111 Replies to “How The War Was Won”

    4. All the comments on the Daily Mail site realize this Zis BS. I was glad to see that. I wondered how this would be received.

    1. It’s not a shotgun, it’s an effective vax booster.

      One lie bigger than the other, can our media not tell us the truth ever???

      C’mon, I should not have to go to Babylon Bee to get my actual daily news!

    2. Agreed. That is a Baikal MP153 12 gauge semi auto shotgun, made is Russia. It would have been ironic, if it wasn’t bullshit.

      1. maybe a 9mm shotgun? Experts tell me they could blow a man’s lungs out!!!

        Or an AR-15 type shotgun? They fire four times faster. Perfect for getting off quick shots at aircraft flying thousands of feet above you.

        /snark

        (yes I do know how guns work 😛 )

    4. Ghost of Kyiv brand hypersonic heat seeking solids.

      100% guaranteed to shatter a turbofan 100% of the time.

    5. Agreed ..unless he had it loaded slugs or buckshot and it was less than 50 yards away.

      The next press release will claim he used a slingshot

    2. Buddy couldn’t fit in the seat. ~:D

      I want that super-shotgun though. If it’ll shoot down a jet fighter, imagine duck season.

  4. If that’s the best actor Elensky and his cabinet comprised of former members of the production team for his popular TV show, playing the president, can invent, then I’d say they’re at the jumping the shark point and the end isn’t far off. The production values have dropped from the halcyon days of green screen and crisis actors to paying off a pensioner, or is he a relative?

    1. Thanks for using “Elensky” as his name. I now feel good about pulling out the Z on my keyboard with pliers back when it became the latest thing.

  5. Another BS story. He is holding a shot gun not a rifle. Journalists can be told anything and believe it as long as it fits the narrative.

    1. If you look at one of the pics further down the article you will see him holding an SKS. Still seems pretty unlikely though.

      1. Unlikely? Bowling 300 twice in a row is unlikely. This what happens when urban Libs who have never handled a gun get in the propaganda biz, there are some city folk I know who would buy this. This is impossible, not unlikely.

        1. I’m sitting here wondering what you could hit on an SU-34 with a single .30 caliber bullet that would take it down. Killed the pilot? Maybe? But would a 7.62×39 out of a crappy SKS make it through the floor of that plane to get the pilot? Doubtful. And two man crew, so no.

          Hit a pump and started a fire?

          Hit a live munition under the wing? Delayed burn, blew up later?

          I’d think it would be really hard to shoot one of those things down with a proper AAA battery. Old fat guy with an SKS? Sorry old dude, doubt it. It would have to be the fluke of all flukes in the world, ever.

          That old guy could even hit the thing at all is already luck, but I’d be willing to allow he could be lucky -if- it was flying at 300 feet and throttled back. In a live fire zone, where the enemy is, like an idiot.

      2. Ground attack pilots, aircraft or helicopter, talk of the magic BB.

        The jet could of been damaged and failing on its own when he popped off a shot.

  7. Think this DM story is the same place on the credibility scale as “SAS sniper kills Taliban instructor who was teaching a beheading class ”

    Sure. Uh-huh ……

  9. If a local peasant can shoot down a fighter jet with a rifle (or shotgun), why do we send millions of dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine?

    Just imagine what he could do with an AR-15.

  10. Right. And a 9mm pistol round will blow the lungs out of your body. Our leaders are just as profoundly ignorant and delusional.

  11. Ha, should have known that I would be far from the first to call ‘BS’ on this.

    I’m not saying a lucky ‘magic’ shot by a citizen would be an utter impossibility, I’m saying that the Ukrainians now have an established history of making up these types of stories. A great story to rally citizens though, which of course is what it was intended to do.

    1. I’d say the old description of “Needle so far round it was reading the maker’s name” wouldn’t go astray

  14. Trudeau and Biden will believe it, and their complacent media will echo their calls for banning shotguns.

    1. trevor, Yeah, and on a high speed jet aircraft, the guy needs a long lead on the nose of the aircraft, close to a kilometer I would guess. LOL!

