My understanding is that the federal Tories were going to axe the carbon tax. When did that change to “remove a few victims from the scope of the tax”?
My understanding is that the federal Tories were going to axe the carbon tax. When did that change to “remove a few victims from the scope of the tax”?
Erin the Toole rang him up and sold him on the flip flop hippy hop strategy that all conservatives do. Yuuuuuge payoff in status quo.
That would be the Erin O’Toole that knifed 2.3M law abiding gun owners in the back at the eleventh hour and coughed up the ball, wouldn’t it?
Having a touch of progressive in your conservative is like adding a pinch of manure to a barrel of cognac. You end up with a barrel of manure. If PP wants to lose by bleeding votes to Mad Max as the only genuinely conservative option, to quote the Mandalorian, This Is The Way.
Scared to death of being accused of being a denier. Danielle smith is too.
That’s part of why I’ve always been hesitant about her. Ever since she stabbed Wildrose in the back she’s continued to strike me as flakey. There are good people who can make the case that “there’s nothing outside of the normal going on” and that, all other things being equal, more CO2 is better for life (and biodiversity).
See “Climate: the movie” for more details.
PPC posted this as well…
My opinion is that the Conservatives only wanted to focus on the major items that it’d be difficult to argue against.
There may be another hundred items they oppose, but all of that would be discarded by Canada’s welfare dependent media. So, just nail a few points which there is no possibility of the #Libranos compromising on and argue for those..
Clearly I’m giving the Conservatives the benefit in this argument, that’s ok for now….
Not buying it. I’ve been warning about PP and yes, Danielle Smith. Both are not true conservatives, but blue liberals, just like the conservative party in Great Britain. There hasn’t been any real political voice for real conservatives in my lifetime, and I’m over 60 years old.
The only true blue conservative leaders that I can recall would be Thatcher, Reagan, and maybe, just maybe, Donald Trump, but I’ve been disappointed so many times, and now, Trump is also showing signs of cracking.
The only option for conservatives is the PPC, but they have no real chance in making a change in the country’s political landscape.
It’s unfortunate, but PP is still the best option available for conservative, but as I said earlier, I live in a safe blue riding, so I will be voting PPC.
“I will be voting PPC”
Ditto for the second time. More people should stop this
lesser evil crap and vote for, what truly fits their believes.
Come on, this game is getting tiresome.
Are PP and the rest of them gonna cut their pay or pensions?
Yeah right!
““I will be voting PPC”
Ditto for the second time. More people should stop this
lesser evil crap and vote for, what truly fits their believes.
Come on, this game is getting tiresome.”
Same here (and just like last time). It sends a clear message to the supposed ‘conservatives’ in the CPC.
Stop taking us for granted and assuming that you can coerce our vote by simply fearmongering about the Liberals getting re-relected.
The “conservatives” in the UK are blue socialists, and, just like all Western countries today, do not control the government. Watch this interview with Farage and Truss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GpWA8WgBnw
Agreed. It was a safe bet that none of his demands would be met. But it proved the point. This federal government ignores the 70% of Canadians who want the tax reduced or eliminated. Out of touch, dictatorial idealogues.
Yea that’s what I got out of the Liberal deficit budget as well.PP has to go based on that scenario
It’s right there on page 1 in the Rule Book For Conservatives: The best offence is a retreat.
Just a retreat? Not the lubing and presentation of your own buttocks?
Hmm. On review, that might be a little harsh. But only a little based on real world experience.
If you can get the Bloc, NDP, to help you axe the carbon tax on farmers and food, I’ll take it.
Later, when in power, they can axe all the tax.
yeah, you bet, joe.
I love farmers and food. too.
However, “when in power” they will be the uni-party as per the post national canadian way.
PP is a lifer Ottawa bubble boy. He is owned.
Oh, and don’t say “could of had Max” or some shite…he, too, the goofy boy that he is, is owned, too.
No dogs in this fight.
I say that we dispose of 338 and let provinces work out the details.
stevie
If you had a chance while in opposition, to remove the carbon tax on farmers and food, you’d pass it up?
And I would never tell you “could of had Max”.
Rule #2 , be nice to the Media, so that you’ll get favourable coverage at election time, you don’t want to get compared to Maga people right.
