32 Replies to “Here, Tell These People Something They Don’t Know About Me”
The Ace of Spades article could fit right in with the previous thread “Good”.
Ace says it well. I now feel like my buddy Lew in Tampa.
From the article, “…the whole point of their “conservative agenda” seems to be to accomplish every single Action Item on the liberal checklist, but through, allegedly, more conservative means (such as “market-based mechanisms…”
And, “And for a lot of us, this sort of candidate-most-acceptable-to-the-establishment’s-liberal-pals model isn’t cutting it any longer.”
Ace’s essay made sense to me. I read his thesis to be that Trump refuses to be bullied by “political correctness” so people respect this ostensible show of courage.
Unfortunately, Trump has made so many dumb comments that they more than overshadow any positives he may have from being anti-PC. The one about the wall between the U. S. and Mexico is a prime example. His apparent ignorance regarding free trade (and economics generally) is another.
We (meaning all people) need politicians who act on principle, not just those who can demonstrate a certain amount of apparent bravado without principle or rational ideas.
Ken. The entire essay is a rebuttal to Lances heading of “Good” on the CPC capitulating to the left on gay marriage.
I had read it last night and forwarded it to friends. This is the way the left must be dealt with.
Capitulation on the gay marriage issue if it goes through is the death of the CPC.
It will still exist but will not be conservative in any meaningful sense.
nv53, you are falling into the liberal trap. Ask yourself, who defines the things he says as dumb? The liberal establishment that the article is railing against; our “betters” ho know how the little people should live, the Guardians of Plato’s Republic.
Exactly!
Excellent article by Ace and one that can be used to explain the CPC’s decision to give up on self-evident but inconvenient truths and drink the PC kook-aid..
Why in Heaven’s name do Conservatives think Trump is striking a chord with the masses in the US and being pilloried by the media? When is it a crime to speak truths? Canada needs a jolt right about now, we need a Trump to trump the PC crap we’re being sold 24/7 by the usual subjects.
Well, Madam Wynne got another chance to spout off, tell the world she’s married to a woman, what else really matters?
No ward, why are federal level politicians even bothered with “personal” moral issues. I understand why you said that, but you are wrong. You, like the CPC have allowed the SJW to define your agenda. The CPC should have tossed the issue as not being relative to their agenda, and that they neither supported it nor oppose it, then the SJW would have NO leverage on that front.
ACE wrote a very good article here, and it should help some understand why Trump, who is a fool, needs to win. That will force other pols to redefine their “politics”
The article doesn’t specifically state, but certainly points to the fact that non-political issues, such as sex and sex related, religious and religious related, have very little, or no place in politics, and even less in federal politics. Yup, Trump is a sledge hammer being used to drive in a finishing nail, and that is what is needed:-)))
Nem666. Please explain to me how it’s possible to redefine the definition of marriage to accomodate 2 men or 2 women but not 3 men or 3 women, or any other variation.
If it’s a human right then why can’t as many humans who choose to marry each other?
How do you redefine it to accommodate gays but kick the door closed again for polygamists?
This is about destroying one of the foundations of western culture.
It has nothing to do with gays. They were just the bludgeon used to do it.
If the CPC does not have anyone that can articulate this rather simple argument then they don’t deserve my support.
“People are f**king tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every f**king goddamn thing in the world.”
Dude … Sorry but that’s what Canada is for eh?
Consider, that liberal doesn’t mean what it used to mean and neither does Conservatism need to remain fossilized. You may aware that the one constant is change. You’re either part of the steam roller or you are part of the road.
I have been saying it for years … conservatives need to drop the social and moral issues from their platform. Morality and beliefs in invisible friends is not the job of government, that is the job of parents and churches, or peer groups for that matter.
Conservatives must concentrate of what where they have the advantage and that should be with economy, security, infrastructure and law and order. That’s it … we can manage the rest of our lives ourselves.
Compete on the most important issues and leave all the fluff to the frustrations of the left. In other words stop playing by their rules.