  16. Definitely not with the SG but maybe a lucky shot with the SKS he’s seen with in the video…but I doubt it. They’re accurate enough on iron sights at 200m at best. Still call BS on this one.

    1. In the US Army we had anti-aircraft practice with M-16’s and M-60 machine guns. Theyd line us up on a firing range and fly delta wing model airplanes made of styrofoam. On full auto we’d blast away.
      The notion was to Infront of the expected flight path make a cloud of bullets and hope the aircraft fly in to the cloud/stream.
      By and large the model just buzzed back and forth unscathed all afternoon.

  19. I think now is the time to take moment to reflect on the some of the other heroes of this conflict. Let us remember the brave sacrifice of those valiant Snake Island defenders.

    May they RIP…with their medals…

  20. Assuming he didn’t use the shotgun, like Randy Johnson hitting a bird with his fastball, I suppose you could get off a lucky shot with a rifle and hit the pilot. Bring on your F-15s Joe!

  21. Let’s not talk about the three thousand dead Ukrainians in the past week or so. All so Ukrainians can rule over ethnic Russians and eradicate their culture. Imagine outlawing French in Canada. Yeah, it sounds ok, but when you roll out artillery and start killing civilians to impose it, then it becomes kind of extreme, maybe even evil. Imagine if it was only all about a proxy war between great powers.

    1. “Ethnic Russians,” you mean the descendants of the ones who took over area from Kulaks, Ukrainians, purged by death from their land during the Holodomor?

      1. Same argument lefties make against us evil white colonialists that committed genocide and stole land from the poor defenseless peace loving natives. Moron.

        1. Is the ad hominem directed against me Doug?
          Are you saying the Holodomor is fiction?
          If not, please tell me how Ukraine was repopulated, and by whom?
          I say it was a very valid example of replacement theory, planned takeover, and extinction of a people.
          Then, and now, by Russians.

          1. Here’s an ad hominem for your to try on: FOAD.

            Who appointed you the mommy here?

            While you’re at it, go back to washing Trudeau’s balls. You obviously believe with him that we’re all guilty of things committed generations ago. But only the people we WANT to be guilty, right? And that justifies murdering innocents NOW? Moron.

        2. Half or more tribes happily joined whites, on account of the age old ethic of the noble savage that weak, or small tribes are to be preyed upon, killed, slaved.

  22. It’s still midnight in Beijing. You need to time the posting of Ukraine Fantasy News links when the Davos-bot is awake.

    1. Memo to Doug,
      My peasant ancestors left Ukraine prior to the Holodomor, from the very region most affected by Stalin’s pogom.
      And Putin has the stated same goals of returning the are to Moscow rule.
      The continuation of a policy that never ended, albeit for the brief period at the start of Ukraine independence.
      I’ve voted against both Trudeaus in every election that I was eligible to. (And never for the NDP either.)
      But you do you, and snipe from the gutter.

      1. Su-34 is not a Doug is a rabid troll who posts under multiple names, you may also know him as as Angel/Ahmed/colonialidiot/ray and many others.

        1. Sorry, first words were spliced with a different post. Doug is still a rabid low IQ troll.

        2. Great. Now Trudeau will classify goose shotguns as anti-aircraft weapons and add them to the ban list.

  23. I shot a coyote at 60 or so yards with birdshot once. Knocked him over but the bugger got up and ran away.

      1. At 1000 yards your shotgun would be used like a mortar to lob that hunk of lead in. Slugs have a rather porcine ballistic coefficient.

  26. Golden BB?

    did he shoot it down by feeding the shotgun into the engine while it was sitting on the ground?

    it’s not Baghdad Bob level, but it’s close

  27. A bird-strike can take down a multi-engine jet, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility. And a 7.62 round, flying at speed, is a bit more lethal than a few sparrows. Some militaries still have in their training how infantry can bring down jets…literally though, it’s a long-shot. [pun intended]

  29. Yeah when a goose goes in the jet intake, it can wreck an engine. So maybe he had a slug loaded, shot in a ballistic arc, and as the round lost to gravity and fell back he timed it so the jet would fly into it…happens every other week or so. /sarc

    1. A goose has a fair bit of heft to it.
      Most turbines can chew it up, its usually during the chewing that the engine flames out, it can be restarted but at low altitude forget it.
      Now a little itty bitty bullet, nah, unless it managed to get through the skin and take out an oil line which is a one in a million shot.

