Trudeau says no deal is better than a bad deal. He won’t say what a bad deal is, just that he backs supply management. What if that kills auto jobs?
Consider that the Government of Canada own stats say that the dairy industry employs about 41,000 people directly in both farm and processing. The auto industry employs 125,000 directly and contributes $19 billion to the economy.
So will Trudeau sacrifice auto jobs for a Canadian dairy industry that has expanded into the United States? More here…..
If he gets away with screwing the autoworkers in favour of dairy, Canadians should retaliate by boycotting dairy. It is not that hard to do. Most dairy is not that good for you anyway.
Linda, from what I’ve seen Canada does not produce enough dairy to meet their own needs…the US does
That’s going to be a sticking point
People think that giving in on the dairy industry will get a deal with Trump? Nope, its the only visible talking point. There are lots more. And Trump will add new ones. The courts in BC have figured that out; once people meet your demands – just issue a new set. They keep changing the rules for pipeline approval, and the Turdeau Liberals and the NDP are happy to comply.
Trump has figured this out.
Now Turdeau (and the NDP) do not like real work, they would like to see everyone working in a government job – its easier to control them.
If Trump slaps on auto tarifs, Turdeau figures out he can get re-elected cause he’s standing up to Trump. After all intellectuals are great at standing up on other peoples bodies to get re-elected
Do the math. The cost of maintaining the dairy cartel is about $2.5 billion in inflated prices charged to Canadian consumers. Even assuming there are 41,000 people in the dairy industry (other estimates say its 10-14,000), that works out to a completely unnecessary transfer of $67,000 from consumers to each dairy worker, every year.
It’s madness of course. That we would even consider losing the auto industry – which actually produces rather than steals wealth – is utterly bonkers. You know, Canadians like to think Trump is stupid, but the guy is convincing us to sacrifice cars for cows. Who’s stupid?
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Premier Ford needs to go ape on PM Groper McSparlesocks – it’s worth expending all his political capital on this !
agent smith: Maybe it would be better if Ford dealt with Trump directly. Tell Tru-groper to go to h*ll. Like you said it’s worth expending all his political clout and capital on this!!
Well the Premiers could demand that the Turd resign….Non Confidence vote! Request that Trump holds off Tariffs until a new Government is formed and negotiate a bi -lateral trade agreement (after NAFTA is gone)…..otherwise things will go bad to worst
The Pipe-line Court ruling that gave priority to Environmental activists (Bribed Indians) will shut down Investment… The idea of a total Approved plan is a flawed process.. My learned opinion is that you obtain the best results if you start with all the known components and build into the unknown. (a commitment to Environmental issues is worth more). GM VP developed that technique and it cut months off Design & Development of New Auto Models
It’s hardly surprising, I suppose. Trudeau is a Québécois first and foremost, despite his mother being a Sinclair and his protestations to the contrary. He has already screwed over Alberta and Saskatchewan with his very deliberate non-action in the pipeline front. He is poised to destroy Ontario’s automotive sector, and if that sector goes the dominos will continue to fall.
He is using Trump as a very cynical boogeyman for his own incompetence. Trudeau’s unwavering stance on including his progressive tropes in these agreements will send us spiralling into a deep recession. With the Ontario Liberal’s debt-ridden legacy hanging over the heads of Canadians, Quebec’s ongoing transfer-payment-siphoning entitled position in confederation, the deliberate hamstringing of the oil and gas sector, and the continuous blind progressive mantra emanating out of Ottawa, I don’t have much optimism.
Actually, Trudeau is an Ontarian, born and raised in Ottawa until age 13.
Québécois are not just limited to the province of Quebec
“This country it belongs to us”… Juthtin the Molester talking about how Trudopia (formally Canada) belongs to Queerbek and Queerbekers.
There had to be a reason car factories were moved to Canada in the first place………cheaper
…if it’s cheaper to manf cars in Canada than in the US…..why?
If Trump slaps tariffs on Canada cars….for one thing, there’s a ton of other cars out there that are not made in Canada…very few people are that brand loyal and they will just buy some other car…they all look alike to me any way…
…and if it hits the Canadian car manf hard enough, they will just move factories back to the US….I doubt there’s enough car buyers in Canada to support them….and along with that, move jobs, taxes, insurance…all the tons of peripheral money back with them too
On another thought….I wonder if Canada could support all these wonderful socialist programs….if they had more expenses…say like a real military
I just did a quick search for what cars are made in Canada…..there’s not a car on this list that there’s not at least one comparable car, usually more, that someone would buy instead…
https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/auto-auto.nsf/eng/am00767.html
“cars are made in Canada”
More like cars assembled in Canada. From components that come from all over the world. But some portion probably ‘made’ in Canada.
