At least the Wall Street Journal is willing to step back, however tentatively, from the jingoistic cheerleading choir when it comes to the war in the Ukraine. In reality, Ukraine’s inability to control the skies is going to doom any offensive. And there’s no simple or cheap way to rectify that.
Ukraine had hoped to find gaps in Russia’s fortifications, flood troops through, and cause the kind of havoc that its forces achieved last year among enemy ranks. Instead, unexpectedly dense minefields slowed Kyiv’s initial attacking forces, leaving them exposed to strikes from Russian aircraft and rockets.
Russian drones and attack helicopters, particularly Kamov Ka-52 “Alligator” gunships, have proven particularly dangerous. Ka-52s, which are among Russia’s most modern aircraft, can remain far behind Russian lines and rely on targeting data from spotter drones scanning the front. Their laser-guided Vikhr missiles have a range of roughly 5 miles, which is more than twice the range of any portable antiaircraft missiles in Ukraine’s armory.
Best free Ukraine/ Russia action war movie of 2023 on You Tube. Great war action from start to finish for war nerds (no transvestites to be seen, sorry UnMe).
Weirdly a Wagner PMC production – yet treats both Ukrainian and Russian sides with dignity and heroism.
*Small spoiler, one scene has a Ukrainian soldier accidentally knock down an orthodox religious picture in a church who then uprights it, later when the church is taken by the Russians the picture again falls and the Russian soldier picks it up up and replaces it as his Ukrainian “brother in arms” had done before. A sad state of civil war.
– English subtitled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmDiCVyg8U4&ab_channel=RussianArmedForces
It’s not a civil war. It’s an imperialist war.
Indeed It has transformed from a civil war into an imperialistic war, you only need to ask Blackrock.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/blackrock-plots-buy-ukraine/5803685
The people saying Ukraine shouldn’t exist are the imperialists.
“The people saying Ukraine shouldn’t exist are the imperialists.”
And your mouth-breathing buddy here who keeps stamping his little feet and whining that Russia shouldn’t exist?
Is Colonialista an ‘imperialist’ too?
Facepalm, no, I am the opposite you imbecile. Russia needs to be eliminated because it refuses to f*** off and leave its civilized neighbors alone. Such is Siberian Mongol nature.
Agreed, Colonialista and Allan. What is interesting is the so-called conservatives around here like Fred finding excuses for Russian tyrants raping and pillaging its neighbors. Of course it’s an imperalist war of conquest attempted by Russia.
The people saying Russian lands full of Russians (Donbass and Crimea) should be given to Ukraine are the Imperialists.
“What is interesting is the so-called conservatives around here like Fred finding excuses for Russian tyrants raping and pillaging its neighbors.”
Cgh, they remind me of Trudeau senior during WWII riding through Jewish neighborhoods in a Nazi helmet.
Colonialista, Trudeau in a Nazi helmet? Exactly. These swine give conservativism a bad name. But then shrieking crude insults is all they have. But it’s fun provoking them to see just how far over the line they will go.Their tactics remind me of the worst of socialists. Throw around a little “kill all the Ukes”, and they’re right at home.
@cgh – “These swine give conservativism a bad name.”
So here’s the 100 Billion dollar question = do these “swine” sound more like Donald Trump to you or do they sound more like Rachel Madcow of MSNBC and the girls on The View regarding Ukraine?
Yes indeed, you are with the CBC and Trudeau 100% leftist taking points, not conservative. ALL liberal channels 24/7 agree with you and you are regurgitating those talking points, not a conservative one.
Paul, you are indeed a mad cow. I expect Uncle Vlad to have your cheque in the mail any day now for your Russian disinformation program.
@cgh
Calling me names doesn’t change the fact that it is you repeating the shared view of Liberal Globalists like the WEF and George Soros, and at best “Never Trumper’s” who are well known corrupted swamp creatures in the pockets of the military industrial complex aka: conservative in name only.
well alla ass, cgh ass, and colon ass
Stoltenberg, S G of NATO stated WICE that they ,NATO, have been at war with Russia since 2014. Now what the fcuk part of that is too difficult for you 3 assholes to grasp??????
” . . . the kind of havoc that its forces achieved last year . . .”
They “captured” a few piles of rubble that some Russian troops were camping on ahead of the defensive lines.
By creating that sort of havoc Ukraine can put off defeat by maybe as much as hours.
Last year Ukraine forces drove the invading Russian army, which was on the outskirts of Kiev, back to territories in the south and east. Ukraine then recaptured much of the Kharkiv Oblast, followed by all the lands west of the Dnipro River.
But you know, you do you.
“Invading Russian army” …
OK, if you want to call isolated company detachments numbering 2,000 men covering a few hundred kilometres “The Invading Russian Army” you go ahead.
