International climate talks that have gone on for two weeks have failed to reach an agreement on a key part of a deal that would help reduce global carbon emissions.
Delegates have postponed a decision on global carbon markets which put a price on the emission of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas.
Oh, and this is very much related: Clean B.C. is quietly using coal and gas power from out of province.
This is really good news. It signals the end of bullshit conferences where everyone agrees to monitor fairy farts and harness unicorns for transportation. If we can finally start talking honestly about what we can (and more importantly) can’t do it can only be good news.
So there’s no agreement. That means that there will be yet another conference to discuss the same issue ad nauseum. That also means that the delegates will gather together once again and live high on the hog (oh, the humanity!) while telling us deplorables that we’re single-handedly killing the planet with our “excessive” way of life.
How many of those in attendance are upset at having to do that? There’s a reason why the EU has been called a gravy train.
Yup. Stuff like this just blows the mind:
• First part of this thread… re: CLIMATE Conference:
Too many countries asking for money at the end? Are they taking this conference too seriously? The @$%&fest is for them to take in money from the World, not give it away. Ahhhahaah. Good. See you all next year, suckers.
(The conferences lasted a measly 6 hours per day, 10am to 4pm, according to Sheila Gunn Reid. With lengthy lunches, what’s left? How much can be accomplished? Right, it’s a hoax, and a free vacation for government geeks!)
• Second part of thread…
“…message conveyed in advertisements for the CleanBC initiative launched by the NDP government, which has spent $3.17 million on a CleanBC “information campaign,” including almost $570,000 for focus group testing and telephone town halls, according to the B.C. finance ministry.”
Wow! They spent $3.17 million and $570,000 additionally, to tell them what they already know. Yikes. More waste, fraud and abuse. Vote the NDP out, B.C.ers!
Ahem. You’re referring to B. C., a province in which logic goes to die.
As I’ve mentioned on previous occasions, Lotusland doesn’t represent all of that region. There are parts of the province which absolutely despise Prinz Dummkopf. The house I inherited is in NE B. C. and I’ve yet to meet anyone who has anything good to say about him. Recently, I sold one of my father’s machines to a shop in the Kamloops area. I got the impression that the manager doesn’t like HRH, either.
But those are places where people tend to earn their livings by doing good, honest work. Coincidence?
As soon as I read, “ahem” (from you) I started to giggle! Was this going to be comical, I thought. Apologies. Gosh, I’d rather wear a stupid hat and make someone laugh than offend anyone, especially yourself!
NE BC has more in common with Alberta and especially Northern Alberta than Lotusland ever has or ever will, without a doubt. I’ve been to both places and the difference between the two is like night and day.
When I first moved to Calgary, more than 20 years ago, I discovered that for myself and heard stories about the whole Peace River area. I stayed overnight once at the Pioneer Inn in FSJ. It was a lovely, classy hotel. More importantly, the people were gracious there and similarly so, in the whole town.
I’ve a pretty good memory about what people write here at SDA about themselves. So I’m glad to learn about your recent progress with regards to your place.
Small towns are beautiful places BA. You ought write about it. Bet they’d be good stories.
Do try. Let us know when your book is published!
PS Perhaps we should all try to write the great Canadian novel. It would help us to forget government greed, at least for a little while.
NE BC has more in common with Alberta and especially Northern Alberta than Lotusland ever has or ever will, without a doubt.
When we moved there nearly 60 years ago, that was the case. Edmonton is less than 8 hours drive away while Vancouver is closer to 14.
Much of that had to do with the local oil industry. Many companies which had operations in the area had head offices in Edmonton or Calgary.
That’s changed since I moved away after finishing my B. Sc. Now that I’m in the area often, I’ve noticed that the mentality is now closer to Lotusland. I suspect that many people moved there from the left coast, taking their neo-marxist ideas with them.
As for the Pioneer Inn in FSJ, I think it’s now called the Northern Grand. I’m old enough to remember when that was the location of a car dealership. When that place closed, it was replaced by a Holiday Inn, which, I think, eventually became the Pioneer Inn.
Over the years, I’ve lived in a number of towns which were small enough that everyone knew what one had for breakfast. Personally, I prefer a larger city.
That is one interesting thing about hydro electricity. As long a you have reservoir capacity, you can store it. Maybe wind turbines should just be pumping water uphill so they can produce reliable power.
Pumped water storage has often been proposed. When the produced power exceeds the load demand, water is pumped into a reservoir. When the produced power falls below the required output, that reservoir is allowed to drain with the stream running through a hydro turbine generator.
However, that has its limits as well, particularly in this country’s climate. In addition, there’s the extra maintenance that’s required to ensure that the water can freely move in either direction.
I think all of the papers I read on the subject never considered that the reservoir might freeze solid in winter.
Lefties hate dams too.
Not to mention it becomes a logistical nightmare if you’re also using that water for drinking or irrigation.
Yup. There’s a lot of caterwauling about the Site C dam in NE B. C. If it wasn’t for that project, there wouldn’t be a whole lot going on in the Peace River Block. The oil industry is all but shut down (thank you, Red Rachel, Prinz Dummkopf, and Mr. Horganweaver) and the forestry business isn’t doing well, either.