We can be good and decent while not wasting time trying ‘fix’ the social wrongs of the pagan left. Move on y’all. And don’t take any crap from the left. Tell them to shut up.
“This is about destroying one of the foundations of western culture.
It has nothing to do with gays. They were just the bludgeon used to do it.”
Bingo! It is the long term goal of the Marxists to devalue the traditional family unit and replace it with the state as father and mother. We have already seen the results in the collapse of family values with various dehumanizing social programs. In particular, the collapse of the black family units in the US. What is now, about 70% of children born out of wedlock.
No doubt caving to polygamists and the NAMBLA crowd will be next. Maybe drop the age of marriage age of females to nine could be a big hit with a certain group.
Flyboy, exactly.
Trump was for gay marriage and abortion and had many other liberal social opinions which he has publically changed his position on.
Fly, ward etc are prepared to give trump a pass on trump for this but not the the cpc for modifying its position.
Exactly Ken;
The inability of most conservatives to articulate philosophy is a huge problem moving forward. Family is an obstacle just as religion is/was. Any voice that counters progressive thought is a threat. Business has generally been a threat simply because numbers do not normally lie. Numbers demand accountability. Progressives, including many who attended the CPC convention, take great comfort in subjective belief simply because there is no real accountability.
I did not pay attention much to the CPC convention even though I am a long time member. I was asked to attend and declined. Why? As much as the party talks about real consultation with their ‘grassroots’ I have not seen any in my area. Who did our riding send to Vancouver? Anyone who put their hand up as there was not enough support for a vote. This is a riding that had over 1700 party members not 10 years ago. Like many of those past members I have a feeling of betrayal. This is not the Party I spent time trying to build.
Might just be because they, currently, have two conflicting positions.
That’s debatable (and I debate that at the convention.
Are you saying that trump doesn’t have conflicting opinions? And he’s just one person – not millions.
Screw Ace. He was one of those at the forefront of the #nevertrump bullshit from the beginning.
And now this douchbag jumps on the bandwagon? After months of slinging every type of slander and insult at Trump he could think of?
Fvck him. I hope his site loses readership like Hot Air and NRO have by opposing Trump. I hope his site goes the way of little green footballs.
Would serve him right. At least karma would be satisfied.
To be honest, I am in favor of his policies… No matter what they are.
You still keep missing the point, though. His policies have little to do with Trump other than his immigration stance. Conservatives like you still keep crowing about “Muh Ideology!!!” and “he’s not conservative!!”
Us Trump supporters don’t care.
He’s the only one in 30 years who *wants* to fight the PC, media, and liberal fascists. After 24 years of coddling the mentally ill libs and forever conceding ground, he’s the only one who stands up and says “no more”. And if cuckservatives don’t know why they’re hated, that ain’t our problem.
GORD. Not sure why you chose the trump angle to attack my argument.
My argument is from a legal perspective not a moral one. Please address that aspect.
J. This is not about being a cranky old stick in the mud.
Traditional marriage is a pillar of western culture.
Don’t think for a minute liberals care a whit about it. It was a blunt instrument to use against their political opponents. It was all about power.
If destroying the values and institutions that built Canada is what is necessary for liberals to gain or retain power then they will happily do so.
Remarkable that more don’t seem to see the big picture.
Libs don’t really care about the environment either by the way.
Politics is a contact sport!
No?
Do you think turdeux lost any support from his supporters because of the little dust up in the HOC?
The left is always pressing, pressing, pressing..
And the fugging right lets them get away with it..
So you are against free trade? And for abortion if he changes his mind? You are as philosophically rudderless as trump is.
The entire essay revolves around trump and the trumpian attitude. So of course my rebuttal centres on his “conservatism”
Against free trade? Yes, very much so.
Trump says he’s anti-abortion but you could elect one of the Apostles and not have it outlawed. Non starter.
Maybe because Trump has possibly seen the light, while the CPC seems determined to embrace the darkness?
