Michael P Senger- The Great COVID Ventilator Death Cover-up
This practice of prolonged intubation was apparently consistent with guidance from China. As Zeynep Tufekci had put it, “Chinese scientists” advised “many COVID-19 patients need to stay on mechanical ventilators as long as four weeks.”
The New Yorker featured a harrowing account of one early victim’s final moments before he was put on a ventilator and died—even though he didn’t even “feel sick” at the time he was intubated.
A study in JAMA later revealed a 97.2% mortality rate among those over age 65 put on mechanical ventilators. Patients over age 65 were more than 26 times as likely to survive if they were NOT placed on mechanical ventilators.
” study in JAMA later revealed a 97.2% mortality rate among those over age 65 put on mechanical ventilators. Patients over age 65 were more than 26 times as likely to survive if they were NOT placed on mechanical ventilators.”
Does this take into account confounding factors ie the fact that those intubated were likely in worse shape to begin with?
Apparently, you can’t read or do math. Anyway you look at it, the cure turned out to be worse than the disease or are you suggesting 100% would have died otherwise?
Okay so you don’t understand what proper study design is. Thanks for playing.
Also, there is no ‘coverup’ of this issue. It’s been discussed elsewhere, more competently.
I understand your function here. Lying, claiming things without evidence, trolling and supporting the administrative state in all things. I think I’ll go back to ignoring you. It’s better for my peace of mind.
97.2 percent is not high enough for UnMe. Maybe if it was 100 percent he would consider it bad practice. The surviving 2.8 percent probably extubated themselves. There are none so blind etc.
“I understand your function here. Lying, claiming things without evidence, trolling…”
Wrong, Thomas. His sole function is self-satisfaction. Every time someone responds, he chokes his chicken.
Think about how bad you’d feel if (when) you learned that you contributed to his cause of death: strangulated weenie.
It’s not a troll. It’s a good question.
It could be that ventilators caused death. Or it could be that patients were only put on ventilators when their prognosis was grim, and they would likely die anyway. Both situations might produce that 97.2% death rate.
There are fundamental issues here regarding cause and effect, and if you should have instantly recognized that.
Yes, never feed the troll.
@ Killer — “it could be that patients were only put on ventilators when their prognosis was grim.” No . . . Hospitals in the States were paid extra to put people on ventilators.
“o . . . Hospitals in the States were paid extra to put people on ventilators.”:
Maybe, but they were limited by the number of ventilators and by doctors’ discretion. Most doctors are not going to put patients on ventilators unless they have severe pneumonia, in which case the patients’ lives already in jeopardy.
No cover up, but it’s been discussed more competently elsewhere.
Yabut, here you are discussing it with no competence. Always with the “alleged” higher authority. But never with even a trace of any sort of proof. Just the same old crap “my source is better than yours!”
The question is a good one, and obvious to those who work with statistics.
The answer has been obvious for nearly three years. You’re part of the reason nobody trusts the medical system.
Do some research. Honest doctors have said that this was exactly the wrong thing to do with a virus causing the symptoms that it displayed and it should have quickly became obvious that intubation was killing patients. So almost everyone intubated dies yet they kept doing it rather than even try ivermectin. Of course, many things concerning the “pandemic” should be obvious to us by now. The day Unme shows anything resembling intelligent thinking has yet to occur. He probably works for Pfizer.
Cite that research.
To “killer:”
Maybe he can’t cite that research. It seems that any time someone puts up more than one reference link, the post goes into moderation. That’s happened to me several times.
So I’m going to give “Thomas” the benefit of the doubt, because what he is saying correlates with what I have been observing for the last three years.
They stopped using ventilators. Why is that do you figure? At least they’re not doubling down like with the vaxx. If Pfizer were the only manufacturer of ventilators we’d all be on them now.
Thomas,this is worth repeating.
https://movemequotes.com/when-arguing-is-futile-short-story-of-the-donkey-and-the-tiger/
Is it important how the deck chairs were arranged on the Titanic?.
Another way to frame it,” Don’t cast pearls before swine.”
