Be afraid: The brains behind Ontario’s energy disaster are now running the country
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How did this get published at the CBC?
I think it’s on a web page that nobody can find unless you get sent the link, like I did.
The comments are NOT following the CBC party line; the censors might have been overwhelmed.
That’s a very positive sign – perhaps the grassroots in this country has finally had enough of the elites preaching at us, and trying to dictate how we should live.
Butts is the problem, MrSelfie is just an electable figurehead playing a part. What else would we expect from an unemployed substitute drama teacher?
Carbon taxes, which will be on top of green regulations and renewable subsidies, will hit Canadians and the economy hard. Does anyone seriously think it’s going to lower income tax or be revenue neutral for most families? They proponents will keep pointing to BC (with outdated data) while ignoring the Australian experience:
“At least four party political leaders lost their job over the issue. It cost the Australian economy $8 billion a year for two years, it raised electricity prices by 25 per cent … and contributed to higher prices at the supermarket.” http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/aussie-think-tank-delivers-carbon-tax-warning-from-down-under
Australia has a similar economy as Canada but they have a milder climate. You can go without AC a lot longer than without heat. Think of the energy poverty Butts and the Liberals have created in Ontario, you can likely double that number to get an idea how much energy poverty will be created in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Meanwhile our American neighbors will not only be spared carbon taxes but will get tax and regulation relief from their new government giving them and all of our other trade competitors an advantage. I predict lots of “bad luck” in the Canadian economy.
We’re all about to get the government that Toronto elected. I suggest we build a wall and declare them a separate province.
Carbon Taxes do NOT reduce GHG emissions. B.C.’s carbon tax is supposed to reduce emissions. But B.C.’s emissions are rising.
“Since 2010, B.C.’s GHG emissions have increased every year,” said economist Mark Lee. “As of 2013 they are up 4.3 per cent above 2010 levels.” …Lee doesn’t work for an anti-carbon tax think tank. He works for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. And he doesn’t mince words. “Let’s cut the cr@p about B.C.’s carbon tax,” said Lee. “To be truly effective, carbon taxes will need to be much higher than B.C.’s current rates.”
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Consider that scenario; a carbon tax so high that it not only reduces emissions, it completely eliminates emissions for all of Canada.
That would lower global emissions by 1.6 per cent. That’s right: 98.4 per cent of global emissions would be completely unchanged even if every single Canadian stopped barbecuing, driving or heating the house. And even that progress could be erased as emerging markets build power plants.
Intelligent people won’t be fooled into believing that carbon taxes benefit anyone besides the tax collectors.
Energy conserving retrofits reduce GHG emissions; Carbon Taxes do not.
Another problem is jobs. In 2009, a study from Spain detailed the job losses that occurred because of green energy.
“The study, which was directed by an economics professor at Juan Carlos University of Madrid, found that every green job created by the Spanish government destroyed an average of 2.2 other jobs, and that only 1 in 10 were permanent.” http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2009/04/07/do-green-jobs-cannibalize-other-jobs/
Of course progressives have tried to discredit it but the term job leakage due to carbon pricing comes up time and time again in objective reports.
Between carbon taxes (2018), higher payroll taxes (2018) and most likely a Netflix tax and a new employer sponsored health/dental plan tax plus ramming through electoral reform…Butts will have Trudeau down to a 15% popularity rating in no time. That’s before the party of Adscam gets caught with pay to play, infrastructure corruption and Quebec favouritism.
It becomes frustrating here in the west when one casts one’s ballot in an election only to find out that it wouldn’t have made any difference–the outcome was decided by the time the polls closed in Ontario.
After someone referred to an item on this website in another thread: https://newalbertaseparatist.com/
I started reading the writer’s comments. He makes some interesting arguments in favour of western separation.
There are few arguments for NOT separating from Eastern Canada.
Back in the 1970’s we had a separatist Party called the Western Canada Concept,in which there were some serious businessmen.I attended several meetings,and what they said made sense then, even more so now.
Unfortunately,just as the WCC was getting off the ground,the leadership was hijacked by lawyer Doug Christie,who made his name infamous by his defence of Ernst Zundel and other nutcases, and the movement died very quickly.
The East,given the new reality of world economics cannot sustain itself.They once had manufacturing and refining as their major source of generating GDP, now they have service industries and government.
We still have the resources,and that is all Canada has to sell on world markets, but the Easterners don’t realize that,living in their green jobs fantasyland. Just our coal sales alone would pay for a good percentage of our operating costs.
Western separation would be the best thing that ever happened to Western Canad,the worst thing that ever happened to Eastern Canada,which would be Venezuela North within six months of our separation.
