Yes, but they will not until they are in the same position as Venezuela.
“Who can handle the truth?”
Most definitely not Nutley and her group of socialists/commies. They will get it right this time! And they really don’t give a dam& what Clark says. The goompahs of AB elected them after all. Funny. I can’t find anybody in Redmonton who admits to voting for the Never DemocRATic Parasite party. I just wonder how they got in then. Enjoy the decline, AB. You got the guberment you deserve.
From the article: “They “failed to diversify their economy.”
I am so sick of this stupid comment.
A capitalist economy is only as viable as the competitiveness of it’s location, it’s resources, social realities (Nobody wants to work bellow minimum wage in Canada) and market demand.
Should Ontario start growing wheat? Should Newfoundland start making TV’s and computers? Should Alberta grow peaches? Should Quebec start uh…doing something, anything other than complaining and collecting equalization payments?
Canada is a resource economy. Mainly.
We could always follow Venezuela by closing our borders and “nationalizing” everything. See how that works out.
Alberta’s biggest problem is that they are a Province in Canada. If they were a State in the USA, then most of that oil wealth would have been left with the landowners, shareholders and workers of Alberta.
Since Canada is a socialist kleptocracy, all the wealth was seized by the government and distributed to the unworthy, unworking welfare class of toothless Newfies, Ontario commies, and Francophone ingrates from Quebec. A total waste of money like feeding rats.
Of course the congenitally retarded Queen of England got her royalty cut so that she can keep Canada’s next dunce of a Boss, Prince Charles in fancy shoes and private aircraft until his time comes.
As a add on to my above….has anybody noticed that there is NOT ONE country or party in the world who uses the words Democratic or Peoples Republic which are either full blown dictatorships, or socialist sh!t holes waiting for the dictator? Or is it just me?
Meh, kinda tacky to be revelling in someone’s misfortune. Politicians (of every political stripe) are really horrible human beings. Not people to be admired or emulated. More and more they act like immature teenagers. Adults would show a little empathy for fellow Canadians who are suddenly struggling due to factors beyond their control. If they really cared they’d follow through on their promise to allow pipelines if Alberta made moves to address the climate change boogeyman. But they won’t because that was a big, fat lie. So, if nothing else, the charade of social licence and sustainable production will soon be revealed. The truth is it’s all about money. Always has been, always will be.
Umm, no. Alberta’s biggest problem was spending like drunken sailors. Twice. Ralph Klein had to clean up the mess once. You can deflect blame to socialists yada yada all you want but it makes no difference. Alberta is a spendthrift province just like the socialists.
And don’t waste my time blaming Notely. It’s not like there were any surprises in what the dippers stood for during the last election. That Albertans voted for her is their fault.
Jim Prentice got slaughtered by the media when he said “look in the mirror”. Turns out he was right.
When Alberta was rolling in money the media was screaming for the government to spend it. Remember “Ralph Bucks”?
The unfortunate thing for Albreta is that 20 % of eligible voters elected the NDP. Make no mistake they will reward the people who supported them. Unions are and will be making some great deals – it’s an opportunity they will not miss. And then you willbe stuck with them , as it is in Saskatchewan. When revenues were high they demanded their “fair ” share. They then vigorously resist any change that might lead to savings for the government. ( eg Lean – an effort to improve efficiency in health care vigorously fought almost to the point of mutiny ) and then claim the government is to blame when they don’t work. Alberta will be stuck with this as Saskatchewan is. They will be nowhere to be found when revenues fall , tons of people are losing their jobs and they are on their way to age 55 retirement with an unfunded pension. This is the legacy you have to look to. If you don’t believe me ,just watch the upcoming Saskatchewan election.
Wally Buono for Premier!
No….Alberta’s biggest problem is a federal government that won’t enforce the law as it relates to their jurisdiction over junior levels of government in regard to interprovincial pipelines. The feds simply have no spine.
B.C. is hardly a poster child for restraint but has tried to hold the line and done a decent job. That said the Liberal provincial government would likely have been defeated by the Dippers if the NDP leader had not started bad mouthing northern development. Premier Clarke came out swinging for development and jobs which turned the tide. I suspect the Dippers come back in 2017 with a warm and fuzzy campaign which could win government.
The irony of AB politics is that a so called conservative government spent money far in excess of what could be described as conservative. The Heritage Fund should have been truly funded and development possibly restrained to a degree. The public sector not only spent like a mega project but also paid themselves accordingly.
Bottom line to all this is that the people kept asking for more. It takes a political party truly in touch with the people to explain why that might not be a good idea and why. Once again a so called conservative party that did not really have a business plan and did not know their market.
Great article.
