“Behind every small business, there’s a story worth knowing. All the corner shops in our towns and cities, the restaurants, cleaners, gyms, hair salons, hardware stores – these didn’t come out of nowhere. A lot of heart goes into each one. And if small businesspeople say they made it on their own, all they are saying is that nobody else worked seven days a week in their place. Nobody showed up in their place to open the door at five in the morning. Nobody did their thinking, and worrying, and sweating for them. After all that work, and in a bad economy, it sure doesn’t help to hear from their president that government gets the credit. What they deserve to hear is the truth: Yes, you did build that.”
1) Obamacare will be repealed so we can save your Medicare entitlement.
2) Our Bureau of Central Planning will work on getting y’all a job instead of jacking the deficit up.
3) Mit Romney is a nicer guy than that commie saboteur Barry, and we promise not to throw our wooden shoes in the gears on purpose like Barry does.
Well I’m impressed Phantom you can see reality for the way it is. Very occasionally. You should do it more often.
SYF: so TARP has been paid back as long as you cherry pick all those entities that went busto. You should be Obama’s ‘math adviser’. Oh, and Ryan voted for the autobailouts, as well as TARP, Medicare D, etc. The guy is a big government tool.
Then, Obama has added hispanics, with his refusal to enforce the borders, his lawsuits against States trying to enforce immigration rules, his exorting them to ‘fight the enemy’ and his current Dream Act amnesty.
This is the resident ‘concern troll’ who accuses anyone who disagrees with him of making ‘baseless statements’ making baseless statements galore.
Finally: there is every reason to think Obama will be re-elected.
Posted by: LAS at August 30, 2012 12:58 PM
All I’m saying, ‘let me blow you, Obama’ is that when you take all the money shovelled out the door to private sector banks, it has been paid back with all interest.
The great majority of monies still owed are by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Government Motors, none of which are private sector banks.
As for what I should or should not do, quit it you control freak.
Wednesday night, Ryan said the goal was to cut government spending to 20% of GDP and he said that it was not only the Obama administration (read Bush before that) which grew government beyond that threshold.
As for your last statement … Bwahahahahahaha.
ET – Yes, the smears and personal attacks. Lets start with #1. Romney flip flopped on gay marriage between Mass. Gov. and run for Pres. Obama 4 years ago opposed gay marriage – now he has seen the light – Hurrah scream the enlighted ones, but not a flip flop. #2 Ryans budget – yes the Congress passed his budget, but the Senate refused to bring it to a vote, and the Obama budget was defeated in the Senate by all Senators – both parties. Therefore, there is no Ryan budget, there will be a Romney budget – some of it will be seen tonight.
LAS, all you do is make assertions but when asked for accountability, you are silent.
I’ve asked you to explain why believing that life begins at conception is, as you claim, ‘absurd’. I’ve asked you several times. No response.
You now claim that my statement of:
“Then, Obama has added hispanics, with his refusal to enforce the borders, his lawsuits against States trying to enforce immigration rules, his exorting them to ‘fight the enemy’ and his current Dream Act amnesty.”
is baseless!!! Don’t you know the facts? Each action in the above paragraph is grounded in empirical reality. Don’t you know this?
Ryan specifically referenced the 23 billion people out of work under Obama, the increase in food stamp recipients; the Stimulus which didn’t go to infrastructure ‘shovel-ready’ projects but instead went to pay the unionized public service and for irrelevant projects like Solyndra.
He specifically referred to Obama’s reduction in the amount of money available to Medicare by 716 billion which he’s used for his Obamacare – a plan rejected by the majority of Americans.
Ryan has previously outlined HIS plan for Medicare.
He referred to Obama’s reference in 2008 that adding to the debt was ‘unpatriotic’ and yet, Obama has added to it by 5 trillion.
His plan includes tax fairness and regulatory reform (and no, this speech wasn’t the time to be specific); reducing federal spending to 20% of the GDP. And said repeatedly that the GOP governance would not be constantly ‘blaming others’.
Now, how about you providing some substance for your own opinions?
