This 2013 classic from James Lileks;
Two years later I take a certain grim comfort in some people’s disinterest in the war; if you’d told me two years ago that people would be piling on the President and bitching about slow progress in Iraq, I would have known in a second that the nation hadn’t suffered another attack. When the precise location of Madonna’s tongue is big news, you can bet the hospitals aren’t full of smallpox victims. Of course some people are impatient with those who still recall the shock of 9/11; the same people were crowding the message boards of internet sites on the afternoon of the attacks, eager to blame everyone but the hijackers. They hate this nation. In their hearts, they hate humanity. They would rather cheer the perfect devils than come to the aid of a compromised angel. They can talk for hours about how wrong it was to kill babies, busboys, businessmen, receptionists, janitors, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers – and then they lean towards you, eyes wide, and they say the fatal word:
But.
And then you realize that the eulogy is just a preface. All that concern for the dead is nothing more than the knuckle-cracking of an organist who’s going to play an E minor chord until we all agree we had it coming.
Little has changed.
I remember Andy Barry on CBC Toronto AM, yapping about “Sept 11” being the anniversary of some coup in South America, which he blamed on the CIA. And trying to make that what we should be talking about, on an anniversary of 9/11/2001.
Then again, our family always called him “Andy Asshole” when we discussed his show. So there’s that..
(I had to look up the coup – it was in 1973. Really, Andy, you were an asshole.)
It was the anniversary of the defeat of the Muslims at the Gates of Vienna. Great film by that name. Very unPC.
Ah yes, the overthrow of Salvador Allende, the latter-day Maduro. All one need add is that Venezuela still awaits her Pinochet.
I remember Barry as the era when I was switching morning radio back and forth between CBC and AM talk. And then came Mike Harris and the hysteria about him pushed me into conservative territory. The Doug Ford “reign of terror” has really caused me some severe deja vu….but I’m enjoying it even more this time.
The people who bring out the ‘but’ declare themselves to be enemies of freedom, democracy, civility and the modern world.
Remember that hard left race baiting fool Sunera Thobani sneering American foreign policy had “blood on it’s hands.”
I think she meant white men.
They can vilified as a group, but all Muslims, including those who support terror, cannot be given that broad brush stroke.
IOW, same shit, different anniversary. The appeasers, progressives and US haters don’t want to hear anything else.
If we do nothing and get attacked, we deserved it. If we attack in any way, pre-emptive or otherwise, we have blood on our hands.
Like Israel, we’re allowed to defend ourselves as long as we don’t defend ourselves.
They hate us in the same way; to them, if we would all just die there would be world peace in the caliphate.
Because the caliphate is always peaceful, right?
Agreed. They have become very sophisticated in using our own language and laws as weapons against us.
It was the Acting Director of the FBI that sent a memo to all FBI members telling them to catch up on their Sleep because they would be busy after Sept 11th (That person was Mueller) and the FBI had arrested one terrorist in MN and had his computer, but Head quarters refused to allow access….Mueller the clown. was a Clown then & still is a Clown… Respected? NOT likely
MSM does not interview him about his remembrances…They should!
Wow. I’ve never read that before. What a brilliant writer and thinker. Thanks, Kate.
And among the buts and blame … emerged the factoid meme: … “Americans don’t really ‘understand’ Islam”. Now, 17years on, I fully and thoroughly understand Islam. Islam has made itself very clear. With every “mentally-Ill” stabbing, shooting, wayward driving, bombing, etc. I learn the SAME lesson about Islam over and over and over. My understanding is well bibliographed. And part of that understanding has been learned in … silence. The silence of “mainstream” Islam. You know, that part of Islam so thoroughly praised by George Bush and Co. The same kind of silence applied to the Chicago murder rate. Oh, sure, there are a few token speeches every once in a while, just to provide a “Google link” proving Pax Islamica. But for every one of these speeches, there are hundreds of thousands declaring it’s … all … still … our … fault. That Islamophobia is the … cause. Look! Someone ripped a little girls headscarf from her head (oops). Hey! Where is your … compassion … for the “mentally ill”. Hey! Why won’t you agree to seize everyone’s guns!? Get off your “high horse”.
Murder-excuse-blame
Bombing-excuse-blame
Stabbing-excuse-blame
Slaughter-excuse-blame
Mass murder-excuse-blame
Shooting-excuse-blame
I admit that I’ve never really feared San Francisco or NYC being turned to glass.
But.
