Suicide Nation

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It’s official. Stephen Harper has completely lost his mind. What’s worse is that his prescription for the deliberate impoverishment of Canada is being uncritically accepted by large numbers of Canadians. Would 50% unemployment and food riots be an acceptable “level of damage”? I, for one, don’t want to find out.

The snippet is from a recent Toronto Star article that is still behind a paywall.

Added by Kate, a paywall bypass.

133 Replies to “Suicide Nation”

  1. Out of touch does not begin to describe him.
    Or he has completely gone over to the globalist side.

    1. Ward
      When some one believes the would was invented 4500 years ago………
      You have to be certifiably nutz, as most bible pounders are.

      1. As opposed to those who swallow the moronic, easily-disprovable junk science of evolution.

        Those people are just special.

        1. Are you talking about the evolution we see in the phylogenetic tree or the theory of evolution that explains what we see?

          2. I am referring to the circular logic “science” of evolution. The field of “science” dominated by fraud and a complete lack of the use of the scientific method.

          3. I am so, so, happy that my ancestral newts started spontaneously mutating … and then via billions of years of heterosexual reproduction ended up producing ME! It’s a miracle that makes those silly miracles of Jesus pale by comparison.

            I DO feel sorry for all the newts left behind.

            /utter sarc.

      2. The “would” GYM?
        I don’t normally criticize people for typos, but you are such an exceptional exception…

        But let’s not forget… it’s we, “the bible pounders” that are “nutz!”

        Whimp!

      3. There is a small subset of fundamentalist Protestants who believe that. It is not a doctrine of the Catholic, Orthodox or mainline Protestant churches. In other words more than 99% of Christians do not believe that.

    2. First , we don’t know the total context of Harper’s interview.
      The Star is not below editing the discussion , but If those statements from Harper are true , then you can read his intention in two ways …

      1) He is a dedicated globalist. That is something I have always wondered about given some of the policies he pursued when he was in office.
      2) He is merely stating that if Trump is attempting to destroy Canada , the only option is to create other trading partners , but that is nearly impossible given Canada’s trade with the US is 80-90% . The only other option would be to join BRICS , which the US would see in the same light as Russia sees Ukraine joining NATO , and the US probably would forcibly take over Canada.

      2. There’s enough context to reach a conclusion. I agree, Harper has lost his mind and showing his true colours, he’s a globalist shill.
        We are watching the self-inflicted destruction of Canada, because our elites are compromised by the CCP, and are more afraid of the CCP than Trump. Our leaders are cowards, serving foreign masters. Nothing else explains their insane behaviour.
        The rich elites do not believe they will suffer in any way in a protracted trade war.

        Just the little people, manipulated and brainwashed, will. That’s how Marxists operate. King Canute would be proud to serve over the ashes!

      3. I understand our trade with the US is more like 70% of our economy. Harper is speaking like I’m feeling. He’s a patriot. My position is Hell no to being annexed by the Yanks. Beyond that your points have merit.

      1. Allan… I have to admit, you’re on spot with that one.
        I have to warn people about that little snippet. I’d like to see it in the context of his entire speech.
        We may be jumping to conclusions.
        (Look at me — defending harper. It must be the end times!)

    5. Because of Quebec’s corrupt nature along with the corrupt federal liberal government, Canada is corrupt beyond repair. We have no Trump with Elon and his genius posse to root out the slime. Canada is already a failed country. We either join with the US or we will descend into anarchy and dire poverty. Canada has been run by stupid dishonest lunatics for far too long. It’s almost over.
      Lastly …. “Beware of the Yellow peril” – Alexander the Great.

    6. There is a context
      If the desire to keep from being annexed was what the people truly wanted and made it clear to the politicians they want Canada to remain independent then they best be prepared for the cost.
      It means our military capability not only has to match those that want a piece of our territory but we must exceed that.
      That means not only investment in things like a nuclear powered subsurface fleet, but one with all the capabilities and more than our potential enemies. Sorry buying a couple of ice breakers and hiring on more scouts won’t even come close.
      I can just hear the caterwauling from Sanich Island now to save the whales.
      And then there is the industrial capability and the energy to power and supply it with raw materials. This requires that the usual opposition to such things need to sit down shut up and put up. Do we have the political will to do that the next time someone cites an old grievance or a verbal land claim?
      Last I heard the politicians couldn’t find the nerve to ask why no bodies have been exhumed where claims of unmarked children’s graves were discovered on the site of what used to be a residential school.
      And let’s not forget the spoiled child of confederation, how conducive would they be to allowing a pipeline through Quebec?

