57,000
207,000
2 million
Those are the numbers of non-citizens and dead people sent voter cards last election and the number of people Trudeau wants to add to the voters list.
57,000
207,000
2 million
Those are the numbers of non-citizens and dead people sent voter cards last election and the number of people Trudeau wants to add to the voters list.
If you think there’s some fraud now, wait until they propose online voting.
Yup. Doing things on-line is just so secure isn’t it?
I found out about it while I was teaching. Our students had to take a math course during their first term but–guess what–it was done on a computer. For some reason, that course had an enormously high pass rate. I guess those students were all math geniuses, weren’t they? (I hear the Brooklyn Bridge might still be for sale….)
And I have zero faith in government entities like Elections Canada. Recall they warned CBC ahead of time about a ‘raid’ on conservatives a while back? It wouldn’t shock me at all if some rogue lefty working for Elections Canada sent online ‘ballots’ to foreigners to pump up the numbers
There should be a formal voter registration in concert with motor vehicle registration. To register a birth certificate or citizenship card must be presented. Non-drivers would get the same card for free, preferably in a different colour. And anyone who says black people or Indians are too stupid to know how to register should be charged with a hate crime for their racism.
citizenship card must be presented
I did that when I voted in the last federal election. The polling station staff gave me strange looks, wondering just what I was trying to prove. (Uh, maybe I’m a citizen and I can actually show that I’m eligible to vote?)
If you don’t live in the country and haven’t for years then what riding are you voting in? Whichever one you want? Whichever one the government wants?
I’d imagine this could radically alter the vote in places like the Toronto suburbs, places that both main parties are competitive and need to win. I can’t see how people who haven’t lived here for many years should get any say. They have no skin in the game.
I think that Rev.Canada should send out a voter id card a couple of months before the fall election. Both the Rev.Canada voter id and the voter registration card should be required to be able to vote. It would ensure correct addresses and citizenship because both of those are required on your tax forms. Every individual who gets a paycheque or tax benefit fills out tax returns. It is also an accurate record of deaths because the executors must fill out a final tax return for the deceased. All personal info is updated annually on their database.
That feeds into what I have said for years but usually get pilloried for saying.
Universal suffrage is a mistake. Only taxpayers should get to vote.
Show up at the polling station with your previous years Notice of Assessment. (There’d be more rules to it than that obviously but that is the idea).
Parasites on the system will always vote for more entitlements. Those who foot the bill should have the only say.
Go ahead. I’ve been called racist, sexist, capitalist (somehow that is a pejorative) and worse.
Hasn’t changed my mind.
I totally agree. The writer, Neville Shute, went further and suggested a multi-vote system. One vote for owning property or a business, a second vote if you were (or had been) in the military, police or fire fighter. If you do not have “skin in the game”, you should not be allowed to vote. And definitely NOT if you are in prison. Mind you, in the last provincial election (a family member worked for Elections Saskatchewan), polling booths were set up in the various prisons and manned for the 12 hours of the voting day – on average, only 2 people voted per prison. Turns out, if you were a screw-up in regular life, you continue to be a screw-up in prison.
Any party who proposed separate voter classes and vote removal would be wiped off the electoral map. They’d lose and lose badly. Opening up debate on fringe or contentious voter issues is one thing, as a political platform it is crazy.
furthermore bigmomma, election changes in canadistan kinda like senate ‘reform’ requiring consent from . . . . .
from . . . . . . . .
the senate !!!!! thus ZEEEEEERO odds.
Why in the world should police or firefighters or military get an extra vote? They can be the worst parasites out there.
semi retired conservative: EXACTLY!! I think we should have a flat tax in Canada everyone pay’s something….THEN AND ONLY THEN COULD YOU VOTE!!
L, dumb idea, as some people “appear” to pay tax, butt effectively do not pay tax. Means test, and scaled vote. But as LC states, that it would be political suicide.
Indeed, it would be suicide … unless you go Pinochet first.
S-RC I disagree, everyone who rents isn’t a parasite.Try making a down payment in the Vancouver or Toronto housing markets, you have to have about $150,000 just for a modest condo. Very few working couple today can save up that much in a short time, so they should be disenfranchised while the Hong Kong billionaire, with nice legal Canadian citizenship and owns two dozen apartment buildings should get, what, a vote per apartment ? lessee now, so Li-Ka Shing owns 12 buildings with 60 apartments in each, so he gets 720 votes in the election?