I have a very REAL ongoing fear that both will be turned into a Metropolitan Chernobyl. No glass, just “dirty”. That every, home, office, grocery store, and theatre will be rendered uninhabitable until Global Warming finishes the job (*snicker*). That everything I own will be permanently, and irrevocably irradiated in-place. That my entire life, entire wealth, will be rendered … gone. And that’s assuming no mass loss of life. Just a loss of everything else. Thankfully, my Lutheran camp leader warned me to NOT to build up my treasure on earth, where moths, rust, and harmful isotopes (the first century Christians wouldn’t have understood) can destroy. Thankfully my “high horse” will allow a quick escape from the utter devastation.
Yea…I too have learned much about Islam.
It is no Religion.
It is not in any way Peaceful.
There are NO moderates – except for the ones that hand the executioner his sword and video tape the “event”
They will NEVER assimilate – to do so is apostasy.
They will lie – cheat and do anything that helps their world wide Jihad….stealth and otherwise….anything
The question becomes …. Why the Phuque are we letting in Thousands more identical to those we allready have..? Is Western Hemisphere Civilization in a constant state of self immolation via Population Replacement.?
See you local globalist (Trudeau, Soros, Obama, Macron, Merkel) for the answer…which is YES – Absloutely.
As some one once commented. Send Islam a Message: “Kill one more Westerner”.? we Nuke Riyad, do it again & its Medina, Tehran, Islamabad, Karachi etc etc.
@steakman
You forgot Mecca. It should be on top of the list.
Why the Phuque are we letting in Thousands more identical to those we allready have..?
This will make you really to be a Canadian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cRMhU39vg
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“Just yesterday, the news came out about one of
Justin Trudeau’s hastily vetted Syrian refugees
being arrested for the murder of a 13 year old girl.
How little we have learned in the intervening
years.”
Wow 17 years
Federal Grand Jury Petition Filed For New 9/11 Investigation
August 23, 2018
Good news has finally come along for the many people who know office fires cannot bring down modern steel framed skyscrapers, and it’s good news for the rest of the world as well. On April 10th of this year, the non-profit Lawyers Committee for 9-11 Inquiry filed a petition with the U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York, Manhattan, formally requesting that he present to a grand jury, as a U.S. Attorney, extensive evidence of federal crimes relating to the destruction of three World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11/2001. The petition cites broad and conclusive evidence, providing proof of explosives and incendiaries employed at ground zero to bring down the twin towers and WTC Building 7.(1)
Incredibly, America’s government waged war around the world to retaliate for 9-11, but never thoroughly investigated the collapse of these three WTC skyscrapers. This petition with the Department of Justice, for the first time, brings forward into a court of law the cavalcade of credible evidence disproving the official story which blames fire alone for the collapse of these buildings. The 52 page petition, with 57 exhibits, also points out that this crime of bombing a public building was not committed by a single person acting alone, and asks the jurors to inquire into the crimes of aiding and abetting and conspiracy.
The First Amended Petition
On 30 July 2018, an amended petition, The First Amended Petition, was delivered to U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman in Manhattan, NY. This First Amended Petition references all of the same evidence presented in their original petition, but also has added three additional federal crimes that the Lawyers Committee allege the submitted evidence shows were committed related to the tragic events of 9/11.
https://www.911tap.org/557-news-releases/747-federal-grand-jury-petition-filed-for-new-9-11-investigation
@Al
That’s just crazy talk.
@canuckguy
No it’s not. He’s right. Most commenters on here will agree that the msm is full of lies and half truths (at best it would often seem). We don’t believe most of what they broadcast or publish. So why would we believe what they tell us about 9/11? What makes that story right and all the other ones wrong? What did 9/11 ultimately lead to? War in Iraq, and subsequent destabilization in Libya, then Syria, and, if the certain US officials have their way, Iran is next. War is a profitable enterprise for a lot of large corporations, and in particular, lending institutions. Office fires can’t take down a steel structure like that, let alone in its own footprint and especially when the building was compromised on only one side. Diesel (or jet) fuel burns really dirty and relatively cold unless in a controlled environment like an engine. Paper and furnishing are not supremely hot fires either.
We talk smack about Islam, and although I have no use for that religion and no use for the culture it breeds, I am forced to acknowledge that a lot of the more (relatively) recent animosity of Muslims toward the west is a result of the west messing with the homelands of those people.
@7×57
You are talking smack. Such conspiracy theories are total nonsense.
Had President Trump been in office on 9/11/01, nothing would be left of the petro-tyrannies of the Islamic world but highly radioactive ash, Israel would be fifty times her current size, and the Chinese threat to American and Canadian manufacturing (fueled mostly by Arab oil) would be something we would look back on and laugh about.
Oh, what might have been!
