Let’s hope Treason is among the charges.
Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.
— John Ivison (@IvisonJ) October 23, 2014
On the other hand…
Let’s hope Treason is among the charges.
Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.
— John Ivison (@IvisonJ) October 23, 2014
On the other hand…
I wonder how long it’ll take for Justin’s staff cougars to convince him to crawl out from hiding under his desk and to stop huffing smelling salts. They’ll have to clean him up and comb his hair so he can denounce this Harper horror.
So, did any mosques burn down last night? No??? Pity….
I asked one of the many Muslims I work with yesterday how to tell the difference between a radical or radicalized Muslim? How am I supposed to know if he says that he is a Muslim that I shouldn’t be very wary about which verses in the Koran he is focusing on, the “peaceful” ones or the “violent” ones?
He just stared at me…
Harper has basically ordered the army to surrender in the face of the enemy.
If Harper cared the least bit about the troops or citizens, he would abolish the restricted weapons class of firearm, allow CCW, and let soldiers in uniform carry without a permit.
He is a traitor to the troops and to the citizens of Canada.
And what do you think Ignatieff would be doing if he were Prime Minister?
There is going to be an election some time next year and such immediate radical changes in the gun laws would shock people into voting Liberal with Justin TruPuppet calling the shots as decreed to him by his Masters and bringing back the Gun Registry.
Ah, so Harper has to be a totalitarian thug, tells the army to stay out of uniform on Canadian soil, actively prevents Canadians from defending themselves because…Justin.
Soldiers in uniform are an important symbol of sovereignty. To order Canadian soldiers not to wear their uniforms on Canadian soil is treason.
What he should have done is allowed soldiers to carry side-arms, in fact, he should make all of Canada a must-issue CCW country.
Of course, as a traitor who imports 100’s of thousands of Muslims into the country every year, and condones Saudi-funded mosques and Islamic studies centers all over Canada, it should be clear that Harper does not have the interests of Canadians or Canadian soldiers in mind.
I had a good time on twitter assuring liberals that right wingers would be so embarrassed when it turns out not to be a Jihadi.
Tweeted a couple of them back with my “sympathies” this morning.
Because Realpolitik, and No Stephen Harper is not a totalitarian.
When I first heard about the shooting on Parliament Hill yesterday I was ceased with fear for our Prime Minister. I have issues with CPC rule too, but PMSH is the best Prime Minister in my lifetime and viewing the possible field of replacements, even within the CPC, he is irreplaceable.
I have hope for Ezra Levant to be PM Harper’s replacement, but alas that’s is just a dream for now.
You’ll just have to learn to separate your dreams from reality, or are you a Moby?
If saying he’s better than Shiny Pony or Angry Man is all he’s got going for him, that’s setting the bar way to low, and you may as well kiss Canada goodbye as a free country right now.
Harper condoned the AB gun grab, lets CFO’s and the RCMP run roughshod over the citizens and the law. If that’s the best we can do, then we are totally screwed already.
I agree with you, Kt. By all means round up the 90 on the list, but we must do so on a legal basis. Otherwise the courts will simply free them in the absence of any due process, rendering the whole exercise futile.
Great pic of Kevin Vickers, gun in hand. https://twitter.com/HayeseLaw/status/525281312978923520
“If saying he’s better than Shiny Pony or Angry Man is all he’s got going for him”
He is better. He lowered the GST from 7% to 5% and got rid of the Gun Registry. Neither of his competitors would do that and I’m sure the best is yet to come, if he and the CPC gets re-elected to govern.
He’s got to move at a pace that will conserve his ability to continue with implementing the conservative agenda.
“Harper condoned the AB gun grab”
LIAR. Stephen Harper told the RCMP to give the guns back.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/give-back-flood-victims-guns-harper-s-office-tells-rcmp-1.1310009
The RCMP are employees of the Crown, which in Alberta here meant the Progressive Conservative government under Alison Redford.
The Government of Alberta is the Crown here, they have the power, and the High River gun grab was outside of Harper’s Federal jurisdiction, so he didn’t have the power to make them give the guns back.
Ever heard of the Separation of Powers? Give the Confederation Act of 1867 a good gander.