Those of us who have spent decades studying and analysing the Operational Art from Napoleon to Rommel to Zhukov to Schwarzkopf will continue our usual Operational Analysis.
The rewriting of history has already begun. There were thousands of troops north of Kyiv and Chernihiv. The Ukrainians were outnumbered around 10:1. Yet the Russians were repelled by the heroes.
Thanks, Mr. Jingo!
Get it right. It is a “minor incursion” … certified approved by the US “President”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkL0OeSdrQ
Please say the quiet part out loud … like our “POTUS” did
alla marmot unCOLON
There was a ceasefire agreement ready to sign , and RUSSIA pulled back as a show of good faith, now quit yer effing lying. BorASS johnson the dick intervened to stop that agreement.
Russia pulled back because they were suffering horrific losses, as their army was strung out along highways and nearly immobile, ripe for the picking.
As usual, you just believe the Russian propaganda.
“OK, if you want to call isolated company detachments numbering 2,000 men covering a few hundred kilometres “The Invading Russian Army” you go ahead.”
ROFLMAO, for those interested browse BonDage Sado Maso’s posts from the days following orc invasion. Besides, could you point me to a single example of a “2000 men” company in any modern military force? Please just one example.
~16 companies. ~ 5 battalions’ worth. ~2,000 men. Several such companies were military police and border guards, not frontline assault formations.
Look, I know math is hard, and it is even harder when you are a Bandera-worshipper, or a NATO-fellating Boomer, but please try to keep up with basic math and SOE/TOE.
LOL, you’re backpedaling now. You made up numbers and now trying to salvage some organization structure. Not gonna fly. And a mental defective like you using the a patronizing tone to your betters is truly amusing.
Utter fiction. Putin invaded Ukraine with an army of between 100 to 200 thousand troops. It was a full-blown attempt to annex Ukraine.
Yes, of course, but I still want to see an example of a 2000 man company anyway.
“Utter fiction. Putin invaded Ukraine with an army of between 100 to 200 thousand troops. It was a full-blown attempt to annex Ukraine.”
Oh, wow. You just keep right on believing that, okay? And keep believing that the Ukrainians are ‘winning’, too.
“Oh, wow. You just keep right on believing that, okay? And keep believing that the Ukrainians are ‘winning’, too.”
I will keep on believing that because it’s well documented. It’s one thing to disagree with sending military equipment to Ukraine. It’s another to believe these extraordinarly lies that now seem to be popular.
And is Ukraine winning? Well, Russia sure isn’t.
Do you have a peer-reviewed study citing that? Otherwise it’s misinformation.
If you buy into an actual “invasion”.
Feb 2022 looked more like a small force of arms by the Russians to drive Ukraine and NATO to the negotiating table, which was obviously a big miscalculation for them. Since falling back they have regrouped, re-manned, and rearmed to meet the new understanding of the situation. The current situation while holding 20% of Ukrainian territory tells the tale.
Anyone not calling for peace and an end to this conflict with president Trump is carrying water for the most corrupt psychopathic globalists of our time. They are stealing from you, they are abusing you while you support their theft of your money and freedom. Freedom from not having your kids sexually orientated behind your back as one example.
The sad fact is that up-scaling this conflict with the biggest nuclear power on earth who believes NATO’s involvement is an existential threat to their existence will eventually bring pain and misery on everyone. Your globalist friends will get out of harm’s way and buy themselves a ticket on any ride to any country that survives with the money that they stole from you.
Reasonable and rational people should be calling for an end to this catastrophe, as the censored sober minds do.
“Reasonable and rational people should be calling for an end to this catastrophe, as the censored sober minds do.”
We are, but they keep shrieking about “GENOCIDE!” or some other nonsense.
(which really translates to “Shut up and stop embarrassing me!” I will be happy to, when you stop embarrassing yourself with more ridiculous accusations of “Genocide!”…)
I have seldom read a bigger pile of propagandist hog wash. You must think people are stupid.
Regrettably for you, people aren’t stupid. Russia’s initial invasion was comprized of about 190,000 troops — about the size of the entire Ukrainian army prior to the war.
Not exactly a “small force of arms.” This was a full-blown attempt to annex all of Ukraine, and it failed miserably.
“You must think people are stupid.”
Well, along with the “Never Trumper’s” on the Republican ticket well known for corruption, in the back pockets of the military industrial complex, you are voicing the support & opinions of the mentally ill leftist including the MSM and so called Progressive global Liberalism. Trudeau and WEF ilk for starters.
I do indeed believe that people who shill for the people tearing our societies and nations apart, have unwittingly drank the kool-aid. Stupid or simply easily manipulated that is the question.