Note: Saskatchewan’s public pension plan is fully funded except for government workers who are 70+. It’s had a defined contribution pension plan for about 35 or 40 years so there is very little in unfunded pension liabilities at the provincial level. Sask was one of the few, or maybe the only one, in North America who did this. Kudos to the old NDPers who did the math. I suspect that one change made decades ago will put Sask. in an economically advantageous position in the near future. Our debt levels, so far, are relatively low which should also help.
Sask. municipalities, OTOH…
Alberta is in tough shape because of world markets and politically, the happy-faced socialists split their vote allowing the dour-faced socialists to gain power.
they will only learn from it if they think there is a problem. the polis in this country think it is all going well!
Whatever the ups and downs of Alberta’s current situation, there’s no need for the sort of smarmy schadenfreude coming out of Clark’s mouth.
Least of all from a premier who is another obstructionist when it comes to helping out Alberta’s industry and, by extension, Canada’s and that of her own province.
Well I would question that . My wife is a nurse. I have access to what she has contributed. In 32 years it is about 10 % of the 1 million which at a 3 percent draw down ( minimum ) would be required to support her pension . So just where is the other 900 thousand ?
A healthy young cow can support all kinds of parasites.
A old weary beast, collapses under the same parasitic load.
Ditto for the young and healthy when dealt a crippling blow.
20 years of bloat, hog heaven for the blood suckers, ignored by the fat and healthy.
Boom is over, the love will soon be gone.
Helpers all have a cost, the price of our “helpers” has exceeded all promised benefit and they have failed to perform their core responsibilities.
Enjoy that “free healthcare”.
If forking over 50% of the return on your labour is “free”.
Hunter Harrison should open up the CPR’s right-of-way across Canada to offers from pipeline operators.
Get these GD pipelines going. There’s a worldwide demand for crude.
Good God, have you seen the amount of abandoned track across the prairies?
The railroads are fed regulated. The provinces can stuff it.
Make a condition of clean water on every FN reserve. the feds can’t/wont do it. let business do it.
How long ago was the Mackenzie Valley natural gas pipeline “controversy”. Have we not learned anything about getting anything built across the country?
toothless newfies? isn’t that a crime in Canada? not being toothless, but the slander.
Would be nice, but it won’t happen….simply because it would not be legal. All it WOULD take is for the federal government to approve the pipeline after the NEB does its work and push provinces and municipalities out of the way. As for so-called “First Nations”, there is NOTHING in law that gives them a veto. They must be consulted but they have no veto despite the nonsense the “First Nations” espouse and which is simply repeated by a brain dead media.
Unless nurses have a side deal then there are no pension guarantees for public employees in Sask. Defined benefit pensions are long gone for provincial employees. Your wife’s pension is determined by her contributions, investment returns and payout choice (annuity, for example).
Wrong. All this does is compound the hazards of both rail transport and pipelines. Such resulted in the worst rail disaster in recent history. In 1989 in Ufa Russia, sparks from a passenger train wheels ignited gas leaking from a pipeline. The resulting explosion killed 575 people.
Beyond that, any train derailment can breach the pipeline magnifying enormously the number of casualties and damage.
I don’t know about other employees, but my wife’s has a defined benefits .As I say , I question what you are saying . Verification ?
CGH >
“That Albertans voted for her is their fault”
Really, I keep hearing that, yet getting 40% of the revenge voters who can’t decide with the other 60% conservative vote splitters, is not exactly “voting for her”. The NDP had around 3% or less die hard cool-aid drinkers coming into the election (4 seats in 2012).
Yes, 40% of Eligible Albertan voters wanted to teach the PC’s a lesson and were afraid to go with the so called “Right Wing Nazi” WRP to do it, we get that. It’s called propaganda for the weak masses. That doesn’t make Alberta an overwhelming NDP province.
I guess the next election will prove or disprove that point yes? Then we will see what certain SDA Alberta bashing commenters opinions are worth from there. Yes yes, we we.
The thing is LC, as we saw this past October, the typical Canadian voter is stupid. Remember, on average, half the voters are REALLY stupid and ignorant of reality…..LOL.
Christy, love her or hate her, has to remind BC voters, constantly, what happens when the NDP is given a chance to “rule” a jurisdiction. Destruction is the usual result.
A bag of hammers would be better than Christy. Both would be better than the NDP.
Its a surprise to hear Christy talk about ‘responsible’ government spending, her federal pals are acting int he opposite direction, as a lifelong federal Liberal, and a Spawn admirer, Christy ought to be more careful about insulting her eastern regime pals.
When I lived in Newfoundland a buddy of mine explained that when his uncle went to the Mainland for a job interview he borrowed his brother’s dentures because all his front teeth had been knocked out in a fishing accident and he wanted to make a good first impression. It wouldn’t have been so bad, he went on, if the dentures hadn’t been carved out of wood.
Albertans have been voting for bigger government for over 40 years. They finally got it in spades.
