Early treatment, throw everything but the kitchen sink at it.
Versus, go home and come to the hospital if your lips turn blue.
Early treatment, throw everything but the kitchen sink at it.
Versus, go home and come to the hospital if your lips turn blue.
Nova Scotia’s Conservatives, spit spit, just decreed that covid passports will be required. Yep, more liberal bs from the so called Cons, I am done with voting, they’re all lying dirt bags-my opinion only.
Is the vaccination apartheid passport “your papers” required to rent a moving truck to get all your worldly belongings out of that shit-hole?
*I’m more surprised every day at how those in Oz are taking it… there are limitations on how much liquor can be delivered to the quarantine hotels which isn’t enough to get anyone solidly drunk enough to make it all go away for the day.
As a (fellow?) Bluenoser, I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’m not. I was hoping that our low case numbers might give our *spit* leaders some pause, but nope. Full steam ahead on Casting Out the UnClean. Give it 2-4 months and I’m sure the boosters will start coming. Get your booster or you too will be Cast Out and become subject to the daily Two Minutes Hate. Rinse & repeat every six months. Forever.
I expected no better from the PC party of NS. It’s 98% Red Tory and they ran well to the left of the Liberals to unseat them (the Liberals needed to go, don’t get me wrong). Nova Scotia is a poor, mediocre province that is content to be so, and since the pandemic began you can add a healthy dose of xenophobia into the mix.
I am trying to think through scenarios to leave, but with a wife (who has medical issues) and children it’s much more complicated than if I were single.
Rose
Yup, all the so-called cons are authoritarian lying bastards, ever damned on of them
I agree, I’m not voting in the federal election, what’s the point they lie to our faces then become liberals the day after we vote for them.
Vote Maverick if you are in the west. PPC is just an eastern party.
Our riding in Edmonton has a PPC candidate. Is that in your definition of East?
Rose and Gym Vote MAX, what do you have to lose.
The official CDC “treatment” regimen for COVID patients: “Rest, and drink plenty of fluids.” “Until you can’t breathe … then cut back on the fluids.”
Shameful. Utterly shameful. They treat horses better than that
they do, its called Ivermectin for Horse deworming
So he had positive on a Sunday and started his treatment plan with the meds and IV vitamins he had on hand at home.
How do you get an IV on a Sunday at home?
Kudos on the planning and fitness, props on the cash and connections to load up on monoclonals and have an on-call nurse.
I lack the cash, on call IV connections, and a nation/province that would enable any of that.
“Versus, go home and come to the hospital if your lips turn blue.”
Funny thr NIH treatment guidelines say nothing of the sort.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/about-the-guidelines/whats-new/
Monoclonal antibodies … an experimental treatment that doesn’t work for everyone … which must be taken within 10 days of infection … and tofacitinib which causes blood clots. Ha! I’ll take my chances with the horse de-wormer.
I used to TRUST the US government … until I realized human worms like Fauxci are in control. Petty bureaucrats who’ve sworn their allegiance to leftist policy and practice.
According to Dr, McCullough, the dude that testified in front of 12 Senate and House sub committees
The Monoclonal antibodies infusion needs be done in first 5 days after you develop symptoms along with a couple other drugs that been around for decades
Not to mention the Nation of Japan … a beautiful culture blending old and new … that is about as sciency as you can get … now recommends the “Horse de-wormer” as treatment for COVID. In this case, I TRUST Japan and their medical decision-makers far more than I do the hyper-politicized US bureaucracies.
The official CDC and FDA initiated ‘talking point’ of “horse de-wormer” is a shameful act by Agencies purportedly working FOR the American people. A despicable … political … act. These petty bureaucrats work FOR their $Billionaire patrons at BIG Pharma … not FOR the American people. I hope their rotten souls consume them all in a pillar of fire. These people are Evil … pure Evil.
“Horse de-wormer” … FUCK YOU! All of you who pushed this purely political tag line. With the compliance of the legacy media and Madison Ave. You creeps are pure Evil.
Yep, Japan and twenty other countries.
From American Journal of Therapeutics.
“Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/
Or get a Fucking vaccine like a sane person. They work. They aren’t perfect but guess fucking what: they’re safe and pretty fucking good at preventing Covid-19.
As a doctor I can’t believe I have to say this.
It’s not a political issue. We’re trying to keep you idiots alive.
For fuck’s sakes!
They work.
they’re safe
pretty fucking good at preventing Covid-19
As a doctor
As the kids like to say, “citation needed”.
They aren’t even vaccines.
No actually the Covid “vaccines” don’t work, and there is an abundance of data that establishes that this is the case. And that picture is not going to get any better, especially now that we are moving into cold and flu season.