Large Mother: And as for Neville Shute’s idea, absurd, you can’t give people special rights because of their occupations, if that was the case, nurses should each get about ten votes for the bloody (literally) job they have to do, far more dangerous than cops or firefighters, despite Hollywood’s attempts to portray otherwise.
And which heroes in the military should get more votes, the guy who joined up as a mechanic twenty years ago, has never left Canada, and has never put his life on the line for this Country? All soldiers aren’t combat soldiers, there are thousands of support staff behind every guy in the field, so should Gen. Romeo Dallaire get 1000 votes, as he made it all the way to general, and served in peaceful Rwanda? The secretary/ Corporal in the recruiting office in downtown Toronto should get how many votes as a military veteran?
Perhaps instead of trying absurd “fixes” for the electoral system we should concentrate on teaching people about the history of this Country, and what they are voting for, with maybe mandatory voting with the incentive if you don’t vote, you lose half your personal deductible or half your next welfare cheque.
It’s no worse than giving government employees multiple votes.
yup Don, “values” are subjective:-)))
You mistake me for another poster, sir. I said nothing about owning real estate as a requirement to vote.
Renters are taxpayers too.
a renter pays the taxes for the property he rents, it just doesn’t come from the renter’s hands to the tax man. no renter, then the owner has no revenue to pay the taxes.
“Only taxpayers should get to vote.”
Yes yes and for thousandth time yes.
No public sector employee, no welfare queen no university student should ever be allowed to vote. I would require three years of continuous employment in the private sector for employers certified as not being government subcontractors. That would shrunk public sector to necessary size instead of the massive cancer it is right now.
But just think.
Your name will still be remembered 40 years after you are dead.
Here in Florida, We had dozens of voters that were 130 years old, or older.
Born in 1885, served in World War 1 and still going to the polls to vote Democrat,
Amazing.
Pierre Turdeau and Michel Turdeau will be voting in the next election.
You’re suggesting Rev Can control it??? Are you nuts?
Nope. Only verify your identity, citizenship, address and that you currently draw breath. A second level of election security. Elections Canada already uses Rev Canada as one source to compile voter rolls, in addition to prov. drivers license and other provincial and federal databases.
The actual number of cases of voter fraud — willful attempts to impersonate someone else in order to cast one or more extra ballots — is vanishingly low in Canada, as it is in the US.
The actual number of cases of people who are legally eligible to vote but did not — due to identification rules, transportation barriers, etc. — is in the hundreds of thousands.
If you actually care about the integrity of our voting system, then your concern should be focused on the latter, not the former.
I think it’s important to tackle both issues. The power of “and”, not or. Canadians of convenience are a complicated issue and not just with voting. The fact that the Liberals seem desperate to push this through quickly before the next election should send up at least a few warning flags. Particularly since they dropped every other aspect of their election promise of electoral reform.
“The actual number of cases of people who are legally eligible to vote but did not — due to identification rules”
Who doesn’t have ID? People who don’t smoke or drink, don’t drive, don’t have a bank account, and aren’t on welfare. Pretty much no-one.
Nonsense, voter fraud is not vanishingly low. It is sufficient to turn close races in favor of dhimicrats. and it did. Voter fraud gave US senator Al Franken and he delivered Ogabecare.
As for those who want to vote but cannot, I am calling bullshit again. Yes there may be instances when one needs to make sure their papers are in order. Or make arrangements. So? Get your papers in orders and make arrangements.
P.S. You’re not the blog owner Kate, right? You’re just another Kate?
“Nonsense, voter fraud is not vanishingly low. It is sufficient to turn close races in favor of dhimicrats. and it did. ”
He said without any evidence whatsoever.
Under 2.9 million votes were cast in Minnesota in 2008. Franken won by 225 votes. You going to argue that in all those 2.9 million votes there weren’t 225 illegals voting for Franken? Of course you will.
But we know you’re full of $hit anyway. Results like the one for Franken are precisely the reason you want voter fraud. And that is precisely the same reason you want unrestricted immigration.
Ah the old ‘shifting the burden of proof’ gimmick. A time-tested tactic.
Yawn, keep barking. Not like anyone accuses you of being genuine in the first place.
The old ‘ad hominem’ gimmick. Another time-tested tactic.
Lol it thinks it is a person.
Fact remains Franken won well under the margin of voter fraud. The rest is just your tired cynical “nothing to see here, move along” song and dance that none takes seriously anyway.
I suspect the opposite Kate. Overheard at Timmies: “Jeeze, you know I can’t understand my Uncle. He used to be a staunch conservative all his life – always voted conservative in Fed’l and Prov’l elections. The last two elections since he passed away though, he’s been voting Liberal. Now why do you think he would do that?