Then again, the left hates anyone who does good, honest work for a living. Legitimately earned wages are seen as theft.
Let’s not forget, Whoregan and his ENDP was virulently against dams and Site C, he waged WAR on it in the last election, and it was partially why he got elected.
Until he was FOR Site C………….someone gave him a basic lesson in science and told him that those neato Lectric cars run on the same Lectric that is produced from dams like Site C. Odd that he had no idea whatsoever how he was going to power them ol roller skates BEFORE the election. This reeks of typical leftwing politics, being virulently against soemthing, just because the other guy was for it, then ABOUT FACE. Just like ScrewFace and the GST. Just like Prinz and his “minor deficits”.
Take heed, the Narwhal is a leftist environazi website.
A good buddy at Hydro told me 10 years ago, before Site C was formally planned, that if only 10% of the cars on the road were electric, it would overload the grid, with them all plugged in at the same time. Site C will clearly eliminate that idea. The left surely must have known that beforehand and were LYING all the way through.
I’m not sure the next election here will solve anything though, between the three leftwing parties, the Libs are the least worst, but still just a western version of the Trudopians. It will be the first one I either sit out, spoil, or vote for the wackadoodle candidate instead. All three leftwing parties will screw us over, the Libs the least quickest if thats an option (not anymore)……..
Whoregan is a total hypocrite, claiming to be an environmentalist, while attacking those evil, no-good, greedy gas companies for charging too much for gasoline, (taxes and levies NOT to be reviewed, ever, cuz Big ENDP Gubmint GOOD)
DanBC:
I heard another story about Site C. By the time that Horganweaver was elected, the work on the project was at such a stage that it would have cost more to cancel it than to finish building the dam. Throwing a lot of people out of work wouldn’t have been good for the Watermelon Alliance’s image.
You are correct, that was publicly stated. Nonetheless, politicians are never 100% forthright, and there is no doubt that the fact the dam was going to supply vast amounts of GREEN power, no matter what the environazi set says, was an obvious benefit to the GreeNDP program. Its a benefit to all of us here, regardless of party, providing long term, stable, reliable and amortized power over decades of time. Just so long as the politicians don’t screw things up any more than they already are. Okay, one has to hope……….
Weaver be damned, what a pompous arrogant ass he is! How many times does he have to announce he is resigning as the Greentard leader? He got his 6 years, and golden pension, what a purist! /sarc
Perpetual motion machine
It’s cheaper to build a bigger dam than recycle the water using other power sources. For example, it would be cheaper to use hydro power to pump water back uphill than to use wind or solar. Quebec has figured this out. That is why they are using Alberta oil money to build even more and more hydro dams. Then all they have to do is go looking for customers.
EEVs (elsewhere emission vehicles), unreliables (NOT renewables; there is no such thing), sounds about par for the course when you are dealing with a self enrichment cult.
Isn’t Greta gently weeping a Beatles tune, or Clapton or something?
My Dumb Git Box Gently Weeps.
“Clean B.C. is quietly using coal and gas power from out of province.”
Careful reading of the article reveals that to be a one-sided perspective. The article mentions that BC both imports and exports, and that ‘“the odds are high” that B.C. power exports are displacing dirty power.’
Because BC has extensive reservoir storage, its excess generating capacity can be supplied when regional demand is highest. The article’s figures show that for 2018 the net sale price was 75% higher than its purchase price. BC purchased 0.9 million megawatt-hours more than it sold, yet received $210 million more than it paid. There’s a clue in there for the clueless that can’t wrap their minds around the notion that non-dispatchable power from wind and solar is worth less than supply that can be provided when needed. Not worthless, just worth less. Some of them probably do know it, and just won’t admit it. It’s not sleazy being green… but it helps.
BC was a net importer of about 10% of its 2018 export sales, so there was some [regional] net extra fossil fuel use. That being said, if it weren’t for all the environmental activism and political shenanigans associated with the Site C dam, its supply would have been available long ago and BC would be a net exporter, reducing the collective regional emissions from coal and gas generation.
BC Hydro has been importing coal-generated electricity from Alberta for decades. The coal-fired Alberta generating stations have surplus power at night (coal generation can’t just be turned off when Edmonton and Calgary’s peak demand hour is over). They sell it cheaply to BC Hydro, which is then able to reduce hydro generation while water builds up behind the dams (the drier the weather is in BC, the more they need to do this). There were long-term agreements to do this in the 1980s and 1990s under both Socred and NDP governments.
The point is, the hypocrisy of the GreeNDP government, claiming to be SO Green, but, its BIZNESS as usual when it comes to powering the province. The GreeNDP is just not being honest about it, whatsoever, I’m just SO surprised at that, Not!
The sooner we can get rid of these dishonest, thieving, two-faced, anti-business, socialist kleptocrats the better. They’ve squandered a massive budget surplus on outrageous social spending, penalized large employers with their health taxes, and created more dependency on government than I can remember.
Plus, they just ceded any and all control of resources to the natives via UNDRIP with their “Don’t call it a Veto” Veto powers legislation.