Trump has small hands!!
So you are not a conservative. Anti-free market = anti freedom.
So he’s a prolifer for political reasons
The cpc is Ssm for political reasons.
“The cpc is Ssm for political reasons.”
So, sounds like they now longer have principles other than governing once again?
Ward, “If destroying the values and institutions that built Canada is what is necessary for liberals to gain or retain power then they will happily do so.” And now the CPC has joined them in this goal.
Maybe Ace was initially anti-Trump but has finally realized that the Republican establishment is in bed with establishment Democrats and the people want their voice and government back. Read Comment #15.
Canada even gets into the comments conversation, read comment #653.
Fill us in here Gord, what do the free trade deals have in common with free markets?
Seems to me most of our current financial malaise is due to governments “fixing” the free market and imposing endless BS in the name of “Free Trade.
I see no current correlation.
Once again,what the dictionary has these terms meaning and how our kleptocrats are using them have ZIP in common.
No, Robert (and Liz J), I’m not falling into the “liberal trap”. The comments Trump made (I gave two examples) are dumb.
It’s the alleged “conservatives” who support this buffoonery who have the flexible-to-the-point-of-non-existence principles and who are falling into a liberal trap.
I broadly agree with you re Marxists’ desire to attack the traditional family unit, but I don’t believe that treating gay couples the same as straight ones contributes to it. All it really means is that they can get a tax break for their partner, a joint government pension, and so on. I would not expand this further to polygamous relationships, although I don’t think it should be possible to prevent a man from living with two or more women, or vice versa. He just won’t get more than one deduction on his tax form.
Obviously it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and most people are heterosexual, so the standard family is by far the most common arrangement, and thus it should remain.
Marxism is such a pile of nonsense that it should be easy to defend against it, if you know how, and if you recognize its current predominant incarnation as Gramscian incrementalism combined with the “political correctness” agenda.
The Ace of Spades article could fit right in with the previous thread “Good”.
Ace says it well. I now feel like my buddy Lew in Tampa.
From the article, “…the whole point of their “conservative agenda” seems to be to accomplish every single Action Item on the liberal checklist, but through, allegedly, more conservative means (such as “market-based mechanisms…”
And, “And for a lot of us, this sort of candidate-most-acceptable-to-the-establishment’s-liberal-pals model isn’t cutting it any longer.”
Ace’s essay made sense to me. I read his thesis to be that Trump refuses to be bullied by “political correctness” so people respect this ostensible show of courage.
Unfortunately, Trump has made so many dumb comments that they more than overshadow any positives he may have from being anti-PC. The one about the wall between the U. S. and Mexico is a prime example. His apparent ignorance regarding free trade (and economics generally) is another.
We (meaning all people) need politicians who act on principle, not just those who can demonstrate a certain amount of apparent bravado without principle or rational ideas.
Ken. The entire essay is a rebuttal to Lances heading of “Good” on the CPC capitulating to the left on gay marriage.
I had read it last night and forwarded it to friends. This is the way the left must be dealt with.
Capitulation on the gay marriage issue if it goes through is the death of the CPC.
It will still exist but will not be conservative in any meaningful sense.
nv53, you are falling into the liberal trap. Ask yourself, who defines the things he says as dumb? The liberal establishment that the article is railing against; our “betters” ho know how the little people should live, the Guardians of Plato’s Republic.
Exactly!
Excellent article by Ace and one that can be used to explain the CPC’s decision to give up on self-evident but inconvenient truths and drink the PC kook-aid..
Why in Heaven’s name do Conservatives think Trump is striking a chord with the masses in the US and being pilloried by the media? When is it a crime to speak truths? Canada needs a jolt right about now, we need a Trump to trump the PC crap we’re being sold 24/7 by the usual subjects.
“The entire essay is a rebuttal to Lances heading of “Good” on the CPC capitulating to the left on gay marriage.”