I don’t give a rat’s ass who I’m “voicing”. You’re blatantly rewriting history, and you know it. I have no idea how you thought you could get away with such a lie, but it ain’t going to pass muster.
@Killer Marmot
“I don’t give a rat’s ass who I’m “voicing”. ”
Oh I get that, it’s obvious. You should easily understand then that a hell of allot of people don’t give a rats ass about what the girls on The View, MSNBC, CBC, Rachel Madcow and all the other left wing nuts have to say – and they agree with you 100%.
small tip – they don’t have a good track record for truth, accuracy, or the moral high ground on anything.
“Regrettably for you, people aren’t stupid. Russia’s initial invasion was comprized of about 190,000 troops ”
Where do you get that number? I am unable to find any source for the actual number of troops that crossed the border on February 24th…only the number of troops that were *massed* and waiting (and even that number varies from 100,000 to 190,000). US military intelligence estimated that they would only send 40-60% initially…who says different?
If anyone, any where, any longer believes anything coming from mainstream media, they are demonstrably stupid. If they say what time it is, I check my watch. They are carrying water for Eisenhower’s presciently named military industrial complex. They utterly control the networks, Alphabet and Facebook, and until recently Twitter. It now has a more Chinese flavour, but no more trustworthy.
Find as many amateur sources as you can, do your own thinking and reach a conclusion.
Paul … there were 99 comments when I posted this … so I just wanted to say you are 100 … % correct about the Never-Trumper military industrial complexers…
“…rational people should be calling for an end to this catastrophe,…”
You’re not calling for the end of catastrophe. You’re calling for end of Ukraine and for completion of orc genocide.
Actually it is you people that are facilitating the complete destruction of Ukraine, with our tax dollars. This wouldn’t have happened without western interference, the deals for peace were already in place until derailed by the west.
Otherwise Ukraine would have folded in a month without our tax dollars to prop them up. Russia will continue to grind away Ukrainians attacking their defensive positions “to the last Ukrainian”. Now the west is complaining about western low ammunition stocks.
Russia isn’t going anywhere, and they have yet to pull out the Big Guns if they feel the need, sure NATO can upscale and jump in with some boots on the ground as well, then what? You going to jump on a plane to go fight, send your kids to die? Didn’t think so.
At the end of the day Russia either wins or Russia nukes – if you think that was saving Ukraine there’s no helping you.
Should have kept the Minsk accords.
“Otherwise Ukraine would have folded in a month without our tax dollars to prop them up. ”
Yeah, yeah yeah, if only Ukrainians orderly marched into orc torture chambers, orcs would not have to bomb refugee columns. If only Ukrainians willingly gave up their children, orcs would not have to kidnap them for russification. “Never again” said Ukrainians and it is the moral duty of the civilized world to help them and a we owe them for the great favor they are doing for us.
“Otherwise Ukraine would have folded in a month without our tax dollars to prop them up. ”
ROTFLMAO, pray tell what big guns they got in stock that they have not used yet?
“At the end of the day Russia either wins or Russia nukes”
Russia already lost and russia will not nuke anyone. Russian fifth column in the civilized world ought to get dealt with.
Never claimed that, it is just your instant demagogy speaking, shortbus. Just because Russia already lost (and that should be obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell) it does not mean Ukraine does not deserve our help and gratitude.
Also, 35:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjU-ve4Pn4k
So give us our Billions in tax dollars back if they didn’t need it. We have better uses here than supporting a country you claim didn’t need it in the first place.
If Russia has already “lost” by your military expertise, where is our money?
Big guns, is a metaphor for a variety of tactics including kinetic warfare, cyber attacks, espionage and a host of nasty things the west hasn’t been privy to at this point. We aren’t alienating Russia from the world, Russia is alienating us from the world.
I don’t support Russia or Ukraine or the western globalists that steal our money and have left Ukraine to hang, I support us the citizens getting ripped off to pay for all this sh*t……..and President Trump of course who agrees 100% – MAGA.
“So give us our Billions in tax dollars back if they didn’t need it. ”
Again you’re repeating yourself, again it has been addressed.
“I don’t support Russia”
Yes you do. Your intentions don’t count. If you want what Pootin wants, you support Pootin. Besides, you have already denied the right of Ukraine to exists as an independent state so you explicitly side with russia.
Repeating myself was a function of deleting the first half of my comment before the timer counted out, because I realized I didn’t address your question, so added and re-posted. Guess the first half must have gone through, don’t see it on my end.
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Yea, well we can argue that you by default support the Liberal Globalist cabal including Trudeau and the WEF. Next time you stick a mandatory experimental needle in your arm remember that sitting in your tiny home.
Ukraine has every right to exist, it needs to get allot smarter with it’s survival tactics.