You’re right. The SUN (healthcare) has SHEPP. They and the teachers union have still have defined benefit plans. Both are underfunded. Frankly, I’d suspect taxpayers won’t be willing to fully bail out SUN since other public employee unions were willing to forgo defined benefit pensions. The teachers, who continued with self-funded DB instead of PEPP, have had to raise contributions and reduce benefits already. At least it’s just healthcare employees. Most jurisdictions have every public union on defined benefit and will run into severe problems as boomers retire.
I don’t disagree with your points, Knight. All it shows is that those conservative voters who wanted the PCs out but didn’t have the courage to vote WR got the worst of all consequences.
Of course it’s not a dipper province, any more than Ontario is despite Bob Rae’s win in 1990. In fact I would be astonished if Notely gets a second term or anything close to it.
That said, and there’s no two ways about it, Alberta is going to have to endure four years of misery under its current collection of dolts, compounded by the dolts now running Ottawa.
Alberta missed their chance to apply pressure to B.C. Alberta should have forcefully contested B.C.’s LNG plans before the NEB with the argument that LNG is in direct competition to Alberta oil. While the argument might not have won the day, it could have applied enormous pressure on the B.C. government to drop its opposition to Gateway or other pipelines to tidewater. The Alberta government is COMPLETELY asleep at the wheel as the federal government has drastically intruded into provincial jurisdiction with respect to the federal government overreach in including so-called upstream “greenhouse gas emissions” in the NEB regs. It is the worst intrusion into provincial government resource rights in history. It effectively turns control of provincial projects over to the feds.
cgh >
‘…there’s no two ways about it, Alberta is going to have to endure four years of misery under its current collection of dolts”.
Yup agree 100%.
Honestly I don’t think it’s a bad thing for Alberta at this stage, every bubble needs a “correction” and IMO every successful society needs a slap-down from time to time to appreciate what they have for the future.
As an American I know nothing of toothless newfies. We use the term for hillbillys and for some reason are very critical of British dentistry. But it is clearly a slander, perhaps based on something.
I noticed Rex Murphy has teeth and you lived in Newfoundland and apparently have teeth so its probably not a universal thing. That’s why I thought a Canadian would be more circumspect because of you charter and all. You guys used to get a pissy.
Also. I wonder if there is elevated hostilities due to the last election. Could it be related to that? or are newfies shiftless buggers happy to suck at the governments teat?
I’m simply curious, I knew Quebec incites some hostility but I know little. I probably should find out, in case we get another 4 yrs of democrats because I’ll be sneaking in.
That part that I don’t understand is that as an Albertan, I bear the physical risk of living close to a 42 inch gas line originating in BC that heads off to the Chicago area. The compressors use something like 15,000 horsepower. A leak would make a phenomenal boom. Apparently risking Alberta lives for the enrichment of BC is okay.
I agree with that also. Rae was the left’s revenge in Ontario for 43 years of having it good under the PCs before they became fat and complacent.
And yes, like Ontario, it’s going to be a misery, because in both cases the advent of socialism was accompanied by a severe provincial recession. It will help drive home the lesson that socialist times are hard times.
I’m rather perplexed as to why we are importing cheap Saudi oil into central & eastern Canada, in increasing amounts, when they are the ones who brought this oil conundrum to a head. I look at that as trading with the enemy. We are also importing US oil into the same region, when their “charitable Foundations” have essentially paid cash money to various groups & individuals to close the shortest route to foreign markets, the west coast. Why would the Christy Clark government attempt to have a slice of another provinces’ revenue, raised outside her jurisdiction as “baksheesh” to run pipelines across BC? That’s like asking Quebec to part with a slice of cash to say Ontario to allay any discrepencies in “profitable federalism”.
Why is Energy East being held up? Why is an ex WWF, anti oil Gerald Butts, Selfie Boy’s “adviser”? By the same token why is Brian Topp, another anti oil greenie advising Notley? They don’t seem to mind that “dirty” oil of any sort is flowing into this country, but wish to shut down our own industry? Qui Bono? I sailed tankers right into downtown T Bay, Ontario & up and down the ST Lawrence Seaway in some pretty tricky, granite berg strewn waters with no pilot & just a bow thruster. We docked ourselves & then unloaded, without GreenPeace getting in the way. Still do today, folks.
Why is Alberta, or any oil producing province even sending Ottawa any of their tax revenues, or even staying in Canaduh?
Screw Christy Clark & BC. The one thing that keeps that province flush is DOPE & the Hells Angels running the Vancouver dockyards. As for the next lumber deal with the US…..hahahahahahaha. It will suck to be BC.
You don’t know much about Bernie Sanders America does ya.