You are a politically ignorant Moby troll.
I agree Joe but you don’t do that by taking their passports. This latest evil bastard had his passport taken to prevent him from leaving, the government decided to keep him,he did what he’s been “radicalized’ to do, kill infidels, he plies his evil on our soil. All who want to leave should be encouraged to do so, when they try to return we have reason to charge them,hopefully the Trudeau Charter can’t protect them from being charged with treason….but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Speaking of the Trudeau Charter, it’s the most dangerous document to the safety and security of this country ever concocted. Now we have the Media Party Consortium determined to get the son of Trudeau into top Office in the land.
Oh Canada, God help us.
The concern is thick with this one.
Kt isn’t concerned with “the courts will simply free them in the absence of any due process”.
Kt is concerned about the abuse of that section of the Code.
That section of the Canadian Criminal Code is part of the process. After rounding them up and detaining them, it then becomes incumbent on the arresting officers to charge them with a crime.
Treason comes readily to mind, no doubt there are other possibilities. We’ll see.
Possibly the Emergencies Act…..a watered down version of the War Measures Act. But there are hoops to jump through.
Kt: yeah, we get it: you’re a leftist troll with one line to keep parroting. Now let the adults have their conversation, there’s a good lad.
rabbit: why do you keep harping about the legislation? You gonna put the bong down long enough to go defeat it in court? Don’t think so. Run along and play.
Cause Canada is governed by the rule of law, not totalitarian thugs. You can be sure that if any of these potential Jihadists are “rounded up”, their lawyers will be asking the same question, and the authorities will need a good answer.
Those who advocate tossing the rule of law in the garbage at the first sign of trouble are the children.
Fair point, Oz.
Here here. I am for the rule of law and a nation of laws.
Stephen Harper is not a totalitarian. These terrorists will be dealt with according to the Criminal Code of Canada and thank you, rabbit, for finding the correct section of the Code for us.
And bong-head hive-mind leftist trolls who keep showing up year after year where they are thoroughly despised to spout the same parroted cant over and over aren’t? ROFLMAO!
Sorry, that thank you should have gone to ‘Just a guy’ for finding the correct CCC section for us.
Thank you, Just-a-guy.
Still, there is nothing wrong with ‘rabbit’ expecting a sound legal basis for the arrest of these Jihadis who pose a threat to us all.
Well that elevates the discussion.
I had no idea that the rule of law was a left-wing conspiracy. I thought it was the bedrock upon which liberal (old-time definition) democracies rested.
But Anderson, when another party comes to power and starts telling you that you can’t do or say certain things, what are you going to fight back with when the rule of law has been eviscerated?
Right again. Law is the only thing which allows any democracy to function.
Anderson, please indicate what problem you have with the rule of law and order?
So now I guess we won’t be hearing anymore demands that we free poor little Omar?
In this case, I’m going to have to agree with KT regarding arbitrary detention. Those who have a reflexive reaction to just round up the bastards have a very myopic view of reality. Governments change and the best laws are the ones which restrict what governments can do. The US is in a far better position in this regard as all one has to do is to quote the US constitution to deal with totalitarians who overstep the limits on their power (that’s assuming, of course, that one hasn’t been shipped off to a foreign country for “interrogation” or shot before consulting a lawyer).
The “anti-terror” legislation which was passed in Canada in 2001 is the reason I ripped up my Canadian Alliance membership card and mailed it to Stockwell Day as his support of this totalitarian legislation made me realize that he too had succumbed to Ottawa brain rot, a terminal illness that affects all politicians who spend any time in that city.
In order to deal with terrorists, the best way is to shoot them while they’re in the process of carrying out terrorist activities. The best way of doing so is to have an armed population allowed both concealed and open carry. All it would take would be a declaration by PMSH that, for the purposes of predator control as delineated in C68, islamofascist terrorists are considered to be 2 legged predators. Thus, this would allow all firearm owners to carry rifles fully loaded with them as this is allowed when one needs a ready firearm to shoot a predator on ones property. While the moonbat head explosions would be glorious to behold as Canadian firearms owners walk about with a rifle slung over their shoulders while in public, presumably quick legislation would be some form of a moonbat prevention of psychiatric distress act which would allow for concealed carry of pistols so that hospital ER’s wouldn’t be flooded with hysterical moonbats who have seen a rifle close up in public.