      I agree with Harper that if we wish to keep Canada everyone that wants that will have to sacrifice a great deal to make it so.

      This is one of those fork in the road situations that for generations was treated like the elephant in the room.
      And right now the talk is cheap.
      The Star is promoting the story because it fits a narrative but they didn’t really listen.
      If you want to do this is isn’t going to be cheap and we have to be as big economically as the US to make it happen.

  2. But the topic is valid, and like “the light at the end of the tunnel” it may indeed be the headlamp of an oncoming train. Little Potato and his cronies have done terrific, intentional damage to our economy – and if Trump is serious and decides he wants Canada, we’re going to have a dreadful time stopping him. At what point does Trump win, and Canada become the 51st State?

  3. The U.S. is not going to annex Canada.

    It is possible that we might invite some territories and provinces to join the U.S., but we wouldn’t take them by force.

    I expect that we’re going to settle the Puerto Rico question soon. They either need to become a State or they need to be an independent nation.

    Canada might officially be a territory of the U.S., but it kind of acts like one. As such, maybe it’s time to join up.

    1. Why would any Republican want to guarantee Democrat majorities in the congress and senate in perpetuity? Even Alberta voters would be as best 50% conservative, probably less actual Republican. The rest of the country – forget it. Trump has referred to statehood, so I assume that means at least 2 senators, and a similar but higher number of congress critters to California since Canada has over 40M population vs 38M for Cali.

      1. @Greg: I’m pretty sure that Trump Team knows how Canadians would vote. So he will make sure that the takeover will exclude voting, at least for a decade or two. I think it will be like a bankruptcy liquidation: we will be forced to sell fast, and by piece/province, very low asking price and no conditions.

      2. I would venture even half of staunch UCP supporters would go Demoncrap in Alberta. So 75% to 80% Demoncrap province-wide.

  4. I genuinely don’t get it. Why would the US try to annex Canada by force? What would they possibly gain?

    Having some provinces and territories join because they want to could be very mutually beneficial but a frozen wasteland bombed into pieces isn’t going to very useful.

    1. No force will be needed

      It’s called a fire sale.

      Canada goes financially insolvent and the creditors start coming to lay claim to our assets

      The US says “not so fast” and declares Canada protected territory.
      We retain independence to act as ten provinces but the federal authority is basically castrated out of the picture.

      The crown concedes this a good deal as it keeps them in good stead with the US administration allowing the provinces to keep on as usual but it takes responsibility for foreign affairs and defence out of their hands.

    2. Some
      Trump only has to shout BOO, and 90% of kanadians would shit their pants, and any “war” would be over.

      2. It’s a shame we’re always at odds, GYM, because I’m agreeing with you more often than not.

        But you declared this war, and I am not going to back down.

        Unlike most Canuckistanians, I WON’T “shit in my pants.” I WELCOME any intervention Trump may be considering, because this country is DEAD.

        Is that man enough for you?

        Whimp!

    3. “I genuinely don’t get it. Why would the US try to annex Canada by force? What would they possibly gain?”

      Nothing. It’s not happening.

      Certain posters here have proven to be dumb enough to fall for Trump’s trolling on this, yes…but it’s still not happening. Ever.

    5. Canada has no military to speak of, literally, unless you count the Ottawa paper pushers. Any rifle squadron or lone, antique fighter jets in Cold Lake would be liquidated immediately, unless they immediately surrender.
      In any event, there would be little to no battle required, the US could walk down Main Street, they would just have to watch out for the Twigglypuffs, Marxists and Greentards yelling away at them.

  5. Whenever those who actually rule us want to shape our opinions, they trot out a former prime minister. And they expect us to follow them as though they were some kind of idol.

    Men without principles, or at least ones made flexible with cash.

    Perhaps Mulroney was unavailable.

    For those still capable of thinking for themselves, much of Canada would be waaaaAAAAaaay better off as a US state than continually mis-ruled by the most corrupt, self-serving, lying, treasonous POSs in our nation’s history. Which is why they’re laying on the fake patriotism shtick so thick.