  31. I love the smell of “high-performance fighter jet shot down by single-shot rifle” in the morning…It smells like….VICTORY!! /s (more like bµllsh!t)

  33. Dang.
    Those media critters sure know their firearms.
    Next will be the commercial from the shotgun manufacturers..
    “Our shotgun gets the biggest birds”.

    As this theatre continues,the more I become convinced Bagdad Bob did not die in Iraq.
    Now desperate times call for desperate lies..
    But the Clowns of Ukraine keep stepping on their ….s.

    Is something being lost in the translation?
    Or are our own helpers,”helping” them with their Public Relations?

    1. What’s funny is that this news story is no less bullsh1t than any number of stories we see every day on numerous subjects. Normies are out there saying “you go, old fat guy!”

      This is -representative- of our media, not an exception.

  34. The Su 34 has two engines, so even if by some miracle – and it would be a miracle – it was true that the farmer shot a bullet into one of them, the jet would not crash, the other engine would take the pilot home.

  35. Where have I heard this kind of story before?

    So familiar.

    Did I read it in Orwell’s “1984”?

    Or Soviet propaganda?

    I know I heard something very similar in the past.

  38. For all the doubters and naysayers, just remember – “Anything is possible in an animated cartoon…”

    /sarc

  39. I suppose if you used a rifle and not a shotgun, and struck the low-flying jet in precisely the right spot, something akin to Skywalker destroying the Death Star…

    But how would they know that the rifle did the trick? When jets go down, they usually get spread over a large area.

    Still, taking potshots at Russian jets sounds like a satisfying — if futile — hobby.

  40. Ah yes, the Ghost of Kyiv! Grandma’s pickle jar! Nothing more than feel good propaganda. No real consequences, and mostly social media posts.

    Now oppose this to the Kremlin propaganda:

    – Ukraine is run by nazis
    – the Russian language is banned
    – 8 year genocide in the east
    – biolabs!
    – Maidan was a coup by the west
    – The US promised Russia in the early 90s that NATO would not expand east.
    – Ukraine is incapable of self determination

    Which is worse?
    Which has real consequences?

  41. Collisions with birds bring down aircraft, a collision with a riffle bullet can do that too. Not very likely but stranger things happened at war. I remember reading about a US infantryman who killed a tank driver with a pistol round and stopped the tank from crushing him, the driver was the last crewman live, so a pistol round killed the tank. Still my bet is he was shooting at an aircraft that was already damaged and going down anyway. Either way good outcome, top tactical bomber down and two Siberians made good.

    1. -And the story is told…

      A USAF Base somewhere in midwest USA, with F-16’s. Off the end of one runway was a small hill, and on the far side of the hill was a sheep farm. The pilots discovered it was a GREAT gut-laff to lift off that runway, zoom over the top of the hill, drop-down low-level, go screaming over the sheep farm to stampede the sheep and then climb out and away. Needless to say, the owner complained mightily; needless to say, the Base did nothing about it and the pilots continued playing their funny game.

      Then a F-16 crashed beyond the farm; the pilot safely ejected but the aircraft converted itself to a smoking hole. Accident investigators recovered the corpus delecti, and the cause of the crash was determined to be a single .308″ rifle bullet that had come up the intake and written the engine off. The chairperson of the inquiry stopped-by the farmhouse and had a chat with the farmer, who’d been a WW2 sharpshooter – why yes, he had indeed shot down the aircraft. Single .30-06 bullet straight up the intake, and why do you ask?

      Well, the inquiry reported this back to the USAF, which promptly advised the farmer that they’d be throwing every book they could find at his head, and some stuff they’d made-up for the occasion, for causing the crash of a modern USAF fighter jet and endangering the pilot, etc etc in due form. The farmer invited them in for (one presumes) a snifter of good Kentucky bourbon, and a perusal of all the duly notarized copies of the many, many complaints he’d sent to the airbase over the years concerning the pilots’ continuing harassment of his livestock, debilitating effects on pregnant ewes, &c &c and would they like copies? He’d already provided full copies to his attorneys, who were looking forward to any ensuing legal action, so he was happy to furnish the USAF the same courtesy in case they’d lost any of the originals.