That’s so cute! If you know the comparisons are coming, then why try to play up to them and be nice in the lead-up? If they like you before the shoe drops then their later hatred of you means more. If they’ve always hated you then it IS harder to get your word out, but it also means that when the shoe drops you don’t have to apologize for playing along earlier.
Did the GST get canceled by a conservative government?
Did Preston keep his promise to not accept a pension?
Did Harper run up the debt?
PP can appease by saying all the right things.
Welcome to the Uniparty where the Conservatives are just the Controlled Opposition, but but at least he’s better than Justin right!
Washington Generals to the Harlem Globetrotters.
Maybe we should calm our titties, eh? PP has been great so far. I’m not gonna throw the towel for just one lukewarm msg.
I dunno. I kinda took notice of how he supported the convoy only when it looked politically safe to do so, and how he handled it when Christine Anderson visited some caucus members.
The Marxist coalition is taking a flamethrower to the country. They and everything they do and stand for must be unflinchingly and categorically rejected, despite the screeching of their media whores. Mealy half measures don’t cut it when the country’s solvency, confidence, and future is at stake.
But whatever. I’m pushing for Wexit anyhow.
The Conservatives are cowardly on the climate issue.
They are not willing to tell the public the truth. Yes, the globe has warmed at the rate of 1.5C per century since 1979. Man made CO2 emissions have played an undefined part.
However one tonne of CO2 warms the globe by an unmeasurable 0.0000000000017C. Current technologies to reduce emissions amount to pissing into the wind and are a colossal waste of money.
I fully agree, but you’re saying it to mildly. Life LOVES warmth. There’s more biodiversity at the equator than the poles for a reason. Life also loves thick, wet air. Treeline has (at least) 3 meanings – how far north, how far up mountains, and how far from the middle of a desert trees can grow. All three meanings change when there’s more CO2 – more CO2 means more life, and the treeline changes to decrease the “can’t grow here” zone at higher CO2.
Anyone who tries to decrease atmospheric CO2 is an enemy of life. And many of those preaching decreasing CO2 levels previously preached depopulation. I think they’re still on the same topic, but have changed horses because they don’t want to appear evil. (They still are evil, of course, but they don’t want to appear evil.)
CO2 is not a climate driver. Good grief.
“They are not willing to tell the public the truth. Yes, the globe has warmed at the rate of 1.5C per century since 1979.”
No it hasn’t. If anything we’re getting colder.
“Man made CO2 emissions have played an undefined part.”
Carbon dioxide has played no part at all in climate change. It’s a scam. The whole carbon scare is one big ugly scam.
I find this persuasive.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
They say, “Politics is the art of the possible”, which means, “It’s not about what’s right or what’s best. It’s about what you can actually get done”. It’s associated with Realpolitik, a political philosophy of setting pragmatism over your ideological goals. Getting everything you want is impossible, and often, you have to severely compromise in order to get anything you want at all. But in the end, refusing to compromise means you get nothing whatsoever. The term “art of the possible” is sometimes generalized in the sense of avoiding perfectionism. The goal is to get something that is good enough and move on rather than being driven into complete immobility by a desire to be perfect.” – Joshua Engel
Canada is totally compromised. The GOP handed the midterms to the Democrats because they seemed unwilling to compromise on abortion. It all sucks.
Delightful. Please write a book. I’ll buy it. There is so much more to discuss, but I think that chat discussions have “evolved beyond that” so I think we’re supposed to just shut up about them.
Discussions like this are why I started coming to SDA some 20? (I demand a recount!) years ago.
Realpolitik works based on mutual respect, where all sides can arrive at an understanding and come away feeling they got the best possible result.
The leftists pursue their ideological goals without compromise. They expect the right to give way every time, which they have done on every major issue for over 30 years. And now we’re staring at oblivion.
The GOP handed the midterms to Dems because most of them are uniparty swampers.
Yup. Abortion was the excuse.
We’re all saying the same thing. In politics, you have to compromise to get anywhere but, these days, it seems compromise gets you either nowhere or further f’d.
The battle cry of the Conservative:
Lemmings, the cliff is before us! Check your parachutes and good luck!
The battle cry of the PPC:
TURN AROUND !!!
The philosophy of the Conservative voter:
If I turn around I could get trampled, and besides, if my parachute works, perhaps the lowlands will be better than they say.
Good luck lemmings !!!
Last time out Max garnered 5% of the votes cast, and no seats.
The Green Party, with even less creedence vote-wise, is the Media go-to voice of Mother Earth in menopause..