Yup. And Brian Jean suspending an MLA over nothing.
http://canadianlandowneralliance.blogspot.ca/2016/05/albertas-official-opposition-undergoes.html
Well, Madam Wynne got another chance to spout off, tell the world she’s married to a woman, what else really matters?
No ward, why are federal level politicians even bothered with “personal” moral issues. I understand why you said that, but you are wrong. You, like the CPC have allowed the SJW to define your agenda. The CPC should have tossed the issue as not being relative to their agenda, and that they neither supported it nor oppose it, then the SJW would have NO leverage on that front.
ACE wrote a very good article here, and it should help some understand why Trump, who is a fool, needs to win. That will force other pols to redefine their “politics”
The article doesn’t specifically state, but certainly points to the fact that non-political issues, such as sex and sex related, religious and religious related, have very little, or no place in politics, and even less in federal politics. Yup, Trump is a sledge hammer being used to drive in a finishing nail, and that is what is needed:-)))
Nem666. Please explain to me how it’s possible to redefine the definition of marriage to accomodate 2 men or 2 women but not 3 men or 3 women, or any other variation.
If it’s a human right then why can’t as many humans who choose to marry each other?
How do you redefine it to accommodate gays but kick the door closed again for polygamists?
This is about destroying one of the foundations of western culture.
It has nothing to do with gays. They were just the bludgeon used to do it.
If the CPC does not have anyone that can articulate this rather simple argument then they don’t deserve my support.
“People are f**king tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every f**king goddamn thing in the world.”
Dude … Sorry but that’s what Canada is for eh?
Consider, that liberal doesn’t mean what it used to mean and neither does Conservatism need to remain fossilized. You may aware that the one constant is change. You’re either part of the steam roller or you are part of the road.
I have been saying it for years … conservatives need to drop the social and moral issues from their platform. Morality and beliefs in invisible friends is not the job of government, that is the job of parents and churches, or peer groups for that matter.
Conservatives must concentrate of what where they have the advantage and that should be with economy, security, infrastructure and law and order. That’s it … we can manage the rest of our lives ourselves.
Compete on the most important issues and leave all the fluff to the frustrations of the left. In other words stop playing by their rules.
We can be good and decent while not wasting time trying ‘fix’ the social wrongs of the pagan left. Move on y’all. And don’t take any crap from the left. Tell them to shut up.
“This is about destroying one of the foundations of western culture.
It has nothing to do with gays. They were just the bludgeon used to do it.”
Bingo! It is the long term goal of the Marxists to devalue the traditional family unit and replace it with the state as father and mother. We have already seen the results in the collapse of family values with various dehumanizing social programs. In particular, the collapse of the black family units in the US. What is now, about 70% of children born out of wedlock.
No doubt caving to polygamists and the NAMBLA crowd will be next. Maybe drop the age of marriage age of females to nine could be a big hit with a certain group.
Flyboy, exactly.
Trump was for gay marriage and abortion and had many other liberal social opinions which he has publically changed his position on.
Fly, ward etc are prepared to give trump a pass on trump for this but not the the cpc for modifying its position.
Exactly Ken;
The inability of most conservatives to articulate philosophy is a huge problem moving forward. Family is an obstacle just as religion is/was. Any voice that counters progressive thought is a threat. Business has generally been a threat simply because numbers do not normally lie. Numbers demand accountability. Progressives, including many who attended the CPC convention, take great comfort in subjective belief simply because there is no real accountability.
I did not pay attention much to the CPC convention even though I am a long time member. I was asked to attend and declined. Why? As much as the party talks about real consultation with their ‘grassroots’ I have not seen any in my area. Who did our riding send to Vancouver? Anyone who put their hand up as there was not enough support for a vote. This is a riding that had over 1700 party members not 10 years ago. Like many of those past members I have a feeling of betrayal. This is not the Party I spent time trying to build.
Might just be because they, currently, have two conflicting positions.
That’s debatable (and I debate that at the convention.
Are you saying that trump doesn’t have conflicting opinions? And he’s just one person – not millions.