There are lots of car parts made in Canada – many of which are exported.
They didn’t move here they started here – there were several Canadian manufacturers back in the day that over the years were absorbed by American firms. Other plants were built in Canada by American firms to avoid the high tariffs.
wouldn’t everyone sooner milk a cow?
If the Trudeau Liberals can figure out a winning political rational for calling an early election to ‟d e f e n d” the auto industry and the dairy cartel, then you can bet your bottom dollar they will do it. If you are playing political poker a ‟majority” beats a ‟downturn” in the economy every time, especially when you can blame it on Donald Trump and the Americans.
Turning Canadians’ attention away from what is a disastrous Liberal political record and focusing their attention on a “David and Goliath”-like battle with Donald Trump and the Americans would energize the Liberal base and even convince some Progressives and Red Tories to back the Liberals in an early election call.
Butts would be Chretien-smart to call a snap election this fall. Most of Canada hates Trump’s guts, and views Our Justin as the champion of Little Davy Canader versus Goliath Trump the Yankee fascist.
Given the weakness of the Opposition, I’d estimate Trudeau would win about 200 seats.
Don’t encourage them.
I think they would be punished quite severely if they called a snap election.
Cartel nation or unionized bailout nation? How about consumer freedom instead-Unilateral Free Trade now!
Unilateral-me?
2% or rental cars.
Mr. Sophie Grégoire’s choice.
I smell another autoworker bailout with our money.
Trump wants lower food prices for Canadian families while Trudeau wants higher food prices for Canadians.
But we’ll be assured by the media that it is our patriotic duty to demand that we pay more for food for our children.
“Blessed are the cheesemakers, etc….”
The Canadian patriotism angle seems a bit odd after Trudeau declared Canada to be a ‘post national ‘ country.
He also wants to make Canada colder. How wrong is that!
Trump wants US market access. Lower costs to Canadians is an irrelevant side effect as far as he is concerned.
Maybe Trudeau could buy a car company just before it goes broke to go with his failure by design pipeline company.
CAW has been in the socialist tank since the beginning.
Now, it is time to learn about how when Boxer can’t carry the load anymore, Napoleon sends him to the knackers without a second thought.
Welcome to the worker’s paradise you thought you wanted. Hope you enjoy the political power your NDP dues bought and paid for.
Now where is that supply management troll Scar?
He would without a blink of an eye.
He would not know the difference.
He just does what’s he told.
He is an innocent stand in.
He is completely innocent of any decision.
“Trudeau says no deal is better than a bad deal.”
Because no deal is the easiest.
In other words, no deal IS a bad deal.
No deal is a good deal for the Grits, but not for Canadians.
I sincerely hope Trudeau is stupid enough to call a snap election over this.
Since GM stopped producing Astros and Safaris they’ve got nothing I’m even remotely interested in. I’ll just hang on to my 2005 Astro until it dies on me (or more likely, I die in it.)
If I have to buy another vehicle it’ll be a Nissan or Toyota.
I have a feeling he’ll kill both Dairy and Auto
Yes, there was a possibility of win-win-win if Justin had signed a deal like the Mexican terms: keep the auto plants, encourage heavy industry (steel, aluminum) to meet the demand for made in North America car parts, get dairy/poultry prices down while keeping some protection for Canadian producers. Instead we’re likely to lose the auto industry completely, get no rebound in heavy industry, and keep on paying high food prices. And the oil and gas industry will go into the toilet and stay there because Justin has no intention of actually building any pipelines. Awesome.
He will never kill any Quebec industry.
Don’t be so sure. Ontario seats are much more important to the LPC. And even the LPC is divided on SM
“So will Trudeau sacrifice auto jobs for a Canadian dairy industry that has expanded into the United States?”
Yes. Because Quebec.
He’s a Liberal. That’s what they do.
The Boy wonder will kill both industries.
Cause it is 2018.
Amazing how serious ,concerned and vocal our local Mp’s are…..
Oh wait I have heard absolutely nothing from any Liberal MP’s calling for rational behaviour from their own caucus..
While the Media Party owns the responsibility of selling Trudeau, a faulty product sold under false advertising, the regional Members of Parliament are missing in action.
So are they useless? As Pierre the Idiot famously stated.
Or are they enabling the Bong Whisperer as he craters Canada’s Economy?
Sure the Ministers of the Crown resemble a Kindergarten, but they get their power through the votes of regular MP’s.
So are these MP’s treacherous fools as well?
I suspect so,as I can tell when a politician is lying…their lips move.
Trudeau just wants the nexus of power restored to the Liberal friendly triangle of Ottawa-Montreal-Toronto.
Financed by the West of course, like his father’s vision v.v the NEP.