I think we’re all pretty much in agreement that the Alberta PC’s were in need of an attitude adjustment but given the options of a somewhat unknown Wild Rose Party and the NDP with an abysmal track record in every other jurisdiction that they governed, Albertans chose badly. Very badly. All they had to do was look to the province to the east as an example. For decades under the NDP the only Saskatchewanians to prosper were civil servants and bureaucrats. As for the rest of us … not so much.
Remember that the Saskatchewan Party was a relatively unknown quantity when they first came to power and things have turned around dramatically in Sask. Sometimes “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” is not the best approach.
Like I said Po’d, a bag of hammers is better than Christy, but both are preferred over the NDP.
SHe’s playing both sides of the coin, hoping for a little graft and extortion to building SAFE pipelines.
She’s a hypocrite, of course
“I guess the next election will prove or disprove that point yes? Then we will see what certain SDA Alberta bashing commenters opinions are worth from there.”
Jim Prentice’s riding was up for grabs in a by-election is September.(which by-election was embargoed by SDA)
WRP won Prentice’s riding. It should be noted that Prentice was parachuted into that riding after being “elected” Premier by party members and so the PC MLA who held the seat stepped down so that Prentice could sit in the Alberta legislature.
Needless to say, that seat was a safe bet for Prentice and so he was re-elected to it in the general.
I’ll say again WRP WON that seat, if not the safest, one of the safest PC ridings in the province.
I for one will not be voting PC again ever, and all of the people I know will be voting WRP in future.
If the NDP are to be unseated, the dumbasses who voted PC are going to have to vote WRP.
They ALL are. Anyone that hasn’t divested themselves of hydrocarbon “stuff”. Their car, SUV, boat, quad, electricity (in some places) plastics, Goretex et al, synthetic fibres, fertilizers, or the diesel that drives a tractor around a field, or the trucks & trains delivering the food that we eat, or export, is a GD, two-faced hypocrite to lecture or remonstrate the ones who develop & refine the hydrocarbons that run this country!
If anything, someone should ask that brain dead PM or Notley if their plan is to use Canaduh as the test case for Agenda 21, destroy our industrial capacity, food production, transportation and STARVE the ones who don’t move away from here. Wars & revolutions have been waged on less.
Newfies are a special breed of people who have been through a lot over the years. It would be a mistake to think of them as hillbillies. Imagine that someone stole the humor of an entire nation and you were hired to get it back. You would start on George Street in St. Johns, Newfoundland and there is a good chance you would never leave – after all St. John’s has the very best fog in Canada and you would never stop to wonder why that was important.
One thing that many Americans do not understand is that after Canada kicked the ass of America in the war of 1812 which was later rewritten as a draw, there were many American soldiers left on the Canadian side post draw. They simply stayed on. So if you wish to come to Canada as an American, you will be welcome. If you speak English in Quebec with an American accent you will be loved. But if you venture to Newfoundland without the preconceived ideas of hillbillies in the hinterland you may have the time of your life.
BC is also the province who was openly looking at the various pipelines and asking what was in it for them – as in, they would approve if they got enough dough themselves. All same Quebec. I think Alberta should cut off all pipelines to and from BC and then watch the fun.
biffyjr & Oz >
I think that every Albertan knows who’s NOT going to be leading the Alberta legislature in 3 years time, including the migrant bums sitting in those seats today.
The only question is wether it will be a rebranded PC party the WRP or a coalition between the two.
Yes the NDP will wreck their damage in the interim, but these will be lessons and opportunities that will last generations.
Absolutely, Texas similar in size in area, conventional reserves and production to Alberta had not hampered itself with the rest of the Union and supports 20 million just in the state borders
“The only question is wether it will be a rebranded PC party ”
Not a chance.
Remember last week when Ezra Levant was pointing up the NDP allowing “trans-homo” males to use school girl’s locker rooms and toilets?
The PCs planned to do that too.
I even posted a letter from Jim Prentice here at SDA at the end of 2014 telling the PC faithful that his PC government was delaying that policy until after the election.
The PCs were racking up $Billions in debts before the Saudis tanked the price of oil and what were they spending it on?
Green Enviro initiatives and increased pay, benefits, and jobs for the Public Sector Unions, that’s what.
The PCs are just the same as the NDP.
I could go on and on about how they’re the same.
It’s WRP or nothing. The Progressives have to go, period.
kpmd……the toothless newfies are the ones who worked to get the oil out if the ground. thousands of them left their homes to work hard in alberta, unlike the freaking socialists who now are at the ever dwindling trough in alberta.
Oz >
“Not a chance.”
Oh I hope not either, WRP all the way, only we do unfortunately have many transplanted transbender LIV populating our cities these days. Many who dig the groovy/ trendy “Progressive” in progressive conservative.
The 2015 Federal election showed a solid Alberta blue, that should have clued in Trudeau’s Canada as well.