Anyone with a basic understanding of structure understands why those towers collapsed. Contrary to popular belief steel structures are very susceptible to catastrophic failure when heated . It only took a few structural columns failing , collapsing floors onto lower floors and overloading the lower columns, taking the complete structures down . Jet airliners carry plenty accelerant to heat the columns . Just a little aside , on a windy day offices on the upper floors would sometimes have to be closed as the top could move as much as 6 feet ( 1 500th of height ) . No one had to detonate anything to take them down , the jets were more than adequate .
I know I’m probably not going to convince anyone here to think outside the official narrative, but for people that purport to hate the mainstream media there’s a whole lot of swallowing what you’re fed going on here.
Has anyone here dumped diesel fuel on the ground and set it on fire? A hot fire it is not. Gasoline is hot, diesel is not. This is partly why diesel works so well in forced induction applications like turbo diesels and turbines. The temps don’t get out of sight like they would with a petrol engine in the same scenario.
I work with steel all the time. There is no way burning diesel fuel will melt steel. The temperature is way too low.
The building swaying in the wind is normal. Many new towers have counterweights up top to stabilize them so people don’t puke. The building has no problem with the movement it’s designed to do that.
So even if we stretch reality and pretend diesel can melt steel or even sufficiently structurally compromise it, we still have a nearly impossible time explaining how the buildings BOTH fell into their own foot print. And that building 7 just fell down all by itself, presumably in despair.
None of it makes sense by the official narrative and when we understand and acknowledge that we by and large cannot believe what our governments tell us, we can come to the logical conclusion that what we’ve been told is false, either mostly or in its entirety. Lots of people died, there’s no argument there. It was a tragedy of immense magnitude. But are we blaming the right people? I don’t think so. Not that there wasn’t motive. But even with all the technical inconsistencies and impossibilities put aside, when we look at the result we get a better idea of perhaps what the intention was all along. Aside from excuses to invade foreign countries, the US also got the Patriot act. Systematic destruction of individual rights and freedoms in the name of security.
Of course airliner engines run on on Jet A and not diesel, among other reasons the latter having a freezing point of about −8°C and it being on average around -34°C at 30,000 ft.
Jet A burns around 815°C which is, in fact, not hot enough to melt steel (1500°C), but it will weaken it significantly, which is one of the reasons why the earliest jet engines which only ran at around 850°C (they can get over 2000°C these days) were prone to catastrophic failure till they got the metallurgy of the various turbine blades sorted (hint – regular steel types didn’t work). Of course anyone who actually worked with steel would know that.
However, you can go on blithely ignoring the thousands of eyewitnesses who saw airplanes fly into buildings and go on believing it was a controlled demolition, and invest in tinfoil futures.
Raw iron from the ground melts at about 1500. Steel starts around 2500.
Turbine hot sections contain a lot of titanium. A turbine hot section doesn’t just get hot from its proximity to burning fuel though, it’s the forced induction of air via the compressor section combined with the injected fuel in the ideal conditions created by the design of the engine. A naturally aspirated fire is an entirely different animal.
But I wouldn’t know any of that would I.
And if you look it up, diesel and jets are actually very similar. The biggest differences are gel temp (although we have winter diesel that solves that problem and also burns worse because of the required additives) and purity. Airport service vehicles used to run jet a instead of diesel all the time. I don’t know if they still do or if the EPA put a stop to it.
Again, the steel did not have to melt, just to be weakened beyond its capacity to handle the designed load. Also, how windy was it that high off the ground? Fuel needs air or an oxidizer to combust, the winds aloft could whip up the flames into a mini blast furnace. A turbine engine uses 2/3 of the core air for COOLING, the flame or hot gas path does NOT touch the sides of the engine, nor the turbine blades. The first and hottest stages of the turbine blades are thin film cooled by that extra air so they don’t melt, as well as being ceramic coated. the gaspath might be 2000 degrees, but no current metal can handle that directly, not while rotating at thousands of RPM (centripetal forces). In fact, turbine wheels and blades are measured for stretch and rejected after a certain limit. Also, while some titanium is used, most of the high temp components are super alloys of nickel based metals like inconel, monel, hastaloy, etc. Jet fuel, while having a depressed gel temp, also has loads of sulfur, compared to the ultra low sulfur we have now, and it would gum up the EGR systems of modern Diesel engines, as well, it lacks the lubricity of diesel, so you have to add a little oil, like a two stroke engine, to keep the pumps and seals happy. Diesel engines are a compression fired engine, it ignites when super compressed, a turbine burns continuously, once ignited.
You might know something of steel buildings, but you know jack about turbine engines.
Oh, and before you ask, I’m an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer w 25 years experience.
@7×57.
