83 Replies to “The Children Are Our Future”

  2. It’s the oddest damned thing but you simply have to be worth more to your employer than the cost of having you around. Otherwise, what’s the point?

  4. We see at the end of the article our hero is going into finance.
    As a financial planner he will be of the do as I say, not as I do variety.
    As a cook though, trophy husband might be a more marketable angle for him.

  5. Ahhhhhhhhh. Poor little babie’s degree in GLBT basket weaving and Foreign Muzzie Terrorship not paying off?
    Suck it up,buttercup!
    And this other clown is a Red Seal Chef and can’t get a job? BU!!SH!T.But maybe he/she should ask McDinkey for a job at a windmill farm? No surprise though,seeing as it is Canada’s Moscow South(Tarwannna)

  7. The worth of a bachelor’s degree has been in slow decline for some time now, so this outcome is not surprising. An increasing number of companies, even engineering firms, will not hire anyone without at least a master’s degree.

  8. This has been going on for years.
    How many “licenced” hairdressers do you know?
    They go to school…then apprentice….get their licence…no job…meanwhile their former “sponsor” has hired yet another apprentice.

  9. I am sorry my generation is Generation Retard. I don’t know how this happened. We had great potential. We had everything. We even had Toonami. And now…retardedness everywhere.

  10. and that Sasquatch is why there isn’t a single decent journeyman cook in Canada – they all have to get “real” jobs after they’re papered.

  11. Way too many interns + little money = slave wages or none for interns.
    It has become quite common for companies and government to “hire” unpaid interns. These are college grads with little or no practical experience in their fields.
    Most realise quickly that they need to get a Master’s degree in their field if they are serious about a career. A few take their experience as an unpaid intern and build a career from that, but these are the minority and they find that advancing in their career’s are more difficult.

  12. Well,
    at least she has free birth control.
    Not having children will be her most important contribution to society..

  13. TJ – not true. I’m in mining (go figure). Our co-op and summer positions are all paid, and most of our new hires have bachelors degrees (in mining and geology at least, I can’t vouch for other departments). We don’t pay co-ops and summer students as much as full timers, mostly because they’re actually a drag on the rest of use for at least 3 months while we get them up to speed on what their job should involve. When it comes time for us to look at new hires, we’ve got some experience with a large number based upon their co-op or summer work with us.
    The biggest thing is, how many applicants are there for each position? If there are 1000 applicants, you need to pare the list down. Level of education is one way to do it. Volunteer activities is another. Previous job experience…. etc. I’d be willing to bet that the students in the story could find paid positions if they leave the city and move to where the work is. If they’re not willing to do that, then they’re showing what their work ethic really is. I figured the lifestyle I wanted to lead back in high school and picked a career that would let me get there. I’m happy I did it in that order because taking the harder road early on (and doing the horrid commute before I had a family) has given me a lot more, and easier, choices now.

  14. Deadwood @ 4 – correct, because the chosen fields aren’t in demand. In fields where there are shortages that the schools are scrambling to fill, a lower-level degree is lots because industry needs people who can think like one who can do the job, and can see to an apprentice type train-as-you-go with a lesser qualified applicant because they need the employee and they’ve got to hire them before someone else can.
    How’s the demand for underwater basket-weavers these days? I’m thinking they’d need a couple of PHd’s to be employable.

  16. I take it no one has yet noticed the juxtaposition of the protest signs…
    Posted by: Kate at November 15, 2012 4:18 PM
    Ah for Pete’s sake.
    basically take this job and shove it,cause you ain’t paying me….but money = greed.Sneaky,Kate. Now I know why so many say I am naive,and can’t spot hypocrisy.pout.

  17. To a leftist “Money=Greed” is true as long as it’s someone else has the money & won’t give it to the leftist.

  20. My child accepted an unpaid internship after completing a Masters degree in her field. Three months later she was offered a well paid position based on the work she had done and she hasn’t looked back. The degrees were important but the work in the internship got her the job.