BTW Though I know personally a FEW doctors in canada that this doesn’t apply to, I consider most canadian doctors today to merely be mouthpieces for a corrupt and/or incompetent medical establishment. Since I don’t know who you are, if you really ARE a doctor, you can safely assume which category I believe you fall into.
That being said, I DON’T actually believe that you are in fact a doctor because even the most clueless would know that you do NOT prescribe a vaccine as a treatment for an infection. That’s not how vaccines work. If you don’t know that even…
The data overwhelmingly proves the vaccine lowers your chance of infection, hospitalization, and severe cases/ICU.
No it doesn’t.
Yes it does. It’s very clear. In places with lots of Delta, very few in the hospital are vaccinated. In places with lots of vaccination, there is little infection and less hospitalization.
No it does not lower the chance of infection. Every jurisdiction now has multiple times the number of infected that they had a year ago when none was vaccinated. Hence the primary objective of vaccine is not realized.
As for lower rates of hospitalization etc the factors have been already explained to you. Nothing changed since then.
Ontario today:
In ICU today % yesterday % change
Unvaccinated 113 88% 102 84% +11
Partially vaccinated 7 5% 7 6% 0
Fully vaccinated 8 6% 12 10% -4
In hospital but not the ICU
Unvaccinated 162 79% 146 75% +16
Partially vaccinated 14 7% 16 8% -2
Fully vaccinated 28 14% 32 16% -4
Totals
Unvaccinated 275 83% 248 87% +27
Partially vaccinated 21 6% 23 7% -2
Fully vaccinated 36 11% 44 11% -8
And?
Ontario today, new cases (7 day rolling average) 732.3, proportion vaccinated: 68.218% with 73.934% with at least one dose.
Ontario 9/9/2020, new cases (7 day rolling average) 161.6 cases, proportion vaccinated: 0.00
Therefore vaccines failed spectacularly at preventing the spread of Wuhan Flu, end of fucking story. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
BC has the highest vaccination rate in the country and the worst covid numbers too.
Unvaccinated are occupying 113 ICU beds. By their population if they were all vaccinated it would be just 2. Do you think ICU beds or hospital beds are free? Do you think anyone involved wants them to be there? THIS is what the vaccines were for, and here they’re doing an extremely good job so far.
Nope, the job of the vaccine is to prevent the spread of the disease, not to lessen its symptoms. The “but but people who get Wuhan Flu tend to suffer less if vaccinated” is a bullshit argument and already an admission that vaccines have failed. Only when reliable data on side effects emerges we can conclude for what segments of the population the vaccines do more good than harm. Right now we know that doctors’ careers are destroyed when they link side effects with vaccines so the side effects of vaccines are brushed aside as coincidental.
BC similar story:
Past week cases (Aug. 31-Sept. 6) – Total 4,691
Not vaccinated: 3,247 (69.2%)
Partially vaccinated: 403 (8.6%)
Fully vaccinated: 1,041 (22.2%)
Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Aug. 24-Sept. 6) – Total 233
Not vaccinated: 184 (79.0%)
Partially vaccinated: 16 (6.9%)
Fully vaccinated: 33 (14.2%)
By population the vaccinated are doing overwhelmingly better.
I don’t know why you think sick and dead people, and the resources they use don’t matter, or how that isn’t the PRIMARY reason for the vaccine. Quick herd immunity would have been nice, but obviously saving lives, quality of living and healthcare resources is the most important thing.
First you repeat yourself. Then you’re consciously arguing a strawman. I have explained my position very clearly. Even a vaccine peddling bot should be able to follow. “you don’t care blah blah blah…” is just a pathetic attempt at twisting my words. That means you’re a demagogue and a piece of exactment. From now on you get UnMe treatment. Thank you for calling.
And of course, as always, that depends on a LOT of moving parts with this virus, and my medical situation. Over time. The one thing that has NOT yet been robustly applied to testing.
I’ll wait around till they finish their homework, and I have accurate conditional probabilites in support of robust idiosyncratic risk-benefit estimates, thanks. No “Operation Warp Speed” for this cat, thanks.
Doctor my ass. They certainly don’t prevent Covid. Blow smoke up someone else’s ass.
Everything is political now.
I pretty much stopped commenting on vaccines anywhere in 2020. I barely even talk to family anymore on the subject. The conversation makes everyone’s head explode and everyone has a tribe.
I can’t imagine how tired you must be having to deal with this day in and day out.
Now vaccine passports, that’s a fight I can pick a side on.
Bullshit. Your ‘I’m a doctor’ appeal to authority is one of the reasons the world is in such a fkn mess.