Yes, but they will not until they are in the same position as Venezuela.
“Who can handle the truth?”
Most definitely not Nutley and her group of socialists/commies. They will get it right this time! And they really don’t give a dam& what Clark says. The goompahs of AB elected them after all. Funny. I can’t find anybody in Redmonton who admits to voting for the Never DemocRATic Parasite party. I just wonder how they got in then. Enjoy the decline, AB. You got the guberment you deserve.
From the article: “They “failed to diversify their economy.”
I am so sick of this stupid comment.
A capitalist economy is only as viable as the competitiveness of it’s location, it’s resources, social realities (Nobody wants to work bellow minimum wage in Canada) and market demand.
Should Ontario start growing wheat? Should Newfoundland start making TV’s and computers? Should Alberta grow peaches? Should Quebec start uh…doing something, anything other than complaining and collecting equalization payments?
Canada is a resource economy. Mainly.
We could always follow Venezuela by closing our borders and “nationalizing” everything. See how that works out.
Alberta’s biggest problem is that they are a Province in Canada. If they were a State in the USA, then most of that oil wealth would have been left with the landowners, shareholders and workers of Alberta.
Since Canada is a socialist kleptocracy, all the wealth was seized by the government and distributed to the unworthy, unworking welfare class of toothless Newfies, Ontario commies, and Francophone ingrates from Quebec. A total waste of money like feeding rats.
Of course the congenitally retarded Queen of England got her royalty cut so that she can keep Canada’s next dunce of a Boss, Prince Charles in fancy shoes and private aircraft until his time comes.
As a add on to my above….has anybody noticed that there is NOT ONE country or party in the world who uses the words Democratic or Peoples Republic which are either full blown dictatorships, or socialist sh!t holes waiting for the dictator? Or is it just me?
Meh, kinda tacky to be revelling in someone’s misfortune. Politicians (of every political stripe) are really horrible human beings. Not people to be admired or emulated. More and more they act like immature teenagers. Adults would show a little empathy for fellow Canadians who are suddenly struggling due to factors beyond their control. If they really cared they’d follow through on their promise to allow pipelines if Alberta made moves to address the climate change boogeyman. But they won’t because that was a big, fat lie. So, if nothing else, the charade of social licence and sustainable production will soon be revealed. The truth is it’s all about money. Always has been, always will be.
Umm, no. Alberta’s biggest problem was spending like drunken sailors. Twice. Ralph Klein had to clean up the mess once. You can deflect blame to socialists yada yada all you want but it makes no difference. Alberta is a spendthrift province just like the socialists.
And don’t waste my time blaming Notely. It’s not like there were any surprises in what the dippers stood for during the last election. That Albertans voted for her is their fault.
Jim Prentice got slaughtered by the media when he said “look in the mirror”. Turns out he was right.
When Alberta was rolling in money the media was screaming for the government to spend it. Remember “Ralph Bucks”?
The unfortunate thing for Albreta is that 20 % of eligible voters elected the NDP. Make no mistake they will reward the people who supported them. Unions are and will be making some great deals – it’s an opportunity they will not miss. And then you willbe stuck with them , as it is in Saskatchewan. When revenues were high they demanded their “fair ” share. They then vigorously resist any change that might lead to savings for the government. ( eg Lean – an effort to improve efficiency in health care vigorously fought almost to the point of mutiny ) and then claim the government is to blame when they don’t work. Alberta will be stuck with this as Saskatchewan is. They will be nowhere to be found when revenues fall , tons of people are losing their jobs and they are on their way to age 55 retirement with an unfunded pension. This is the legacy you have to look to. If you don’t believe me ,just watch the upcoming Saskatchewan election.
Wally Buono for Premier!
No….Alberta’s biggest problem is a federal government that won’t enforce the law as it relates to their jurisdiction over junior levels of government in regard to interprovincial pipelines. The feds simply have no spine.
B.C. is hardly a poster child for restraint but has tried to hold the line and done a decent job. That said the Liberal provincial government would likely have been defeated by the Dippers if the NDP leader had not started bad mouthing northern development. Premier Clarke came out swinging for development and jobs which turned the tide. I suspect the Dippers come back in 2017 with a warm and fuzzy campaign which could win government.
The irony of AB politics is that a so called conservative government spent money far in excess of what could be described as conservative. The Heritage Fund should have been truly funded and development possibly restrained to a degree. The public sector not only spent like a mega project but also paid themselves accordingly.
Bottom line to all this is that the people kept asking for more. It takes a political party truly in touch with the people to explain why that might not be a good idea and why. Once again a so called conservative party that did not really have a business plan and did not know their market.
Great article.