  21. Actually, Kate, that was the first thing I noticed. “F… unpaid internships” means “Gimme money”, while “Money = Greed” means, er, well, it’s BAD, BAD when other people want money but good when I do.
    F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function”. Doubtless, our little flower girl thinks she falls into this category. However, opposing ideas are not necessarily contradictory. You could believe in limited government in 1939 in Canada, and still support the huge buildup necessary for the war.
    Orwell, as usual, said it best when defining “doublethink”:
    The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth
    That is this little girl’s problem, and indeed the problem of all the leftards. They know their belief system is untenable, they know it’s bound to fail, they see it failing all around them, and yet they still vote for Bambam, Justin Trudeau, and god help us, Olivia Chow-chow. When the system collapses around their ears, these moochers will desperately search for anyone who has anything left, while simultaneously denouncing the mooched-upon as ‘greedy’.

  22. The electrical workers union (IBEW) introduced a pre apprenticeship year to the normally 5 year apprenticeship a few years ago because the non union sector started to get coop students who worked for high school credits. No one can compete with free labour, but the pre-apprentices at least got paid 30 percent of the journeyman rate.
    And yes, I noticed the juxtaposition of the signs when I first looked at the picture.

  23. Jobs, like real estate, are all about location.
    If you just can’t give up all the ammenities of Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver, and you just can’t fathom moving to where the employers hire and pay their employees, then you will bed at the mercy of the “buyer”.
    Toronto and it’s citizens rarely seem to demonstrate common sense, and continue to repeat mistakes, be it political (voting L/liberal/socialist) economic (supporting the hi rise condo market) or even holding out hope that the leafs will win the cup this year.
    So now the little dears are saying, they want to make money? Really? Then pack your bags and head to Ft Mac.
    Anybody that’s a red seal chef can get a job, yeah they need to be fed even out in the field. Unfortunately, you might not find a Starbucks when you need your daily hit of a coco moco double latte tappa chappa fratte grande.

  24. Jobs, like real estate, are all about location.
    If you just can’t give up all the ammenities of Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver, and you just can’t fathom moving to where the employers hire and pay their employees, then you will bed at the mercy of the “buyer”.
    Toronto and it’s citizens rarely seem to demonstrate common sense, and continue to repeat mistakes, be it political (voting L/liberal/socialist) economic (supporting the hi rise condo market) or even holding out hope that the leafs will win the cup this year.
    So now the little dears are saying, they want to make money? Really? Then pack your bags and head to Ft Mac.
    Anybody that’s a red seal chef can get a job, yeah they need to be fed even out in the field. Unfortunately, you might not find a Starbucks when you need your daily hit of a coco moco double latte tappa chappa fratte grande.

  25. @minuteman
    Yeah no one can compete with free labor. I remember back in the 90’s, I had decided I was going to be a mechanic. Something not many women pick as a career, and not something I stuck to because the entire apprenticeship thing infuriated me to no end. Co-op students I could handle, the $2.25/hr for a “living wage” I couldn’t handle. And I had to put that on hold.
    @Joseph
    Uh…ft. mac huh?
    Sure, you pay $60k in rent, food, and everything else, walk away with $30k. There’s better opportunities in AB than there. You go there, you’re going to get screwed in the face. Remember the tim tarts get paid between $18-22.50/hr and that’s enough to cover basics.

  27. Actually, Kate, that was the first thing I noticed. “F… unpaid internships” means “Gimme money”, while “Money = Greed” means, er, well, it’s BAD, BAD when other people want money but good when I do.
    F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function”. Doubtless, our little flower girl thinks she falls into this category. However, opposing ideas are not necessarily contradictory. You could believe in limited government in 1939 in Canada, and still support the huge buildup necessary for the war.
    Orwell, as usual, said it best when defining “doublethink”:
    The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth
    That is this little girl’s problem, and indeed the problem of all the leftards. They know their belief system is untenable, they know it’s bound to fail, they see it failing all around them, and yet they still vote for Bambam, Justin Trudeau, and god help us, Olivia Chow-chow. When the system collapses around their ears, these moochers will desperately search for anyone who has anything left, while simultaneously denouncing the mooched-upon as ‘greedy’.