      The problem went away, and so did the pilots. The story is apocryphal, but I know of a CF-104 that shot itself down on a gunnery range in Germany, with a ricocheted 20mm round that went up the intake. And realizing that the Su-34 was almost certainly at very low level, a 12-gauge slug up an intake would quite possibly take-out one engine, leaving the crew insufficient time to firewall the other engine and respond to the situation. Stranger things’ve happened…

  42. So Metro is in the duck blind when an Au-34 does a fly-by?

    The effective killing range of Metro’s shotgun is 50 yards. The Su-34 is doing 1.8 Mach when it buzzes through Metro’s decoys. At that speed by the time Metro hears the approaching jet, it’s 5 miles past him by the time he shoulders his fowling piece.

    A more likely scenario is that if a Su-34 flew over Metro within shotgun range Metro fouls himself.

    1. The max speed of Su-34 is Mach 1.8, that is at altitude and with no ordinance attached to hardpoints. The max speed at sea level is Mach 1.2 again with no ordnance. Again those are max speeds not travel speeds. Travel speeds are subsonic.

      1. Not to mention, the SU-34 does not have supercruise so if it’s supersonic it’s on afterburner – which means that after five minutes it’s got neither fuel nor turbine blades left; and the pilots really, REALLY do not want to run-out of aircraft over Ukraine just now, the locals are distinctly unfriendly. To quote the USAF on this one, “It is generally inadvisable to eject over an area you just bombed…”

        The impression I get is, for a low-level ground attack run, the aircraft is usually at ~400 kts – anything faster and the pilots can’t spot a target, make final course corrections and pickle a bomb / put the gunsight on target – for the same reason that the hunter can’t react to the airplane fast enough to hit it. That’s a big reason why the A-10 is subsonic – it doesn’t need to be any faster than it is – and why the USAF’s ongoing attempts to replace it with (at one point) the F-16 died on the blotter; the F-16 is very vulnerable to ground fire, unlike the A-10 which was specifically hardened against it.

        Executive summary – the incident is distinctly improbable, but not impossible; and calling B.S. on it doesn’t change that metric. And yes, a shotgun slug or a single rifle bullet can destroy a jet engine running at high power – and if you say it can’t, then you simply know less about jet engines than you think you do. Also, do remember that most 7.62×39 ammunition { – i.e., the SKS – }, especially in Eastern Europe, is copper-jacketed steel. FOD an engine? – oh yeah…

        And there’s one thing nobody can deny – even if the story is indeed B.S., it’s DAMNED good propaganda! SU-34 pilots will need an extra trip to the can before flying low-level over Ukraine in future; and guess who the Ukrainians learned their propaganda from?

    2. An SU-34 won’t be doing Mach 1.8 fifty feet off the deck. You’d make an excellent defence journalist.

      Is shooting down a large military jet with a rifle likely? No. Is it impossible? No. So there’s two possibilities here – the story is made-up Ukrainian propaganda, or it’s the feel-good story of the year.

      1. They are all insane. The propaganda is over the top bad. I don’t believe any news, from any side.

  45. The SU 34 has a top speed of 1200 MPH, and a cruising speed of 810 mph.
    A 12 gauge shotgun shell (He’s holding a shotgun) has a travel distance of around 200 yards.
    Plus a speed of about 395 mps.