Next time out one hopes for PPC to be to the CCP as NDP is to the Son King.
Life Followed Art dept.
Here Comes the Sun – Beatles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQetemT1sWc
“ “Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid.”
Ronald Regan
PP seems to be very cautious. Being very careful and afraid to go off script.
I trust him less and less every day because it’s the math that will dictate what he does.
And that will be to obey the golden triangle.
Reality!!
Free the West.
PP can’t scrap the entire tax if he wins next year, the Turd has ensured it with amount of debt that he’s rung up, and any promise to do just that is a lie and a plain old stupid one at that. O’Toole tried that tactic and look where it got him. Let’s be real here folks.
He can’t scrap sht really, he can but what’s he going to cut.
Because the carbon tax is just that a tax.
The environment is used to hook the hand wringers.
As long as building way overpriced homes is the driver of our economy nothing is going to change.
Good kids are getting fked.
Won’t be voting for more globalist garbage.
If you believe Trudeau that the carbon tax is fully refunded, then scrapping the tax and the rebates is revenue neutral for the government. So, axing the tax is a freebie!
Now you are regurtitating Liberl propaganda, Muggsie.
Hell yes he can. just take the guts to reduce government rather than slow its growth.
Chris in Ptbo:
An adult speaks!! Thanks.
he will do the same with gun control and god forbid they try another plandemic, PeePee will be amongst the first to give a proverbial reach around to big pharma.
He’s cuckservative plain and simple and anyone that supports him looks more retarded than he does ♂️
I, along with a couple of million gun owners, are waiting and watching to see what the CPC will do for us (to us) when they get elected.
I expect to be disappointed, again. I was a huge Harper supporter and a party member, based on his repeated promises to re-write the Firearms Act. Then I learned that no-one in his gov’t even BEGAN to write a new Firearms Act. They never had any intention of keeping that promise.
And here we are, a decade later, still a political football to be abused by the party of the day. Anyone who wants to know why I’m not a rah-rah CPC booster? THAT is why.
“I expect to be disappointed, again. I was a huge Harper supporter and a party member, based on his repeated promises to re-write the Firearms Act. Then I learned that no-one in his gov’t even BEGAN to write a new Firearms Act. They never had any intention of keeping that promise.”
Same here. Very disappointing, considering how adamantly they had promised to do away with Bill C-68.
Then there is this:
151. Supply Management
The Conservative Party believes it is in the best interest of Canada and Canadian agriculture that the
industries under the protection of supply management remain viable. A Conservative Government will
support supply management and its goal to deliver a high quality product to consumers for a fair price
with a reasonable return to the producer.
That’s a deal-breaker for me, sorry. “Fair price”, you say? So THREE TIMES HIGHER than the Americans pay for their own milk, eggs, cheese and chicken is a “fair price” for Canada’s lower-income families to endure? And here we all thought you were a party that represents the middle-class and not the Laurentian elites.
As an aside, I came across this:
86. Abortion Legislation
A Conservative Government will not support any legislation to regulate abortion.
So Canada remains pretty much the only country *in the world* with no official abortion law? The feminists must be so proud. I would never allow my vote to be swayed by this issue because it isn’t important to me personally, but still…NO restrictions at all? A woman could legally have an abortion *the day before* she is due to give birth, and no one could stop her? How are the rest of the civilized nations not calling us out for being barbarians? Doesn’t seem right. Doesn’t seem ‘Canadian’.
(but then I also never wanted to see gay marriage in Canada, either. What exactly was wrong with Civil Union…all the same rights and benefits, just with a different name? Again, not a vote-swayer…)
On the plus side, the CPC doesn’t make any mention of residential schools or climate change or gender identity in their official platform, so there’s that. But still: do I trust them? NO, sorry…I do not. Just based on their past broken promises, I would have to call BS on any new promises.
Can’t believe the reaction to a tweet clearly intended to remind people how the carbon tax is killing them at the grocery store. It’s all part of the Conservatives’ ongoing message to axe the tax entirely. The Cons will vote against the budget in any case. Hopefully, enough dippers and blocheads will join them and we can have an election. It can’t come soon enough.
” … clearly intended to remind people how the carbon tax is killing them…”
Oh, sorry. I had it all wrong, I guess. I mean, here I was, cynical old me, thinking it was just a soap opera preview designed to prepare us for upcoming episodes with ever-weakening scripts.