The original claims of 95% effective were from small trials of only 70k people. The hospitals are full of vaccinated people and the vaccines are proving to be near zero effective for the delta variant. I know this because I’ve been working in healthcare for 15 years and see the actual data every god dam day
Tell me oh medical wise one, how can you rationally claim they work for a virus that had an IFR of 0.05% for people under 70 before we even had a vaccine? Can you provide a single citation to prove a reduction in that number? Can you comprehend the sample size you would need to show a reduction from 0.05 to 0.025%? The dying are overwhelmingly old with multiple comorbidities and the vaccination rate for above 70’s is over 95% in Canada.
“small trials of only 70k people”
That’s not ‘small’. You clearly have no understanding of how any of this works.
That’s for all 3 phases, dipshit.
For a vaccine, yeah, 70k is a tad on the light side.
Given how avant-garde this prophylactic “experience improver” is, the lack of extenisve longitudinal study before approval should surprise you.
Oh and the reason people are in hospital with Covid in BC in IH is because for 25+ years they have been closing beds and hospitals in rural communities, dezpite being warned against doing so repeatedly, with the result now that every case is flown to Kelowna. Why? Well because Canada has only TWO treatment protocols for Covid:
1. Go home, drink fluids, get lots of rest.
2. Oh heck, that didn’t work? we are flying your ass to hospital now so we can stick you on a ventilator!
The Canadian medical system is a joke.
Meanwhile back in the real world, frontline doctors (who earn real money) are using horse dewormer, intravenous vitamin C, hcq, fluvoxamine, budesonide, and an array of other weaponry.
If its not a political issue, then there would be no mandates, talk of passports, etc.
Bottom line: When the gov’t says “Inject this into yourself, or else!” the correct answer is “Fuck you.”
You are full of shit.
Where were you for the polio vaccine? Probably first in line.
But I agree it is a political issue. We are all finding out the vaccine doesn’t work nearly as well as intended. 95% my ass. Probably 9.5%.
The mantra “it lowers your symptoms if you do get it” contains 40% bullshit, 30% hope and 19% “well it’s supposed to”. But the rest is probably true.
SfR, I don’t recall any Polio vaccine passports.
Yeah, sure, Doc Dante. Are you reporting this from Dante’s Inferno?
Piss off, “ expert”.
Enjoy the seventh circle of hell when you get there.
Oh, right, you’re already there.
We’re trying to keep you idiots alive.
You forgot to add: “to serve your masters and the state.”
Doctor of what?
My immune system has been perfect so far,why should I take your “imperfect Goo”?
Time seems to be making a liar out of you,as far as your potions preventing covid-19.
In fact if you are a medical doctor,I would suggest you clean up your own act before lecturing others,for my understanding is “death by medical misadventure” kills more citizens annually than “Covid” has managed to date.
These medical mistakes, they wouldn’t have anything to do with arrogance so intense as to cause blindness?
“My immune system has been perfect so far”
No it hasn’t. It doesn’t have memory cells against COVID. You are ignorant.
Oh, shut the fuck up, Un Me, you twerp.
Memory cells?
Read up on the miraculous Thymus and weep. Lightening fast memory creation and mitigation, unless you are a fat vegan, which you may well be, given how your atrophied brain attempts to condescend in an unflattering manner.
Now go watch Tik Tok or wherever you get your banal jollies.
Peace.
Your stupidity is awesome.
I am alive,thus my immune system has been perfect ..so far.
English comprehension sure seems to defy you.
And you know of my contact or otherwise with covid carrying creatures?
Your omnipotence, perhaps you could explain why 80% of people exposed to this Dread Covid show no reaction at all?
By definition, my immune system had no memory of virtually every virus and bacterium that infected me.
John. What is it about the vaccine that is making you piss your pants? I took two jabs (underlying medical condition). Everyone in my family has taken 2 jabs. No one died. No one got covid. Yes, some mild interaction with the vaccine lasting a few days. I haven’t been able to dig out the tracking chip with my rusty pocket knife. I’ll give it another try in the morning.
Years ago I went to Ethiopia on business. I took seven vaccines including yellow fever which made me sick. It was a live vaccine injected into my upper ass. The nurse said it would feel like a golf ball was being inserted up my ass.
I took malaria pills. I got the flu. Then I got the shits from the food. I got a few hangovers. I got the shits from the skunky beer. Pretty sure I didn’t die.
Life is full of risk. Don’t eat processed food.
“John. What is it about the vaccine that is making you piss your pants? ”
Well Steve,I am quite curious how you reached the above ..
Interesting concept.