    1. It takes more than a speech is what Harper is saying.
      The denizens of Montreal Toronto and Ottawa will have to contend with a great deal less of what they feel entitled to if they are so committed to keeping Canada.
      The same level of sacrifice made by the US on its path to independence.
      In other words
      The government must do a lot less and the citizens will be responsible for a lot more.
      If that is not acceptable then c’est la vie.

      Choose your destructor

      1. Joseph, you are speaking the truth. Reality is staring us in the face and we are averting our gaze.We have been lulled into submission because the vast resource base we have has backstopped the myriad number of support programs the government has given. But the reality is that if you take the King’s shilling, you will be expected to do the Kings business. And in this case the citizens of Canada will be expected to support Canadian sovereignty. that will be a non-starter( at least for AB/SK) when the store shelves are empty and our dollar is worth 40 cents/USD.
        c’est la vie

    2. People seem to think that the U.S. is far better managed than Canada.

      It is not. In many ways, the corruption runs much deeper, and it’s not just the Democrats. Being annexed would mean that we have even LESS say in how we are governed.

      1. This is a fact. The amount of power held by alphabet agencies and local officials in the US is extremely concerning, as much as the amount of power held by the PMO in Canada. Why I’ve always felt independance was a better path for Alberta and the West than becoming part of the US.

        1. At least the current administration is doing something to address the rot. What are Canuckistanians doing? BOOing the American anthem.
          Yeah… That’ll work.

      2. I would say the corruption is similar – but there is no longer any real effort to hide the rot in Canada. And I would argue that we have NO say in how we are governed in Canada, only the illusion of it.

        That said, we would have some immediate benefits. The right to bear arms. The ability to travel within the US regardless of a future plandemic hoax. The freedom not to be ordered to be poisoned by a non-existent threat from a fascist government. The benefit of a currency with real purchasing power. Immediate access to far cheaper goods and services with waaAAAAaay more selection. An end to the rape of oligopolies in airlines, dairy, cell plans, and on and on.
        No global-warming scam tax. Real choices in the media. No minimum Canadian content BS.
        No French and no need to listen to Quebec politicians ever again. Etc.

  6. Man that sort of rings a bell from history . Harper’s comment could all most run parallel with Russian tactics used when they where invaded . Russia would completely destroy everything ; crops , livestock , housing ….etc. , as the invaders moved deeper into their country leaving nothing that could be used by the enemy .

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  7. I’m open to be folded into the U.S. but I want the Democratic Party destroyed first–root and branch.

  8. Let’s face it: Canada is basically a nation of narcissistic teenagers. When faced with events over which they have limited or no control, they propose outright self-destruction in response. It’s not just Harper. His thoughts are being uncritically applauded by Liberals and other leftists across the country right now.

    1. They applaud yes

      Right up to the point where they realize they have to make that sacrifice.

      Coffee and avocados don’t grow in Canada.
      And I don’t know one person that works for free.

    2. Most idiots in canuckistan think that the pain will only be felt by the guy down the street and so are ok with that. The worst part of being stuck in shitholistan is other ‘canadians’. Given that most people work for the gubmint they may be right.

    2. It goes to show how terrible the incompetent and corrupt socialist governments in Canada are, that millions would prefer to be American.

      That said, millions would be happy simply to simply secede and form their own nation without being forced to feed the parasites in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. And to stop the POSs who rule over us from infesting us with 3rd world replacement populations and flooding our streets with drugs and our schools with faggot propaganda. On purpose.

    3. NorthBayTrapper, It’s not about being American, it’s about that we want Freedom AND prosperity. That is what is being renewed in the US right now in real time. Much better people are taking over.

      We can only watch and weep.

      ps .. North Bay is my home town. I got the hell out back in about 1962.

      1. I got out in1985, so you got wiser than me a lot quicker. I agree thing are bad here and need fixing. I want those things too. There is no reason why we cannot have a reawakening here like they are having south of the border. Just don’t believe is selling out all of the things I cherish. Cheers to you.

        1. Better to live in a place where some mistakenly perceive them to be ending, than living in Canuckistan where they ended long ago.

          By lying, corrupt POSs who ended them by design.

    4. Where’s that door, North? I’ve been looking for that open door, but they all seem to be locked!

      As for GYM’s retort, Pay no attention to the whimp!