Teleprompter will do anything to stay in power. He is already allowing illegals to vote without papers. There is no depth to low that he will go to stay in power. He speaks lyonese and can not be trusted. Wouldn’t be surprised if elections are suspended for one reason or another.
Ryan specifically referenced the 23 billion people out of work under Obama…
Posted by: ET at August 30, 2012 1:43 PM
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OK, I dislike Obama intensely, and I’ve been known to utilize hyperbole…….but 23 billion? 😉
Each action in the above paragraph is grounded in empirical reality.
Wow are you ever one pathologically conceited mofo. You really think that your assertions are more grounded than mine. There is no grounding for calling the Dream act an ‘amnesty’. All it does is give a break to Hispanics getting an education. And there’s no grounding to the garbage that America’s borders are undefended. Under Obama, deportation continue at a massive and unnecessary rate.
Ryan’s plan for medicare is to cancel Obama’s cuts (one of the few good things he’s done) and continue increase spending at a slightly slower rate than Obama would…to balance the budget in 30 years.
Has Ryan or Romney said what big-ticket items they would cut? What regulations they would trash? No of course not because that entails thought and your support is really easy to get.
1) There is no grounding for calling the Dream act an ‘amnesty’. All it does is give a break to Hispanics getting an education. 2)And there’s no grounding to the garbage that America’s borders are undefended. Under Obama, deportation continue at a massive and unnecessary rate.
Posted by: LASL at August 30, 2012 2:16 PM
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1) Ever hear the old joke about the farmer who has a pig with a wooden leg? The punch line being “A pig like that, you don’t eat him all at once”.
2) Deportations, I seem to recall, but I can’t be bothered researching it, that this administration’s deportation figures might be SLIGHTLY (cough, cough) ‘overblown’.
LAS – Obamacare does not equal Medicare, you know better than that. Maybe, just maybe, Ryan voted for TARP etc because he mistakenly believed the US tradition of bipartisanship still existed.
Policy is not an either or proposition – it isn’t about ordering chicken or beef from the menu, it’s more like a buffet.
If that is difficult for you to understand then research the incremental approach of PMSH of moving the Cdn political culture back to the political centre/right, rather than the incremental approach by the unelected “intelligensia” (media, academe and burearucracy) to move it further left.
A car can’t reverse direction at once, it must first stop the momentum in one direction to move it to another.
WRT Ryan’s speech, I thought it was pretty good and plan, when not at work not building things, to read the transcript to reinforce what I heard and saw. My favourite line went something like this: “Mr Obama you took office nearly four years ago, isn’t it time you now took responsibility?”
IMO the speech had two goals, one which succeeded and one for which we may get some answer tonight. First, Ryan framed the presidential debate into the philosophical and psychological differences in the parties’ approaches, to lay the groundwork for the harder work of presenting actual policies, which will/should happen tonight to at least begin to accomplish the second goal.
The overall goal of the campaign seems not to wow people with charsma and charm and convert hard-core Dem voters. A strategy of converting decided voters will fail for either party. No, clearly the GOP is taking aim at the swing/undecided voter. Hard-core Democrats will hate Ryan’s speech and equally partisan Republicans will love it. That should surprise no one.
That is why Romney’s speech is so important; Ryan put a likeable human face on the GOP platform, Romney must step in with the red meat of policy to complete the presentation. I don’t know if he can, or the media will let him, pull that off.
In summary the GOP seems to want to combine patriotism/US pride with leadership, which they say is lacking in the Obama approach. Rice made that point when she said she had spoken to world leaders who said they are proud of the US but wonder if the country has pride in itself.
If you’re on Facebook and want to have some fun, take a look at the desperate posts by the Looney Left here. One young female student at Concordia in Montreal has even convinced herself of an “Obama sweep”!
Deportations, I seem to recall, but I can’t be bothered researching it, that this administration’s deportation figures might be SLIGHTLY (cough, cough) ‘overblown’.
Only a little. They are still very high.
Shamrock: I never equated Medicare to Obamacare. And you’re totally wrong about everything else. Policy-specifically voting on it- IS either or. You either voted for it or against it or abstained. A car sure isn’t going to stop and Ryan isn’t even going to tap the breaks. He likes big government and in that regard Stephen Harper is an excellent comparison. And you will make an endless list of excuses for both.
nemo – focus on facts not typography.