I predict if we don’t get our act together on pipelines, trade and to a lesser extent immigration, ie the Grits are returned this year or next, depending on a snap election, Canada will cease to be a united nation, and breakup will become a real possibility.
If Quebec politicians crush the ON auto sector to save QC dairy jobs, plus stop pipelines, TROC will separate from them.
Cows are cute , and cars are like icky and stuff. So, cows, definitely. To a politician, an SUV is like sausage – they like to ride in them, but they don’t want to see how they’re made.
So then … it’s cars or butter.
Leftist Economists are simpletons.
Enjoy the view of our (sustainable) Trumpconomy from afar. Hopefully, your failing economy and diminutive dollar will attract retail tourists looking for an exchange-traded discount on Canada Goose winter wear.
I believe Team Sockmonkey does not want to get a deal, actually they don’t want negotiations to stop.
Keeping the negotiations ongoing keeps the fighting for Canada meme alive, if the negotiations end deal or no deal, the narrative moves on from the “fight” to “we got screwed” or a crisis goes to waste.
So team Sockmonkey believes that Trump needs to renegotiate NAFTA, but he doesn’t, thats the mistake they made. Trump has his deal and all he needs to do is repeating the caveat that Canada can get in “if they really wanted to”. Thats an important distinction to make. That deal that he signed with Mexico is the NAFTA replacement and team Sockmonkey hasn’t realized it yet, or they have and hope that by playing for time Trump will relent.
The next shoe to drop is when everyone figures out that if anyone is just trying to drag this out, Trump can use that as a basis of bad faith negotiating and then claiming there is a bad faith partner at the table, NAFTA should be abrogated.
Team Sockmonkey is playing wishful thinking on their one preferred outcome.
Oh and if they want a fall election, don’t think Trump wouldn’t take the opportunity to infer that the current Canadian negotiators are weak and just waiting to be fleeced and maybe Canada should get a new team. And all he would have to do to get the comments published is say it was off the record.
So don’t think of this in terms of who will or won’t get ditched for a trade deal, the strategy is to use the negotiations to harm Trump. By any means neccessary.
Yes, play for the mid-term blue wave.
I think there are multiple tracks here.
1. Delay until the mid-terms, they expect the Dementocrats to retake the house.
2. Sign a deal if they must and declare victory against the evil Trump.
3. Call an election.
I don’t expect an election call before Nove 9th.
If Trudeau/Butts DO call a snap election, they have to do it soon. Nov. 9th call would mean an election just before Christmas or “Happy Holidays” as it is now known, and I doubt any politician wants to be working through that period. Voters would go to the polls pissed off, angry, and maybe vengeful and might reject the Party that called the election at that inconvenient time.
Might go for a February election, but if I were in Butts shoes, I’d do a Chretien and call an election as soon as the House is recalled, which is apparently Sept.17th this Fall.
That would give Butts plenty of time to ramp up the Prince Justin versus Nazi Trump rhetoric,and he can even utilize some of Scheer’s statements supportive of Trudeau in the NAFTA debacle.
I guess we’ll find out how capable Butts really is in a few days.
Phasing out the quota on dairy and poultry need not cost (many) jobs as the efficient producers could scale up production (without having to buy more quota) to become competitive for a change. OTOH, the auto sector would be decimated with a 25% tariff. It is shrinking anyway and will continue to do so and doesn’t represent a threat to the US. Big Labour has worked its magic and is doing what it’s best at – destroying its member’s jobs. The Spawn could likely negotiate by phasing out SM but who knows what Butts is getting him to do besides pretending to be a leader of consequence.
The energy increase cost, courtesy of Gang Green, in Ontario probably has more immediate impact on the auto sector than labour cost.
Some commenters above have put the Quebec dairy employment between 10 to 40K. The order of magnitude is less than that of auto/transportation sector in Quebec:
“Although Quebec has no major automobile manufacturer…The industry, consisting of approximately 1,000 companies, employs close to 40,000 people, generates revenues of over $10 billion and accounts for another 36,000 indirect jobs. It is characterized by the presence of world class original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) and by a large number of SME suppliers ”
http://tradecommissioner.gc.ca/quebec/snapshot-apercus.aspx?lang=eng#a_2
So how is it even going to help Quebec to chose the cheese over the cars,
To me the Liberals are just looking to setup a “rally around the flag” election campaign and if they cripple Premier Ford’s Ontario success and recovery, well that’s just gravy. Quebec getting hit as well to them is just collateral damage.
Not that simple. Phasing out even with a tariff Wall would mean most of the production would move to the western provinces where the costs of production are far lower. The landbase in Quebec is heavily fractured making efficiencies very difficult relatively speaking.
