84 Replies to “Putin: The XX Committee Blog”

  1. Well, the Russian Orthodox Church is just one of many in a large brotherhood where the services were done in a language the people could understand.
    There’s the Greek Orthodox, Romanian Orthodox, Coptic (Egyptian) Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, even the original language in Jerusalem among other nations around the world, all spread the message in a language in which the people could get a fuller understanding.
    Rome, on the other hand, until recently (1971?) only served in Latin. Perhaps that was the need for an ‘official interpreter,’ Stradivarious was referring to in an earlier post.

  2. I wish the Mass was still in Latin (I know, I’m a dinosaur). We didn’t need an interpreter because our Sunday prayer book had the English translation on the opposite page. When Latin was the official language of the Church in every country, we were truly the universal Church because no matter where in the world you attended Mass we all worshiped in the same language.

  3. “I’m sure his sentiments are not in agreement with your irrational hatred of all Russians.”
    None killed more russians than other russians. Seems like russians hate russians more than anyone lese. Well you can’t blame them, they have insider information.
    It isn’t Poles, Romanians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Czechs, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Moldovans, Hungarians that victimized russians. It is russians that victimized than. And russians are proud of their history, they still march to the soviet anthem. If Germans were marching to a Nazi anthem I would have an equal contempt for them. If it was Germans who worshipped Hitler the way russains today worship Stalin I would have an equal contempt for them. Fact is no other nation is so proud of their tradition of genocide and subjugation of others than russians. No other nation worhsips its tyrants the way russians do.
    “Unless your understanding of God’s nature is different than mine.”
    You comprehend God’s nature? Typical russian arrogance.
    “… if you can’t forgive another human being, ”
    What “human being”?
    You want me to forgive? Forgive while russians are proud of their collective guilt and do not recognize their past for what it is?
    “how can you expect God to forgive you?”
    Got nothing to ask him to forgive me for. If anything he should apologize to the world for creating russians.

  4. That’s good to know.
    So, if I went to a Catholic Church in Mexico, I wouldn’t be able to understand in either official language?
    Same deal as if I went to an Orthodox Church in Mexico, I guess, since service would be in Spanish.
    Bottom-line is human beings are searching for answers all around the world and there is a certain richness in the Holy Catholic and Apostolic churches that is not found anywhere else. I can live with the differences.
    Cheers

  5. The true statement is that Russians kill more Russians than anybody else, mostly during the atheistic Soviet regime.
    Unless you’re living in Russia, it seems to me there’s a lot of wasted energy being expended on hatred of the other tribe. Kinda reminds me of the Islamic rationale that every Israeli citizen is a legitimate target just because they’re Jews.

  6. “Gee, I thought we all read the same scriptures.”
    Actually, we don’t. If you’re Protestant your Bible has 66 books. My Bible has 73. A Russian Orthodox Bible has 77 (I think).
    The good news is that everybody has the same number of books in their New Testament: the Christian portion.

  9. “The true statement is that Russians kill more Russians than anybody else, mostly during the atheistic Soviet regime.”
    And yet Stalin is considered by russians to be the greatest russian in history. And that alone tells you everything you need to know about russians.
    Moreover, I did not know russian orthodox church encouraged murdering unborn children. Well it would not completely surprise me given that it is a russian church after all, but still, why do all those pious soulful russians murder they unborn at rates higher than any other nation?

  10. Not sure what you’re getting at but I’ll take that as a compliment.
    Thanks.

  11. Is that you saying Uncle? Cause I’m still wondering if you’ve thought anymore about why you cling to a Church started by a mere mortal instead of one left to us by Jesus Christ, Son of God. I’m thinking your faith is more culturally driven than spiritually driven.

  12. A church encouraging murdering unborn children?
    That’s news to me.
    Thanks for providing clear evidence as to how hatred can twist perception and destroy a human being from within.

  13. Yet again proving that russians are sarcasm proof.
    Still explain why those soulful pious russians routinely murder their litter and why do they do so at rate higher than any other nation in the world. When it comes to abortions even Chinese with their state mandated abortions are pikers compared to russians.