LAS – you do not provide any evidence. Just repeating your assertions is not evidence.
LASL -No, Obama’s ‘current Dream act amnesty’ is indeed an amnesty. It removes them from any threat of deportation; that’s what the term means.
And it has nothing to do with ‘giving a break to Hispanics getting an education’. Wow – that has to be the most obtuse red herring I’ve read in a long time. Provide your grounds for this assertion,
First, it is not geared to ‘Hispanics’, a wildly ambiguous term, but to illegal immigrants, most of who are Hispanic, who were brought here by parents before the age of 16, have lived in the US for five years, without a criminal record, to apply for a two-year ‘deferral’ (heh, as if they were on the verge of being deported!!) and obtain a work permit. Nothing to do, absolutely nothing to do, with ‘getting an education’.
Two years. Hmm. Obama will do more for these two year on-holds IF elected! There’s about 800,000 of them. All owing gratitude to The One.
Oh, and Obama yet again, sidestepped Congress and did this by Executive Fiat. That’s illegal. Only Congress has the right to make legislation. But Obama did it…hmm, I wonder why.
As for deportations, Obama has reduced the National Guard Service from 1,200 to 300, shut down 9 border stations and deporting 400,000 (and I don’t trust these inflated figures) from a population of 11 million illegals is a joke.
Now, how about those lawsuits against states and his exhorting Hispanics to ‘fight the enemy’? Hmm? You declared them baseless. So, justify your comments.
No, Ryan’s plan for Medicare is to keep it as is for those over 65 and 55 ie beginning in 2023, and transform its funding system into a triadic choice. You choose one of three options. A ‘regular’ plan for which you regularly pay; a ‘reduced plan’ for which you receive refunds; and a ‘premium plan’ for which you pay extra. The plan is also adjusted for income.
Obama’s requirement that everyone purchase health care or be taxed would be repealed. You can read Ryan’s plan online. He outlines the cuts; there’s a great deal of thought in his budget. Do the research.
Your comment, LAS, that Ryan and Romney haven’t said what ‘big ticket items’ they would cut, because ‘they don’t think’ is insulting. They first have to accept the nomination and then, outline their specific plans.
Oh, and LAS, how about your rejection of ‘life begins at conception’. Could you provide evidence for your rejection of this fact?
Robert, link is blank.
So LAS, what are you?
The information below is copied from an email I received from a friend this morning.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
The creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
— Winston Churchill
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read:
Unfortunately, most voters don’t know this.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
I’ve posted two replies to LAS, rejecting his ungrounded opinions. Both caught in the filter. Hopefully, Robert will release one or both.
I just wish Churchill had been less of a socialist himself.
LAS, to say that Ryan and Harper like big government, without evidence, is yet another example of your constant assertions here, without ever providing any grounds for your assertions.
Then, your attempt to set up a firewall against any criticism of your claim, by declaring, even before it comes, that it is irrelevant (ie, by denigrating the person who criticizes you as merely ‘making excuses’) is yet another example of your refusal to be accountable for your opinions.
As I said, I’ve rebutted every single one of your claims about Medicare and budgets, and Hispanics – heh – what a claim, that Obama’s amnesty isn’t an amnesty..and it has zilch to do with Hispanics getting an education. So, if they are released from the filter, you can do some research and ground your opinions.
Oh, and what about your claim that life doesn’t begin at conception? Hmmm?
ET:
It’s a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That other pro-death stuff is based on 16th-century science.
A great speech, too bad every bullet point was pretty much a lie. But, doesn’t take much to stir up the base I guess.
■Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.
■Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
■Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.
■Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.
■Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats
Straight from the left wing media:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
set you free, I fully agree that life begins at conception. LAS, a few days ago, called such a fact ‘absurd’. I’ve been trying to get him to be accountable for his comment but he remains silent.
Thanks, Robert, for releasing my comment.