“Phasing out even with a tariff Wall would mean most of the production would move to the western provinces where the costs of production are far lower…” And how is that a problem or concern for the consumers of dairy and poultry products? I find it hard to feel for the people of a province that won’t allow Western Oil, preferring Saudi Oil but insisting on making everyone pay double for products of the government sanctioned cartel.
Politically it is very important – the number one reason why SM was created in the first place and the number one reason why it remains in place.
Simpleton attitudes like the argument that “Australia and NZ got rid of SM, why can’t we?” ignore this fact. In both those countries there is really only one dairy region.
I have opposed SM since 1980. The solution lies in a gradual phase-out (15 years) with programs that allow land consolidation (legalizing AG-REITs) and stabilize quota pricing buy-back and other items. Bernier’s et al solution was/is a political non-starter.
Cars or cows?
The dairy industry is a huge deal in quebek. Any change no matter how minor will be seen as an affront. That could mobalize the voters and benefit Max or the CPC. The libranos will be certain losers.
Bongo cannot do anything to the dairy cartel without negative consequences.
I am skeptical of the claimed voting power of the supply-managed Quebec dairy industry. I think the loans they have from FCC and normal banks have more to do with it. Yeast-grown milk will be their end all the same.
Fix captcha ffs!
The calculus in this gong show has always been which province(s) and industries will Trudeau throw under the bus to protect his chosen ones in Quebec. The Bolshevik relic called “supply management” must be given a double flush down the toilet.
Can anyone say racketeering.The dairy Cartel has to go.You can cross the line and get milk and cheese half price.Mr dressup drama teacher already has destroyed the energy sector why not let the midget FreeLand destroy whats left.
In the 1970’s over 20% of all Canadian jobs were manufacturing jobs. Currently, that figure is well under 10%. There is your answer as to which way the PM will lean. Bad for the environment, those manufacturing jobs. I believe this is what Freeland meant when she said very oddly “modernize NAFTA.” The two connotations being environmental concerns and equality in the workplace. Dairy gets the support from your current administration.
This is the same throughout the G20. Service jobs have been more numerous since the 50s.
“Modernize NAFTA” is Barney Turd Freeland speak for “gender equality” (meaning affirmative action for front holes) a ban on right to work legislation in the USA ( must be Diaz) more special status for Indians and State sponsored racism (Identity politics) every man must wear a menstrual pad just like Juthtin the Molester… you know, modern and junk. NAFTA is dead and so is the auto industry of Ontario the only thing to ponder at this point is the level of mendacious Librano/Union/ Mafia/Media spin. “No deal is better than a bad deal” translates into, no deal… count on it.
” equality in the workplace”
Bloody Hell; how many bulls give milk? 😉
Is it bad that I don’t care about either group? I mean Ontario sucks and I wish they’d go and take Quebec with them.
100% agreement here.
Ontario is fine, thanks. Lots of smart, hard working people here all over the province in the countryside, small towns and little cities.
It’s Toronto and Ottawa that could use a few tornadoes and clearing out.
If the Auto Sector loses this fight it will lose all of it’s direct and indirect jobs forever. If the Dairy Cartel loses, it will gain free and unfettered access to one of the most vibrant and prosperous dairy markets in the world.
I am going out on a limb here by suggesting that hopefully Trump does throw a tariff on autos. Since the economic engine of the west has effectively been destroyed by this juvenile excuse for a federal government, the economic driver of the east might as well be destroyed also. This would be a win-win for the Maurice Strong crowd and the eco-wackjob crowd.
“Since the economic engine of the west has effectively been destroyed by this juvenile excuse for a federal government, …”
True Ken….but honourable mention has to go to Notley and her Alberta supporters.
I think that most of those NDP voters have fled back east, by now.
“I think that most of those NDP voters have fled back east, by now.”
Gee, I kinda doubt that.
I mean, what about all those rough, tough, and ready cow-pokers and oil monkeys who have sat idly by and endured years of abuse from Notley and turdo la doo. They’ve been so silent and invisible that there can be only one explanation.
People don’t listen to Trump. He clearly states what he wants to do. He remarked that a 25% tariff on cars would be simpler to implement than a trade deal , so it is clear which route he prefers.
Trudeau’s attachment to China and the NAFTA back door closed is what Trump wants. He can either with or without a deal which makes things very simple from his perspective. If he gets a deal the 75% North American auto content pretty much exclude Chinese steel and parts and the Canadian auto industry gradually moves back to the US. Without a deal and 25% auto tariffs the auto industry moves back more rapidly , but the long term is the same .. Canada loses the auto industry.
Trudeau can run an election campaign blaming Trump , but with the Liberals tanking the oil industry and likely losing the auto industry anti-Trump rhetoric can’t mask the reality of the mess Trudeau has created.