Note: Saskatchewan’s public pension plan is fully funded except for government workers who are 70+. It’s had a defined contribution pension plan for about 35 or 40 years so there is very little in unfunded pension liabilities at the provincial level. Sask was one of the few, or maybe the only one, in North America who did this. Kudos to the old NDPers who did the math. I suspect that one change made decades ago will put Sask. in an economically advantageous position in the near future. Our debt levels, so far, are relatively low which should also help.
Sask. municipalities, OTOH…
Alberta is in tough shape because of world markets and politically, the happy-faced socialists split their vote allowing the dour-faced socialists to gain power.
they will only learn from it if they think there is a problem. the polis in this country think it is all going well!
Whatever the ups and downs of Alberta’s current situation, there’s no need for the sort of smarmy schadenfreude coming out of Clark’s mouth.
Least of all from a premier who is another obstructionist when it comes to helping out Alberta’s industry and, by extension, Canada’s and that of her own province.
Well I would question that . My wife is a nurse. I have access to what she has contributed. In 32 years it is about 10 % of the 1 million which at a 3 percent draw down ( minimum ) would be required to support her pension . So just where is the other 900 thousand ?
A healthy young cow can support all kinds of parasites.
A old weary beast, collapses under the same parasitic load.
Ditto for the young and healthy when dealt a crippling blow.
20 years of bloat, hog heaven for the blood suckers, ignored by the fat and healthy.
Boom is over, the love will soon be gone.
Helpers all have a cost, the price of our “helpers” has exceeded all promised benefit and they have failed to perform their core responsibilities.
Enjoy that “free healthcare”.
If forking over 50% of the return on your labour is “free”.
Hunter Harrison should open up the CPR’s right-of-way across Canada to offers from pipeline operators.
Get these GD pipelines going. There’s a worldwide demand for crude.
Good God, have you seen the amount of abandoned track across the prairies?
The railroads are fed regulated. The provinces can stuff it.
Make a condition of clean water on every FN reserve. the feds can’t/wont do it. let business do it.
How long ago was the Mackenzie Valley natural gas pipeline “controversy”. Have we not learned anything about getting anything built across the country?
toothless newfies? isn’t that a crime in Canada? not being toothless, but the slander.
Would be nice, but it won’t happen….simply because it would not be legal. All it WOULD take is for the federal government to approve the pipeline after the NEB does its work and push provinces and municipalities out of the way. As for so-called “First Nations”, there is NOTHING in law that gives them a veto. They must be consulted but they have no veto despite the nonsense the “First Nations” espouse and which is simply repeated by a brain dead media.
Unless nurses have a side deal then there are no pension guarantees for public employees in Sask. Defined benefit pensions are long gone for provincial employees. Your wife’s pension is determined by her contributions, investment returns and payout choice (annuity, for example).
Wrong. All this does is compound the hazards of both rail transport and pipelines. Such resulted in the worst rail disaster in recent history. In 1989 in Ufa Russia, sparks from a passenger train wheels ignited gas leaking from a pipeline. The resulting explosion killed 575 people.
Beyond that, any train derailment can breach the pipeline magnifying enormously the number of casualties and damage.
I don’t know about other employees, but my wife’s has a defined benefits .As I say , I question what you are saying . Verification ?
CGH >
“That Albertans voted for her is their fault”
Really, I keep hearing that, yet getting 40% of the revenge voters who can’t decide with the other 60% conservative vote splitters, is not exactly “voting for her”. The NDP had around 3% or less die hard cool-aid drinkers coming into the election (4 seats in 2012).
Yes, 40% of Eligible Albertan voters wanted to teach the PC’s a lesson and were afraid to go with the so called “Right Wing Nazi” WRP to do it, we get that. It’s called propaganda for the weak masses. That doesn’t make Alberta an overwhelming NDP province.
I guess the next election will prove or disprove that point yes? Then we will see what certain SDA Alberta bashing commenters opinions are worth from there. Yes yes, we we.
The thing is LC, as we saw this past October, the typical Canadian voter is stupid. Remember, on average, half the voters are REALLY stupid and ignorant of reality…..LOL.
Christy, love her or hate her, has to remind BC voters, constantly, what happens when the NDP is given a chance to “rule” a jurisdiction. Destruction is the usual result.
A bag of hammers would be better than Christy. Both would be better than the NDP.
Its a surprise to hear Christy talk about ‘responsible’ government spending, her federal pals are acting int he opposite direction, as a lifelong federal Liberal, and a Spawn admirer, Christy ought to be more careful about insulting her eastern regime pals.
When I lived in Newfoundland a buddy of mine explained that when his uncle went to the Mainland for a job interview he borrowed his brother’s dentures because all his front teeth had been knocked out in a fishing accident and he wanted to make a good first impression. It wouldn’t have been so bad, he went on, if the dentures hadn’t been carved out of wood.
Albertans have been voting for bigger government for over 40 years. They finally got it in spades.