  14. It’s got to be a hangover from the godless Soviet era.
    One question. When did you become so interested in abortion rates?

  16. I am interested in russia. Watching russia is like watching a moth circling a flame. Frequency of abortion is a good indication of savagery and inhumanity of the population. It is one of many indicators of russian suicide. Hopefully within a generation or two russians will stop threatening their neighbours.
    And don’t blame everything on communists. Other post communist countries do not murder their unborn at the rate russians do. Nor do they drink themselves to death at the russian rate. Nor do they die from easily preventative diseases at the way russians do.
    Moreover communism has fallen a generation ago. No, it is not communism, it is just a savage russian way.

  17. “I’m thinking your faith is more culturally driven than spiritually driven.”
    That would require an actual culture wouldn’t it?

  18. You’re either really bitter or just a sh$t disturbing nincompoop. Whichever it is, you need therapy.

  20. Orthodoxy traces its roots back to apostolic times, therefore it is the true Christian religion left by Jesus Christ, unlike the great majority of the Protestant realm, which are all man-made. Martin Luther considered himself a good Catholic who was alarmed at the direction Rome was taking. Others followed, many sponsored by European kings who wanted to keep their people’s money in their own countries rather than sending it to Rome.
    Prince Vladimir embraced a tradition for his people that had already been in existence for nearly a millenium and recieved a religion that featured apostolic succession directly traceable back to Christ. The ‘Russian’ in the name refers to his group and their language that helped even the illiterate person understand the message without having to read a Russian translation from Latin, for example.
    While Rome went off in its own direction from the rest of Christendom and much of its birthplace in middle east was eventually conquered by Islamic forces, Russia maintained and protected apostolic Christian tradition for more than a millenium.
    As per the original premise of this thread, where the third tome by the professor mentioned the underlying role of the church in the Russian character, well that’s all I was trying to highlight. There’s a reason they seem to be hard-ass buggers. It’s because many have tried to conquer Russia without success — the US, EU and now NATO being the latest following in the footsteps of Napoleon and Hitler.
    Anyway, thanks for your understanding.

  21. It wasn’t Rome that went off in it’s own direction, but every other Christian denomination and Orthodoxy whether Russian, Greek or Ukrainian. That is a fact even you admitted to in your previous post when you stated “when a papal envoy from Rome excommunicated the Metropolitan of Constantinople”. The authority excommunicates and the entity breaking away abdicates from the authority.
    The Catholic Church has been around for over 2 millennia as opposed to your assertion that Orthodoxy “has been preserved for NEARLY 2000 years”.
    I hate to say it but, you are being a bitter clinger here. I’ve logically refuted every claim you’ve made concerning Orthodoxy being the true Church established by Christ (in your case established by Prince Vlad) and you still refuse to see it. “There are none so blind as those who will not see”.
    If I was at my home I could find the reason for the split from Rome in my Christian history books. Perhaps this discussion will resurface on a later thread and I’ll have that info for you. We are not that far apart on doctrine as far as I know but we still should all be one as Jesus asks of us.

