The Wiley and Illusive “Natural Immunity”

From Nature

Data now suggest that the majority of infected individuals develop robust and long-lasting T cell immunity, which has implications for the durability of immunity and future vaccine approaches.

The authors studied T cell responses six months after infection in 100 individuals (median age 41 years) who had relatively mild infections (56 people) or asymptomatic infections (44 people).

You guys can pick out some more nuggets and put them in the comments.

40 Replies to “The Wiley and Illusive “Natural Immunity””

  1. I’ll point out that the sample size is fairly small. Would be nice to see this looked at in greater numbers.

  2. What do you people think about the drive to “vaccinate” the young? They have very strong innate immune systems and CV19 is not a great health risk to them.

    1. Now that all of the elderly who want it have been vaccinated, I think it is probably unneeded, but there is a long term inflammatory syndrome that seems to infect about one in a thousand children who catch COVID that is no joke. But the one in a thousand number is likely the top of the range of estimates of the the rate of the complication.

      Here is another study that just came out of a much larger number of people that seems to show that the vaccine confers much more protection than natural immunity does which is why this study is being ignored here and on Instapundit, I guess.

      mRNA vaccinees after the boost have higher Ab titers (up to 10 times higher) than convalescent plasmas from donors who recovered from natural infection. The results of this study exemplify the time course and outcomes expected from similar mRNA mass vaccination campaigns conducted in other institutions.

      https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v2.full.pdf

      1. I’m confused. Don’t people realize that the only study that matters is the one that is occurring now? People are willing getting injected with, not just an untried,untested vaccine, but one that is based on a never before tried, experimental, RNA based procedure, one that has no track record of success.
        Please stop quoting and linking to studies that ignore the elephant in the room.

        1. Correct Greg. I have read dozens of studies, that if you distill the information, says this shit is dangerous.

          1. Try convincing the herd on this. They WANT a “vaccine”, so they can posture on their social creds on Faceplant/Twatter. What, you’re not vaxxed?

          1. Absolutely, not isolated, and nor will it ever be. The original will show a man made virus created in a lab. Bet on it.

  3. Here is a better paper:

    SARS-CoV-2-derived peptides define heterologous and COVID-19-induced T cell recognition

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf

    “Cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 peptides revealed pre-existing T cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals and validated similarity with common cold coronaviruses, providing a functional basis for heterologous immunity in SARS-CoV-2 infection.”

    That’s right…81%. That’s the percentage of the population that possesses natural immunity.
    If you were paying attention last spring, this was illustrated by the outbreaks that occurred aboard the cruise ship Diamond Princess and the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt. In both cases assume exposure approaching 100%, with @20% actually getting sick. I intuited from those events that approximately 80% of the population at large was naturally immune. I didn’t understand why at the time…now I do.

    So tell me again why we’re in the midst of a mass vaccination campaign again, and don’t lie to me this time.

    1. Might have something to do with many of the vaccine’s proponents having the belief that the world is overpopulated.
      Call me crazy, but when a rich, software salesman who has publicly stated that six billion of the great unwashed must needs disappear to save mother earth, is leading the charge, excuse me if I think those lining up haven’t thought this through.

        1. A rumored $400 a shot of Franken medicine vs cheap, readily available HCQ/Ivermectin+ if needed, or “take two aspirin and call me in the morning”.

      1. Greg..and Edward

        Great comments…your thoughts perfectly distilled and mirror mine.

        And Seasonal Influenza Has disappeared….uHuh.

        1. *
          “And Seasonal Influenza Has disappeared….uHuh.”

          “The U.S. saw about 600 deaths from influenza
          during the 2020-2021 flu season.”

          what else does kungflu cure/encompass?

          looking at overall mortality stats will expose
          this gigantic milgram experiment.