“Ukraine has every right to exist, it needs to get allot smarter with it’s survival tactics.”
How do propose they do it under an orc boot? Are you denying that russians have been systematically cleansing Ukrainian intelligence and elites everywhere on Ukrainian soil they set foot on (a practice as old as russia itself, which is to say, since they were created by Mongols)? Are you denying they have kidnapped tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Ukrainian children for russification? That they have been systematically looting and destroying Ukrainian museums, libraries, schools, places of historical significance (including those designated by UNESCO), even Zoos? That they have been conscripting Ukrainian civilians and sending them into bloodiest areas of the front? They want to wipe out Ukrainian culture and heritage? For genocide is the orc way. Always was and always will be. And you support it by claiming that the war Ukraine was fighting was a civil war. And you support it by demanding Ukrainians submit themselves to orc torture rape and murder.
You can’t have it both ways. Don’t even try. You’re in a tank for Pootin, at least have enough courage to be open about it, like the scum of the bdsm variety.
Muscovy delenda est.
P.S. I actually have a pretty nice, spacious house (all paid off) with a decent yard and plenty of parking space.
Well the “survival tactics” are a little rhetorical at this point, like I said earlier they should have honoured the Minsk agreements and told the globalist west to GFT, stayed neutral, and freely traded with east or west. Great centralized economic position to be in.
Otherwise it’s a terrible spot to be in now, everyone including you talked about how backward the Russian pussy’s were and with a few billion here and a few billion there it would be an easy push to Moscow.
So now Russia sits pretty firmly on at least 20% of Ukraine’s most fertile and productive territories, it’s now blockading the Black Sea, destroying all but one of Ukraine’s sea ports in Odessa and about to push a major counter offensive in the north. Of course you insist that “Russia has already lost” meh, we’ll see.
My best guess at “survival” is that Ukraine should start suing for peace and try to get whatever negotiation Russia is prepared to offer at this stage of the game. But that’s just me, I do love the Ukrainian refugees we’re getting we needed them, but I’d rather they had a homeland to return to if they wished to.
Enjoy your house and nice things because your uncle Schwab says you will own nothing and be happy. He’s helped the Ukrainians immensely towards that end with you in full step with him.
*again possible duplicate post
“…everyone including you talked about how backward the Russian pussy’s were and with a few billion here and a few billion there it would be an easy push to Moscow…”
Nonsense, not once have I said anything as ridiculous as that. That is a complete strawman.
“…they should have honoured the Minsk agreements and told the globalist west to GFT, stayed neutral, and freely traded with east or west. Great centralized economic position to be in.”
Are you so delusional to believe this was ever a possibility? Not only Minsk agreements were signed at gunpoint, not only you expect Ukraine’s government to disregard the wishes of majority of the population but you ignore that orcs weren’t going to let Ukraine be independent and open. Orcs continued financing and arming the “independence movement” which was nothing but their puppet. By financing Luganda and Donbabwe terrorist states they continued manufacturing an excuse (that worked only with the gullible) for the invasion while being in constant violation of the agreements themselves.
They have contently meddled in Ukrainian politics, corrupted the country and insisted on their “sphere of [syphilic] influence” (meaning defacto control of Ukraine). Ukraine had two options: subjugation and becoming Belarus 2.0 or strive for freedom from Orgrimmar. And Ukraine had every right to choose the later.
Besides Ukraine in NATO have only become an issue after orc invasion. It was not an issue in 2014 and even as late as 2020 majority of Ukrainians were not interested.
“*again possible duplicate post…”
It is honestly hard to tell with you.
P.S. Nice dodge on the simple fact that orcs are commiting a genocide.
Well whatever you say I guess, I’m simply debating a radical aka – a moot point.
It’s not like you or I have any sway on the outcome. You have made some BIG proclamations of “truth”, better hope those comments don’t come back to bite your future SDA credibility since you seem proud to have been commenting here for at least 10 years. It will all be remembered, it will resurface.
“Feb 2022 looked more like a small force of arms by the Russians to drive Ukraine and NATO to the negotiating table, which was obviously a big miscalculation for them. Since falling back they have regrouped, re-manned, and rearmed to meet the new understanding of the situation. ”
I read an article by a military historian who claimed that Russia has a documented tendency to jump into conflicts undermanned and unprepared for the situation on the ground, but after initial mistakes and losses they quickly re-assess and get it right (or at least more right) the second time. Seems to be the case here.
@Fred from BC
Agreed, the Russians made some bad assumptions and so did the west. I remember people on here last year going along with the MSM about Russians still living with outhouses and fighting with trench shovels.
The reality is that Russia has manpower, manufacturing, and technology to rival western capacity. Can’t remember the last time Russians hitched a ride to space with NASA because they couldn’t provide the rockets.