Shamrock, nice comments. I agree that the GOP campaign isn’t about charisma. They aren’t campaigning for Our Dear Leader. They are campaigning, as they keep repeating, for America. And they define America as individual freedom, small private businesses, and a limited government that enables such a focus on ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’.
The Democrats in 2008 campaigned on charisma. They had nothing else, for the terms of hope and change are semantically empty. Now, what are they campaigning on? Vicious negative personal attacks, and dividing the population into government dependent client groups.
The problem for all of you lefties is you cannot destroy Ryan as you have others in the past. No reporter is smart enough to trip him up. Enough people saw that speech live that no amount of negative advertising can stop it now. The preference cascade has already begun and it will just accelerate as we go. It will only speed up next week when the Democrat Convention ignores the economy and focuses on free contraception as the cure all.
All the polls show the race today as tied but that is with registered voters, not likely voters. Obama is going down and there is nothing you can do about it. And just wait until the VP debates, that will be funny. This is the end of your rule, go back to the wilderness and polish up Hillary for 2016.
ET I repeatedly back up my claims with facts. Like the fact that government spending and total employed federally is much higher now than when Harper took power. Or that Ryan voted for TARP etc. Then you ignore these facts and make airy claims and grasp for straws. I’m kind of tired of your BS. You’re just not worth the time.
I didn’t address the ‘life begins at’ question because I wanted to focus but you insist. At conception and for a while afterward, there is nothing but an unthinking undifferentiated mass of cells. It is only ‘alive’ in the sense that a protozoan is.
Herb, that is weak list. Just because Ryan scuttled a committee doesn’t absolve Obama of having not followed its advice. And that the S&P blamed ‘partisan gridlock’ doesn’t absolve Obama of his spending spree either.
Dick Slater wrote: “As a member of the Church of Rome, Ryan professes to believe [sic] that if you recount your sins to a pedophile in a clerical costume [sic] on your death bed and tell God you’re really very, very sorry—whether or not you lifted a finger to make amends for it [sic] when it was likely to matter much—the priest will cheerfully cast a magic spell [sic] that will keep you from eternal damnation [sic]. Of course, Ryan knows better—so do most of the Roman clergy, I suspect—but he’s hoping his empty promise of being able to keep them out of hell for a little while longer [sic] will get old men and women to vote Republican.”
What mean-spirited, offensive, lying—make that SICK—hogwash!
This is a free country and a free-speech site. And sometimes, I even agree with you. However, for comments like this, IMO, Mr. Slater, you’re a blight on the landscape and a bigot.
Why don’t you get lost?
@LAS – I never said it absolved him of anything. Just pointing out the ‘truthiness’ of Ryan.
People do not willingly give up hope, so even those with reservations or doubts about Romney are likely to vote for him, as most see another 4 years of Obama as the first 4 years of a dark age for America.
The opinions offered by LAS/SYF aim to persuade readers that if Obama gets in, he will be out in 4 years, and the Paulists will be the ones picking up the pieces.
Obama will ensure, if he gets another 4 years, that there will never be another competitive election by legalizing every illegal, and destroying the integrity of elections by court decrees allowing voting by mail, and other easy means of fraudulent voting. All he needs is one more vote on the Supreme Court to achieve that same ” independence ” in domestic affairs that he boasted to Medvedev he would enjoy post-election in foreign affairs.
This election is the last chance for America, and the vast majority know that now. The undecideds, as they reflect over the next 2 months will likely reach the same decision. Americans will see criminality from the left that will make Occupy’s ” actions ” look like a 5 year old’s birthday party by comparison. Their motto is: ” By any means necessary “.
I hope Romney and Ryan take every precaution as the campaign progresses to protect themselves from these vermin.
LAS is an idiot, in case “it” doesn’t know it.
Apparently, unbeknownst to this unintelligent “mass of cells”, LAS, like all of us, actually started as “an unthinking undifferentiated mass of cells. It [sic: the foetus, male or female] is only ‘alive’ in the sense that a protozoan is [sic].” (Hmmm . . . I wonder what happens to this male or female human being if s/he isn’t aborted before about nine months’ gestation?)