We could deport the likes of Nutley and the rest of the Dippers to the East,and take our part of the Country back.
It’s nice to dream,but it’ll never happen,we’re too Canadian, which is a euphemism for “complacent”.
Western separation would be the best thing that ever happened to Western Canada
Yes, but unfortunately I suspect you’re right: it’ll never happen,we’re too Canadian, which is a euphemism for “complacent”.
The Lieberals know this — it’s the basis for their power and control. Too many Canadians, mostly from Ontario, WANT to be governed by their “betters” not represented by their equals. Vestiges of the monarchy die hard.
Well, Don it’s being complacent at all. It’s being stooopid! And we in the east are stooopider!
Ooops, that should read “not being complacent”
We could have solved this problem years ago if all of Canada could have voted on Quebec separation.
There is no possibility that Ontario Libranos like PM Butts and Katie Telford have any brains at all… Their thieves and liars and full of contempt for their Trudopian followers but that doesn’t mean they’re smart… stealing $250.000 to move from mOronto to Ottawa was a nice haul that any low level thief would applaud but it didn’t take any brains to graft a corrupt system… Climate gangsterism is also an easy racket for the privileged lazy gangster, but again it is more a reflection of someone who is dishonest, perhaps sociopathic, someone overflowing with contempt for others, but again not necessarily an indication of intelligence…if evidence exists that Butts has a brain I’d be very surprised… The maggot corrupts everything and everyone he touches with his bold unapologetic ideological denseness… Butts is just as dense as Lispy Fidel Jr. but with the personality of an undertaker and a sneering malevolent personality he’s essentially unelectable… best to hide his nihilistic tendencies his failed policies and his malice behind the sunny idiot.
no, you are right the word is stupid.
“Unfortunately,just as the WCC was getting off the ground,the leadership was hijacked by lawyer Doug Christie,who made his name infamous by his defence of Ernst Zundel and other nutcases, and the movement died very quickly.”
A WCC devoid of principles was doomed to failure. Zundel was indeed a nutcase but no reason to suspend free speech. He was the poster child for the HRC commissars. An independent Western Canada with the same fascist and socialist policies of the East is of no value to anyone except its political class.
Brains??? Gimme a break!
…Energy conserving retrofits reduce GHG emissions; Carbon Taxes do not…..
That may be, but when the Utilities realize their revenue stream is shrinking, they will in fact raise the price – In exactly the same manner that Ontario Electric producers did when they instituted a Conservation policy and everyone went nuts with flourescent lighting…revenue went down – prices went up and in the end the consumer gets bent over again.
Another good example is Ontarios and BC’s “emissions testing for vehicles”….I was in Barrie back in 08-10 and had to take my Duramax in…drove in the bay, buddy does nothing other than get my vin from the drivers side windshield…punches it in to his computer…I wait 7 minutes and out spits a report saying: Clear – Clear – Clear – Clear….that will $39.95 please. At no point did they actually check to see if I even had exhaust or emissions of any kind..! A more clear case of getting bent over I have yet to see.
To me it is this whole premise of CO2 Emissions itself that needs to be attacked.
On more than one occasion on this planet have we seen concentrations of over 2000 parts per million…and strangely enough…no mankind to be seen…!
This is IMO, and always has been a wealth distribution scheme orchestrated by the Maurice Strong’s of the planet and supported by the thousands of 3rd World minions at the UN.We live in Canada with winters only seen in Siberia and given the bent of our current governments rife with ideological – quasi religious fanaticism as opposed to sober economic thinking…this country will end up a backwater of socialist misery…..we can see it already…
Your take on Gerald Butts is spot on….I had the misfortune to listen to this degenerate sack of Eco NAzism….wow, this guy would be quite happy to see the worlds population reduced to about 1 Billion souls…and he believes it. I also noted when doing some research, that he carries a resemblance to Heinrich Himmler…from the side, the way he carries his head – he has that Teutonic arrogance about him that any one of us would love the opportunity to beat it out of him…ya know..??
….that same smug (f’k you, I know better face..right.?
I despise that dirtbag sack of shit…he and his Liberal buddies have in 7 yrs destroyed the Province of Ontario. You WILL NEVER See manufacturing return to that province. With the highest SubNational Debt on the Planet + Highest Electrical Costs in North America + Highest Tax Regime in North America…who in their right mind would invest in that province..???
NO ONE.
So Ontario – DEAD
Quebec…pretty much the same.
East Coast – Lame at best
And we stay in this misbeggoten country WHY.??? To get boned once again by Easterners want our Resource Dollars…???
