) were no harm at all. That’s yet another time you display Kahane Tzedek level of fvcked-up and I’m not here to be you psychiatrist, sorry. The fact that I caused you to write things so obviously absurd is perfectly enough for me.

    4. Scar, you spew neocon BS, only NATO has said such nonsense. It’s just typical Talking Points™️
      Try fact checking, Putin has never said that. And, because of what the Ukraine smack down is about, he knows about NATO, its rules, and Article 5.
      You may think he’s crazy, but he is not a stupid man.

  10. Sorry, I don’t buy it.

    The simple fact is that Putin’s Russia started this all – and has invaded Ukraine twice now, despite promising to respect Ukraine’s borders in perpetuity. Putin has written about the dissolution of the Soviet Union several times, calling it Russia’s greatest tragedy; and his eminence grise, Aleksandr Dugin, declared that all Eurasia should be Russia’s “from Dublin to Vladivostok”. I’m satisfied that Russia’s railing about NATO is a false flag – maskirovka, tovarishch! – and the whole point of Putin’s invading Ukraine was a simple land-and-people grab, with NATO having nothing to do with it. Jeffery Sachs may be telling the truth, but that doesn’t mean it would’ve had anything to do with the present outcome – that was Putin’s decision alone.

    I mean, why would Russia demand THIS? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-demanded-us-nato-withdraw-forces-eastern-europe-riyadh-talks And why would anybody in the West agree to it?

    1. “Oh, we’re so TERRIFIED of NATO – so we had to grab Abkhaziya and Ossetia from Georgia, and Transnistria from Moldova, just to make ourselves feel better. And all those dead Ukrainians in Bucha? We told you, they were already there when we got there – and your surveillance satellites that say otherwise are LYING!!!”

      Do not trust Russia – Russia is asshole.

      1. Right, because to “protect democracy”, you have to cancel elections, close churches, imprison your political opposition and shut down all oppo media, including killing an American independent journalist because he was reporting independent Truth.

        No it’s not Trudeau, but close.

        Who is the dictator and asshole? The Uke Nazi apologists are sure good at cherry picking some facts and ignoring inconvenient truths, puts you in the Al Gore category.

        1. No, it’s not Trudeau, not even close. Zelensky’s popularity with Ukrainians is about on-par with Trump’s in the ‘States at the moment – https://thehill.com/policy/international/5153509-trump-attacks-ukrainian-president-zelensky-approval/ – so, what do the Ukrainians know about this that you don’t?

          And, “Inconvenient truths”, Dan? You mean, like Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, the Donets Basin, Crimea? The dead Ukrainians in the street in Bucha, the 100,000+ kidnapped Ukrainian children? Anna Politkovskaya, Aleksandr Litvinenko, Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Boris Nemtsov, Aleksandr Dugin’s daughter? All the Putin critics who’ve fallen out of sixth-floor windows?

          Putin can say whatever he likes about NATO, but actions speak louder than words. Sorry – not buying it.

          1. Martial law, no elections, took over all of the media, killed journalists, closed down churches, but left the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology alone.
            LOL!

          2. ” Zelensky’s popularity with Ukrainians is about on-par with Trump’s in the ‘States at the moment – https://thehill.com/policy/international/5153509-trump-attacks-ukrainian-president-zelensky-approval/ – so, what do the Ukrainians know about this that you don’t?”

            [About 57 percent of Ukrainians trust the country’s president, according to a Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) survey that was released Wednesday, while 37 percent don’t.]

            And you believe them, do you? Even given Ukraine’s well-documented history of corruption?
            Okay, then…

          3. “And you believe them, do you?”

            Ah – you believe NBC instead. Well, that explains a great deal…

          4. “Putin can say whatever he likes about NATO, but actions speak louder than words. Sorry – not buying it.”

            The clear problem with that is that you don’t need to listen to what Putin says…you should be listening to the very smart people who just so happen to be saying the exact same thing. NATO was used by Neo-con globalists and warmongers to start this war for political and financial gain. They started doing so *30 years* ago, and have left plenty of evidence of their actions. Look it up.

          5. ““And you believe them, do you?”

            Ah – you believe NBC instead. Well, that explains a great deal…”

            NBC? You are hopelessly confused: NBC pushes exactly the same narrative that you just got from the Ukrainians, so why the hell would I ever listen to them? Are you going to accuse me of being a CNN fan as well? A regular watcher of The View, maybe?

        2. A particularly good example of just how deranged you are is “killing an American independent journalist because he was reporting independent Truth”. Obviously, said about Gonzalo Lira, who gleefully ridiculed and verbally abused everyone who suggested the Russians would invade and when they did invade switched to finding excuses why they had to. Apparently, that’s your idea of “independent Truth” – the one that changes according to what’s most convenient to say at any particular moment.

          2. Are you so hung up on that because you never had a job, being a deranged alcoholic admirer of human-fancying pigs?

          3. No, its just that I never saw a poster with claimed expertise on public toilets before. One would have thought that you’d keep that kinda thing to yourself.
            Takes all kinds, I guess.

  12. There are those who believe that Putin, in a fit of pique at discovering he was out of babies to eat, decided to invade the Ukraine. That is their narrative, and arguing with those fools is like trying to shear a pig.

    1. Russophobia rots the mind. And as Zhukov said of Europe: “We saved them from the Nazis and they will always hate us for it.”

      1. Your own mind was clearly rotten by russophilia (a sexual pervertion of the same level a zoophilia, pedophilia and necrophilia).

      2. Oh, and the best thing Ruϟϟische Schweine can do to anybody is to save them from themselves (meaning from Ruϟϟische Schweine), that could actually make them loved, not hated, but sadly they never do that.

  15. Russia has been disingenuous since 2014 and even before that, now all of a sudden we are supposed to believe them?

    “We aren’t in Crimea” whoops, yes we are

    “We don’t have control of the Donbas rebels” yet after Zelensky took office he had a phone call with Putin and activity all along the front plummeted. Civilian deaths in Donbas plummeted to 25/year in 2021 and 2022. Most of those were due to Russian mines and UXO.

    1. Crimea was not Kruschev’s to give. Also International Law and the UN determined the borders of nations as at the end of WW2. The good people of Odessa, Kiev and the Donbas voted to end the formal Soviet Union. Not to break up the country, i.e. find themselves foreigners overnight, with close family cut off in Russia. The breakup of the Soviet Union was always going to be a contentious affair, as many wishes to keep the country together but change the system. Your own Canauckisran Supreme Court took note of these kinds of issues by forcing a clesr referendum on a clear question.

      You f**ktards pretending that Ukraine has been a nation since the time of Moses, when in reality it was always a shaky, contentious jurisdiction, is a big part of the problem.

      Like Northern Ireland, there was never going to be an easy answer to the problem of ethnic Russians cut off in Borderland. You and your NATO trannies made a bad situation a fuck of a lot worse and now hundreds of thousands are dead and Western Europe is deindustrialising and Islamising fast.

      Hope it was worth it, scum.

    2. “Russia has been disingenuous since 2014 and even before that, now all of a sudden we are supposed to believe them?”

      No, we are supposed to believe all the *other sources* that say the same things. Try to keep up.

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