I am glad your Government Goo was good for you.
My faith in the cure is much less and my fear of the supposed Novel corona virus cannot be found..
So why would you take an untested cure for a disease that does not threaten you?
As an act of faith?
In Government?
Or maybe put a fucking sock in it?
Vaccines are arguably a greater threat to healthy people under 50 (maybe 50 to 60 too) than the Wuhan Flu.
Dante, go to hell. Seventh, eighth, and ninth circles should do it. But you know that, right?
Imperfect? Try unsafe, ineffective and the cause of many serious adverse reactions.
I need aa antibody test and some honesty from my government. The more I am coerced, the more strongly I will resist.
Dante…
“As a Doctor” you are being contradicted by a bunch of other Doctors.
DOCTORS are saying that the vaccine isn’t working as advertised.
DOCTORS are saying that they are getting good results using other medications.
You? You are just some stranger on the internet who is probably not using even part of his real name to post. Why should I believe you instead of them?
Your level of stupid should be painful. If you took the not vaccine it just might be.
Dr. Mengele eh?
What an uneducated Douche you are
You a « fucking » doctor?
Fauci claims he’s a doctor too, so does Jill Biden…
I declare myself a doctor too…I got my doctorate in the field of common sense.
Tell me doc, if, for a fact, at 62, I had COVID first in March 2020 and again to a much less severe extent (natural antibodies developed from the first instance) in Jan 2021, do I still need a jab of a rushed in, inadequately tested vax which, for the first year wasn’t even FDA approved?
Remember doc, the survival rate across the board is 98%+…
My life is in your hands sir doctor Dante…btw, is your last name « Inferno » ?
Rogan missed the fact that the current daily Pfizer pill is also a protease inhibitor just like Ivermectin. They can charge big bucks for the new product, but they can’t make any real money with Ivermectin because it is no longer under patent protection. So CUI BONO must always be examined and this is ALL about the money.
https://populist.press/pfizer-rolls-out-new-daily-pill-to-fight-covid-similar-to-ivermectin/
If anybody wants to pass the link onto Joe, be my guest. He should know the facts.
It quotes an NIH in silico study for ivermectin. A computer simulation. Hardly riveting. Even drugs that show promise in vitro hardly have a high success rate.
Ivermectin is VERY effective dealing with viruses. Too bad you don’t have a bloody clue what the hell you are talking about. Stay ignorant my pungent friend.
Are you actually pretending there aren’t tons of clinical studies of successful Ivermectin use for COVID-19?
You Ivermectin deniers are a weird sad bunch of retards.
And put on another mask. Because your vaccine is protecting you, or something.
“Are you actually pretending there aren’t tons of clinical studies of successful Ivermectin use for COVID-19?”
No because no pretending is required. Ivermectin showed some initial early promise against COVID but serious studies did not find data backing that up: https://reason.com/2021/09/02/unfortunately-ivermectin-is-not-a-miracle-cure-for-covid-19/
Speaking of pretending … stop pretending there are any reliable studies that dismiss the efficacy of Ivermectin. Stop quoting OLD, incomplete, data (yes, Feb. 2021 is OLD data and studies)
In February 2021, the NIH did just that. “There is insufficient evidence,” the agency concluded, “to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.”
And then … India … happened. A real world, real time, “study” of the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Hardly a 70k person study … more like 70 million person “study”. If the NIH had one ounce of integrity … they would issue a retraction and correction to their incomplete statement based on incomplete information.
As any REAL scientist knows … empirical data is just as effective … no … MORE effective … than calculated, adjusted, smoothed, and politically pasteurized… data.
Thanks Colonialista! It appears the NIH actually DID retract their sloppy Feb. 21, 2021 opinion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/
Reason ragazine is nothing more than a propaganda sheet. A place where they could print “horse dewormer” a few more times. Leftists are LIARS. Propagandists. And pure EVIL.
No one said it was a miracle cure. This, like the cold and flu virus, is fast mutating. It is never going to die out. Ever. We will have to get used to it. We will recover from it when people stop running after this month’s flavour of “vaccine” and learn to “take the pain”. Life is a risk-benefit calculation, ongoing.
Now taking an unfinished vaccine (where are the longitudinal studies?) adds a layer of risk that wasn’t there before.
If, say, you had a 1% chance of getting effed up by Covid, but.your cohort had a 12% chance of a life-altering permanent downstream side effect with the vaccine,, in what universe is it medically advisable to take it?