You’re right. The SUN (healthcare) has SHEPP. They and the teachers union have still have defined benefit plans. Both are underfunded. Frankly, I’d suspect taxpayers won’t be willing to fully bail out SUN since other public employee unions were willing to forgo defined benefit pensions. The teachers, who continued with self-funded DB instead of PEPP, have had to raise contributions and reduce benefits already. At least it’s just healthcare employees. Most jurisdictions have every public union on defined benefit and will run into severe problems as boomers retire.
I don’t disagree with your points, Knight. All it shows is that those conservative voters who wanted the PCs out but didn’t have the courage to vote WR got the worst of all consequences.
Of course it’s not a dipper province, any more than Ontario is despite Bob Rae’s win in 1990. In fact I would be astonished if Notely gets a second term or anything close to it.
That said, and there’s no two ways about it, Alberta is going to have to endure four years of misery under its current collection of dolts, compounded by the dolts now running Ottawa.
Alberta missed their chance to apply pressure to B.C. Alberta should have forcefully contested B.C.’s LNG plans before the NEB with the argument that LNG is in direct competition to Alberta oil. While the argument might not have won the day, it could have applied enormous pressure on the B.C. government to drop its opposition to Gateway or other pipelines to tidewater. The Alberta government is COMPLETELY asleep at the wheel as the federal government has drastically intruded into provincial jurisdiction with respect to the federal government overreach in including so-called upstream “greenhouse gas emissions” in the NEB regs. It is the worst intrusion into provincial government resource rights in history. It effectively turns control of provincial projects over to the feds.
cgh >
‘…there’s no two ways about it, Alberta is going to have to endure four years of misery under its current collection of dolts”.
Yup agree 100%.
Honestly I don’t think it’s a bad thing for Alberta at this stage, every bubble needs a “correction” and IMO every successful society needs a slap-down from time to time to appreciate what they have for the future.
As an American I know nothing of toothless newfies. We use the term for hillbillys and for some reason are very critical of British dentistry. But it is clearly a slander, perhaps based on something.
I noticed Rex Murphy has teeth and you lived in Newfoundland and apparently have teeth so its probably not a universal thing. That’s why I thought a Canadian would be more circumspect because of you charter and all. You guys used to get a pissy.
Also. I wonder if there is elevated hostilities due to the last election. Could it be related to that? or are newfies shiftless buggers happy to suck at the governments teat?
I’m simply curious, I knew Quebec incites some hostility but I know little. I probably should find out, in case we get another 4 yrs of democrats because I’ll be sneaking in.
That part that I don’t understand is that as an Albertan, I bear the physical risk of living close to a 42 inch gas line originating in BC that heads off to the Chicago area. The compressors use something like 15,000 horsepower. A leak would make a phenomenal boom. Apparently risking Alberta lives for the enrichment of BC is okay.
I agree with that also. Rae was the left’s revenge in Ontario for 43 years of having it good under the PCs before they became fat and complacent.
And yes, like Ontario, it’s going to be a misery, because in both cases the advent of socialism was accompanied by a severe provincial recession. It will help drive home the lesson that socialist times are hard times.
I’m rather perplexed as to why we are importing cheap Saudi oil into central & eastern Canada, in increasing amounts, when they are the ones who brought this oil conundrum to a head. I look at that as trading with the enemy. We are also importing US oil into the same region, when their “charitable Foundations” have essentially paid cash money to various groups & individuals to close the shortest route to foreign markets, the west coast. Why would the Christy Clark government attempt to have a slice of another provinces’ revenue, raised outside her jurisdiction as “baksheesh” to run pipelines across BC? That’s like asking Quebec to part with a slice of cash to say Ontario to allay any discrepencies in “profitable federalism”.
Why is Energy East being held up? Why is an ex WWF, anti oil Gerald Butts, Selfie Boy’s “adviser”? By the same token why is Brian Topp, another anti oil greenie advising Notley? They don’t seem to mind that “dirty” oil of any sort is flowing into this country, but wish to shut down our own industry? Qui Bono? I sailed tankers right into downtown T Bay, Ontario & up and down the ST Lawrence Seaway in some pretty tricky, granite berg strewn waters with no pilot & just a bow thruster. We docked ourselves & then unloaded, without GreenPeace getting in the way. Still do today, folks.
Why is Alberta, or any oil producing province even sending Ottawa any of their tax revenues, or even staying in Canaduh?
Screw Christy Clark & BC. The one thing that keeps that province flush is DOPE & the Hells Angels running the Vancouver dockyards. As for the next lumber deal with the US…..hahahahahahaha. It will suck to be BC.
You don’t know much about Bernie Sanders America does ya.