If it wasn’t at conception, I also wonder at what point after conception—at which point, each individual’s entire DNA structure is set—LAS “become” human? Rhetorical question, I guess. I don’t think LAS has actually become “human”: this person is definitely “unthinking” and functioning at a VERY low level of development.
LAS, now that Harper has a majority government, he has cut both the federal employees and the federal budget. You totally ignore that with a minority government completely dependent for its life on a majority of socialists in opposition, made up of the Liberals, NDP and Bloc, Harper was unable to do what he is now doing. Kindly remember that if a budget fails in the House, so does the government.
TARP has no relevance to the Stimulus of Obama, neither in its intent for its actual actions.
Equally, you have not provided evidence for your illegals, border or amnesty comments.
Therefore, your ‘factual claims’ are without context and validity.
Your statement that you didn’t address the ‘life begins at conception’ question because you wanted to focus is empty. Focus on what?
As for your current claim that “At conception and for a while afterward, there is nothing but an unthinking undifferentiated mass of cells. It is only ‘alive’ in the sense that a protozoan is.” That has to be one of the most biologically ignorant comments I’ve ever read.
Are you saying that life only begins with the actions of thought? Wow. When does ‘thinking’ begin? And are you biologically claiming that a fertilized cell or even an unfertilized one, is undifferentiated? Do you know nothing about cell construction? And do you know nothing about DNA?
So, to you, the FACT that a zygote, which is the union of the egg and sperm cells, (which you define as undifferentiated) is already differentiated, and completely encoded to develop into a human being? Now, that encoding is an example of thought, LAS.
The paramecium, on the other hand, is not a diploid as is the human zygote, it is not encoded to develop into a human being. It is a unicellular organism, which does have internal differentiation, but no complex genetic code.
How you could equate a complex human zygote with a paramecium has to be one the most ignorant biological comments I’e seen in a long time.
. . . “‘became’ human”. . .
Herb, because Sally Kohn, who wrote that article wrote it on FOX doesn’t mean that she is a conservative or is accurate. She is neither; she is a progressive. You should read Michelle Malkin on her!
Kohn has repeatedly accused the GOP of being racist, of being anti-women, and her comments about Ryan are empty of facts and totally ambiguous.
Ryan hasn’t ’embraced the same savings’ of right now removing 716 billion from Medicare. Nor has he merged it with Obamacare.
Obama rejected the bipartisan recommendations and must take responsibility. Kindly explain how Ryan ‘helped scuttle them’. Please be specific.
What does ‘tax relief’ for workers actually mean? Which workers? How? The stimulus went heavily to maintain public service workers.
Obama’s massive increase of the debt and his increase of entitlement spending was the key reason for the reduction in rating. To try to spread the blame is irrelevant, for the president is supposed to be the leader not the victim. Remember that there hasn’t been a budget passed for Obama’s entire time in office.
@ET
What’s up with the ad-hom’s? I didn’t expect that from you.
So, “the S&P clearly said it (the reduction in rating) was due to congressional gridlock and even wrote that it was partly due to the GOP’s dogmatic position on taxes.” That’s all president’s fault? Congress is controlled by the president?
Why did you not address this? “the closing of the Janesville GM plant, and clearly implying that this was one more casualty of the Obama-unemployment era. Whereas of course the plant was shuttered before Obama even took office.” Was that the truth?
How did he help scuttle it? “blasting Obama for not enacting the outlook of the Simpson-Bowles commission, without noting that Ryan himself was on the commission and voted against its recommendations because they included tax increases as well as spending cuts.”
The whole thing was filled with half-truth’s (expected), mis-characterizations (expected) and out right lies (unexpected?). Let’s call it for what it was, a typical politicians speech. Nothing more.
Herb (5:15): You wrote, in response to ET,
One can only assume, Herb, that you either didn’t watch the speech or are relying on one or more of the MSM’s/Dem’s “fact”-checkers and regurgitating what they said here. What Ryan said — and this is verbatim — is “When (Obama) talked about change many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.”
As noted in the HotAir link at Kate’s 3:59 PM post:
herb, do you know what ad hominem means? I didn’t use such a fallacy. Criticizing someone is not ad hominem. I suggest you look up the term.
