This is what the FBI wants from Apple.
The FBI wants Apple to create an image of the OS that allows them access to that specific device. The software image only has to bypass Apples device protection from brute-force password cracking attempts. This can be done at Apple’s facilities or the gov’t and if at the company then they must provide the government access to the device.
The devil is in the last part. It shouldn’t be too difficult to bypass the built-in brute-force protection but in order to do so Apple will give the FBI a system diff of the bypass. The FBI teams should be able to reverse engineer this to create an in-house version.
This is the top 10 countries using Apple’s products.
Now you know why Apple is balking.
Simple. The FBI GIVES Apple the phone as a custodian of the evidence. Apple GIVES the FBI … ALL … the data and information collected on the phone. EVERYONE remains safe. There MUST be a solution that achieves BOTH goals … no ? Really ? We are all GENIUS-enough to create these devices, but NOT genius-enough to provide this safe extraction of information ? I don’t buy it … Cook is making a political statement. And a very UGLY one at that. Cook is telling ALL Americans that they can suck his left nut (oohhhhh … that sounds exciting to Timmahy). Apple is going to PAY a PRICE for this weasel decision.
No good. Breaks the chain of custody and renders any evidence inadmissable.
Apple has taken the right position so far. It does not matter whether it affects Apples US customers or customers elsewhere, the government has no special right to our information. This is not a case of breaking a few eggs to make an omelet. We are all entitled to privacy and the government has no right to eliminate that, regardless of that fact. It is no different than the right to a fair trial, the right to limited search and seizure, etc etc. It’s just like gun-control. Gun registration/control doesn’t work because criminals don’t pay attention to laws, by definition. So criminals will use illegal guns while law-abiding citizens get harassed by the government. This will be the sameL the end result will be that the government has access to the data on the iphones of law-abiding citizens, while criminals will stop using iphones.
Now, yes, it gets even dirtier when you realize that the FBI is asserting a right to information on devices owned by German citizens resident in Germany, I’m sure the Germans will love a foreign government asserting access, and the same goes for UK, France, etc. And yes, when it comes to competitors/enemies like Russia and China, they will be especially resistant to any US backdoor into their citizens’ information.
Inadmissable for WHAT ? The perps are both DEAD. We want their support network … and no … not to “arrest” and “charge” … but to surveille or make DEAD.
“… the government has no right to eliminate that, regardless of that fact.”
Sorry. FACTS do matter. And CHOICES have to be made. It is the world of “moral relativism” that suggests FACTS don’t matter. That MURDEROUS Muslims plotting MASS MURDER are equal to Law abiding citizens. Saying it is so … doesn’t make it so. The two are NOT equal, and NOT entitled to equal protection.
This Obama administration “scares” more normal people with false information than they fool & catch the bad guys.
Back door keys, an unknown policy? Please don’t confirm you are that F&&&ing stupid….
When did you stop beating your wife? Apple
The Right to Privacy, the Right to Bear Arms, the Right to Free Speech, the Right to Life, and the pursuit of happiness – You break one you break them all.
The Liberal left has a pretty dismal track record dealing with most of the above.
Or, more likely, they are already reading everyone’s mail (so to speak) and are just blowing smoke to instill a false sense of security in users.
Why? Easy Peasy, so that folks don’t start using their own codes and continue to believe they are secure in their private communications.
A more interesting part of this (IMO) is that the FBI has ask a court to force a 3rd party private entity to spend resources and do something at all. This is not like apple has the tools ready at their disposal, rather it could if it choose to spend its resources on it.
Shouldn’t the FBI tender the need for breaking this iphone and should apple wish to participate, shouldn’t’ they be able to name their price? They seem to be using the courts to save on development costs by forcing apple to give up its secrets which its entitled to have.
This is not a case where a 3rd party as a key sitting in a drawer and refuses to provide that key, its more like the lock company may have all the drawings and engineers needed to create the key but never did and is not being forced to do so by the state.
If apple has access to peoples phones as part of their terms and the feds want a peak at what all ready exists, I feel that is fine with judicial oversight. But this is not what is going on here.
Did not India try the same tactic with Blackberry?
I can see both sides of this, not being one to get shot or beheaded by some crazy jihadist, but I am entitled to my own privacy. That means I am not guilty until proven innocent but the other way around.
Food for thought: you can be stopped and refused entry at the border if you do not show any encrypted files the border agents ask for. If the US government wanted to play hardball they could put a pretty good embargo on folks carrying Apples.
So, kenji.
What’s your feelings on gun registrations, laws and confiscation.
SOME gun owners are MURDEROUS THUGS….etc.
I thought the iphones had been smashed.
