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Good gun picks, but certainly missed a few.
I suppose you need to categorize firearms into individual “philosophies of use” to get a complete list. i.e. Historical relevance, hunting, combat, handgun, rifle, machine gun, etcetera.
I’d have liked to have seen flintlocks represented, then some Winchester ’73 or 1894 lever actions, then there are the various Mausers, Enfield’s, Krags. The CZ 75 and Browning Hi Power were better representations of early hi-capacity wonder nines IMO than the Glock, although in all fairness it was the first commercially available “plastic gun” – and on and on.
I think it’d be a much more complete list with a few additions, perhaps to 15 would be.. justice.
AR-15
Springfield 1911
The Gdamned Yanks think they are the only ones who ever fought a war.
XM-50 be damned. Let’s have some rifles that actually won wars. The Mosin-Nagant (what major war has the AK-47 won?!?!?).
The Lee-Enfield, which we Canadians call the 0.303 (pronounced by us Canadians as “three-ought-three).
And, of course, as rifling is considered the most important techological innovation in the history of warfare, the first gun with a rifled barrel, whatever that was.
XM-50! Yeah, and Barack Obama is a great president. Tell me another.
they left out my favourite,the K-98 Mauser, The Henry repeater should have been in there too.
I can think of a Bren gun,Schmieser,88mm and a Remington pump that all struck fear in the hearts of the opposition whoever it was.
I think the most important omission is the American Long Rifle, known as the “Kentucky” in most literature. It was the first firearm truly developed in North America and was a revolution in long range accuracy and economy of shot.
Earlier rifles were of .69 caliber and shot a rainbow trajectory. Sixty nine caliber meant a hunter had to carry a pound of lead for every 19 shot. Accuracy at over 100 Yds was unreliable. The “Kentuck” in .52 caliber was 38 shot to the pound and the range went out to 400 Yds.
In war it was the Colonist’s secret weapon in the American Revolution and became the first sniper rifle.
Bring on the flack.
For just 9mm:
The Luger, P-38, Browning-HP, S&W Model 39 [&59], CZ-75, Glock-17
“… (pronounced by us Canadians as “three-ought-three.”
Posted by: John Lewis
I shoot a fair bit and have served in two armies that used the Lee-Enfield (albeit before my time) and have never met anyone in person who called it “three-ought-three”. It is always three oh three, even with people (including me) who say the .30-06 is “thirty ought six”. Where are you from? Perhaps it is regional?
The tooner – you beat me to it, so I don’t have to repeat it.
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Known as three nought three in India. Most likely still in service with Indian and Bangladeshi police.
Obviously a debatable list.
But I was not aware that a Canadian designed the garant.
How come there’s never been a Canadian minute about that? Cripes if Winnie the Pooh and superman are worthy of one surely this is too…
Always 3oh3 in our neck of the woods. “Ought” must have been a family thing.
Three-oh-three. I do however agree with John Lewis that PM is Ameri-centric in the choices for this list, the .303 British Lee-Enfield should be there.
Many of those picks are auto small arm restricted to government personel use only and are instruments of mass slaughter – the one things government is good at is killing folks.
My picks would include the Winchester lever guns, the S&W wheel guns, the Ruger 10/22 and Cooey Mod 39, the Browning A-5 and Winchester mod. 12 the Remington 700, Colt AR15 which between them armed more civilians than any military contractor – freedom’s teeth if you will – one of the reasons we are still free of police state tyranny – for the time being at least.
The most important gun is the one you have when you really need it, and without which your personal history would be a short one.
Yup, 3oh3, not ‘ought’ when I carried one on the colour party (I still remember a fair bit of .303 drill). Also got to fire one with ancient WWII ammunition as part of survival training. In terms of numbers, the Lee-Enfield should definitely have been on the list.
I’m guessing the “3 ought 3” was supposed to be a little tongue in check humor.
Another blaringly obvious historical omission as pointed out by other commenter’s was a shotgun, single, side x side, over-under, or pump.
Artillery breakthroughs were sadly lacking.
10 selections was just too short a list
Agreed, that omitting the Kentucky Long Rifle, especially on an American list, is inexcusable. The advent of a firearm that one could aim accurately, and be reasonably assured of hitting a distant enemy, totally changed the way firearms were used in fighting wars.
And a curiosity: under U.S. firearms laws, a Gatling gun is not considered to be a machine gun, because reloading is accomplished by human muscle effort.
I love my AK47 and bullets for now are reasonably cost effective. Although I did get redflagged at Cabela’s for ordering 2,000 rounds, that didn’t get me redflagged, but the 12 banana clips I added did. They , cough, umm, arrggg, backordered my shipment by 30 days. ;- ) What was funny, however, when the shipment came in it was in 4 very nice sturdy plastic ammo boxes and they had put 3 banana clips in each box. My 1911 is still usable, along with the 30-30 and Dad’s ole Colt .45. The 30-30 was Dad’s also and we looked the serial number up on Marlin’s website and the best we could tell the gun was made between 1901- 1903. In the deep South we have always said ‘ought’ , ‘naught’, ‘ya-onto’ and ‘moan’. Ya-onto is short for Do You Want To and Moan is short for yelling at the kids to Come On and you just get tired and start yelling, Moan Moan Moan.
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I’ve got 2 of the guns on that list (M1 Garand and Glock17) and hope to have a model 1911 .45 sometime next year. One gun that should have made it was the M14 which is my favorite rifle.
There’s a distinct lack of bolt action rifles on the list. My Swedish mauser was made in 1941 and is one of the most accurate rifles I own. The list probably should have concentrated on earlier firearms as most of the ammunition in common use today is little changed from 100 years ago (30-06, .303, 9 mm, .45).
3-ought-three is Manitobanese,I never heard it called anything else until I moved from that Province in 1966.
AND, we were always propagandized to believe it(.303 L.-E)was the finest infantry man’s weapon ever invented.
I had one ,too, f***ing war club.
Ratt, must be nice that you can still buy those evil 30 round mags which are illegal in Canada, but only if assembled. Here we’re limited to 5 round mags which looks rather stupid on an SKS or M14. Gun shows often have 30 round mags for sale but they are sold disassembled and one gets a stern warning that putting the pieces together will result in one creating an illegal “restricted weapon”. AK mags were way cheaper at US gun shows and mine are stored in the legal, but useless for immediate use, Canadian fashion being in pieces.
dmorris: “I had one ,too, f***ing war club.”
I have owned a few and I agree. Sending our Fathers over there with it was the WWll equivalent to sending our guys to Afstan in Quebec woods camo.
Either wrong equipment or wrong war.
Manually operated bolt and a magazine that would jam hopelessly (unless loaded carefully) because of the rimmed cartridge.
Hunters had semi-autos in 1905 for c**sts sake.
Loki >
I’m a big 1911 fan, have a couple of 9mm’s (CZ & S&W) which don’t hold a candle to my 1911’s in every conceivable way. Being Canada 8 +1 rnds of .45ACP tops a 10 +1 rnd max 9mm any day for firepower, which has been the last bastion of argument for hi capacity nine lovers.
I’ve never checked but you could probably pick up extended ten round 1911 mags if it really mattered.
I consider the nines v.good backups though.