I think we’re all pretty much in agreement that the Alberta PC’s were in need of an attitude adjustment but given the options of a somewhat unknown Wild Rose Party and the NDP with an abysmal track record in every other jurisdiction that they governed, Albertans chose badly. Very badly. All they had to do was look to the province to the east as an example. For decades under the NDP the only Saskatchewanians to prosper were civil servants and bureaucrats. As for the rest of us … not so much.
Remember that the Saskatchewan Party was a relatively unknown quantity when they first came to power and things have turned around dramatically in Sask. Sometimes “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” is not the best approach.
Like I said Po’d, a bag of hammers is better than Christy, but both are preferred over the NDP.
SHe’s playing both sides of the coin, hoping for a little graft and extortion to building SAFE pipelines.
She’s a hypocrite, of course
“I guess the next election will prove or disprove that point yes? Then we will see what certain SDA Alberta bashing commenters opinions are worth from there.”
Jim Prentice’s riding was up for grabs in a by-election is September.(which by-election was embargoed by SDA)
WRP won Prentice’s riding. It should be noted that Prentice was parachuted into that riding after being “elected” Premier by party members and so the PC MLA who held the seat stepped down so that Prentice could sit in the Alberta legislature.
Needless to say, that seat was a safe bet for Prentice and so he was re-elected to it in the general.
I’ll say again WRP WON that seat, if not the safest, one of the safest PC ridings in the province.
I for one will not be voting PC again ever, and all of the people I know will be voting WRP in future.
If the NDP are to be unseated, the dumbasses who voted PC are going to have to vote WRP.
They ALL are. Anyone that hasn’t divested themselves of hydrocarbon “stuff”. Their car, SUV, boat, quad, electricity (in some places) plastics, Goretex et al, synthetic fibres, fertilizers, or the diesel that drives a tractor around a field, or the trucks & trains delivering the food that we eat, or export, is a GD, two-faced hypocrite to lecture or remonstrate the ones who develop & refine the hydrocarbons that run this country!
If anything, someone should ask that brain dead PM or Notley if their plan is to use Canaduh as the test case for Agenda 21, destroy our industrial capacity, food production, transportation and STARVE the ones who don’t move away from here. Wars & revolutions have been waged on less.
Newfies are a special breed of people who have been through a lot over the years. It would be a mistake to think of them as hillbillies. Imagine that someone stole the humor of an entire nation and you were hired to get it back. You would start on George Street in St. Johns, Newfoundland and there is a good chance you would never leave – after all St. John’s has the very best fog in Canada and you would never stop to wonder why that was important.
One thing that many Americans do not understand is that after Canada kicked the ass of America in the war of 1812 which was later rewritten as a draw, there were many American soldiers left on the Canadian side post draw. They simply stayed on. So if you wish to come to Canada as an American, you will be welcome. If you speak English in Quebec with an American accent you will be loved. But if you venture to Newfoundland without the preconceived ideas of hillbillies in the hinterland you may have the time of your life.
BC is also the province who was openly looking at the various pipelines and asking what was in it for them – as in, they would approve if they got enough dough themselves. All same Quebec. I think Alberta should cut off all pipelines to and from BC and then watch the fun.
biffyjr & Oz >
I think that every Albertan knows who’s NOT going to be leading the Alberta legislature in 3 years time, including the migrant bums sitting in those seats today.
The only question is wether it will be a rebranded PC party the WRP or a coalition between the two.
Yes the NDP will wreck their damage in the interim, but these will be lessons and opportunities that will last generations.
Absolutely, Texas similar in size in area, conventional reserves and production to Alberta had not hampered itself with the rest of the Union and supports 20 million just in the state borders
“The only question is wether it will be a rebranded PC party ”
Not a chance.
Remember last week when Ezra Levant was pointing up the NDP allowing “trans-homo” males to use school girl’s locker rooms and toilets?
The PCs planned to do that too.
I even posted a letter from Jim Prentice here at SDA at the end of 2014 telling the PC faithful that his PC government was delaying that policy until after the election.
The PCs were racking up $Billions in debts before the Saudis tanked the price of oil and what were they spending it on?
Green Enviro initiatives and increased pay, benefits, and jobs for the Public Sector Unions, that’s what.
The PCs are just the same as the NDP.
I could go on and on about how they’re the same.
It’s WRP or nothing. The Progressives have to go, period.
kpmd……the toothless newfies are the ones who worked to get the oil out if the ground. thousands of them left their homes to work hard in alberta, unlike the freaking socialists who now are at the ever dwindling trough in alberta.
Oz >
“Not a chance.”
Oh I hope not either, WRP all the way, only we do unfortunately have many transplanted transbender LIV populating our cities these days. Many who dig the groovy/ trendy “Progressive” in progressive conservative.
The 2015 Federal election showed a solid Alberta blue, that should have clued in Trudeau’s Canada as well.