50 Replies to “From Anti-Individual to Anti-Humanism”

  1. Watched it last night good interview, “Wokism” is the last station stop from Progressive Liberalism itself the product of earlier Classical Liberalism.

    The question is how to reverse a train from a free-fall.

    1. How did classical liberalism (i.e. the recognition of individual rights) transform itself into the blatantly collectivist wokist movements of today? What’s the chain of reasoning behind that notion?

      Tossing out the concept of individual rights will slam the train throttle to the floor.

      1. It started with the “progressive” movement of the early 1920s, Calvin Coolidge identified it during his July 5, 1926 speech:

        “About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”

        They rejected the ideas of the enlightenment that lead to the declaration, and have been trying to tear it down ever since. They aren’t “Liberals” in any sense of the word, since they looked at the greatest result and denied it’s tenets.

        1. What a great quote!

          It’s no wonder Coolidge has been painted as a clown by hisitory. He was clearly dangerous to the left.

        2. Chesterton’s Fence is ignored again and again.

          https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/#:~:text=Chesterton's%20Fence%20is%20not%20an,we're%20intimate%20with%20it.

          “Chesterton’s Fence is not an admonishment of anyone who tries to make improvements; it is a call to be aware of second-order thinking before intervening. It reminds us that we don’t always know better than those who made decisions before us, and we can’t see all the nuances to a situation until we’re intimate with it.”

      2. @Dennis – “What’s the chain of reasoning behind that notion?”

        According to the philosopher it began with the original notion of “individualism”. A noble concept that changes through the ages as societies “conquered” larger “collectivism” targets and eventually began redefining the core values of individualism.

        This was basically caused by smaller and smaller fish to fry, to a point that individualism from the “woke” point of view is separation of the collective genders and eventually the collective idea of humanity itself.

        A train with many stops along the way that is now barrelling along without brakes.

        Interesting anyway………

      3. I don’t think you have to look any further than Rousseau. He talks about the individual a lot but only in the context of the individual and the role he plays in the State. The social contract, from Rousseau’s perspective, is a state based view, not an individual based view. Rousseau is the basis for all leftist, so-called classical, liberal thought today. Hobbes was the basis for the American experiment but has been labelled too pessimistic for the progressive crowd that cannot accept the venal nature of man.

    2. Paul, Paul, Paul … you must EMBRACE your Matrix future … when the world is reconstructed as walkable 15min. cites accessible only in your mind from the assigned techno bassinet of fluid and tubes. You will be saving the planet … from climate change. Thank you AI !!

    3. Paul, good question. The implication by Dugin is that it can’t or won’t be reversed. His ‘train’ of liberalism has been heading in a single direction for more than 500 years. That’s far too much inertia to be readily or easily overcome or redirected. Over the course of those five centuries, it’s defeated and demolished any and all collectivist ideologies that opposed it. Because it is now unopposed, there’s nothing left to stop it.

      In a sense, it really doesn’t matter. We won’t be around to see it arriving at the last station.

      1. @cgh

        I would agree. The most probable outcome to me is enough of a crisis or collapse that people are united out of their trance with enough adversity handed them to bother to work together for a solution.

        Not a good situation for any society, but it’s apparently good enough to keep repeating. It seems like all rich corrupt empires reach a similar state near the end regardless of their founding culture. Ours happens to be a particular niche of ideas, but holds the same societal hallmarks only on much larger population scales.

        1. @Paul. Agreed. This situation was diagnosed by Edward Gibbon 1776-1789 with his six-volume history The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. (Gibbon arguably invented what became the style of writing prose in the English language.)

          From his observations of what was the collapse of the greatest empire and civilization the world had ever seen thus far, a cyclical pattern of rise and decline may be inevitable. We may simply be at the perogee of our civilization. For the Romans, there wsa no recovery of their final collapse occuring in 1453. Instead they were supplanted first by the Ottoman Turks and then the rising European powers of the Enlightenment: principally Britain and France.

          As for direct comparisons, Justatwit may be Canada’s version of Nero. But Canada is a trivial thing. Perhaps more appropriately, Joe Biden has no analogue in the Empire. For all of Rome’s history, weak, incompetent Emperors were overthrown and murdered generally quite soon after they came to the purple.

    4. “The question is how to reverse a train from a free-fall.”

      1. nuclear holocaust
      2. meteor impact greater than 120 km in diameter
      3. zombie apocalypse

  2. Classical liberalism’s remains can be found in libertarianism. The modern “liberal” is a product of the progressives, their Marxist, and National Socialist brethren going back to the turn of the last century. We are so far down the rabbit hole today that the progressives have dropped their aversion mask to their former allies of the 1930s Germany and many now celebrate their Muslim partners revival of the holocaust.

    Western civilization has never been under such an attack and the most serious of that is from progressives from within. They’ve captured the institutions and are unleashing their nihilistic cultural revolution while continually importing Muslims whose theological duty is to destroy western civilization by transitioning it to an Islamic Caliphate. That such an alliance is suicidal for the progressives is beyond them but at least a form of justice.