There was no such confounding factors in the early days. Everyone who came and tested positive for the virus got intubated. The positive test was the trigger. Later the test was oxygen saturation. One of the big puzzles of the time was how people could walk around with oxygen sats that should have meant they were unconscious. Later is was discovered that microclots from the virus were interfering with the fingertip oxymetre readings. But a lot of people died from the vent not the virus.
I think you’ll find that 97.2% is larger than the potential confounding. That means they killed virtually every patient they put it on.
Put it the other way, ~3% survival rate. Tell me about confounding again, eh?
That said, “a study in JAMA” means about as much as a roll of toilet paper. What is of interest is that JAMA allowed a study like that to be published. Covering their 6 o’clock?
So, were most of these ventilators we mass purchased made in china?
It wasn’t the ventilator that killed them it was intubation itself. It was exactly the wrong thing to do.
It is truly remarkable just how many things recommended by the public health “experts” during covid turned out to be exactly the wrong thing to do. People capable of spotting patterns might have some thoughts about that.
Nurses in New York were complaining in Spring of 2020 – see this
https://totalityofevidence.com/frontline-nurse-whistleblower-erin-olszewski/
Erin Olszewski detailed the eagerness to ventilate at the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She pointed out the compensation for the procedure but also the fact as Elmhurst was a teaching Hospital and medical student took advantage of the opportunity to practice a skill they most likely never needed in their future career as a dentist. In other words patients would prematurely be incubated to use as guinea pigs for medical students. And as incubated patients are sedated, they had been less trouble for the staff to deal with too.
As I recall they intubated people who were suffering from anxiety not COVID.
A lot of controversy could be cleared up if a proper retrospective analysis was done on various aspects of the covid response. Including: lockdowns, masking, social distancing, early treatment (lack of), hospital treatment procedures, tendering of contracts, school closures, social and economic impacts (inflation and bankruptcy) , data irregularities, impacts of segregation and discrimination policies, social cohesion/divisions, erosion of trust, vaccine failure etc.
Unfortunately, Canada is the the coldest banana republic on Earth so transparent public inquires are simply not done. Maybe Trudeau can have another friend, relative, Liberal insider or Trudeau foundation associate look into the covid response. Unless, once again, no information can be released due to cabinet confidentiality or national security issues.
“A lot of controversy could be cleared up if a proper retrospective analysis was done…”
That is true, but unfortunately it is also impossible due to people screwing with the numbers. You will -never- find out how many people died of covid and how many died of everything else. By now even the paper charts are jiggered. Because it looks like a lot of people died to make profits for hospitals, and those hospitals will not be keeping records that prove their guilt. Most things like that never get written down. They just get said, and that’s all.
People really do think the medical record is a Holy thing, unless they work in medicine. Then they know it isn’t.
Well said.
It’s unfortunate that the truth will never come out. Let’s face it, when 80% or more went along with the program, can you imagine the uproar if all levels of governments finally came clean on their entire covid response?
The only ones interested in the truth are those in the minority who saw through the theatre, refused to be indoctrinated, suffered the consequences but now just don’t have enough political weight to matter.
We’ll just have to be satisfied knowing we were right and not going to suffer long term side effects from the injections. Schadenfreude will also soothe the anger.
You too Murray, Well said!
Let’s dispel a couple of myths.
There is such a thing as a stupid question.
Everything doesn’t happen for a reason.
This Memorial Day, remember those who sacrificed for no reason at all in today’s world.
Waiting for all of Canada’s TV Dr Ghouls like Michael Warner from M Garron hospital ICU to turn up on TV or Twitter to make a comment on this.
RNrn
Did you know peasants, that in the US and Canada we were denied actual covid treatment in hospitals because-wait for it-if there were viable treatments available they would not be allowed to fast track and approve unproven experimental non-vaccines? Add to that fact that doctors were allegedly paid more money if they provided government approved treatment via ventilators and that drug that causes organ failure. Follow the money- follow the money via big pharma and doctors and politicians and MSM.