  46. Well that SKS he was holding in the original picture has now transmogrified into a shotgun. I wonder why that is. Is it because wholesale distribution of military rifle by the Ukrainian government to civilians make those civilians into combattants? Hope that old bugger has a will, because he is now a legal target. And so is that 15 year old boy that was made to fly his drone over Russian soldiers to pinpoint their position for an artillery strike (story on Global News last month). Another bullshit story, but if you believe it, he was a minor, out of uniform, dragooned by the Ukrainian Army to spy on the Russians… As the story goes, he found them and they artilleried those Russians killing them all. Local boy does good. Incidentally, this is a war crime by the Ukrainians (child soldier, the UN made that illegal, ask Romeo Dallaire) and the Russians can hang him summarily for spying. Oh, and for perfidy too, by posing as a boy while sighting them up for a strike. See how that works? Sure we’d all fight against an invader, but then you are not a civilian anymore. The media ought to think before airing those bullshit stories; pretty soon people will start to think those poor civilians being so mistreated by the eeeeevil Russians deserve the return fire. Pretty sure too that those Russians are at least as smart as our dumbest fighter pilots, and stay above small arms fire. Not hard. If you believe that old goat shot down a fighter, mail me $50 and I promise Ana de Armas will show up at your house wearing only a smile.

    1. “Pretty sure too that those Russians are at least as smart as our dumbest fighter pilots, and stay above small arms fire. ”

      Ugh that’s nice, now find out why they are flying low. Then find out what is the minimal engagement attitude for Piorun or Stinger.

      And for the bonus explain how mass rapes are ok. I am sure you will find a convoluted way to justify it too.

      In the meantime, Siberian Mongols disregard from the start all civilized ROE, act like animals, and ought to be treated as such.

      Michael Williamson explains it well here:
      https://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/cms/index.php/638-the-myth-of-ukrainian-war-crimes

      “Genocide counters any Hague or Geneva restrictions.”

      And that is all that needs to be said.

      1. Generally aircraft will stay out of AA and manpad range by flying above a certain altitude/speed combo. Depends what you expect in the area.

        Mass rapes. I guess you were there and saw them with your own eyes. Not very original, but it always works on suckers. I remember in 1991 we were told Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait were ripping babies out of incubators and killing them, so they could ship all the medical equipment back to Iraq. Turns out the story was bullshit, the Kuwaiti who came up with that fessed up. Remember the “baby milk factory” bombing? Baghdad Bob?

        I’m sure there are plenty of rapes, I mean that. And nobody is excusing those either, perpetrators should be shot on the spot.
        “Genocide counters any Hague or Geneva restrictions.” I don’t see a genocide going on, do you? What I see is a regular war, where one side accuses the other side of atrocities and war crimes, while bragging they are doing the same. They could at least pretend. They could at least hide their Nazi patches.

        The propaganda in this conflict is amateurish. The big powers played stupid games and found out. I genuinely feel bad for the Ukrainians caught up in this mess. But let’s not pretend this war could not have been avoided.

        1. They fly low. Both sides do. Flying high means flying within effective engagement envelope of S300, Buk etc. That’s much more dangerous than manpads and small arms. You fly high after you suppress enemy air defenses. Neither side managed that. Russia has the strongest land based air defenses in Europe, Ukraine second strongest (yes, prove me wrong). Both sides suck at SEAD. Ukraine had limited regional success with HARMs but not enough, same for Russia. If either was fighting against NATO or had stealth the story would be different, but it isn’t. Ergo, both fly low. Plenty of video evidence to prove it.

          Now, this is not to say that I believe the old guy shoot it down. He shot at it, he might have even hit it, but the aircraft was probably on its way down anyway after being hit by something more substantial. Then the hunter claimed it as his kill. So he is no different than fighter pilots from every war.

          Siberian Mongols are responsible for genocide, mass rapes, ethnic cleansing, mass deportations of civilians to gulags, mass child kidnapping and widespread torture in filtration camps, mass looting, mutilation of corpses, even livestock rape etc. This has been well documented by now. Marauding behavior is not punished in russian army, it is SOP. It is indeed the greatest genocide in Europe since WWII. If you choose to willfully disregard all the evidence because Bagdad Bob, then it is on you. I will not bothering proving what is evident. Given what Siberians have done, there cannot be any talk about Ukrainians committing any war crimes. Williamson linked above is right.

          As for NAZI patches on a handful of idiots who were nevertheless fighting the good fight. Don’t care, so do Wagners and Spartans. Somehow those who found a NAZI tattoo on one or two Azovs are never offended by Russians wearing the same tats.
          Besides:
          Nazis worship Hitler.
          Russians worship Stalin.
          Stalin killed more russians than Hitler.
          Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
          How are russians better?