  10. Toronto Star likes to “parse” speeches from conservatives to fit a narrative.
    Taking out of context isn’t beyond them
    That said however this statement isn’t out of line.
    Trump can and will do damage and the choice is a stark one.
    Commit the nation to hard times to become truly independent and strong. With it comes the elimination of a great many social programs that are taken as “what makes us Canadian”. This will not be accomplished in one electoral mandate so it requires the places that decide elections to be in for the long haul, and elect people that don’t want bigger government.
    The alternative is to call it a day and desolve the current federal power and have ten new states and three new US territories.

    So take a cue from what Harper is actually saying.
    If you truly believe Canada is worth saving, what are you willing to sacrifice?
    What is Ottawa willing to give up?
    I already know how Ottawa feels.
    They showed that during the freedom protest.
    Maybe what Harper is doing is reverse psychology?

  11. By the time he left office, Harper was a member of the wef advisory panel. That is why the country was handed off to the turd. All pre arranged. Harper deliberately ran a weak campaign. While the wef has lost much of its influence everywhere else, it still is very much entrenched here in northern shitholistan.

  12. … and that’s how Librano$ always win: shaping the narrative to their favour. Right now EVERYONE high-level politically in Canada is towing this fake nationalistic crap. And the electorate (which is not very bright to begin with) will say ‘why change the current federal lead if everyone else is towing the same line & copying the Liberals? Plus, they are changing the leader with the oh-so-good Carney!’.

    This is very stupid: pounding chest with patriotic BS while not so long ago Blackie-himself was boasting how post-national/no-core-values Canada is. I thought Harper is smarter than that, CDN$ will tailspin and we will be bankrupted/3rd world status in 2 months. At that point, all this BS will not matter.

  14. Harper showed his allegiance to Kanadas colonialism and bigotry that rapes and pillages the west at will when he left 24 senate seats open for the spawn to fill.
    But oh was his economic rhetoric so seductive. Just like Mulroney, Manning and now PP.
    What would Alberta and Saskatchewan prefer? Continue to be the battered wife of CON-federation or have two senators in the American senate? Trade in/with the US dollar…. or be backed by the CCP?
    Or go it alone?
    The status quo is a suicidal choice.

    1. Harper did have the record for annual deficit until Trudeau so maybe he his mad that Trudeau beat his record.

      1. He also had a balanced budget, Quebec quiet, the median income of Canadians higher than that of Americans, the dollar at par with the US$, investment at record levels, respect and admiration diplomatically abroad, etc.

    2. Too many battered wives leave by gurney rather than by foot. AB/SK will likely follow suit. Alberta blew its opportunity in the 1980s when it rejected the WCC.

  15. Please remember clearly that Harper proposed and passed the banking bail-in legislation before departing office for the last time. A bank bail-in means that if a failing bank feels that it will not survive a run by its patrons looking to withdraw funds, it may offer shares in itself as payment of the debt. Why, in any universe, does it may sense to take stock in a failing institution that is holding your money that had value until you deposited it in that same institution? And why would a true conservative agree to this kind of bail out clause in the first place? Why would any true conservative agree to unlimited fractional reserve banking in the first place and allow the fraction to become 100% of funds received?

    And remember the goal of WEF – complete and utter destruction of nation states in favor of a global oligarchy with the co-operation of large corporate entities (AKA Nazism)

  16. Harper was never as smart as we thought he was. His entire approach to governing, even after he got his majority, was to tread very lightly and not to gore any sacred ox. He was PM for nearly a decade, and what did we really get? A couple points off the GST, the destruction of the long-gun registry, the destruction of the Canada Wheat Board, and TFSAs. Everything else that was liberal (both small “l” and large “L”) about Canada was left intact, ready for the Liberals to resume their role as the Natural Governing Party.

    The majority of people living in this country do not want it to be anything other than a socialist utopia, with Big Government taking care of people cradle-to-grave, all paid for by the mythical “someone else.” Absolutely no independent thought, concern for second-order effects, critical self-reflection, allowed in this lazy, complacent and coddled dominion.

    We see it now in the election polls and the reporting thereof, the relentless push to make Carney a viable contender after he is anointed as the Liberal savior. Canadians hate, hate, hate Trump and it’s all too easy in their lazy brains to equate the Conservatives with Trump. Shiny new coat of paint on the Liberals and voila!

    Blow this cesspool of a country to smithereens, somebody. We’re too stupid to be allowed to be sovereign.

    1. They may hate Trump

      But not one can demonstrate he’s wrong about Canada not doing its fair share.

