Down The Primrose Path

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1. Waiting for colonoscopy to comment.

   1. He’s working up some nasty names to call you. That’s all he has, after all.

      1. I take it Irony is a foreign concept to you?

         1. Quick, without looking it up, define irony, Alanis.

         2. Ironing is a foreign concept to me, but I’m just a wrinkled old man.

2. I guess we’ll all just have to continue to ignore the inconvenient truth and get behind Zelenskyyyyyyyy. Is that enough y’s?

3. Nazis wroship Hitler.
   Russians worship Stalin.
   Stalin killed more russians than Hitler.
   Staling killed more people than Hitler.
   So how are Nazis worse than russians? Serious question.

   And that is of course apart for the fact that Ukrainians are not Nazis, and what russians have started with Holodomor and want to finish now is the crime in the magnitude of Holocaust, or that there is plenty of actual Nazis among russians like Wagner (old cadre) or Sparta.

   One could also point out that these symbols have entirely different connotation to Ukrainians than to gullible Westerns, and that idiots in the West could finally figure that one out, instead of demanding that Ukrainians be sensible to western precious feelings.

   But let’s face it, this is all irrelevant to the Pootin propaganda regurgitating crowd who just want to scream “nazi, nazi, nazi” like our PM at the Freedom Convoy protest (and are about equally genuine).

   1. “So how are Nazis worse than russians? Serious question.”

      Immaterial. National Socialists and Communists are one and the same. Both were utterly monstrous. And the Russian tsars were no better. Russia has been a repository of tyranny for the last thousand years.

      “But let’s face it, this is all irrelevant to the Pootin propaganda regurgitating crowd…”

      Such are the diseased individuals who actually want a Tsar Vlad victory.

      One of your better comments in weeks, C.

4. Is there a country that hasn’t used the death head symbol? Maybe the guy admires the Royal Lancers of the British Army, or pirates. The US 45th Infantry Division used the Swastika before WWII. The Finnish Air Force used it until recently.

5. *Russia blows up the Khakovka dam creating a cataatrophe*

   BUT DID YOU SEE THE PATCHES SOME UKRAINIANS WEAR?

   1. I doubt the Russians blew up the dam. If you look at the topography of the river downstream of the dam the north bank, controlled by Ukraine, is steep and maybe 30 to 40 meters above the river so Uke positions won’t flood. But the south bank is low wetlands and the Russian positions will flood. Plus the canal to Crimea will be dry shortly. Plus the hydro power plant was on the south side so more or less in Russian control but that will be gone now.

      It makes no sense the Russians would do this, but guaranteed the western propaganda machine will be in full screech about Russian war crimes.

6. During WWII the Germans created Ukrainian Waffen SS units to fight the Russians, with the promise of revenge for the holomodor and independence for Ukraine after the war.
   To the Ukrainians, those soldiers were heroes, as are today’s Ukrainian soldiers, for fighting the Russians .
   I’m unsure how much the average Ukrainian knows about the Nazi atrocities. Stalin and his successors had total control of the media from school books to movies and they systematically labelled monuments to the Einsatzgruppens’ victims in the USSR as “innocent citizens” leaving out the fact they were Jews.

   1. Valid point about lack of knowledge. There are multiple reports that soldiers wearing UPA or Nordic runes have no knovledge about Odessa Pogroms of Volhynian Genocide* when asked about it. To them, the symbols they wear are symbols of Ukrainian resistance to russian occupation nothing more, nothing less.

      A crime that, pearl clutching, tankies care about only to use as a convenient bludgeon against Ukraine and would not give a damn otherwise.

   2. My guess is that Stalin didn’t exactly have a soft spot for Hitler and let it be known about the Holocaust.

7. In other words, a pox on both their houses.

   1. No, just on russians.
      Slava Ukraini!
      Muscovy delenda est.

8. Nazis liberated Ukrainians from Stalin’s rule, however briefly. If people don’t know how brutal the Holodomor was they will never understand the association. The Ukraine, despite their best effort to fight their way free from Stalin’s rule still ended up behind the Iron Curtain. Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill were allies during WWII. Do you think fighting age Ukrainians that are picking up rifles to kill Russians right now are going to identify more readily with nations that historically sentenced them to an additional 4 decades of suffering under communist rule, or rally behind a symbol that briefly liberated them? Last time I checked, they weren’t building big ovens.

   1. “Last time I checked, they weren’t building big ovens.”

      Not yet. Give them time, and they will. Europeans, right? That’s how they roll.

      The Russians probably are, we’ll no doubt find that out later. Everything else they’re doing is right out of the Uncle Joe Stalin handbook. They really are the most despicable goblins in all of Europe.

      There’s not a good side here. That’s why there’s no Ukrainian flag on my blog. However I will say that if the Russians came to Canada, there’d be a big fat skull patch on my rig somewhere. Probably the Punisher one, its pretty cool.

      IMHO an asteroid is called for.

   2. You’re a rare voice of common sense, Mr. Coyne, you’re a refreshing change, if you’ll forgive the pun. There really is no direct connection between affecting Nazi symbolism and endorsing and committing genocidal war crimes. No doubt they work better in combination but one can easily do one without the other.

      Any Ukrainian with a Ph.D. in modern history specializing in the Holocaust could be expected to understand Nazism in full, and would deserve the harshest criticism for endorsing it. The average citizen can’t be held to such a standard. “These were the people who saved us, and this was their symbol. If you don’t like it, it’s not your business.” That’s a legitimate position, and hard to argue with.

      Now the Orc Dork of local repute is as staunch an anti-Nazi as you could ask for. That doesn’t hold him back from endorsing genocide or cheering on war crimes. Show him a death camp with a swastika on it, and he recognizes the evil, but concludes that the evil was all in the swastika, and that the death camp part was actually pretty smart. He’s been asking how the Nazis were worse than the Russians, when that’s obviously not the comparison. The Nazis were no worse than the Communists. But the Germans weren’t worse than the Russians, and in the Ukraine, they behaved conspicuously better. Both armies were capable of humane and even chivalrous behaviour when not subject to strict party discipline, but party discipline was more seriously enforced on the Russians, and Communist policy was as brutal and murderous as Nazi.

      There are people – on both sides – in Ukraine who are committing terrible and tragic crimes. We could possibly focus on that rather than on the dress code.

      1. “That doesn’t hold him back from endorsing genocide or cheering on war crimes. Show him a death camp with a swastika on it, and he recognizes the evil, but concludes that the evil was all in the swastika, and that the death camp part was actually pretty smart. “

         That actually is a perfect description of a typical, average on the street, russian, today and at every moment in history. The sooner you will realize that, the sooner you can be expected to grow up and stop equivalizing the two sides by regurgitating the tired “There are people – on both sides – … [and some commit] tragic crimes.” Bullshit, no there are not. One side occasionally does something objectionable while in the defense of their homeland. The other does evil as routine, as universally approved policy, as consequence of their bestial culture, as literarily a consequence of what being Russian really means. There is no comparison between them. Ukrainians don’t have to be saints for Russians to be universally evil and in need to disposal on every occasion.

         “He’s been asking how the Nazis were worse than the Russians, when that’s obviously not the comparison. “

         It is obviously the comparison. Exactly the right comparison. Nazis weren’t just the party, just some detached element of German society (it was called Nazi Germany for a reason). And just like overwhelming majority of Nazi Germany society at the time loved Hitler, russians love Pootin now.