Well, as I have said, expect the PCs to replace the Carbon Tax with a Carbon not-a-tax. No one in the establishment is prepared to deny Holy Writ.
Only PPC is prepared to call the climate scam what it is.
If the cons focused policies on exploration extraction and export of hydrocarbons – spigots wide open – we could eliminate the carbon tax easily. And create millions of jobs and increase productivity.
But again, they have played footsie so long with the fake climate change issue – thereby validating it- that they have painted themselves into a corner.
Other words they are deathly afraid of and as such have handcuffed themselves on being able to present common sense policy:
Islamophobe, homophobe, misogynist, racist
“Other words they are deathly afraid of and as such have handcuffed themselves on being able to present common sense policy:
Islamophobe, homophobe, misogynist, racist”
And the ever-popular ‘deniers’, too.
In order to ever regain any ground, the Conservatives have to not only oppose, but reverse the agenda being pushed by the far-left.
They must STOP, not slow, population replacement levels of immigration.
They must STOP, not slow, using taxpayer dollars to push their far-left agendas directly on to cities.
They must STOP, not fiddle with carbon taxes of every kind.
They must reverse ALL of the programs, funds, departments, etc. created by the Castreau Liberals.
And they must do all of the above quickly, so that they can then still actually do something conservative before 4 years pass. They can’t simply exist as some form of ineffective braking system on a Liberal train steaming full speed off a cliff.
But they won’t. Because they are a controlled opposition party. Pierre AND THE REST OF THE PARTY with portfolios are controlled. They will talk the talk, but NEVER walk the walk.
And like Lucy pulling away the football, conservative voters will keep coming back for more thinking the next time will be different.
Exactly
“But they won’t. Because they are a controlled opposition party. Pierre AND THE REST OF THE PARTY with portfolios are controlled. They will talk the talk, but NEVER walk the walk.
And like Lucy pulling away the football, conservative voters will keep coming back for more thinking the next time will be different.”
Amen to that. Here is a political platform that I can support:
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform
We didn’t get into this overnight and we won’t get out overnight either. Trudeau must go, only Polievre is in a position to beat him and it will take gradual change to both maintain power and slowly turn the boat around. If it’s even possible.
An adult speaks! Thanks.
“Trudeau must go,”
Yes.
” only Polievre is in a position to beat him”
Yes.
” and it will take gradual change to both maintain power and slowly turn the boat around. If it’s even possible.”
NO, sorry. I just can’t agree with that.
It’s not possible Thomas, especially by electing someone who *pretends* to want to change it but really doesn’t. No gradual change will be tolerated by the people in power, and the only way to change anything is to WRENCH that power away from them. The CPC is simply under their control now, just as the old PCP was.
I believe that the only way to effect real change is to refuse to ‘settle’, and to allow things in Canada to get so much worse under the Liberals that the public finally sees reason and allows a third party a shot at fixing things. Yes, it will be painful and many people will suffer before things get bad enough to shake the voters out of their lethargy.
I know the CPC will win anyway, since so many people think (as you do) that they are some kind of viable ‘alternative’ to the Liberal Party (they have been carefully nurtured, advertised and positioned as such)…I just refuse to help them do so while they *sell me out* and laugh about it. At least Erin O’Toole was dumb enough to tip his hand before we elected him…Poilievre is too smart to do that.
I wish I was wrong about all this, but it seems as though we need to destroy Canada first in order to rebuild it, and if we don’t, nothing will ever change.
“I know the CPC will win anyway.”
Don’t be too sure about that. We are living in unprecedent times. Anything and everything is now on the table, up to, and including a narcissist egomaniac like the turd willing to do anything and everything to hold on to power, INCLUDING cancelling the next election!
Think it can’t happen? Well, just look at what the Turd has done to date, and I’m not just talking about invoking the EA ILLEGALLY. I’m also talking about the “supply and confidence” agreement with the NDP, effectively giving the turd MAJORITY control in the HoC.
Did you vote for that???
Regarding Poilievre, I was at a PPC meeting where Max Bernier was asked about Poilievre. To paraphrase his reply “ I’ve known Pierre for a long time and consider him a decent and intelligent guy but also a politician who depends on opinion polls and focus groups to make policy “.
That may be good practical politics for getting elected but I prefer Max’s style and will work for and vote for PPC next election.