      The border
      The trafficking
      The military capability

      All are expected of a nation
      When they fail to do this they become the bad neighbour.
      And unlike a bad neighbourhood, the US can’t move, and neither can we.
      So he’s making us make some hard choices.
      They talk of patriotism but not what it will require.
      Harper is telling them if this is what you really want, expect a dramatic drop in the standard of living.
      Remember this the next time someone tries to tell you what defines Canada.

      1. You’re correct that we do not do our fair share. The root problem is that Canadians are so insulated from the consequences of our fecklessness that we do not want to hear the message at all, from anyone, and certainly not the despised Trump or anyone who supports him. We do not want to put in the work. We do not want to reform. We do not want to change our laws to better deal with organized crime, we do not want to invest in our military, we do not want to deal with the drug trafficking, we do not want to clean up our mess of an immigration system that Trudeau et al ruined. We want to roll over and go back to sleep and go back to pretending none of that stuff is real, that it’s all just figments of Trump’s deranged imagination. And the Liberals and the CBC (but I repeat myself) are all too happy to amplify that narrative times one thousand.

        This is what the Conservatives are up against. Canadians had by and large decided that Trudeau needed to go and it resulted in elevated CPC polling numbers and depressed LPC numbers. Maybe, hopefully, this Carney thing is a dead cat bounce, the removal of the anchor that was pulling the LPC below their natural floor. In a no-Trump environment that’s all we would have seen. This feels like something else, a validation of the Trudeau strategy to delay, delay, delay at all cost so that the LPC with its new anointed savior could run against Trump and benefit from the Trump hate and anti-Americanism that infests our institutions.

        I still think Carney will prove to be a poor campaigner, but if he’s got the entire institutional weight of Canadian “polite society” behind him and vehemently against Pollievre, with said society doing everything they can to lash Trump & Pollievre together… I dunno. I just don’t know.

        1. If Mark Carnival Carney becomes the next PM of Canada I swear I will leave this sorry gulag and move to South America where life would be infinitely better, Colombia’s health care system makes Canada’s health care system look like the disgusting mess that it is.

          The same can be said of many other countries …

      2. Canadians are like the neighbours that take their dogs to defecate on your yard. You ask them not to and they go ballistic screaming that you have no right to tell them what to do. So you’re forced to escalate matters to keep them from doing that.

        1. I was thinking of the analogy where when the dog shits on the neighbouring property and when the owner confronts them they state

          “But my pup poops on your lawn less than 1% of the time”

  17. Didn’t PM Harper sign a customs sharing deal with China that was kept a secret from the Canadian public? One that gave the Chinese government access to intelligence involving interdiction of illegal exports?
    Was it not the Harper government that ratified the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement? What were the terms of that agreement? When was all of this signed? What are the implications now of that?
    Did Harper broker a deal to sell uranium to China? Did the Uranium One deal happen during his administration?
    Why did Harper grant the Clinton Foundation a special designation granting it the same tax profile as Canadian charities?
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-in-hot-seat-at-nuclear-summit-for-uranium-use-1.1190227

    Lost his mind, or always of a mind? The LIberals embrace him now — much like certain ‘staunch Republicans’ are now embraced by Democrats in the U.S. Why is that?
    The more you know…

  18. This is what I’m talking about – the literal destruction of Canada, from without, with a few mean tweets, a fistful of dollars (REAL dollars, not $Can), and our elites’ blind, willful insistence to “be the last PM” and reign over the ashes, rather than sit at the table and deal the cards – and it all hinges on Quebec and Alberta; when (not ‘if’) one of them leaves, it’s over. Thru Instapundit:

    https://x.com/esrtweet/status/1889550226974974306

  19. If Trump can be taken at his word that he is serious about annexing Canada by killing US trade with tariffs, then Harper likely speaks for the vast majority of Canadians. If it’s trash talk, then Canadians can do that too.

  22. Harper is a nationalist. He loves Canada. That’s why he said what he did.

    6 years ago Trump said the trade deal with Canada/Mexico was the greatest trade agreement ever. Now were ripping off the US? Which is it?

  23. Trump presented the idea of a 51st state to mock “small potatoes”. Install Gretzky as governor. It was a joke.

    Can’t believe annexation by elites is even a conversation. Our leaders have a way of leading us lemmings right over the cliff.