  22. In the context of the thread, which examines the effect the Orthodox Church has in it people, I am totally accurate.
    Perhaps this link about the Great Schism will help you understand that there was a vast body of churches outside of Rome from apostolic times:
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/587056/Schism-of-1054
    This particular brief entry (since you have access to a computer, I’m sure you could also access this historical information) lists the entire Pentarchy (which I would suggest you also look up) that can trace its history to the formation of the church. Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul), Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem were all geographic Sees and were considered equal in their importance to Rome.
    None outside of Rome trumpeted their own superiority and bishops from the entire Christian world (not just Rome) were instrumental in the first seven Church Councils recognized by the Orthodox Church.
    Orthodoxy was not an offshoot of Peter and the ‘on this rock’ was issued immediately after Peter recanted Christ three times, then saw the error of his way. Peter remained a human being and Christ the only perfect one. No perfection was ever accorded to Peter, so his influence in the world’s political centre at the time in no way inferred superiority to the churches founded and built by apostles who spread the word in other parts of the world. Not just those under the See of Rome.
    You’re perfectly within your rights to believe whatever you’d like to believe, but the Eastern Christian (Orthodox) world has legitimacy in its own right.
    Now, as to the statement about the Catholic (I assume you mean the Roman) church being around for more than 2000 years, that’s logically challenged.
    Since Christ was crucified when he was in his early 30’s (say 34 to round it out) and this is AD 2014, that means that when the church was established in Jerusalem (where the event happened), that would only be 1980 years ago.
    Therefore, my statement that the Orthodox Church (which considers itself the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church) has been around for nearly 2000 years is factually correct since it would only be 2000 years old 20 years from now.
    So, your claim that Rome was the first church to been established over 2 millenia ago is not only illogical but impossible, despite your claims otherwise. I call BS, but it was a nice try anyway.
    Tough to slip facts past a very special retard, huh?