As Phantom noted in a previous post, terrorism is a distributed threat and the way one deals with distributed threats is through a distributed defense. Lott’s studies in the US have demonstrated that states in which concealed carry is the norm, mass shootings have significantly decreased. There are outliers like the Fort Hood shooting where the berserk islamofascist psychiatrist was in what was, ironically, a gun free zone on a military base. Given that schools are designated as “gun free zones”, mass murderers know that these are safe target rich environments. Aviator has suggested that there be concealed carry privileges for active Canadian forces members and former members — this is simply wrong. EVERY Canadian who has the right to own restricted firearms and demonstrates competency in their use by meeting a minimal standard of marksmanship should be allowed concealed carry. Most pistol shooters are far better shots than 95% of police and I’ve talked to police firearms instructors who are ready to admit this sad fact. Thus, a recreational pistol shooter is far less likely to shoot bystanders in a terrorist attack than a member of the regular police who, almost exclusively, never fire their service pistols except during yearly firearms requalification.
PMSH may be better than those PM’s who preceded him, but he too has succumbed to Ottawa brain rot and his decision to ask Canadian forces members to not wear their uniforms in public is tantamount to waving a white flag. He should have stated that given we are currently in a wartime situation, all Canadian forces members will appear in public wearing a sidearm for which they have been issued ammunition. Given a training paradigm that eliminates the term “accidental discharge” and replaces it with “negligent discharge”, I have no concerns about their firearms safety practices.
When it comes to basic civil rights, I’m not going to let one Gamil Ghabri wannabe be the excuse for instituting a police state. Now is the time for all firearm owners to push back and the concept of a distributed defense against a distributed threat is the best argument we’ve got for concealed carry in Canada. Far better to have this than have a whole city in lockdown over one moron with a shotgun — that is the way of cowardice.
“Terror suspects can be held for a maximum of 24 hours before they must go before a federal court judge. There is no maximum time limit on detentions, but a judge must be satisfied that they are being held lawfully” (The Independent, as of 2005).
“In this case, I’m going to have to agree with KT regarding arbitrary detention.”
Arbitrary, eh?
83.3 (1) The Attorney General’s consent is required before a peace officer may lay an information under subsection (2).
Terrorist activity
(2) Subject to subsection (1), a peace officer may lay an information before a provincial court judge if the peace officer
(a) believes on reasonable grounds that a terrorist activity will be carried out; and
(b) suspects on reasonable grounds that the imposition of a recognizance with conditions on a person, or the arrest of a person, is necessary to prevent the carrying out of the terrorist activity.
The above ain’t arbitrary. It’s process. It’s justifiable cause before a judge prior to arrest. Did you even read the law? I provided the link.
http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/833-recognizance-conditions-0
from the thread topic
>90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.
In case anybody is wondering how ISIS has been able to make such war gains as fast as they have in Syria and Iraq, their weapon of success has been VBIEDs, car bombs.
That is their weapon of choice and they’ve been driving these car bombs into populated strategically important places and exploding them for just over 2 years now without getting much coverage by the media.
Lots and lots of car bombs, VBIEDs, and they successfully deliver them to the target zone by blending into the civilian population.
Oz, perhaps you should look at the definition of “terrorist activity” in the CCC which is (in part):
(B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada, and
(ii) that intentionally
(A) causes death or serious bodily harm to a person by the use of violence,
(B) endangers a person’s life,
(C) causes a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public,
(D) causes substantial property damage, whether to public or private property, if causing such damage is likely to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C), or
(E) causes serious interference with or serious disruption of an essential service, facility or system, whether public or private, other than as a result of advocacy, protest, dissent or stoppage of work that is not intended to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C),
Everyone on this site is aware of organizations such as the Tides foundation and other moonbat entities who clearly meet the definition of terrorist organizations under this legislation but, for some curious reason, have never been prosecuted under this act. Under a different government the NFA and other firearms organizations could be prosecuted as “terrorist organizations”. My personal opinion is that various police forces in Canada such as the OPP and HRGT are, under the above act, based on their actions in Ontario and High River, clearly terrorist organizations who, again, for some mysterious reason aren’t arrested wholesale and jailed.