Glad that Joe Rogan is recovered. The real story here is the response of the various media personalities. Safe to safe, they are not serious people. They were more about preaching to the choir and the opportunity to smear and belittle Joe Rogan, and by extension many others, than point out the obvious. It’s kind of amusing, though, that they fixated on Ivermectin. Why didn’t they say, so what, it proves nothing. Joe Rogan could have recovered based on all the treatments, some combination of the treatments, none of the treatments, some unknown factor, or he could have recovered spontaneously, like most people do, when their own immune system kicks in.
Pretty much this, Rogan’s story isn’t much more than an anecdote.
These studies aren’t “anecdotes”.
https://ivmmeta.com/
“There is evidence of a negative publication bias, and the probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 63 studies is estimated to be 1 in 1 trillion.”
Vote Maverick!
we’re leaving so start early
Maverick is the only alternative on the right that isn’t a total clownshow. They are actually trying to think and be strategic. They have a plan…and no philosophy.
No, just throw what works at it: vaccines and mAbs. The monoclonals are a miracle they can be prophylactic too bad your own body would make its own antibodies against it. The vaccine obviates this issue.
It wasn’t Ivermectin: https://reason.com/2021/09/02/unfortunately-ivermectin-is-not-a-miracle-cure-for-covid-19/
If ivermectin is so effective at treating COVID, why did Rogan bother throwing the rest of the kitchen sink at his illness? Why stack on monoclonal antibodies, corticosteroids, azithromycin, vitamin drips, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide coenzyme drips, and whatever else his medical team gave him, if ivermectin is already the proven miracle solution?
Because it is not being claimed that Ivomectin is a miracle cure, especially when used on its own . If you must argue, try not to base your argument on a deliberate straw-man. If the same standard were applied to the current vaccines, you would be howling for their rejection, as well.
There are many illnesses that are treated with a combination of drugs, or drugs and therapies. There is nothing unusual about using something in combination, it is merely that the hystericals and nay-sayers have more trouble making shit up about the other commonly-included treatments.
It is perfectly valid to take treatments that limit damage and support the body until the body’s own immune system can deal with the virus, as it does in the majority of humans, anyway.
The more that I listen to the vac-advocates, the less inclined I am to take them seriously. Bullies should never be appeased.
WOW, another un educated Douche dirt bag chimming in
Scurry back to cowering behind your shower curtain
Things that make you go hmm..
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/newsroom/news/083021-COVID-19-vaccination-menstruation
Plenty of anecdotal evidence to know there is a link, vaccinated women on contraceptives that suppress menstruation and who had no periods for years, all of a sudden experience heavy flows. Then there are shingles outbreaks, allergic reactions to wasp/bee stings among those who are vaccinated and never had such reactions in the past etc. All unexplained with doctors told to brush all aside as coincidental in order to protect the narrative. It will be decades before we learn full effects of damage done by the vaccines.
Which is why longitudinal vaccine studies for the FDA average closer to a decade than a mere 6 months.
Exactly.
I am not afraid.
I expect to die sometime and I am ready for that.
There are things that are far more important to me than avoiding the flu.
There are things that are far more likely to kill me, than the flu.
The irony is in watching all the fat and unhealthy people panicking about this one disease, when they have had 18 months to lose weight and get fit….. but they haven’t done it. Simply being fit and healthy confers a similar protection against adverse covid outcomes as the vaccines….. but they haven’t done it.
They would rather lock me inside my own home, than lock themselves out of their refrigerators.
They would rather blame others for their vulnerability, than take sensible steps to reduce it.
“They would rather lock me inside my own home, than lock themselves out of their refrigerators.”
Beautiful! Mike drop.
Very well put Peter W.
I keep snickering at the fear of death so prevalent in the “Concerned Ones”,everything we used to do for fun,is now illegal cause the twerps feel such activities are “too dangerous”.
Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease..I have been loving every minute of it.
The cynic in me suspects the government fear of Ivermectin has nothing to do with the Dread Covid and is far more basic,it being an anti-parasitic and all.
For where we are heading, I’d only follow Israel vs Palestinian numbers from here on. Surprised this isn’t the biggest issue on the vaccine debate. Wonder how my AZ shots are going to hold out?
Too many words with so little content from the pro vax folks.
“If ivermectin is so effective at treating COVID, why did Rogan bother throwing the rest of the kitchen sink at his illness? Why stack on monoclonal antibodies, corticosteroids, azithromycin, vitamin drips, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide coenzyme drips, and whatever else his medical team gave him, if ivermectin is already the proven miracle solution?”
Because any medical practitioner who knows what they’re doing knows that the illness has multiple pathways that it can proceed by so only a fool would use a single bullet. I know of no competent medical practitioner who advocates early treatment who *only* uses one method of early treatment.
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v17n15.shtml