          *

      2. You aren’t crazy, the rich software salesman has taken action in regards to his convictions.

        https://www.africanglobe.net/africa/mass-sterilization-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-tetanus-vaccine/

        What I find surprising is that supposed intelligent people like the software salesman and many others have bought into the overpopulation junk science. Even though academia has insisted that there are too many people on the planet for the last 150 years they always had been shown to be wrong with not only more people surviving but having a much higher standard of living as just the generation before them. With the worldwide COVID mass injection that most people call vaccinations, I have no doubt that the software salesman not only does see an opportunity but an obligation to take action.

    2. Because medical authorities get their chance to play God with the entire population all at once. It’s the dumbest/simplest way to deal with this, however, and they don’t really care about collateral damage, and there is a lot of that.
      What happened to “DO NO HARM”?
      The media has also proved its all-in propaganda platform as the government’s mouthpiece, and effectiveness at brainwashing/manipulating the majority of the population. What is the next “crisis” they will sing to? Oh yeah, climate change………..

      1. Dan, I think “Do no harm” is only attributable to Doctors, the big pharma industry doesn’t give a rats, for them it’s all about money, and the government is all about power, the two are collaborating with the implied immunity for this so called Vax. We the peasants are the test subjects…..how nice for us. For both of them, it’s a match made in heaven. I plan to remain in the control group, even though I’m in the Goldilocks fear zone of 70 plus years.

        A couple of weeks back, right after Easter weekend, my wife had the Moderna Vax, and that night started having severe chest pains. By ten PM we were at emergency, and the next day was diagnosed with pneumonia. She came home five days later. Last Friday, she again woke up with lower chest pains and we went back to emergency. This time they told her she has Pleurisy. I don’t know, and I cannot prove that it’s all connected but there ain’t no way I’m ever getting that crap put in me.

        1. My 79 year old mom just had her leg amputated 2 1/2 weeks after her first Pfizer shot, blood clot.

          Of course, it was due to her diabetes, NEVER due to the proximity of the mRNA shot, NEVER!

    3. The drive for full vaccination is the puzzling part. Plenty of money to made from those that desire the perceived degree of safety. Provincial Governments have all wielded a degree of the Power we’ve given them.

      So I’m starting to wonder whether full vaccination is a defensive posture. If something goes wrong down the road that might be attributed to the vaccination, as long as there’s no control group, the Governments can plausibly deny the vaccine was at fault. Politics = Plausible Deniability.

    4. Right so, ET. I was fearful and demanding everyone be tested because we didn’t know how extensive or bad it was. But the Diamond and Roosevelt were test tubes in live laboratories in controlled conditions. 80% plus ere immune. I started calling the hysteria out then, that was back in late April, May.

    5. Similarily 20% of the people cause 80% of the spread. The pareto principle is rarely ever wrong.

  4. There’s risks if you get covid and there’s risks if you get the one of these experimental vaccines. One years worth of data simply isn’t enough to allow for worry free decision making.

    The thing to remember is that although covid19 is new, the coronavirus is not. I read that about 15% of annual common colds are caused by coronavirus, the mild form of coronavirus. So many of us have already been exposed to covid19 “cousins” and likely have some degree of protection. SARS and MERS are the more dangerous types of coronavirus but their mortality rate is much, much higher than covid19. The mild, common cold type of coronavirus, causes problems for the elderly and unhealthy…like we see with covid19.

    The emergency use vaccines carry more unknown hazards, imo. Cerebral blood clots, heart inflammation, bells palsy, paralysis, anaphylactic shock to list a few of the now known adverse reactions. Then there’s the unknown long term effects. In previous research, vaccinated animals fared worse than unvaccinated animals upon exposure to the virus, for instance.

    Considering all of the serious “rare”, “benefits outweigh the risks” reactions not found by the pharmaceutical companies in the short term trials, what are the odds that there will be further serious adverse reactions to the vaccines in the medium term and long term?

    1. *
      “There’s risks if you get covid…”

      sure… if you’re an obese octagenerian
      with a pre-existing health condition.

      just like… well… the regular flu.

      *

  5. LC, from what I’ve read and listened, ALL the Animals died in the 4 previous sets of animal Trials.
    Dr. Tenpenny, Dr Lee Merritt, Dr Delores Cahill all commenting on that….