I’m With EZRA F*&K YOU
How did this get published at the CBC?
I think it’s on a web page that nobody can find unless you get sent the link, like I did.
The comments are NOT following the CBC party line; the censors might have been overwhelmed.
That’s a very positive sign – perhaps the grassroots in this country has finally had enough of the elites preaching at us, and trying to dictate how we should live.
Butts is the problem, MrSelfie is just an electable figurehead playing a part. What else would we expect from an unemployed substitute drama teacher?
Carbon taxes, which will be on top of green regulations and renewable subsidies, will hit Canadians and the economy hard. Does anyone seriously think it’s going to lower income tax or be revenue neutral for most families? They proponents will keep pointing to BC (with outdated data) while ignoring the Australian experience:
“At least four party political leaders lost their job over the issue. It cost the Australian economy $8 billion a year for two years, it raised electricity prices by 25 per cent … and contributed to higher prices at the supermarket.” http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/aussie-think-tank-delivers-carbon-tax-warning-from-down-under
Australia has a similar economy as Canada but they have a milder climate. You can go without AC a lot longer than without heat. Think of the energy poverty Butts and the Liberals have created in Ontario, you can likely double that number to get an idea how much energy poverty will be created in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Meanwhile our American neighbors will not only be spared carbon taxes but will get tax and regulation relief from their new government giving them and all of our other trade competitors an advantage. I predict lots of “bad luck” in the Canadian economy.
We’re all about to get the government that Toronto elected. I suggest we build a wall and declare them a separate province.
Carbon Taxes do NOT reduce GHG emissions. B.C.’s carbon tax is supposed to reduce emissions. But B.C.’s emissions are rising.
“Since 2010, B.C.’s GHG emissions have increased every year,” said economist Mark Lee. “As of 2013 they are up 4.3 per cent above 2010 levels.” …Lee doesn’t work for an anti-carbon tax think tank. He works for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. And he doesn’t mince words. “Let’s cut the cr@p about B.C.’s carbon tax,” said Lee. “To be truly effective, carbon taxes will need to be much higher than B.C.’s current rates.”
…
Consider that scenario; a carbon tax so high that it not only reduces emissions, it completely eliminates emissions for all of Canada.
That would lower global emissions by 1.6 per cent. That’s right: 98.4 per cent of global emissions would be completely unchanged even if every single Canadian stopped barbecuing, driving or heating the house. And even that progress could be erased as emerging markets build power plants.
Intelligent people won’t be fooled into believing that carbon taxes benefit anyone besides the tax collectors.
Energy conserving retrofits reduce GHG emissions; Carbon Taxes do not.
Another problem is jobs. In 2009, a study from Spain detailed the job losses that occurred because of green energy.
“The study, which was directed by an economics professor at Juan Carlos University of Madrid, found that every green job created by the Spanish government destroyed an average of 2.2 other jobs, and that only 1 in 10 were permanent.” http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2009/04/07/do-green-jobs-cannibalize-other-jobs/
Of course progressives have tried to discredit it but the term job leakage due to carbon pricing comes up time and time again in objective reports.
Between carbon taxes (2018), higher payroll taxes (2018) and most likely a Netflix tax and a new employer sponsored health/dental plan tax plus ramming through electoral reform…Butts will have Trudeau down to a 15% popularity rating in no time. That’s before the party of Adscam gets caught with pay to play, infrastructure corruption and Quebec favouritism.
It becomes frustrating here in the west when one casts one’s ballot in an election only to find out that it wouldn’t have made any difference–the outcome was decided by the time the polls closed in Ontario.
After someone referred to an item on this website in another thread:
https://newalbertaseparatist.com/
I started reading the writer’s comments. He makes some interesting arguments in favour of western separation.
There are few arguments for NOT separating from Eastern Canada.
Back in the 1970’s we had a separatist Party called the Western Canada Concept,in which there were some serious businessmen.I attended several meetings,and what they said made sense then, even more so now.
Unfortunately,just as the WCC was getting off the ground,the leadership was hijacked by lawyer Doug Christie,who made his name infamous by his defence of Ernst Zundel and other nutcases, and the movement died very quickly.
The East,given the new reality of world economics cannot sustain itself.They once had manufacturing and refining as their major source of generating GDP, now they have service industries and government.
We still have the resources,and that is all Canada has to sell on world markets, but the Easterners don’t realize that,living in their green jobs fantasyland. Just our coal sales alone would pay for a good percentage of our operating costs.
Western separation would be the best thing that ever happened to Western Canad,the worst thing that ever happened to Eastern Canada,which would be Venezuela North within six months of our separation.