When this legislation first came out, I did a logical analysis and determined that under the legislation the government of Canada met the criteria for a terrorist organization and that payment of my taxes to this “terrorist organization” would be a criminal act and thus I decided to stop making tax payments. I was dissuaded by friends from taking this action. The more pragmatic of these individuals pointed out that Canadian governments are essentially totalitarian and not subject to rigid constitutional restrictions as exist in the US. Thus, I’ve paid what I consider to be state ordered extortion and used the remaining money to prepare for the day that the SHTF and the current crop of totalitarians will see how puny their praetorian guard forces are when set against a very angry population.
Fair point. I guess you could call it ‘arbitrary’ because the CCC 83.3 isn’t applied as often as it could be.
Kt’s position is that it will be applied too often to people who aren’t going to shoot or blow you to smithereens. I’m OK with it not being applied too much, liberty being the deciding line, but these 90 IS fighter/sympathisers need it to be applied to them for my security.
I agree with your above expression on the need to have an armed populace to protect from the shooters, but the bombers are a different matter and IS is really into bombing, which having a gun isn’t going to fix here anymore than it did for the folks in Iraq/Syria who do in fact have plenty of assault rifles in their possession.
If they start bombing here, I’ll be happy that CCC 83.3 is already the law.
Good comment. I totally agree. Leave them in the land they are so wanting to fight for.
I just watched Mr Trudeau rise in parliament and question the government to ascertain why the two terrorists were not arrested for trying to leave the country. One had his passport taken away and the other had his passport application refused. How can you arrest a person without having irrefutable proof that this was why they were leaving the country? If I was the Prime Minister I would explain to Mr Trudeau that the government is trying to strengthen the laws with respect to terrorists, however this country is not ready for him to invoke the War Measures Act with mass arrests. Our country is trying to control this situation lawfully and we do not need detention camps for people of Middle Eastern ethnicity. I would remind Mr Trudeau that we do not need troops in the city, patrolling the streets…with guns. Strengthen our laws and then arrest those who are a proven threat.
I agree with you entirely, Jim. Shiny Pony was being more than a bit duplicitous. He’s hoping that the government would indeed be foolish enough to overreach, thus making the Liberal Party’s infamous “Soldiers in our streets” accusation accurate. He’s playing electoral politics, nothing more.
As to the two, they hadn’t thus far committed a criminal act, hence there was no grounds for their arrest and detention. Shiny Pony is blurring an important distinction. As citizens, we have rights. Having a passport however is not a right, it’s a privilege. Just as a driver’s licence is a privilege and not a right. If you don’t meet the criteria, you don’t get one.
The only problem with that is that we can then be accused, probably accurately, of exporting terrorism. They are our citizens; it’s up to us to deal with them appropriately and not simply foist our problems off on someone else.
“Rule of law”….yes indeed, but the rule of WHICH law? And if the laws in place today allow for the detaining of terrorist suspects, then by utilizing the law, the rule of law is being followed, n’est ce pas? And so it is with the Combatting Terrorism Act. So let’s use it.
According to Acumen Law Corporation, driving is not a privilege but is a right. “Driving is a right as is the right to hold a driver’s licence. Like all rights, there are restrictions and limits. The Right to Drive is limited in that the government may specify qualifications that must be met by potential drivers, including that they maintain a respectable driving record.”
Passports are a different animal entirely as they actually remain the property of the Crown.
In regard to the Combatting Terrorism Act, the perps do not actually have to have committed a criminal act to be arrested and detained.
Thanks Joey. I stand corrected.
We know now that this tragedy had nothing to do with ISIL. It had to do with our leftist judges and prison system letting a man out who told them repeatedly that he would do it again. I remember when Stephen Harper said Canada would build more jails. That is so we can stop letting people out early because of overcrowding. Where are these new jails and why is the prison system still letting criminals out to walk among us? The judges who let him out should be charged and jailed for life.