  23. “Christ gave special power in His Church to Saint Peter by making him the head of the apostles and the chief teacher and ruler of the entire Church.
    The power of the keys was promised to Saint Peter and was actually conferred on him.
    Saint Peter was recognized by the early Christians from the beginning as the head of the Church.
    Christ did not intend that the special power of chief teacher and ruler of the entire Church should be exercised by Saint Peter alone, but intended that this power should be passed down to his successor, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, who is the Vicar of Christ on earth and the visible head of the Church.
    A successor to Saint Peter, the first Bishop of Rome, was required as chief teacher and ruler for the same reason that successors were required for the other apostles. From the very beginning it was acknowledged by the Church that the successor of Saint Peter as Bishop of Rome was at the same time the head of the entire Church. This successor of Saint Peter is called the Pope”.
    The Complete List of Popes
    1. St. Peter (32-67)
    2. St. Linus (67-76)
    3. St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
    4. St. Clement I (88-97)
    5. St. Evaristus (97-105)
    6. St. Alexander I (105-115)
    7. St. Sixtus I (115-125) — also called Xystus I
    8. St. Telesphorus (125-136)
    9. St. Hyginus (136-140)
    10. St. Pius I (140-155)
    11. St. Anicetus (155-166)
    12. St. Soter (166-175)
    13. St. Eleutherius (175-189)
    14. St. Victor I (189-199)
    15. St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
    16. St. Callistus I (217-22)
    17. St. Urban I (222-30)
    18. St. Pontain (230-35)
    19. St. Anterus (235-36)
    20. St. Fabian (236-50)
    21. St. Cornelius (251-53)
    22. St. Lucius I (253-54)
    23. St. Stephen I (254-257)
    24. St. Sixtus II (257-258)
    25. St. Dionysius (260-268)
    26. St. Felix I (269-274)
    27. St. Eutychian (275-283)
    28. St. Caius (283-296) — also called Gaius
    29. St. Marcellinus (296-304)
    30. St. Marcellus I (308-309)
    31. St. Eusebius (April-August 309 or 310)
    32. St. Miltiades (311-14)
    33. St. Sylvester I (314-35)
    34. St. Marcus (January-October 336)
    35. St. Julius I (337-52)
    36. Liberius (352-66)
    37. St. Damasus I (366-83)
    38. St. Siricius (384-99)
    39. St. Anastasius I (399-401)
    40. St. Innocent I (401-17)
    41. St. Zosimus (417-18)
    42. St. Boniface I (418-22)
    43. St. Celestine I (422-32)
    44. St. Sixtus III (432-40)
    45. St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
    46. St. Hilarius (461-68)
    47. St. Simplicius (468-83)
    48. St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
    49. St. Gelasius I (492-96)
    50. Anastasius II (496-98)
    51. St. Symmachus (498-514)
    52. St. Hormisdas (514-23)
    53. St. John I (523-26)
    54. St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
    55. Boniface II (530-32)
    56. John II (533-35)
    57. St. Agapetus I (535-36) — also called Agapitus I
    58. St. Silverius (536-37)
    59. Vigilius (537-55)
    60. Pelagius I (556-61)
    61. John III (561-74)
    62. Benedict I (575-79)
    63. Pelagius II (579-90)
    64. St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
    65. Sabinian (604-606)
    66. Boniface III (February-November 607)
    67. St. Boniface IV (608-15)
    68. St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
    69. Boniface V (619-25)
    70. Honorius I (625-38)
    71. Severinus (May-August 640)
    72. John IV (640-42)
    73. Theodore I (642-49)
    74. St. Martin I (649-55)
    75. St. Eugene I (655-57)
    76. St. Vitalian (657-72)
    77. Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
    78. Donus (676-78)
    79. St. Agatho (678-81)
    80. St. Leo II (682-83)
    81. St. Benedict II (684-85)
    82. John V (685-86)
    83. Conon (686-87)
    84. St. Sergius I (687-701)
    85. John VI (701-05)
    86. John VII (705-07)
    87. Sisinnius (January-February 708)
    88. Constantine (708-15)
    89. St. Gregory II (715-31)
    90. St. Gregory III (731-41)
    91. St. Zachary (741-52)
    92. Stephen II (March 752)
    93. Stephen III (752-57)
    94. St. Paul I (757-67)
    95. Stephen IV (767-72)
    96. Adrian I (772-95)
    97. St. Leo III (795-816)
    98. Stephen V (816-17)
    99. St. Paschal I (817-24)
    100. Eugene II (824-27)
    101. Valentine (August-September 827)
    102. Gregory IV (827-44)
    103. Sergius II (844-47)
    104. St. Leo IV (847-55)
    105. Benedict III (855-58)
    106. St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
    107. Adrian II (867-72)
    108. John VIII (872-82)
    109. Marinus I (882-84)
    110. St. Adrian III (884-85)
    111. Stephen VI (885-91)
    112. Formosus (891-96)
    113. Boniface VI (April 896)
