From reader “DN”, on today’s earlier post on spiking ammonia prices;
The lower a product is in the Jenga tower of the modern economy, the more disastrous it is when you screw with it. Hydrocarbons are at the root of absolutely everything. Leftists are trying to replace the entire basis of the modern industrial economy, and they’re trying to do it in a way that has never happened in all of human history. Coal didn’t replace wood, it supplemented it. Oil didn’t replace coal, it supplemented it. Nuclear didn’t replace oil, it supplemented it. Each step involving exploitation of a more energy-dense fuel source didn’t replace the previous source, it merely reduced reliance upon it. People still burn wood and coal, we’re just burning less of it, and allowing it to be used for other things instead of keeping us alive and warm. Humanity will never stop using hydrocarbons; even if we were to replace every oil-fired power plant and vehicle with nuclear/electric, we’ll just redirect the hydrocarbons to places where they’re more profitably used, like fertilizer and plastic.
The one thing that we will never be able to do is “leave it in the ground”. That’s not how a modern industrial economy works. So what the progs are really trying to do is destroy the modern industrial economy – and with it, about 7/8ths of the population of the planet. They are advocating nothing less than deliberate genocide in the service of their Gaia-worshipping death cult. Anyone who knows the basics of science and can perform simple arithmetic understands this. Their ultimate goal is to outdo Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined, by a couple of orders of magnitude.
The funny part is that they think they’ll be the last ones left alive. I wouldn’t bet on that; people facing starvation tend not to go gentle into that good night.
Perfectly summed up, DN. What’s worse is they lie about their final goal and they know we know, but don’t care.
And it all comes down to … feelings. Arithmetic and Science? Ha! It’s all about “feeling” that you’re helping the planet. Feeling that you are helping Indigenous peoples. Feeling that you are helping the poor downtrodden black man. Feeling that everything you do “counts”.
Yes, the vast majority of our comfortable contemporary population … who have been mal-educated by public schools … live shallow lives built on “feelings”. Shallow people are very easily controlled.
The worst part is that renewables can never replace fossil fuels but the idiots running the show can’t understand that. The energy produced by wind, solar, tides is orders of magnitude less than the energy produced by fossil fuels given the same land area for generation and fossil fuels are an order of magnitude worse than nuclear for the same sized power plant. First Nations won’t let their land be used for a fucking tiny pipeline, does anyone really think they will let their land be completely appropriated for a solar installation that in the end will power a couple mid sized cities or one major city? Even worse no one seems to understand that Tesla superchargers take thirty minutes at minimum compared to what? Five minutes to fill up a gas tank? So are we going to have six times as many electric filling stations as gas? Or are people going to have to add hours of additional travel time to account for line ups at electrical pumps? This world is being run by out of touch retards and the millions of idiots endlessly bashing away at Twitter and Facebook cheering them on. Bring on the famine and energy crisis, time for a reset alright but not the one Klaus Schwab wants.
All that pops into my mind … are Christ’s near last words … “Father, forgive them for they know not what they’re doing”. These people who advocate wind and solar as THE solution cannot comprehend just how much land will need to be covered with these contraptions. They don’t comprehend how many toxic batteries will be needed. They don’t comprehend how few miles they will be able to drive their e-cars. They don’t understand just how much $$$$ this will cost while degrading their lifestyles.
We aint seen nothing yet … if these people have their ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE
A study was released 15 or so years ago that said to have wind and solar power just Toronto alone they would have to cover 60% of the surface area of the province with generation farms to ensure a constant supply. No farms, no residences, no businesses, no forests, just windmills and solar panels.
No one seemed to care.
Excellent observation by DN, and john davis is spot on. Bill Gates is one of the main drivers behind the depopulation drive. And this Ukraine “war” is a vehicle to achieve this goal, at least partially.
Hydrocarbons saved the whales. And the forests. Is there any gratitude shown?
“People still burn wood and coal, we’re just burning less of it . . .”
I do not believe that this is, strictly speaking, true. What we are doing is burning a smaller percentage of it of our total. As energy demands go up, so does the use of all sources as an absolute number.
Quite true, kfg. There’s this bit,
“Nuclear didn’t replace oil, it supplemented it.”
What nuclear did was eliminate oil from one important use on a global basis: oil-fired thermal generation of electricity. Very few of these plants remain in service on a global basis. Rumania’s entire nuclear program was based on eliminating oil imports for power generation.
But it’s absolutely true that oil continues even more important than before. What nuclear has done is reduce some of the competing demand for oil from some applications, and thus making other uses for oil somewhat lower in cost.
That said, Farmerboy is completely right that oil and coal, saved the whales and allowed regrowth of European forest. Kenji is also spot-on in observing that energy issues too often degenerate to “feelings” rather than logic or rationality. But these latter items have little to do with a post-modernist world we live in.
“War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society these irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate cooperation with the government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense.” When Randolph Bourne wrote that, I wonder if he could have anticipated anything as nihilistic and suicidal as a war on prosperity (net zero). In today’s Canada, a shooting war could not last against a real enemy more than a few days so our “leaders” prosecute a war against Canada’s most dynamic and naturally competitive industry conveniently located away from the most populated statist-voting blocks. The Eloi vote for it and the elected sociopaths work toward it along with depleting future treasuries as fast as possible and the only likely cold water on the face that could reverse the trend is the sobering consequences of $150 oil in the not too distant future along with the resulting skyrocketing prices of the 60% or so of all manufactured goods and all food dependent on that commodity.
We’ve declared WAR … on ourselves. But it’s sold as:
WAR on the Boomers
WAR on the old people
WAR on BIG OIL
WAR on The Rich
WAR on conservatives
WAR on caucasians
WAR on Western civilization
WAR on … the other guy we HATE. But this WAR will have NO winner. And there won’t be a Marshall Plan to save the vanquished.
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It’s all over but the slow walking and the sad singing
Don’t try to figure out a way to fix this
but do find a way to survive it
Rebel Madman
They are done with the lying
Now it’s time for the dying
DW
Sad but true
Scorpio
Operation Scorpio Show 105
Out here in the buck brush I’ve been on the chainsaw for a coupla weeks. Making next winters wood. It’s hard heavy work but I like it. And I like the heat from a wood stove when it’s -30 ( so do the dogs).
There is no financial advantage to burning wood and I don’t have to pay for it. You have to have a saw, beater truck, wood splitter (ok you can use an axe but those days are behind me). I like the security of having 2 years supply of wood – you never know when the power is going out – and staying out.
Not many people burn wood today for all the obvious reasons. Most of the guys I know that do are trappers – ha. It’s an excellent source of heat if your prepared for the labour.
Yes. It costs me more than it saves me in natural gas, but the comfort of a wood fire is priceless. Its a pretty big part of my short term and long term Plan B if ecotards or some other malignant entity (Liberals) get their way and shut down NG.
I once calculated that if Alberta were to replace all of its grid capacity with wood-fired energy, it would require all the growth of Alberta’s forests and half of BC’s, displacing all the lumber and pulp mills accordingly.
Outstanding comment DN.