  3. My longer post keeps getting killed. So I’ll just END my comments with this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLQlzTf9Mw

    Robert; Feel free to use this great performance of the Doors in Toronto which showcases Robby Kreiger’s GENIUS psychedelic guitar work. Perhaps Jim Morrison DID see through a DOOR of perception … and saw what we were doing to ourselves … utter SELF destruction. Willful, purposeful, destruction of THE SELF. Time to get off that snake … the same snake that put us here in the first place.

    1. I, perhaps foolishly, remain optimistic. It was soon the end for Jim but the rest of us pushed on. I prefer The Beatles ‘The End’. “And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make”. Here comes the sun.

      2. TBF … the Beatles had their own gloomy “end of love” song in “The White Album’s” “Helter Skelter” and the painfully sad dirge “Long Long Long” written by George Harrison.

        https://youtu.be/e9vUCdfwlgw?si=j0FEVBQCxHaEIoaR

        However, I am an eternal optimist … quite literally … as my Xistian faith teaches. Sorry, but I believe the ordinary spelling is a trigger word set by Kate. Things end. Love ends. Jobs end. Lives end. I neither welcome, nor fear, The End. But I posted the Doors brilliant psychedelic Opus as it represents the Doom Loop this Russian Philosopher claims we’ve trapped ourselves into.

        And it is quite instructive that this man believes The End will come as a result of The West seeking more and more individual “freedom”. But as with so many things in life … too much freedom … such as free drugs on the street is leading to death. There absolutely IS such thing as too much freedom. I believe Paul Harvey often spoke about how lack of restraint would lead to the destruction of our Democracies.

        1. Seeking individual freedom? I didn’t hear that. I believe he is warning against the elimination of individual freedom by the woke left. Something they have always worked toward.
          Yes, The Beatles, unlike The Doors or Pink Floyd, showed both sides of the moon.

          1. Come on Thomas … Perhaps you need to listen to The Doors entire catalog … before dismissing them as Dark-side only … what can be sweeter and more lovely than Love Street?

            https://youtu.be/pldftoUbM80?si=HphIjekQFFV8G8WE

            And Dugin did speak of catering to ever narrowing individual freedoms … yes, every woke gender you can dream up… as being ultimately destructive of the freedom we all seek

          2. I have certainly heard The Doors. I have all their albums because I’m a completist. I respect Krieger, however afaic, they are well served by a Greatest Hits album. All a matter of taste but, for me, probably the most overrated band of the era.
            Dugin is not promoting the destruction of individual rights. I believe that he is saying that the left has used the idea of collective rights disguised as perverted individual rights to overcome actual individual rights. Woke means you can’t dissent from Woke, doesn’t it? I see the political divide as essentially the battle between those who support and defend individual rights vs collectivism. But as John Adams said, it takes a moral people for it to work.

      2. Thank you for the post. Below is an excerpt from the speech that hit home with me.

        “About the Declaration [of Independence] there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”

    2. I second that, Billy Mike.
      JD, thank you for bringing this. I would welcome such astute commentary over the easy, glib, sarcastic, repetitive commentary that constitutes noise to signal these days.
      Anyone recall Ken Kulak? Etc.

  6. I had always hoped that I would not be here to watch the book of Revelation unfold right in front of me ……… but here it is

  7. The old man is an idiot, just like Karl Marx was an idiot. Salesman, and pseudo-intellectual d-bag.

    Humans -are- individuals. We are born alone, and we die alone. That is the ground-state of humanity. Everything else, be it gender norms (as distinct from sex, which is biological) or culture, or language, or ideology, or ANYTHING else, all of it starts with the single, lone Human. Those things are all constructed. They are the result of humans cooperating, and remembering what has gone before. Furthermore they are constructed to deal with the natural environment, which humans can’t do alone except in certain very friendly places.

    Humans societies work best when individuals are free to do whatever they can against the pressures of the natural environment. They work -worst- when one guy decides how everything is supposed to go. That’s when masses of people die.

    1. @The Phantom

      I don’t believe he was advocating for slavery or the loss of freedom, he was explaining his interpretation and a road-map from a beginning to end with “wokism”.

      Breaking down individualism to a point of separating one self from humanity is a mental illness, one that has become pervasive in our society. No society can sustain that level of “individualism” and survive long. We are witnessing that decay in slow motion, seemingly urged on by our dear leaders in all western countries for some otherwise unknown reason.

      If you watched the interview he is clear that separation from “humanity” means people who don’t think they are human, not simply people who want to separate from society like a monk in a log cabin somewhere.

      1. Agreed, Paul. Dugin is not advocating for this. He’s being clinical and objective about what he has observed in Anglo-Saxon society. What Dugin has done is to show that liberalism over the past five centuries has systematically demolished all the larger institutions that bind individuals together.