Jet fuel is not diesel though it is similar. Jet fuel burns at about 835 C, steel melts at about 1400C so what the burning jet fuel does is weaken the steel enough that it’s strength to support a load is severely compromised. Now stop talking trash.
Notice the second tower was struck, at a lower elevation.
More of the building’s stories above the crash site.
More weight. Made the south tower the likely candidate to collapse sooner.
Fires weakened the steel untill the weight initiated the pancaking collapse.
This clash between civilizations was rekindled after the Paris 1919 peace talks arbitrarily carved up the Ottoman Empire into Allied controlled protectorates and ignored and spurned the hopes of the Arab delegation assisted by T. E. Lawrence, known to us as Lawrence of Arabia. No, it was not Peter O’Toole.
This led to the birth of the Muslim Brotherhood and the rest you know.
Having watched a few buildings get prepared for a controlled demolition, I figure that for that to have brought the towers down, every occupant and visitor in those buildings must have been deaf and blind.
You don’t just stuff the place with explosives and let it rip. There is an enormous amount of preparation work involved, including jack-hammering critical structural points to reduce the amount of explosives needed so that large chunks are not hurled into the next county. Then you have to carefully attach a LOT of packages of explosive to all of the prepared locations and string them together with a prodigious amount of “fuze” and delay devices. This ensures that the explosives detonate in the correct sequence and with the correct timing. Hiding all of that preparatory work and a LOT of colourfully-marked fuze from the eyes of maintenance staff would have added to the challenge. Go to “You-Tube”, or similar, for a “Junior Woodchucks’ explanation (with pictures) of how controlled demolition works. Some may find them enlightening.
As for it NOT involving hijacked aircraft flown into the buildings to get things started, eye-witnesses and cameras seem to have a different view. Who is hiding the missing passengers and crew, alive or “demised”, never mind the two aircraft, and where? What was going on in Washington and Pennsylvania at the same time?
There was a LOT of Jet A, NOT Diesel fuel, on each aircraft, as both had just started on long flights. Jet A is basically high-grade Kerosene. It vapourizes MUCH easier than Diesel. Furthermore, the impact of the aircraft was CRITICAL. It introduced the fuel and the ignition heat into the interior of the building. the aircraft also severed most of the services up the core of the towers. Water, power, lifts, stairwells, everything above the impact was doomed and the evacuation below was hampered.
Finally, Bin Fishfood and his “associates” did their homework. The towers were among the FIRST major buildings in the US to be built without asbestos insulation / lagging on the steel beams. NOBODY has built a steel structure of any consequence, without a LOT of fire-resistant lagging, for over a century.
After the big asbestos “scares” of the early 1960s, “alternatives” were sought. They appear to be somewhat lacking in integrity and performance and are often “upgraded” by the application of a layer of concrete. However, if a feral airliner punches through the structure and debris strips off the lagging right where a huge amount of fuel has jut been ignited….?
Note also that the aircraft that was flown into the Pentagon entered the building and spewed burning fuel right throughout that sector. Parts of that structure also collapsed from the effects of impact and fire.
Now, remind me again about Bin Laden’s professional credentials.
Thanks for that. My only experience with bending steel consists of hours spent in a steel mill watching heated ingots get shaped into a giant roll of fairly thin sheet. You don’t have to melt it. Heat it and apply pressure.
Afghanistan did not attack the US. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and Iran did not attack the US. Most of the terrorists in the planes were Saudis. Perhaps we should have attacked Saudi Arabia. Or maybe Israel. Weren’t there Mossad agents dancing in the Manhattan streets?
Someone over at Unz’ Review has pointed out that we have been at war in Afghanistan for 27 years. We subsidized the Taliban to fight the Soviets for 10 years, and then gave the Taliban a respite before we attacked them for some reason.
We’ve been at war in Somalia since the winter of 1992/93, that’s going on 26 years.
Now there are signs that Iraq is sliding back into civil war, with 6,000 plus American troops on the ground in harm’s way.
And then, there is the very juicy opportunity to attack actual Russians in Syria. What could possibly go wrong there?
PS. Russia has enough nukes to send a few Canada’s way, just for spite.
It just happens that the vilest of the vilest of the Muzzy head choppers are our allies. And that they were behind the 911 attacks just has to be covered up. The deep state runs deeper than a bunch of politicized hacks at the DOJ and FBI out to get Trump. Question remains: was it cuz of incompetence or by intent that the hijackers got to hatch the plot?
Is it a tin foil hat conspiracy after MSM gets onboard?
https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-911-cia-344693
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/16/ny-post-saudi-government-helped-911-terrorists/
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/11/lawsuit-saudi-arabia-funded-operation-before-911/
etc etc etc etc