      1. I would say that he has made it clear that it is not a joke, but rather an effective device to drive the simple-minded to distraction. If all the world is destined to stand against him, shouldn’t he want it to be as much as possible a world of blithering pants-pissing rodents? That seems to be what these statements produce. Perhaps that’s why he’s making them?

        1. I think it”s the other way around. Talk about fentanyl and illegals crossing the northern border — which could likely be resolved between the two nations through less thuggish means — are distractions from Trump’s true intent; annexing Canada.

          1. I don’t think it’s feasible for Trump to attempt to annex the entire country as the 51st state.
            What is more likely to happen, is that Canuckistan will fall apart under it’s own bloated weight of a bureaucracy, poor economy, massive corruption, and criminality.
            All Trump would have to do then is pick up the pieces, and it would be in the US’ interest to do so for security reasons, otherwise the remnants of what was once Canada could be absorbed by the Chinese.

          2. Canada has its problems, but I think you overstate them. And the U.S. has serious problems of its own. As an example, the U.S. deficit is higher as a percentage of GDP than Canada’s.

            Further, some of Canada’s problems could be improved relatively quickly with even half-assed leadership.

  25. Don’t jump so fast. “Toronto Star article.”

    There is a reason why Stephen refused to do interviews with the Star back when the Reform Party was starting out. They would twist his words every time.

  26. Just goes to show, when I refer to “our owners”, I am totally accurate.
    …and I see a few people here who actually want to be property of our elite, both the left and a non-trivial portion of the right are not only satisfied with our peonage, but actively approve of it.
    Bomb the crap outta Ottawa, annex Canada, invade, bankrupt the place and sell the assets off to the highest bidder, whatever. I no longer care.

  28. It’s become abundantly clear that Trump wants to take over Canada.

    Normally you would think a president would woo Canada into joining. Trump is using the opposite approach. He’s kicking Canada in the teeth economically (he has now threatened to destroy Ontario’s auto industry because “Canada stole America’s auto industry from them”). Presumably he will quit kicking when we join.

    This seems to be how Trump wants to make its mark on history. Maybe he thinks they’ll chisel his face on Mount Rushmore.

    Screw Trump and the horse he rode in on.

    1. 1. The Canadian federal gov’t, and probably provincial and municipal gov’ts as well, are infiltrated by Chinese state operatives, as per CSIS and the RCMP.
      2. Canada has laundered Chinese steel through Canada and into the states, helping China evade tariffs.
      3. The currently ruling Liberal party has its fingers in the drug trade pie, as is evidenced by them purchasing opioids for their “harm reduction” programs, only for those to to be released into the street market, and don’t forget about the state-sponsored crack-pipe vending machines.

      In its current state, Canada is an enemy to the US, and the US is treating us with kid gloves when compared with other regimes who have so grossly threatened them.

      As is your wont, you focus on people, not events and policies.
      You see the same behavior with your love of the jab: Rather than try to argue any data given, you invariably try to smear the purveyor of the data.
      In short, you are little more than a bot, and a pretty poorly programmed one, at that.

      1. “you focus on people, not events and policies.”

        He says, while making a personal attack. That’s just too much irony this early in the morning.

        1. Har har.
          KM claims a person.
          Call KM out on his use of ad-hominem fallacy all the time.
          KM says that’s an ad-hominem fallacy.

          As usual, he refuses to address the numbered points and conclusions I made, and instead only smears me.

          Ya can’t make this stuff up, folks!

          1. LOL.
            Again, refusing to address any of the points I made.
            Again, suggesting that you know exactly what Trump is thinking, why he’s doing it without any reference to the reasons for doing so, as I enumerated, but rather you decide to opine on Trumps motivation with such simple-minded BS as him “seeing himself as a savior”, all the while trying to elevate Harper, again without any reference to a single real-world policy, just that, in your opinion “Harper was always able to see more than one move down the chessboard”.

            You say nothing of any substance at all, no reference to any concrete policy and the reasons behind them, just making reference to the alleged personal qualities you like to attribute to the people involved. You’d fit right in at CBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
            You are real piece of work.

        2. Pointing out the ad hominem fallacy while indulging in spirited and merited abuse is not “irony”. It’s double-tasking.

          1. I don’t expect anything else on this website. It’s a pity the blog owner has little interest in quelling the abuse. A more civil discussion would likely increase traffic, as people would be more to willing to participate in the comments.

            But her blog, her choice.

          2. KM:
            “It takes two to tango.”
            Like it or not, You’re part of this dance.

            We all are, myself included.