  28. In one of my first Engineering clases at the U of S (in the early 1970’s) the professor reassured us that even though demand for engineers was soft then, by the time we graduated there would be options aplenty.
    I didn’t really pay attention; I was there to learn about my passion. 40 years later, I am still doing what I love and have managed to survive and raise a family using the knowledge gained.
    When at all possible, make choices with your heart, not your wallet.

  29. ‘Course the internship is unpaid.
    “You’re lucky to have the opportunity to get the experience, nevermind earning a dollar. You don’t have any bills to pay do you”?
    I’m actually on her side,on this one.

  30. Hey folks, win lose or draw, it’s about proving your worth, going to the work and opportunities, or, staying put and accepting whats available.
    In my time, I know, like most of over 40 gen, it was “you go to the work and opportunities” it does not come to you.
    So, if the entitled generation wishes to stay in their locale, and their city, have their “lifestyle”, etc, etc. Be happy, it’s what you chose.
    In many areas there is close to nil unemployment, wages starting at 20 bucks an hour, show up, work, and future is wide open.
    So, pffft to those who don’t want to chase their own future and expect someone to “provide it” for them. You get what you deserve and earn.
    My two bits.

  32. I’ve had some unsolicited e-mails offering me unpaid internships based on the strength of my online photography portfolio. All of the e-mails were rather impolitely answered along the lines of the young lady’s sign that accompanies kate’s post.
    If I create value for your business, I expect a share of it to be directed to me. I will burn in hell before I put a $30K vehicle $35K of camera gear, and a $25K education to work for you with nothing in return. That’s how free enterprise is supposed to work. Volunteering for a profit generating concern is just stupid.

  33. Polite disagreement, Foothills Red. Instead of working free for someone else, I would choose to work free for myself, setting up my own business. A lot of things you can learn by ‘apprenticing’ for others, this is true. But… You can also accomplish a lot on your own these days if you have a good attitude and are willing to Google HOW-TO videos on Youtube.

  34. Who would work for free? If I was a greedy capitalist offering unpaid internship you can bet I would be telling the morons ” just keep it up there will be an opening soon” snark!

  35. Mike McCormick: “It’s the oddest damned thing but you simply have to be worth more to your employer than the cost of having you around. Otherwise, what’s the point?”
    Hey, the employers are getting paid, aren’t they? A lot of them have paid off their mortgages, their two cars, cottages, holidays, etc.. Under these circumstances, it’s obscene that they’re asking young grads, often with debts, to work for nothing with no guarantee of a job after they’ve volunteered for six months or more.
    My daughter’s in a similar situation with an MA and a great command of the language (more important than many people think). She worked as a waitress while she was in university and paid for most things herself. She’s actually been offered a job, at much less than she’s worth, but with benefits and a pension, but still hasn’t seen the contract or signed it some weeks after verbally accepting the job.
    ‘Absolutely incredible. The employers drive premium cars and live lovely lives. I feel for many of our young people — not the entitled, know-nothing, I’m-special idiots who expect everything for nothing — who have lots to offer an employer but there are no opportunities. ‘Lots of entitlements going to Boomers, not enough money to extend to the newcomers.
    I’ve been a counter-cultural Boomer — my husband and I are looking at Freedom 85 if we live that long — but I’m ashamed of so many Boomers who hold onto jobs for fun money and to guarantee the lifestyles to which they’ve grown accustomed and aren’t willing to step aside for a young person to fill their position. In my experience, most of their kids are fine and they’re the only young people getting married, buying houses, and having kids.
    Other grads aren’t so lucky. And they’ve been badly let down by some very selfish, self-centred, doin’-OK, Boomers who’ve never heard — and/or don’t think it’s important — “love your neighbour as yourself.” Their motto is “I’m OK, my kids are OK, and I could give a flying ***k if you’re OK.”
    This is the new dispensation: Every person for him/herself.
    IOW, dog eat dog. Congratulations, post-Christian Canada!