Screw Ace. He was one of those at the forefront of the #nevertrump bullshit from the beginning.
And now this douchbag jumps on the bandwagon? After months of slinging every type of slander and insult at Trump he could think of?
Fvck him. I hope his site loses readership like Hot Air and NRO have by opposing Trump. I hope his site goes the way of little green footballs.
Would serve him right. At least karma would be satisfied.
To be honest, I am in favor of his policies… No matter what they are.
You still keep missing the point, though. His policies have little to do with Trump other than his immigration stance. Conservatives like you still keep crowing about “Muh Ideology!!!” and “he’s not conservative!!”
Us Trump supporters don’t care.
He’s the only one in 30 years who *wants* to fight the PC, media, and liberal fascists. After 24 years of coddling the mentally ill libs and forever conceding ground, he’s the only one who stands up and says “no more”. And if cuckservatives don’t know why they’re hated, that ain’t our problem.
GORD. Not sure why you chose the trump angle to attack my argument.
My argument is from a legal perspective not a moral one. Please address that aspect.
J. This is not about being a cranky old stick in the mud.
Traditional marriage is a pillar of western culture.
Don’t think for a minute liberals care a whit about it. It was a blunt instrument to use against their political opponents. It was all about power.
If destroying the values and institutions that built Canada is what is necessary for liberals to gain or retain power then they will happily do so.
Remarkable that more don’t seem to see the big picture.
Libs don’t really care about the environment either by the way.
Politics is a contact sport!
No?
Do you think turdeux lost any support from his supporters because of the little dust up in the HOC?
The left is always pressing, pressing, pressing..
And the fugging right lets them get away with it..
So you are against free trade? And for abortion if he changes his mind? You are as philosophically rudderless as trump is.
The entire essay revolves around trump and the trumpian attitude. So of course my rebuttal centres on his “conservatism”
Against free trade? Yes, very much so.
Trump says he’s anti-abortion but you could elect one of the Apostles and not have it outlawed. Non starter.
Maybe because Trump has possibly seen the light, while the CPC seems determined to embrace the darkness?
Trump has small hands!!
So you are not a conservative. Anti-free market = anti freedom.
So he’s a prolifer for political reasons
The cpc is Ssm for political reasons.
“The cpc is Ssm for political reasons.”
So, sounds like they now longer have principles other than governing once again?
Ward, “If destroying the values and institutions that built Canada is what is necessary for liberals to gain or retain power then they will happily do so.” And now the CPC has joined them in this goal.
Maybe Ace was initially anti-Trump but has finally realized that the Republican establishment is in bed with establishment Democrats and the people want their voice and government back. Read Comment #15.
Canada even gets into the comments conversation, read comment #653.
Fill us in here Gord, what do the free trade deals have in common with free markets?
Seems to me most of our current financial malaise is due to governments “fixing” the free market and imposing endless BS in the name of “Free Trade.
I see no current correlation.
Once again,what the dictionary has these terms meaning and how our kleptocrats are using them have ZIP in common.
No, Robert (and Liz J), I’m not falling into the “liberal trap”. The comments Trump made (I gave two examples) are dumb.
It’s the alleged “conservatives” who support this buffoonery who have the flexible-to-the-point-of-non-existence principles and who are falling into a liberal trap.
I broadly agree with you re Marxists’ desire to attack the traditional family unit, but I don’t believe that treating gay couples the same as straight ones contributes to it. All it really means is that they can get a tax break for their partner, a joint government pension, and so on. I would not expand this further to polygamous relationships, although I don’t think it should be possible to prevent a man from living with two or more women, or vice versa. He just won’t get more than one deduction on his tax form.
Obviously it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and most people are heterosexual, so the standard family is by far the most common arrangement, and thus it should remain.
Marxism is such a pile of nonsense that it should be easy to defend against it, if you know how, and if you recognize its current predominant incarnation as Gramscian incrementalism combined with the “political correctness” agenda.