          3. fc:

            I do heave the odd insult, but my rule is to only do it in reponse to someone who has been significantly abusive to me. And I keep to it pretty well. You’ll notice I was cordial in my response to you above.

            I used to use no insults, in keeping with the blog owner’s request for everyone to be civil. But she has since made it clear that she has no intent on enforcing that, so I loosened up a bit.

      2. 1. No it’s not.

        2. That’s a good thing actually, but it’s not happening very much.

        3. No they don’t.

        Canada hasn’t threatened America in any way.

    2. “…Trump wants to take over Canada”

      So does Trudeau, your point?

      BTW – Trump rides Airforce 1 when he’s not driving any car he wants to buy made on planet earth.

      You stare into the face of the Sun, you go blind.

      1. My point is that I don’t like foreign powers trying to take over my country, whether it be America, China, or Portugal.

        Consider it a personal idiosyncracy.

  29. Stephan Harper I highly respect! John Chittick hits this topic right on!
    Harper like the rest of us is sick of Trump’s bullshit but Trump is sick of the Liberal’s Bullshit! Both likely being over stated!
    Moe and Danielle should be proceeding with the separation vote in each province!
    Time Is In The Essence!!!

  30. Smart folk talk about events, fools talk about people.
    You will see exactly the same folk who say such idiotic things as “Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin is an evil eater of babies” start saying such things as “Trump just wants to destroy and annex Canada, because he’s unhinged.”
    Not for one second are they capable of seeing policies in the light of real issues, like national security, economic sovereignty, or what have you. They concentrate only on trying to de-humanize the objects of their hatreds and insecurities.
    scar, km, jessica, and quite a few others here parrot this standard technique of propaganda that works very well on the simple-minded.

  31. // Trump presented the idea of a 51st state to mock “small potatoes”. Install Gretzky as governor. It was a joke.//
    &
    // Trump has made it clear numerous times now that it is not a joke. //

    Trump makes these claims; what follows determines whether he “really means it” or “It was a negotiating tactic”
    And in this case we determine what follows.

  32. As each day passes Trump faces more opposition at home. For every executive order he signs he faces the federal court. Injunctions at every turn. Some will fail but not all.

    Trump is testing the constitutional limits of a president. What is he going to due when a federal judge determines he has crossed the line? Will he obey and stand down or declare the judge is wrong? If the judiciary determines he has overstepped will Pam Bondi dispatch agents to enforce? Will America be a country of laws or will it look the other way with a rogue president? It’s coming.

    2. There has already been judges who have ordered Trump to stop investigating the treasury, and upheld on appeal.
      Trump’s reaction: He’s going to appeal.
      NOT the actions of a rogue president, but of a president who’s doing exactly what the American electorate voted for.

  33. Harper is referring specifically to some non-descript annexation of Canada and heads explode everywhere.
    Not tariffs, not Trump’s foreign policy, as the media monkeys meander, but our very existence as a nation.

    He could have added re-electing Liberals is precisely how Trump would achieve his neo-Manifest Destiny 51st state stuff. That would be Alberta saying goodbye, to fracture, thus ending Canada, then ripe for “annexation.”

    Minds are lost all right. Thankfully, according to Leger today, the Trump/Carney bump is already a dump.

  34. Stephen Harper was never that awesome. He was a “reach across the aisle” guy, ready to “work with the Opposition”.

    Which is fine, unless the Opposition are criminals funded by China, intent on gutting Canada and shipping it to Beijing.

    CPC and PP, take note. You do not get points for “working with” the #Liberals. You get points now for DEFEATING them and destroying all their works. Leave no stone standing, and salt the earth so they can never grow back.

        1. Trump and China are playing big boy games, while Canada is acting like China’s lapdog, yapping directly into Trump’s face all the time, and Trump is sick of it.
          There are a host of issues in which Canada is actively helping the CCP, and Trump is punishing us for that, and instead of addressing any of these issues, Canadians are instead lining up to have their owners chop off their noses to spite their dumb mugs, in the mistaken belief that Trump will just allow a Chinese puppet narco-state share the longest undefended border with the USA if Canada just has a big enough tantrum, if our owners kick us in the teeth enough times.
          I wish I was surprised.

  36. Harper was always able to see more than one move down the chessboard, and in this instance he’s correct.

    Why? Because Trump is far more vulnerable than he appears.