We could deport the likes of Nutley and the rest of the Dippers to the East,and take our part of the Country back.
It’s nice to dream,but it’ll never happen,we’re too Canadian, which is a euphemism for “complacent”.
Western separation would be the best thing that ever happened to Western Canada
Yes, but unfortunately I suspect you’re right:
it’ll never happen,we’re too Canadian, which is a euphemism for “complacent”.
The Lieberals know this — it’s the basis for their power and control. Too many Canadians, mostly from Ontario, WANT to be governed by their “betters” not represented by their equals. Vestiges of the monarchy die hard.
Well, Don it’s being complacent at all. It’s being stooopid! And we in the east are stooopider!
Ooops, that should read “not being complacent”
We could have solved this problem years ago if all of Canada could have voted on Quebec separation.
There is no possibility that Ontario Libranos like PM Butts and Katie Telford have any brains at all… Their thieves and liars and full of contempt for their Trudopian followers but that doesn’t mean they’re smart… stealing $250.000 to move from mOronto to Ottawa was a nice haul that any low level thief would applaud but it didn’t take any brains to graft a corrupt system… Climate gangsterism is also an easy racket for the privileged lazy gangster, but again it is more a reflection of someone who is dishonest, perhaps sociopathic, someone overflowing with contempt for others, but again not necessarily an indication of intelligence…if evidence exists that Butts has a brain I’d be very surprised… The maggot corrupts everything and everyone he touches with his bold unapologetic ideological denseness… Butts is just as dense as Lispy Fidel Jr. but with the personality of an undertaker and a sneering malevolent personality he’s essentially unelectable… best to hide his nihilistic tendencies his failed policies and his malice behind the sunny idiot.
no, you are right the word is stupid.
“Unfortunately,just as the WCC was getting off the ground,the leadership was hijacked by lawyer Doug Christie,who made his name infamous by his defence of Ernst Zundel and other nutcases, and the movement died very quickly.”
A WCC devoid of principles was doomed to failure. Zundel was indeed a nutcase but no reason to suspend free speech. He was the poster child for the HRC commissars. An independent Western Canada with the same fascist and socialist policies of the East is of no value to anyone except its political class.
Brains??? Gimme a break!
…Energy conserving retrofits reduce GHG emissions; Carbon Taxes do not…..
That may be, but when the Utilities realize their revenue stream is shrinking, they will in fact raise the price – In exactly the same manner that Ontario Electric producers did when they instituted a Conservation policy and everyone went nuts with flourescent lighting…revenue went down – prices went up and in the end the consumer gets bent over again.
Another good example is Ontarios and BC’s “emissions testing for vehicles”….I was in Barrie back in 08-10 and had to take my Duramax in…drove in the bay, buddy does nothing other than get my vin from the drivers side windshield…punches it in to his computer…I wait 7 minutes and out spits a report saying: Clear – Clear – Clear – Clear….that will $39.95 please. At no point did they actually check to see if I even had exhaust or emissions of any kind..! A more clear case of getting bent over I have yet to see.
To me it is this whole premise of CO2 Emissions itself that needs to be attacked.
On more than one occasion on this planet have we seen concentrations of over 2000 parts per million…and strangely enough…no mankind to be seen…!
This is IMO, and always has been a wealth distribution scheme orchestrated by the Maurice Strong’s of the planet and supported by the thousands of 3rd World minions at the UN.We live in Canada with winters only seen in Siberia and given the bent of our current governments rife with ideological – quasi religious fanaticism as opposed to sober economic thinking…this country will end up a backwater of socialist misery…..we can see it already…
Your take on Gerald Butts is spot on….I had the misfortune to listen to this degenerate sack of Eco NAzism….wow, this guy would be quite happy to see the worlds population reduced to about 1 Billion souls…and he believes it. I also noted when doing some research, that he carries a resemblance to Heinrich Himmler…from the side, the way he carries his head – he has that Teutonic arrogance about him that any one of us would love the opportunity to beat it out of him…ya know..??
….that same smug (f’k you, I know better face..right.?
I despise that dirtbag sack of shit…he and his Liberal buddies have in 7 yrs destroyed the Province of Ontario. You WILL NEVER See manufacturing return to that province. With the highest SubNational Debt on the Planet + Highest Electrical Costs in North America + Highest Tax Regime in North America…who in their right mind would invest in that province..???
NO ONE.
So Ontario – DEAD
Quebec…pretty much the same.
East Coast – Lame at best
And we stay in this misbeggoten country WHY.??? To get boned once again by Easterners want our Resource Dollars…???
I’m With EZRA F*&K YOU