          Yes, the war could have been avoided, if russians accepted that they have no say in the affairs of their betters on their border from Finland to Georgia. Also, if Pootin did not obsess about becoming next Peter the Great (who too was a paranoid sociopath and a murderer).

          1. You can drive the fighters down into AAA and manpads with enought SAMs, a good tactic if they havent taken out the big SAMs. I don’t think gaining air superiority over the theater is part of their doctrine, so they probably don’t have the means to do that. In the video it kinda looks like it’s already coming down, whatever it is. Out of rifle range.
            I know all about the gulags, secret police, genocide, and rape & pillage from the Soviet army, especially during WW2 and after. I’m not a fan of the Russians. Or Ukrainians for that matter. Both have plenty of blood on their hands, although I’d say the Soviets started it. Probably goes back, way back, it always does in the old countries. Nobody’s saying Soviets or Russians are any better than Nazis, they deserve each other. I don’t pick a side between the two, it is indefensible. Two assholes fighting each other. But the propaganda really gets my goat, it’s so lame. Putin is a psycho, Zelinski an installed globalist puppet WEF creature. For all the times they said Putin was a psycho, they still had to poke him and back him into a corner. Maybe that was the plan, there’s plenty of money laundering happening.

          2. There is plenty of propaganda on both sides, sure, at the end it comes down to Ukrainians fighting for their homes, their families, their way of life and their sense of nationhood. And Ukrainians are fighting against whipped by their masters rapist drunken horde who has no business being in Ukraine.

          3. “I don’t think gaining air superiority over the theatre is part of their doctrine…”

            – SERIOUSLY??? It’s been an ultimate and inescapable part of EVERYBODY’s doctrine since at least WW2. Many very large military operations (we’re talking both “Seelowe” and “Overlord” here) were / would have been possible only after air superiority was achieved. Germany’s most decorated man, Hans Ulrich Rudel, sank a Russian battleship in a Stuka, and numerous carriers / battleships (including both of the biggest ever built) were sunk by air action in the Pacific; what price your invasion fleet? Russia’s failure to establish it over Ukraine is why that war is still ongoing, and why Russia is facing at best, a humiliating and hugely expensive draw.

            I’ll sum-up by offering the input of one of the ultimate sources on air power – Hermann Goering, who said that when he saw P-51 Mustangs over Berlin, he knew the war was lost.

  47. Remembering my infantry days, that would be a heckuva lead on a fast mover. Even if the fighter was low (maybe) and slow (unlikely) it would be an improbable hit. One bullet? Russian equipment is known for being rugged, simple, and easy to repair. The equivalent of a .50 cal might damage it. .30 cal or equivalent is doubtful.

    1. Aces of WW2 could shoot another fighter at maximum of about 20-25 degrees of deflection. That’s 20 degrees off their tails. There were a few exceptions (Buerling), but you can count them on one hand. Guns were synched at about 250-300 yards. The fighters had a 35 feet wingspan. So an old geezer with an SKS (now a shotgun) on a jet? How far was he? A 7.63×39 mm (SKS) is not lethal for very far, maybe 400 yards? But you probably know about that. And you’re right about Russian aircraft are tough. The design of modern fighters is usually triple redundant flight controls (even easier with fly by wire), this thing also has 2 engines, the first few stages of compressor probably titanium. Self-sealing fuel tanks, and the structure can probably take a few 20mm hits (since this is what we use for guns). This story reeks of bullshit.

  48. Looks like the Davos bot has been dipping into some of Elenskyyy and Hunter’s supply of blow. He actually believes this steaming pile of Globohomo fudge packer pox.

  50. Golden BB.

    The aircraft was low to avoid the big antiaircraft systems, but high enough to avoid local obstructions, so why not? Any hit was unlikely, but if he was very, very lucky, he might get some thing important. Aircraft are pretty complex and have relatively thin skins. It probably made him feel better get the shot off. And, Damn, he hit one.

    As I recall, when Turkish troops joined a unit in Korea, they’d fire a stripper (5 rounds) in the direction of the Communists. It’s the thought that matters. kind of like a strafing run. Occasionally you hit something valuable.

    Every once and a while……

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