I’m not sure who is a more despicable, lying dipshit as finance minister, Morneau, or Carole James….a social worker in control of the provincial finances. Its surreal and ridiculous, but hey, still LOTS of OPM out there to take away!
The GreeNDP with their federal pals in the Liberal party, are well on the way to destroying rural life in BC too, but hey, they don’t vote GreeNDP so who cares about those Deplorables. They’ve managed to curtail the O&G industry, they turn a blind eye to their coal production, they’ve managed to shut down a good portion of the forest industry through massive increases in employer taxes and regulations, and stand idly by for 6 months while WFP and their union squabble over a new contract. Why doesnt WFP just shut down, and give the Union what it really wants a pyhrric victory if there ever was. Unfortunate all the contractors have to be caught in the middle while the effin union thinks it operates in a vacuum. Their environmentalist masters would certainly applaud though.
Gawd I hate the ENDP and their blind allegiance to their pay masters, the unions.
British Columbia, Indian words for Giant Park of Welfare Peoples
British Columbia, Indian words for Giant Park of Welfare Peoples
Speaking of which, don’t you just love how the provincial government is slowly giving it all back to the natives? All that horsing around 50 years ago about “land claims” turns out to be for nothing. Re-naming the Queen Charlotte Islands was just an opener.
I’ve mentioned elsewhere about the economic situation in NE B. C. Guess who’s got some of the biggest offices in the downtown area of Fort St. John? From what I’ve seen, there’s a fancy schmancy provincial government union facility where a garage used to be and there are at least 3 native groups with offices in that part of town.
Climate change isn’t about climate.
It’s about fooling you. And taking your lifestyle. And your money.
And giving you Liberal-Lite Communism.
How much clearer can they be?
Canadian Media??????
“Or, as U.N. climate chief Christina Figueres pointedly remarked, the true aim of the U.N.’s 2014 Paris climate conference was “to change the [capitalist] economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.”
” One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.”-Edenhofer
-But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. -Edenhofer
(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there……….
(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.
(EDENHOFER): Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet – and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 – there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
For the record, Edenhofer was co-chair of the IPCC’s Working Group III, and was a lead author of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007 which controversially concluded, “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/noel-sheppard/2010/11/18/un-ipcc-official-admits-we-redistribute-worlds-wealth-climate
Canadian Liberal major domo Maurice Strong:
“Strong once posed the rhetorical question: “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?” His advocacy of socialist redistribution reflected an open hostility to Western industrial society, which had (in his view) impoverished and underdeveloped third-world societies. “If we don’t change,” he said, “our species will not survive[.] … Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse.”
“Man-made global warming is a non-issue. Not only has it never been scientifically proven, but its purpose is to manipulate the masses, using alarmist rhetoric, into abandoning Western industrial society by fanning mass hysteria to a fever pitch. Once this was done, getting the electorate on board with curtailing Western scientific and technological development would be a cakewalk. As an ideology, environmentalism is just black-and-white moralizing within a simple Marxist dialectical framework.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/09/climate_change_a_leftist_excuse_to_redistribute_wealth_and_destroy_the_west.html
As a hydro rate payer on the left coast, I’m quite OK with BC exporting power at a higher price than it imports it and I could give a rats ass that it might be from coal fired plants. The Narwal author comes from Victoria where its “Hospice economy” (recycling pension and government cheques) is considered a “model” for the rest of a resource based province.
As for this climate conference, it’s good that there are countries participating with more brain-power than those we send from the deranged dominion, resulting in stalemates and stasis.
Is Victoria still dumping its sewage in the ocean? Just curious.
The sewage project is well underway, should be finished in 2 years.
Remember, no one ever died or got sick from the current process of deep sea discharge. The system worked, and was built originally be sensible governments, not the current version of socialist extremism present here on the left coast.
Despite the fact that the old system worked well, the socialists here were very worried what people in Seattle thought, so they embarked on this Billion plus project, to create $100k/yr sewage plant CUPE jobs
Thirty years ago while I was living in Port McNeill ( pop <3000 ) on the North end of Vancouver Island, the BC (NDP) government (MoE) sued our town to force us to install a secondary treatment facility. Prior to that we had a deep water (active currents) discharge and maceration with almost undetectable sewage 100 metres down current from discharge. No such pressure was ever exerted in greater Victoria (pop 380,000) and now the federal and provincial taxpayers are funding 2/3 of the near billion dollar project.
“resulting in stalemates and stasis”
Yes. For instance Japan finally took a good look at it’s national Red Ink smeared balance sheets and decided that it’s industrial economy cannot do Kyoto style Seppuku. So solly.
You know times are tough in swampdom when bureaucratic class statist parasites can’t agree on how to waste others’ money.
As far as dams in NE B.C. are concerned, perhaps they can just do it in the same manner that the Wacky Bennett damn (intentional) was constructed. no permits, no approvals no questions asked, just high paying short term jobs and more tax income.
End results were all downstream and outside of B. C., so of no consequence to the provincial government. My cousins in the Lake Athabaska area should be suing B.C. for money, not the whole of Canada.