There’s allot of BS going on here that is getting allot of people mostly Ukrainians killed. Russia is not a bunch of Afgani goat herders you can simply push off into caves with a few planes and helicopters (didn’t exactly win that one either).
From nuke subs to ballistic & hyper-sonic missiles, they will scorched earth Ukraine or even the west if they think they are going to lose their nation to – in their words “the satanic west”.
The only hope for the Russia haters will be a coup or economic collapse within Russia and that dream isn’t aging well either.
“Last year Ukraine forces drove the invading Russian army, which was on the outskirts of Kiev, back to territories in the south and east. ”
Last year, yes.
This year, the current Ukrainian ‘counteroffensive’ has retaken about 1.5 kilometers of land at a cost of 3-5 casualties per 100 meters. Do the math (or maybe read the article). It’s over…start the peace talks before thousands more Ukrainians die for the profits of greedy, exploitative multinational corporations.
I was responding to kfg’s ludicrous claims that last year Ukraine captured “a few piles of rubble that some Russian troops were camping on ahead of the defensive lines”.
I think we can both agree that this was unmitigated horse shit.
“I was responding to kfg’s ludicrous claims that last year Ukraine captured “a few piles of rubble that some Russian troops were camping on ahead of the defensive lines”.
I think we can both agree that this was unmitigated horse shit.”
Fair enough.
Killer
Thing about the Fog of War, leaders of the war are usually in a Fog because they don’t estimate or care about the Enemies Determination to win the next battle. Just because you’re making progress for the last year doesn’t mean you’re not going to make mistakes going into the next phase of the war. Russian force’s corrected mistakes they made And made Ukraine suffer. I’m fully for the underdog, but when other countries no longer provide support Ukraine is going to be screwed. just having memories of my years in Vietnam, everybody, including the leaders got tired of the war, walked off
and left a friggin filthy mess.
I am not at all certain about how this war is going to end, but right now it’s Russia which is falling back, not Ukraine.
And while it’s possible that NATO members stop sending equipment to Ukraine, it’s also possible that Russia runs out of heavy equipment first. It’s also possible that Putin falls from power, and then all bets are off.
Killer
also possible that Russia runs out of heavy equipment first. It’s also possible that Putin falls from power, and then all bets are off.
Agreed, My point. Fog of War.
It will serve his ass just right for starting this mess.
Biden doesn’t deserve any credit. He gets involved in a land War and didn’t Supply any airpower. if it’s ever over he doesn’t care he’ll be long gone.
Asshole.
What is it with Democrats and air power, Kennedy did the same thing with Cuba and lost his only War.
“I am not at all certain about how this war is going to end,”
It’s going to end with a ceasefire, negotiations and a peace agreement. It can’t end any other way.
“but right now it’s Russia which is falling back, not Ukraine.”
“Falling back” is a drastic overstatement. Sitting back and watching the Ukrainians sacrifice themselves against heavy fortifications is probably more accurate…the Ukrainians have already lost some of the trenches they initially took (at great cost). Military doctrine says that to overcome a heavily dug-in and fortified enemy, you must have ground troops, armor *and* air power. Ukraine has no air power to speak of, and isn’t likely to be ready to fly any F-16s until next year.
I feel for them, but they are being exploited and sacrificed for profit.
“I’m fully for the underdog, but when other countries no longer provide support Ukraine is going to be screwed.”
That’s for sure. Europe is already getting to that point.
“Thing about the Fog of War, leaders of the war are usually in a Fog because they don’t estimate or care about the Enemies Determination to win the next battle.”
Apparently they always tend to try and fight the last war, too.
For Eugenicists, war and pandemics go together like insect laden peanut butter and synthetic meat jelly. World War 1 and the Spanish Flu, now COVID and the Ukraine/Russia proxy war with Victoria Nuland cheering along on the sidelines. The Hegemon is willing to fight the Russians down to the last Ukrainian and if your objective is population reduction then every death on either side is a victory.
Meanwhile, we’re told that the measures against Russia are “safe and effective” whilst those in charge of the cheer leading enrich themselves off the contracts generated by the war and rebuild.
Somewhere, someone is lying on a beach on Epstein Island, collecting 20%
Sorry on a roll.
30 minutes ago Joe Biden said that we were running out of ammunition to supply the ukrainians.
2 weeks ago he wanted to shut down all the gun manufacturers and ammunition suppliers.
If you know of any world leaders that’s more stupid than that,
please send me a picture.
“If you know of any world leaders that’s more stupid than that,
please send me a picture.”
Trudeau comes to mind, but then he is hardly a ‘world leader’…
Biden’s dementia is getting worse.