    Trump sees himself as America’s saviour, as do many of his admirers. Everything will be sunshine and lollipops here on in. But should he embroil America in a needless trade war — a war that he started — then hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Americans will be thrown out of work. It might even trigger a recession.

    Should that happen, Trump’s reputation will go from saviour to bloviating idiot in 3.4 seconds, and he’ll spend the rest of his term trying to recover from that.

    Harper knows that. Canada need only show some backbone and Trump will back down from the worst of his plans to subjugate Canada. But we need the resolve to face up to Trump.

    1. Again, suggesting that you know exactly what Trump is thinking, why he’s doing it without any reference to the reasons for doing so, as I enumerated above, but rather you decide to opine on Trump’s motivation with such simple-minded BS as him “seeing himself as a savior”, all the while trying to elevate Harper, again without any reference to a single real-world policy, just that, in your opinion “Harper was always able to see more than one move down the chessboard”.

      You say nothing of any substance at all, no reference to any concrete policy and the reasons behind them, just making reference to the alleged personal qualities you like to attribute to the people involved. You’d fit right in at CBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
      You are real piece of work.

        1. Well, it’s easy enough for you to know what Trump is thinking. The ghost of Adolph Hitler is constantly shrieking Trump’s thoughts into your ears. It’s a bit trickier for the rest of us.

  37. Step 1. A clear question for separation as per the court ruling. 50% + 1
    Step 2. A referendum on joining the US with a clear question and 50% +1.

    Have to do step 1 first.. makes it a lot cleaner and most of the issues would get sorted in this step. Would be better not to conflate the issue of Alberta separation with joining the US.
    I doubt if full statehood could be achieved quickly and as others have pointed out this would affect the delicate balance in the US Congress. But access to US markets, warm weather and a real currency would be a huge plus for Alberta.

  38. If your source for “Stephen Harper has lost his mind” is the Toronto Star, I think it would be prudent not to assert it as fact.

    I must say I don’t think what he says there is controversial. That the country should be willing to pay a price for independence? Maybe not Platonic wisdom, but hardly lunacy.

    1. sovereignty /sŏv′ər-ĭn-tē, sŏv′rĭn-/
      noun
      1. Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign state.
      2. Royal rank, authority, or power.
      3. Complete independence and self-government.

      The USA imposing tariffs is exercising their sovereignty.
      That is not a threat to our own sovereignty.
      Our own feds being compromised by the CCP is a threat to our sovereignty.
      Selling our assets to foreign powers is a threat to our sovereignty.
      Harper sold our sovereignty to China with the FIPA treaty.
      The turd aggravated the states by facilitating Chinese steel companies evasion of tariffs.
      Our own gov’ts willingness to impose tariffs on us rather than protect Canadian sovereignty is a crime.

  39. A small and unique cross-section of Canadiana, but in the last four months SDA comments reveal evidence of a revolution under way. Truly inspiring.

    Stephen Harper is the most vilified PM in history simply because he was a real threat to the Laurentian Elite. He has not suddenly become acceptable to the desperate Left, is and was too wise to be played by them, openly despises Chinese Communism, and is fully aware of that corruption in the heart of Ottawa. He also knows Trump would never annex 30 million instant democrat voters, all government “workers” blindly selling out their own grandchildren to Beijing for a fat pension, unwitting or willing Fifth-Columnists angry that Trump is interfering with their nest-egg. Harper’s message could be directed at them ie: ‘the 10 million Canadians whom you despise have always paid your way but are now broke so things are not going to remain so easy’.

    1. Harper implemented the FIPA treaty with China, essentially giving China the keys to the kingdom.

  40. ” … a plan of how we reorient our economy”

    Emphasis on “Orient” … as in Communist China. My Canadian friends … that fool will either have you speaking Mandarin … or become a lampshade. Go ahead … re-ORIENT yourselves.

    1. As you can see in the comments here, many Canadians would rather Canada be a Chinese puppet than a truly sovereign state, and are willing to endure economic emasculation rather then clean up our act.

  42. God damn you are salty butthurt over this entirely predictable backlash to American hyper-arrogance and delusion. Like holy crap get over yourself, you’re a part of a radical fringe minority. So am I, but yours is really stupid.

    Like WTF did you expect here? For a former PM to say ‘well we should just knuckle become part of a broke superpower headed by a child because muh comfort’? You are the one who is out of their damned mind.

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