    I do believe those were mRNA trials.

    Where did the Seasonal Flu go..?? No one has an answer…and I have a hard time accepting the oft heard washing hands and bathing in sanitizer as a reason.

    1. I read that all the test animals died from some sources but others disagreed. That the vaccinated animals fared worse than the unvaccinated does not seem to be in dispute. What is also missing, or I didn’t find, was if test animals were kept under observation to study long term effects of the experimental vaccines.

  6. Spin time:

    “Ontario Progressive Conservative MPP Jim McDonnell has tested positive for COVID-19, he announced Friday. McDonnell, who represents the Eastern Ontario riding of Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, said his symptoms are mild, similar to a cold. He added that because he received his first dose of vaccine less than two weeks ago, it had not taken full effect. ‘I share my experience as a caution to the more contagious variants and to the need to follow public health guidelines,” McDonnell said’.”

    https://www.thespec.com/ts/news/canada/2021/05/01/todays-coronavirus-news-may-1-gta-toronto-canada.html

  7. Edward Teach
    Ain’t that the truth; a year ago herd immunity was just a figment of some right wing conspiracy theorist’s imagination but today, with the ever moving goalposts, the story is we should ALL take the ‘vaccine’ because it will provide vastly improved herd immunity.

  8. So after 14 months of systemic lying,the truth is trying its boots on?
    If we allow any person who imposed the Dread Covid Crushing (of civil liberties) upon us,to remain in any position of authority or any taxpayer paid position,we are the fools they take us for.
    Incompetent,Useless and extremely dangerous fools,with severe delusions of adequacy..
    Well what can we expect after decades of government by fools and bandits.
    The Great Reset?
    Might be a little different than the “helpers,nags and nudgers imagine.

    Remember Ma Guillotine.
    Because it is our heritage.

    1. Great comments here except for tim.
      Especially agree JR about you reference to people in position of authority. However I am not optimistic about getting rid of them. Too many sheep.

      1. “Baaah! Baaaah! What does everybody else in my little flock think! I need to know what to think!”

        You guys’ delusions would matter a lot more if this thing wasn’t pretty much over.

        1. @ Tim in vermont.
          “You guys’ delusions would matter a lot more if this thing wasn’t pretty much over.”
          So tell me,when did it begin?
          You profess to be a smart guy,help me out here.
          Flu season is ending too,who woulda guessed?
          So when did it begin,the Dread COVID?

        2. Its not a delusion, when Peking Tam, Fauxci, and St Bonnie all move the goalposts.

          First, masks don’t work, except they do. Lockdowns don’t work, but let’s do it anyways, and again.

          Just take the shot, and all will be well. But, well, now you might need a booster shot next, and the year after.

          Oh yeah, the Az and JJ shots cause blood clots, and deaths. Let’s halt them. Oh, politicians and technocrats then decide within a week, that those “vaccines” will cause fewer deaths than the dreaded Covid. This is ignorance, by health authorities of the highest degree. What’s the mortality rate under 50, with no co-mobidities?

          99.98% survival……when the overwhelming majority of the old, infirm and sick have received their dose of mRNA goo, then explain why the rest of society needs the shot, with that overwhelmingly high rate of survival?

          Facts matter, so do statistics. Based on these numbers, hidden from the public, and never broadcast by St Bonnie or Peking Tam, the Fear Factor would be over. NUFF SAID

        3. It should be pretty much over — viruses usually going for about 5-7 weeks, but several Canadian provinces are going into major lockdowns. I am in Ontario, so we are still stuck.

        4. Nobody tells me what to think.
          And I disagree with your post because of all the other info that I have read.
          Did my comment hurt you?

  9. Similarily 20% of the people cause 80% of the spread. The pareto principle is rarely ever wrong.

  10. Am I correct in thinking, then, that you probably do not want to prevent transmission. You don’t want people getting terribly sick, but simply testing positive, or having mild symptoms will over time create herd immunity. Or maybe I missed something.

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