Trudeau is the leader of 400,000 useless pieces of human garbage, or bureaucrats as I call them.
Wow. That report is a real Colon-blow.
Heeheehee … a Colon-oscopy!
Cleans out the pipes … of effluent.
The lovers of Forever War Inc. cannot be convinced of anything but the wonderful smell of their own gas.
The smell of cluster bombs in the morning … it smells of … futility and frustration.
Das Pravda. Tse Pravda. Funny how close the two languages are but it’s not a civil war.
@Thomas
The initial violence began in the Donbass between Ukrainians – Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians.
The west took advantage of the situation as did Russia to further their own goals. The difference lays with the Wests well documented economic imperialism against foreign nations. Russia’s interests lay in the fertile western Ukrainian/ Crimean region that has historically been Russian (Their beliefs regardless of the naysayers).
Each has used a civil conflict to expand their economic and territorial expansion.
If the west was honourable they would have stuck with the Minsk agreements and allowed the eastern part of Ukraine to become independent Ukrainian provinces (much like Quebec in Canada). Instead Angela Merkel bragged that the Minsk agreements were only in place to buy time to build Ukraine military for direct conflict with Russia.
Regardless it is all moot at this point, we can only hope that Ukraine will be able to exist in some form when this is over, and hope that it doesn’t continue to escalate to our own borders beyond simply looting our treasuries as it has done so far.
Completely false. The initial actions in the east are from a force of Russians lead by Girkin.
How do you think “rebels” had state of the art gear in 2014?
@Allan S
I get that you drank the MSM and are agenda driven so your responses will be skewed to fit your narrative – However I clearly said “The west took advantage of the situation as did Russia to further their own goals.”
Including the admissions before the US Senate.
“The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made” – July 15, 2015
https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
“Why Victoria Nuland Is Dangerous and Should Not Be Confirmed” – February 11, 2021
*scroll to “Ukraine”
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2021/february/11/why-victoria-nuland-is-dangerous-and-should-not-be-confirmed/
The lexical similarity between Russian and Ukrainian is 62%. By comparison, the lexical similarity between French and Spanish is 75%.
Are we to assume, then, that the Franco-Spanish war of the 1600s was a civil war? Interesting take on history.
“lexical similarity between Russian and Ukrainian is 62%”
Interesting – presumably that refers to word similarity (nouns, verbs, adjectives, ..) – what about the two grammars?
Johan i. Kanada:
Keep my grammars out of it. They’re not even Slavic.
Oh, those grammars. They’re quite similar, but not identical.
https://www.mondly.com/blog/ukrainian-russian-similar/
The two languages separated at least five centuries ago, and some scholars say more.
“Are we to assume, then, that the Franco-Spanish war of the 1600s was a civil war? Interesting take on history.”
No, we are to assume (as Paul said) that both sides of this initial conflict were Ukrainian. Doesn’t matter what language they were speaking.
Spaniards are Spaniards and the French are French. English is part of the Indio-Germanic family of languages if I remember correctly.
@Fred from BC
Precisely. There are as many genetic, cultural and religious exchanges regardless of language as well.
Take the American civil war – plenty of genetic, regional dialects, and overt cultural differences but they were still Americans.
A reasonable article, that I doubt any of the broshevick tankies venting their spleens above bothered to read, or have an attention span to remember what the beginning was about by the time they read about a third of it. The article still omits that despite being on the defensive orcs still continue suffering disproportionate loses by all accounts. Apart for that it is what I said here: https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/07/18/down-the-primrose-path-54/#comment-1794219 and elsewhere in the thread. Yet somehow to the retarded it sounds as repudiation of my points. Not surprising really. Far be it for me to accuse orc supporters of overabundance of brains, morals or ability to think critically. Ok then.
The summer counteroffensive by the Ukrainians failed. They never had a chance against prepared Russian defenses. And we all know it’s true otherwise glowing articles and reports would be aired by the media how the courageous Ukrainians defeated the hordes of Russians. Zelensky was treated like the smelly kid at the NATO summit. There are press gangs in Ukraine. NATO is running out of ammo. NATO’s gambit to weaken the Russians with a proxy war failed, and they are in a panic. Yes, they will fight this war to the last Ukrainian. For alternative and informed viewpoints on the war, look up Colonel Douglas Macgregor. He’s no armchair general. At one point hired to Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense. He’s on youtube and other platforms. Not one of the “all accounts” mentioned here on the thread about the Russians suffering disproportionate losses. It’s rather the other way around at least now. It’s nice to have an alternate viewpoint from the Western propaganda; he’s certainly not pro-Russian, but he is very knowledgeable about warfare, the region and the history between the two adversaries and the various actors. Listen to what he has to say and then look around and figure for yourself who’s lying.