    114. Stephen VII (896-97)
    115. Romanus (August-November 897)
    116. Theodore II (November-December 897)
    117. John IX (898-900)
    118. Benedict IV (900-03)
    119. Leo V (July-December 903)
    120. Sergius III (904-11)
    121. Anastasius III (911-13)
    122. Lando (913-14)
    123. John X (914-28)
    124. Leo VI (May-December 928)
    125. Stephen VIII (929-31)
    126. John XI (931-35)
    127. Leo VII (936-39)
    128. Stephen IX (939-42)
    129. Marinus II (942-46)
    130. Agapetus II (946-55)
    131. John XII (955-63)
    132. Leo VIII (963-64)
    133. Benedict V (May-June 964)
    134. John XIII (965-72)
    135. Benedict VI (973-74)
    136. Benedict VII (974-83)
    137. John XIV (983-84)
    138. John XV (985-96)
    139. Gregory V (996-99)
    140. Sylvester II (999-1003)
    141. John XVII (June-December 1003)
    142. John XVIII (1003-09)
    143. Sergius IV (1009-12)
    144. Benedict VIII (1012-24)
    145. John XIX (1024-32)
    146. Benedict IX (1032-45)
    147. Sylvester III (January-March 1045)
    148. Benedict IX (April-May 1045)
    149. Gregory VI (1045-46)
    150. Clement II (1046-47)
    151. Benedict IX (1047-48)
    152. Damasus II (July-August 1048)
    153. St. Leo IX (1049-54)
    154. Victor II (1055-57)
    155. Stephen X (1057-58)
    156. Nicholas II (1058-61)
    157. Alexander II (1061-73)
    158. St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
    159. Bl. Victor III (1086-87)
    160. Bl. Urban II (1088-99)
    161. Paschal II (1099-1118)
    162. Gelasius II (1118-19)
    163. Callistus II (1119-24)
    164. Honorius II (1124-30)
    165. Innocent II (1130-43)
    166. Celestine II (1143-44)
    167. Lucius II (1144-45)
    168. Bl. Eugene III (1145-53)
    169. Anastasius IV (1153-54)
    170. Adrian IV (1154-59)
    171. Alexander III (1159-81)
    172. Lucius III (1181-85)
    173. Urban III (1185-87)
    174. Gregory VIII (1187)
    175. Clement III (1187-91)
    176. Celestine III (1191-98)
    177. Innocent III (1198-1216)
    178. Honorius III (1216-27)
    179. Gregory IX (1227-41)
    180. Celestine IV (October-November 1241)
    181. Innocent IV (1243-54)
    182. Alexander IV (1254-61)
    183. Urban IV (1261-64)
    184. Clement IV (1265-68)
    185. Bl. Gregory X (1271-76)
    186. Bl. Innocent V (January-June 1276)
    187. Adrian V (July-August 1276)
    188. John XXI (1276-77)
    189. Nicholas III (1277-80)
    190. Martin IV (1281-85)
    191. Honorius IV (1285-87)
    192. Nicholas IV (1288-92)
    193. St. Celestine V (July-December 1294)
    194. Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
    195. Bl. Benedict XI (1303-04)
    196. Clement V (1305-14)
    197. John XXII (1316-34)
    198. Benedict XII (1334-42)
    199. Clement VI (1342-52)
    200. Innocent VI (1352-62)
    201. Bl. Urban V (1362-70)
    202. Gregory XI (1370-78)
    203. Urban VI (1378-89)
    204. Boniface IX (1389-1404)
    205. Innocent VII (1406-06)
    206. Gregory XII (1406-15)
    207. Martin V (1417-31)
    208. Eugene IV (1431-47)
    209. Nicholas V (1447-55)
    210. Callistus III (1445-58)
    211. Pius II (1458-64)
    212. Paul II (1464-71)
    213. Sixtus IV (1471-84)
    214. Innocent VIII (1484-92)
    215. Alexander VI (1492-1503)
    216. Pius III (September-October 1503)
    217. Julius II (1503-13)
    218. Leo X (1513-21)
    219. Adrian VI (1522-23)
    220. Clement VII (1523-34)
    221. Paul III (1534-49)
    222. Julius III (1550-55)
    223. Marcellus II (April 1555)
    224. Paul IV (1555-59)
    225. Pius IV (1559-65)
    226. St. Pius V (1566-72)
    227. Gregory XIII (1572-85)
    228. Sixtus V (1585-90)
    229. Urban VII (September 1590)
    230. Gregory XIV (1590-91)
    231. Innocent IX (October-November 1591)
    232. Clement VIII (1592-1605)
    233. Leo XI (April 1605)
    234. Paul V (1605-21)
    235. Gregory XV (1621-23)
    236. Urban VIII (1623-44)
    237. Innocent X (1644-55)
    238. Alexander VII (1655-67)
    239. Clement IX (1667-69)
    240. Clement X (1670-76)
    241. Bl. Innocent XI (1676-89)
    242. Alexander VIII (1689-91)
    243. Innocent XII (1691-1700)
    244. Clement XI (1700-21)
    245. Innocent XIII (1721-24)
    246. Benedict XIII (1724-30)
    247. Clement XII (1730-40)
    248. Benedict XIV (1740-58)
    249. Clement XIII (1758-69)
    250. Clement XIV (1769-74)
    251. Pius VI (1775-99)
    252. Pius VII (1800-23)
    253. Leo XII (1823-29)
    254. Pius VIII (1829-30)
    255. Gregory XVI (1831-46)
    256. Ven. Pius IX (1846-78)
    257. Leo XIII (1878-1903)
    258. St. Pius X (1903-14)
    259. Benedict XV (1914-22)
    260. Pius XI (1922-39)
    261. Pius XII (1939-58)
    262. John XXIII (1958-63)
    263. Paul VI (1963-78)
    264. John Paul I (August-September 1978)
    265. John Paul II
    266. Benedict XVI
    267. Francis