  36. No need to expose the juxtaposition, Kate. If they gave any thought to what the market wants (or if they paid any attention to it at all) they wouldn’t be in the position they find themselves in now.
    Just like the shock we’re expecting Obama voters to feel once reality sets in.

  37. All else aside, what kind of -idiot- takes an unpaid internship? You want me to work, you pay me. Otherwise go find some other sucker willing to work for free.
    That chick has a “L” branded on her forehead. Lewwwwwser!

  38. Thomas Sowell has argued how minimum wage laws mostly affect the young, who have very limited or no marketable job skills. The minimum wage laws price them out of jobs they could potentially use to start building experience that would help them move up to better paying jobs later.
    It’s the same with internships. The idea of an internship is to accompany working professionals in their day to day job so as to obtain some of their skills. Because an intern is typically still a student, they are entering into an internship to gain the sort of practical experience their academic studies cannot provide.
    All they are going to accomplish is making internships rare for everyone else. I would have gladly worked an unpaid internship during college. For lots of people it led directly to a good paying job after graduation.

  39. C-Miner ” In fields where there are shortages that the schools are scrambling to fill” What jobs would these be? Apprenticeships are great if you can get one, but in Ontario it is very difficult to get an apprenticeship.

  40. My two cents…
    If you’re sitting on the ground with a sign in protest, then you’re doing something wrong.
    Internships are fine, but the interns need to be sharks. Getting experience and having a timeframe for getting out is necessary. Don’t expect anything other than learning opportunities.
    Eventually you have to hustle for some pay and take opportunities where they present themselves. Grab one whether it’s perfect or not and run with it. Cash is cash.
    Kids expect stuff on a silver platter. Career paths, money, professional support.
    Gotta just hustle and look out for yourself.

  41. If anyone knows of a youngster looking to apprentice in the trades, please send an e-mail to neutralhills at gmail dot com. I am aware of many opportunities in my rural area here in east central Alberta (mostly resource industry, but not all), and I would be more than pleased to put you in contact with the right person.

  42. simple yet so true.
    … … …
    The folks who are getting free stuff, don’t like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff, can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.
    And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff, want the free stuff to stop.
    And the folks who are getting the free stuff, want even MORE free stuff on top of the free stuff they’re already getting!
    Now, the people who are forcing the people who PAY for the free stuff, have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.
    So, the people who are GETTING the free stuff, have been convinced they need to HATE the people who are PAYING for the free stuff by the people who are forcing the people who are PAYING for the free stuff and GIVING them the free stuff in the first place.
    … … …
    I did not write the above, the author is unknown…

  43. Hi batb,
    Sean at 5:47 wrote “If I create value for your business, I expect a share of it to be directed to me.” Quite right. 6 minutes earlier, someone named Sean, probably the same person, wrote “Instead of working free for someone else, I would choose to work free for myself, setting up my own business.” Also quite right. People who can do neither, get unpaid internships and, I hope, learn something that will help them understand about creating value and/or starting a business.

  44. I cant understand these people that dont want unpaid apprentaships.They will go to university(unpaid),fork out tuition for numerous years and graduate with a nothing degree and wonder what went wrong,but to enroll in an unpaid appretiship is wrong? Give your head a shake,you should PAY for an apprentiship in a plumbing or a like profession! You will end up with a skill and be in demand as an employee,if your not then its YOUR fault.

  45. Well of course you’re right, Captain Dave. That is, after all, why so many are majoring in Queer Studies, and Womyn’s Studies, and Great African Literature Studies and…

  46. Posted by: Canadian Friend at November 15, 2012 6:33 PM ….
    Whoever said that,s/he hit the nail bang on the head.

  48. “Sure, you pay $60k in rent, food, and everything else, walk away with $30k”
    And in what other job, given you have no training and no experience, can you walk away at the end of a year with 30 grand in your pocket?
    Idiot.

  49. The fact that such a thing as unpaid internships exist, is proof that your education was useless. If your education actually provided you with a skill, you would be worth something in the private job market. Learn real skills and this will not be an issue.

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