“The summer counteroffensive by the Ukrainians failed. They never had a chance against prepared Russian defenses.”
That’s true, but they were also told that if they didn’t show *some* territorial gains that the flow of money and weapons from the west would dry up. So they sacrifice themselves like lemmings to gain a few hundred meters of territory back, only to lose half of it back the next day. Shameful.
” And we all know it’s true otherwise glowing articles and reports would be aired by the media how the courageous Ukrainians defeated the hordes of Russians.”
Oh, absolutely. The silence speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
The Dumbest Arguments About Russia’s War on Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjU-ve4Pn4k
1:13 Why not negotiate?
18:15 NATO!!!
31:15 But they bombed the Donbas for 8 years
35:24 Why pay them ludicrous amounts of war-funds
39:15 UkRaInE Is LoSiNg
Pretty much refutes all the vatnik nonsense, above.
It sure saves time scrolling by the folks who treat this site as their personal propaganda blog. Who reads this long winded tripe? Get your own blog so I can better ignore you.
Let’s be realistic: Fighting Russia ain’t like fighting a pack of goat herding Jihadis in the Middle East. They have vast resources of manpower, a huge industrial base and a proper army. Anyone who thinks defeating Russia will be a mere matter of marching is going to be in for a massive shock.
Beating down a third world country and rolling in like its 1942.. But that’s not the case here.. We have two functional modern militaries setup on the defense for the other guy to make the big offensive mistake..
Its war right?.. Ukraine took some unimportant ground back in the hope that Russia would hit back hard.. It was a old as the hills trap..
While not free, Russia didn’t mount a counter offensive into the meat grinder.. But then again was the Ukrainian offensive a real offensive with strategic objectives?..
As far as war goes.. This one sucks for everybody involved.. Tanks are useless without an army around them and nobody can move armies around anymore.. Its WW1 again..
WWI again indeed. With about as much purpose. Or the US Civil War with Ukraine as the Confederacy albeit with Allies. Meat grinding, war of attrition that they can only lose.
This used to be a decent blog. Now it’s just a Nazi-worshipping clusterf**k. WTH happened?
I dunno. Which side are the Nazis?
“This used to be a decent blog. Now it’s just a Nazi-worshipping clusterf**k. WTH happened?”
The Simpletons ™ happened.
Colonialista, cgh, Allan S, B2admirer and one other that I can’t remember.
The Simpletons. I like that. Facts and nuance elude simple minds.
Fred
Give the COLON a break, I think the girl is bi-polar, or maybe Bi-sexless!
I used to be a service tech, and analysis was a critical part of the job, so recognizing good analysis is easy for me. And as some one above noted ,McGregor , Johnson, and a few others, who do not post their shit on the LLLSM, but on Conservative blogs. The fools you identify use LLLSM article to wash their brains, and lie to themselves.
I had no idea SDA was supposed to be tailored for your delicate sensibilities.
alla unKILLER
I live in a world full of IDIOTS, and you are only one of those, so no big deal for me!
@ Killer Marmot
Are you 12? WTF?
“This used to be a decent blog. ”
When was that? When you were posting as 5trad|varius, or as 5antayana’5 Ghost, or as Remember That, or as The Awful Truth (yeah that’s him)? You’ve been away for about a year? Looney bin, I presume.
Colonialista and Killer Marmot have not bothered to research the Kharkov operation.
Hey, Colonoscopy, it’s OK to be retarded. Don’t feel bad.
And we’re reduced to calling each other names. No thanks. Scroll on by.
@ Thomas: Come on over to Dreizin and Andrei Martyanov (smoothiex12). Hard data and cold facts, rather than BS Ukro-N@z1 Banderite rubbish.
Yes please Thomas, go there.
Hey, what’s a Nazi or two when Forever War Inc. is on the march?
Kate.
The Russian Ukrainian War is a hot button thanks for pushing it now and then.
Our Instigator in Thief blows up the natural gas pipeline destroying alliance within Europe’s ability to continue any kind of help then he tell us this is a war we have to win then he goes out and does everything he can to destroy Our involvement.
‘Leader of the Free world’ Bull Sh!te.
Lead him to a hospital for the mentally despaired
Hell of a lot of words spilled by a lot of people who do not have any f****** idea what the hell is going on in the war in the Ukraine.
Just so. They know what they’re supposed to believe and love to repeat it with utmost enthusiasm and then spew bile at anyone who questions their narrative.
I am still jittery 40-odd years after I first experienced incoming mortar fire. Telegram videos don’t do justice to it. The bang is visceral when they land. And that was a “small” calibre mortar.