Exactly this. Systemic Voter Fraud is the Bigfoot of conservative politics in the US and the GOP has never caught him despite having multiple chances. There is a good case for cleaning up the voter rolls.
I’ve heard the taxpayers only vote idea before and while there are a few good arguments in favor, in my opinion, there’s more good arguments against it. For me, the most convincing argument against is that most everyone pays GST, PST, HST. There’s other fringe vote reform proposals like votes for teens, voting with personal electronics, mandatory voting, parents get extra votes for minor children and more taxes,more votes. All of them would encounter resistance, I suspect. Some would be good topics of debate.
Somewhat related, I think health services cards should have picture id for everyone from kindergarten up (most schools take pictures). Not only to prevent free health care fraud but to have more people with picture id. If you don’t drive or have a passport, this can be a problem.
Those are consumption taxes. We would not be concerned with what you do with your after tax income. We would be concerned with income.
Prove to us that you work and earn a living first. Show us a NOA that proves you are a contributing member of society and therefore have a stake in proceedings. Then you are allowed to vote on their outcome.
Would people still be able to game that ? Perhaps. Would some people get disenfranchised some elections ? Perhaps.
The devil is in the details and those are for bureaucraps to work out.
With the present referendum on proportional representation being conducted in BC at the moment this is a timely article. I’ve maintained for many years that the only proportional representation that is acceptable should be of the type that is proportional to the amount of benefit that you have contributed to the country. This representation if implemented properly could essentially remove from the voter lists;
– all felons that are currently serving time,
– all welfare recipients that have received government assistance for more than five years,
– all Canadians that have not lived in the country for the last five years,
-all dual nationality citizens that have spent more than six months out of the last twelve out of country,
– all recipients of government cheques that have never paid income tax on earned income,
-and lastly retired Canadians that only receive CPP and OAP and no other government pension cheque should have their vote upgraded to the value of 5 times the vote that politicians get.
Any other ideas would be welcome.
Moar catnip.
I voted.
Who knew Joe Volpe still had supporters and in the thousands no less.
This is a serious matter.
Where is Andrew Scheer?
Using a ouija board to drum up support from dead Conservative voters? (His degree wasn’t in political seance, was it?)
How else is Justin supposed to win?
Justin’s “victory” is very important, so he cannot be allowed to lose. The world is depending on “Canada” dissolving itself and Balkanizing from east to west so as to meld with the UN’s preferred version of how “Canadians” should live, or if we should. Trust Justin when he says our replacement is the only way to save “Canada”. Now, who doesn’t want to save “Canada”? All patriots should want to save “Canada” via their replacement however it is manifest.
We mustn’t be divisive, which means, shut up and die.
Voter ID law is too easily a back door for a National ID program ex REAL ID. This is a cure far worse than the disease.
The last century was supposed to belong to Canada, but it was squandered. Now the future belongs to the Globalists. The system of Government we have is ripe for abuse and it will only get continually worse. A party with 39% of the vote gets to pass all legislation, appoint Supreme Court members, appoint the members of the Senate, appoint all federal bureaucrats and decide how much money it can play with.
So how much oversight is there when you friended, hired, and decided who would keep vigil? It’s not yet full communist but that’s the only destination possible.
I just thought of the ‘taxpayer voter’ loophole. (there always is one).
CRA allows Cdns to voluntarily pay taxes out of the blue.
ok, pay a few bucks and keep the receipt.
now yer a precious taxpayer, now ya get to vote.
then the hard right wing changes the rules AGAIN (and again and again and again and again) to
suit themselves.
bye bye democratic tradition, helloooooo ‘democrapcy’ in the hands of the wealthy. (kinda like ol’ britannia when they were fine tuning things). kinda like when ONLY the ELITE landowner could pick one of their own to tell everyone else how to live.
kinda like what you constantly and CORRECTLY gripe about the TURDoo elites do.
fcuk off all you hard core right wingers, m’kay? FCUK OFF.
Your cute outrage aside. Making a voluntary donation to CRA does not make you a a taxpayer if you receive more from the taxpayers than you contribute.
Why id democracy in the hands of the wealthy (if by wealthy you effectively mean middle income and higher households) a bad idea? People are wealthy because they work hard, delay gratification and make the right choices. these are exactly the people who should be voting.
P.S. I missed the memo that requires me to worship at the altar of universal democracy.
P.S.S. you make a great argument for a minimum IQ threshold for voting eligibility.