“They tried to cover their digital tracks, smashing two cellphones.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/before-the-final-shootout-four-mysterious-hours-in-san-bernardino/2015/12/14/95dd65f4-a299-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html
I would understand the balking if the two were still alive but breaking into 2 dead people’s phones being an issue confuses me.
ah Kenji, are you even moderately aware of why a buffoon like Trump is doing so well. When the government, through NSA, invades every aspect of the populations privacy, it opens the door for the like that we are discussing. If Cook capitulates, he’s destroy the very reason that this sort of “privacy” offers, and we are back at square one on this issue. The government has largely destroyed people confidence in it. Maybe the government can be convinced to back off a little, and restore some good will. NSA’s blanket scoop is not only troubling, but counter productive. One of the easiest ways of obscuring the truth is with information over load, as was effected in the Kennedy assassination. I thought conservatives were for less government, and yet in here I see a lot of support for government over reach. And, yes, I’v checked, I’m not in Huff-post!!!
sean, you agreeing with a gay conservative confuses you. It’s a breach of general trust. Do it this time, and we know that will break the barrier and the FBI will “demand” they do it on request
It is not to protect two dead murderers that this must be resisted nor does trying to protect the rights of the law-abiding to their privacy mean that the murderers are equal to the law-abiding. Apple is right to protect the privacy of the law-abiding. That the FBI and the rest of the government doesn’t get everything that would make their work easy and convenient for them is a limit that must be accepted to ensure the citizenry aren’t giving up their freedoms and privacy for something that government cannot guarantee even if Apple complied with its demands.
based on a single investigation? HA !
no, the FBI is after vastly bigger fish. the spirit of j edgar hoover lives on with his countless illegal wiretaps and stalking of ‘undesirables’ (according to who ???).
I would like to punch anyone that fosters the belief that ‘on I got nuttin’ to hide they can look all they wants’. slippery slope time !!! solve 1 problem by creating millions more time !!! the fact is the FBI is manned by HUMANS with AGENDAS ripe for abuse of that much power. history proves this time and again.
in another story, Apple is clobbering 3rd party repair providers by refusing to share any pertinent tech info. they even came up with a proprietary type screw for their friggin phones to thwart DIY types:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/adam-minter-the-right-to-repair-your-phone
By refusing to help the FBI, Apple is indirectly helping the terrorists.
Terrorists can not sleep peacefully at night knowing that Apple will protect their “right” to plan to kill us all.
This apple has worms in it too many worms
The FBI et al. knew about the SanBern shooters, but did NOTHING to prevent it (just like the Boston Bombers). Was that ineptitude, or corruption?
I see no evidence that building in a backdoor would have prevented this disaster, nor future ones. They had a lot of public info and didn’t act on it, so they’re either overloaded with info, or for some reason not acting on it. A backdoor in no sense seems likely to fix what appears to be wrong. This is not a legalistic position, just a pragmatic observation, so I hope Apple stands firm.
well why can’t the FBI (or is that FIB) boyz pay apple to extract the info they seek, as technical specialist consultants, for those relatively rare occasions they hit upon a terrorist, instead of sweeping ‘back door’ access to many millions of iphones? give them that, and they WILL abuse the technology. monitor and spy on their OWN people. sound familiar? they will do it. then some of them will divert the gold mine for nefarious unintended and very illegal purposes. its human nature. it will happen.
Reminds me of “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”
Sometimes government just have to accept the fact they can’t abuse the innocent to get the guilty no matter how important they think it is. If the FBI can’t get a list of the terrorists or whatever they are looking for without exposing everyone other Apple user to future abuses, then I am on Apple’s side.
This is no different than if the pertinent information were locked in a safety deposit box. Those can be opened by court order.
This is only a flaw in Apple’s ‘one size fits all’ technology, that by opening one ‘safety deposit box’, they can open them all. Nobody but Apple is responsible for making all the keys the same. Therefore it’s their burden…
I guess not surprising in a one size fits all world.
“This is how the FBI wants Apple to backdoor the iPhone”
http://www.zdnet.com/article/this-is…or-the-iphone/
So, the FBI wants Apple to make for them a custom OS, which gives them access to proprietary software, and also the power to hack all Iphone 5c’s.
LOL.
The FBI is on glue.
It’s one thing to get a search warrant, it’s another thing altogether to try to force a company to engage in a software engineering project via court order.
The FBI has truly jumped the shark.
The numbers in the article are BS, there is no way China or India has a 70%+ infiltration of smart phones.
Those who surrender all their freedoms for the sake of security,will have neither.
If Apple caves, their signature business is done.
The Chiefio did a fine exploration of do it yourself encrypted equipment, before Christmas, forcing Apple to betray their service promise will not prevent encrypted communications but will destroy another American Business.
Go Obamanation.
I guess all that money pissed away into the overbearing National Security Agency, was just another waste of taxpayers time and energy.
Same old BS, give over your life,so that we can protect you.
Accept these shackles so that you may be free.
Oh sorry; When seconds count our “protection” is only minutes away.
No you ignorant morons may not protect yourselves.
Whatever the FBI is seeking here,it is neither urgent nor honest.
But blaming Apple is a great smokescreen to draw attention away from the failure to detect,prevent and properly investigate this duo.
No..not a moslem..just two of them.
This time the FBI is asking permission from Apple.
They probably asked permission from TOR for help too and denied.
When they cant get what they want by asking/ requesting/ compelling they just outsource it, have a program developed so they can take what they want.
Maybe the computer science department at Carnegie Mellon University, Qatar Computing Research Institute and MIT cant help them this time.
I wonder how many innocent people were de-anonymized and under surveillance while the FBI conducted their research/attack on TOR? No one will really know.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/going-forward-the-tor-project-wants-to-be-less-reliant-on-us-govt-funding/
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/new-attack-on-tor-can-deanonymize-hidden-services-with-surprising-accuracy/
What really grates on me is that all the government LE, surveillance and spy agencies were so silent when profiling was deemed illegal BUT conducting surveillance on EVERYONE was entirely acceptable.