Being a NATO trooper fighting in Ukraine consists of sitting in a stinking slit trench for 6 weeks, and gingerly dodging drones, tanks, and random snipers, and then one day “BOOOooommm!” and half your platoon are in pieces and you have no legs and are trying desperately to put your guts back in.
BINGO…
You just nailed it.
Far to many arm-chair combat troops not really knowing what war really is.
Maybe a few should enlist in Ukraine military, and really see what war is like and who is winning. If anyone really is.
Do not ask me. I’ve done my fair share.
In WWII, Patton liked to press any retreat and vigorously exploit any success because he knew that if the Germans had the time, they would organize a defense and be far harder to defeat. The Ukrainians have been saying for months “the counterattack is coming!” They lacked the resources or will to attack immediately, while defenses were not organized. Russia has had the time to organize an extensive defense, and knew all the places that would be attacked. The result, all the rah rah about the grand Ukrainian offensive was just hype. They have run right into prepared defenses and been stopped cold, just as one would expect, if one knows anything about history and warfare, which few do today.
Example: El Alamain, Montgomery had at least twice the force that the Germans had, in some cases more (far more artillery and tanks, for instance). Despite that, it took days to crack German defenses that looked very like the Russian defenses today. Ukraine has no where near Montgomery’s advantages, yet they put out rah rah as if victory was inevitable.
Ukraine put themselves in a position where politically, they have to attack, gave the Russians far too much time to prepare, have far too little combat power to succeed, yet must attack anyway. The likely result, Ukraine will take great losses. They may even take great enough losses that Russian will be able to launce a war winning counterattack. At the very least, at the end of all this, Ukraine, and NATO, will be weakened. Russia either wins small or wins big, but Russia wins. This is the verdict of all history. Any other idea is simply propaganda and hype.
This has all happened before.
@ Nightfall: The few “operational” successes (i.e. NOT local company-level counterattacks) were cases like Kharkov – the most famous. Three (or four, depending how you count the assets used) brigades of Ukrainians hit an area the size of the El-Alamein front, held by about 2,000 Russian MoD Police and Border guard rear-security personnel (REMFs). They were deployed in company groupings, absent ANY higher echelon fire or ISR support. They did the smart thing: withdraw to strong, defended, reinforced positions, suffering paltry losses aong the way. That really was the biggest single territorial recapture by the Ukrainians, and it involved very little casualties on both sides. Classic Western Desert ww2-style operational maneuvering.
Wherever the Ukrainians DID run into determined Russian resistance, the results were very high casualties for both. But against an enemy that has 5 times your active military strength, trading attritional losses is a mug’s game. As Rommel learned at Alamein.
I don’t understand the desperation of the supporters of Forever War Inc. to convince the rest of us and the countless posts to that end. Are they being paid to do so?
Oh, remember that attack by Ukraine a while back that retook a lot of ground? Well, at the time, the areas (two of them) attacked were isolated, had had troops withdrawn from them to support other areas, the areas were militarily useless to Russia anyway, in some cases had been isolated from the rest of the Russian forces and cut off from supplies, and one area was largely manned by troops who were not Russian and thus of low moral. Ukraine seems to think that, despite the fact that all these factors do not apply now, the result will be the same. It is politically necessary for them to do so. That is, it is necessary for the government of Ukraine to keep the people behind them by simply putting out a lot of rah rah BS. The result will be that they will lose many men, and quite possibly this war, or at the very least, part of this war, and part or all of their country.
Remember Blitzkrieg? It depended on attacking weak enemies, such as Poland (aided by the USSR), France (many weaknesses in their army), and Russia (also many weaknesses in their army at the start). When the Germans attempted to continue that winning steak, they ran into a prepared enemy, which just happened to be Russia, and were first stopped cold, and then crushed. History is repeating. Blitzkrieg (called in this case “Thunder Runs”, in one sector, same thing) historically only works in the above circumstances, a weak and unprepared (or ill prepared, in the case of France) enemy. This “Blitzkrieg” will fail and is failing. You do not hear about the heavy losses Ukraine is sustaining because, surprise surprise, most of what you hear about this war is rah rah BS. A few of us out here know history, and know what rah rah BS looks like, and are not fooled.
I wonder how long it will be before “disloyal” people such as myself will be attacked? Let us all now join in the five minute hate of Russia. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. You must love Big Brother. It is not enough to obey him: you must love him. Just as it is not enough to accept Tranz and Queers, you must celebrate pride Month. You can be attacked for insufficient enthusiasm.
This has all happened before.
Dustoff
Thank you for pulling our buttocks out of the mud.
We had a fine medic that would share his Morphine.
Hard to find doctors like those anymore. Ha-
Thanks for your service-Fearless Leaders.
Bull Shite I was More afraid than anyone else, Just trying not to show it.