        And it has. The church is now largely irrelevant to society. Civil institutions like service clubs are falling into decline left and right. Institutions like Boy Scouts are now largely faded into nothing. Belief in the goodness or virtue of government has diminished heavily in the last 40 years. Scientific institutions have become corrupted enough to feed us the nonsense fairy tale of global warming. Science itself has seen its principle guarantor of honesty – peer review – to be flawed and false. Medical research gave us Covid-19 and lied to us about why and how.

        You stated earlier, “A train with many stops along the way that is now barrelling along without brakes.” Dugin is not advocating for this as a good thing. He is simply analyzing it for what he understands it to be. If not stopped, it may well end the way trains usually do: a trainwreck like Lac Megantic.

    3. Seriously Phantom … you cannot believe that humanity are nothing more than pure individuals? So the social, emotional, and personal urge for pair bonding (marriage) between men and women is … nothing? And tribal collectives of people who share the same genetic blueprint and cultural beliefs is … nothing? Forming groups … extended families … towns and tribes is written into our DNA … across all cultures, beliefs, and degrees of modernity.

      Hermits are the exception, not the rule among mankind. Most of we humans actually NEED each other in more ways than one. We don’t come into this world alone. It took a man and a woman coupling to create us, and to nurture us in one of the longest time of dependency and growth in the animal Kingdom. We’d all die in a matter of days if not hours if not for the care and (mostly) love of our parents.

      Having said that … governments should be designed to serve the individual … and the family. BOTH are essential elements to a healthy life. If either is diminished or destroyed … we fail. Just look at what has become of fatherless “urban” children … not good.

      2. “Seriously Phantom … you cannot believe that humanity are nothing more than pure individuals?”

        This is one of those things that is so obvious that nobody sees it. Kenji: humans are born -alone-. Just like any other mammal. We are not attached, joined, hooked up to, part of, anything else. Each of us is alone in his or her existence.

        There’s no argument about that. Those are the facts.

        Now, given that baseline of existence, we form groups. We -love- to form groups. The first group we form is mother and child, the ultimate, most unshakeable group. Then family, then clan, then tribe, etc. We are extremely good at it, better than most other animals, but it is not unique in the animal kingdom. Lots of animals are social.

        But all those things are emergent properties of the ground state, which is that humans are -individuals-. There’s no such thing as a “group” in actual fact. There are individuals, working together. Mother and child is two individuals, Kenji. That’s what an alien dropping onto the Earth will see. A large human carrying a small human, for no apparent reason. Two big humans with three little humans all walking together is what they’ll notice, not a “family”.

        When humans work together voluntarily you get a better result than when they do it at gun point. That’s the difference between capitalism and socialism, once you strip away all the fancy talk.

        This is one of those subjects where people get very upset when you bring up the facts. But knowing and understanding the facts is your only defense against charlatans and snake oil salesmen. Sure, it sounds really great to say that Woke(tm) is the logical result of the “Sovereignty of the Individual” idea from the Reformation, but the actual fact is that individuals ARE sovereign. And alone!

        Groups are things we make up, to deal with Nature. That we like to make up groups is nice, but they are still made up. They have no independent existence.

        1. Agreed.
          Same sentiment in “Humans go mad in herd,return to sanity individually”.
          As with the child ,hero of The Emperor’s new clothes..

        2. The need for socialization is written into our DNA … it is an essential characteristic of every individual. Our independence is also written into our DNA … both are immutable characteristics of being human.

          The need for socialization doesn’t exist “outside” the individual. It is part of who we are. But rest assured … Social … ISM … is absolutely NOT written into our DNA. That is a perverted manmade construct.

          1. “The need for socialization is written into our DNA…”

            No, not really. Humans can grow to adulthood with little to no socialization. Plenty of cases of it. They don’t do -well- of course, they turn out pretty messed up, but they don’t die of it. It’s not biologically necessary. Again, understanding the difference between ‘biologically necessary’ vs. ‘highly desirable.’

            Normal humans of course -benefit- from socialization and being in a group, because we are social animals. Like a wolf, chimp, gorilla etc. Then there are the abnormal humans who hate having people around, and do much better on their own.

            And again, EVERYTHING we do is by definition a man made construct. Because we make them. They don’t exist unless we make them. There’s no such thing as ‘family’ without humans to make one. Families are not all the same either, they vary depending on who made it up. Some work better than others.

            As it happens, ‘family’ is a construction that humans always make, because if they don’t their offspring die, and they die. It is a robust and powerful tool for survival. Even chimpanzees and gorillas have families, because it works.

            Capitalism, aka trading, is another thing like family. Humans always come up with it, because it is such a powerful technique.

            Socialism of course is a scam. Not because it is man made, but because it is a stupid idea pushed by criminals to give them more opportunities to steal.

    2. I enjoy watching Tucker interview people otherwise known to me only by how they’re portrayed by others.

    4. Going to agree that Tucker seems to be going a little weird lately. UFOs? Really?

      Still, nice that he had the ancient snake-oil salesman on so I can see how full of s- he is. If that guy is “Putin’s Brain” then Mr. Putin is f-ed.

      Woke is Marxism with a new coat of whitewash.

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