  24. I could give you similar lists for the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church and the other equal branches of the Holy and Catholic Apostolic Church that were established at the same time but that would be unproductive.
    The Pope of Rome is equal in office to all of them, not the head of them.
    Rome was the central political authority at the time (Roman Empire).
    So, if the criteria for legitimacy is the pre-eminent early power at the time (joining of church and state), then the Pope of Constantinople should be bestowed the leader of the second Rome once Rome was sacked by vandals.
    Then, once Eastern Christianity was overrun by the Islamic hordes, the responsibility of preserving the basic traditions fell to the pre-eminent world’s religious state in Moscow, which became the Third Rome and carried that responsibility for more than 1,000 years. That is the ingrained belief of the Russian people and explains why they are so fierce in preserving their heritage.
    Pope is a shorthand for Papa, or father and those responsiblities were accorded among the geographic regions in the early centuries. The Pope of Rome is not the only one who calls himself Pope. Grantes, he deserves equal respect to the other church leaders who had their own challenges.
    Once again, I respect your right to believe in the Bishop of Rome’s superiority over others and that he speaks on behalf of all Christendom. In my understanding, that is simply not true and has been perceived, rightly or wrongly, as an arrogant attitude by others who are also searching for the truth.

  25. Further to the argument about legitimacy according to the sponsorship of earthly political power, did not Islamic expansion flow over Europe as far as the Gates of Vienna?
    Since Prince Vladimir accepted the founding principles of Orthdoxy, Russia has always been able to repel repeated Islamic attacks and preserve its national identity, not to mention European aggression in the form Napoleon, the Crimean War and most recently Hitler.

  26. Pity that ruskie did not get nuked in 45, would serve them right for supporting Hitler until 41. Oh well at least they are drinking themselves to death.

  27. Your list would only be similar up until 1054.
    “The Pope of Rome is equal in office to all of them, not the head of them”. – yup, let’s just disregard what Jesus wanted and do our own thing cause we all know that Jesus never said what he meant.
    Do you not believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God in your faith or that Jesus is His son?

  28. Opps, there’s that Prince Vlad again. One way or another, he now knows he was wrong.

  29. Opps, there’s that Prince Vlad again. One way or another, he now knows he was wrong along with Martin Luther, John Knox, Henry VIII and 34000 others whose names I can’t recall and don’t particularly want to seek out on the internet. 🙂

  31. Don’t worry, even our friend knows he was Jewish (I hope) so you don’t have to hate Him.

  32. Hate who? Jesus? Why? Just because of someone’s opinion about him? It does not work like that.
    On the other hand, above you have a typical russian arguing. He knows he is full of fecal matter, but so what? Everything is chess, everything is Realpolitik. The point is not to be honest in an argument. It is to win, by half truths, outward lies and distortions. Russians are cynical demagogues and here is a perfect example.

  33. Just sayin, you don’t have to hate Jesus cause he’s not Russian and you appear to have a hate on for Russians.
    I don’t believe set you free is full of it. He/she really believes what he/she says and appears to value his/her faith a great deal. ( just going to say he from now on). Nothing wrong with that in my books. However, unlike myself he chooses to accept his faith blindly and sometimes illogically.
    When I decided to get serious about my faith I checked out other denominations but found them wanting. I thought my Catholic faith was wanting too, that’s why I went looking. Failing to be satisfied elsewhere, I decided to study my own faith closer. Luckily (or providentially) the Catechism of the Catholic Church had just been published. I got a group together and we studied it for years. The Mass, the Sacraments, etc. came alive for me. I have to know why I am doing or believing something or it’s just habit and I can’t sustain a faith built on habit.
    I’ve since read many books by converts to Catholicism as well as Ted Byfields, The Christians. I love my faith now that I understand it as an adult.

  34. Sufficient to say we differ about our opinion about set you free. I believe he is a demagogue, you believe he is fanatic. Oh well.

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