Where did the S&P ‘clearly state’ the reason? Please provide direct not indirect evidence. That is, quoting from a secondary source can’t be used as evidence.
I’ve read the S&P reasons; they say not one word about gridlock or the GOP’s ‘dogmatic position on taxes’. Google S&P ratings and downgrade of the US. You’ll find their official article.
With regard to the closing of the plant, I refer you to George Will, who wrote
“by 2005, GM had essentially become a health-care company that also happened to make automobiles. That year, GM offered $5.2 billion in health care annually to 1.1 million workers and retirees, with retirees outnumbering active workers by 2.5 to 1. When the federal government bailed GM out to the tune of $50 billion in 2010, the United Auto Workers got a 17.5 percent share of the government’s majority stake.”
And yet, instead of dealing with the parasitic stranglehold of unions over manufacturing, Obama chose to use taxpayer money to prop up the unions, both at GM and in the public service. Did he, as a Senator, ever do anything about this situation? Did he during his several years campaigning make any comment? Yes, he did, he actually promised during the 2008 campaign to keep that plant open!
As for Ryan’s vote, he is not the President. Therefore, he couldn’t ‘help scuttle’ it. He rejected the tax increases and supported the spending cuts. Obama ignored the whole thing and didn’t act as a leader and guide the process into just the cuts.
So, were there no truths to Ryan’s speech? Or was he, just as you must view Obama, lying and misinforming?
ET:
An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.
So, why preface your response with anything about the author instead of addressing the argument? That’s pretty much exactly what you did.
@ET
Not one word about gridlock? Straight from S&P decision:
The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan
that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of
what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s
medium-term debt dynamics.
More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness,
stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political
institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic
challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a
negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the
gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us
pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be
able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal
consolidation plan that stabilizes the government’s debt dynamics any
time soon.
herb, my comments about Sally Kohn weren’t ad hominem.
You gave us a list of accusations she made about Ryan; you tried to claim that they had authority because they came from FOX. I pointed out that such an ‘appeal to authority’ (FOX) was invalid because she wasn’t a conservative and had a documented history of smear accusations against the GOP. Therefore your attempt to persuade us of the validity of her opinions, by using the term ‘FOX’, was fallacious. An appeal to authority.
Ms Kohn’s statement that “the S&P clearly said it (the reduction in rating) was due to congressional gridlock and even wrote that it was partly due to the GOP’s dogmatic position on taxes” is untrue. What you and she are ignoring is the reasons for the stalemate, which includes the Administration’s focus on increasing entitlements and increasing the debt and refusing to deal with these two problems.
You have correctly posted the S&P comments. Notice how they refer not only to Congress (and we know that Harry Reid has consistently refused to deal with House/GOP bills in the Senate) but also to the Administration. Both you and Ms Kohn ignore the Administration, ie, Obama.
I’m sure you read more of the S&P report, where they declare that the Administration doesn’t have a plan to deal with these problems, doesn’t seem to be addressing reduction in spending. They refer to the rising debt burden, policy uncertainty, and keep referring to the unwillingness to deal with the debt or entitlements (which the GOP are very eager to deal with).
They point out that the ratio of debt to GNP will, in 2015, have the US at the highest of 80%, while Canada will be the lowest at 30%. They point out that Obama’s government refuses to deal with the committee on deficit reduction’s recommendations.
Therefore, the original report rather than Ms Kohn’s biased comments, is a far better analysis.
herb –
About your claim:
Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
THE BIPARTISAN DEFICIT (spending ) COMMISSION PUT HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OBAMA’S NEW SPENDING IN THEIR PLAN.
Any chance Ryan walked away because of the new spending? Hmm? What was Ron Paul’s position on the bipartisan deficit ( spending )commission?
Truly remarakble speeches by Ryan and by Rice.
No surprise at ALL that trolls found it necessary to deflect from the fact of this through the usual methods.
Squirm you knobs!
I’m betting that the next few months are going to be very unpleasant for you.
■Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances – herb
There you go again, herb. Here’s the note that actuary put at the end of the report, that gives his professional opinion of the whole thing:
“the financial projections shown in this report for Medicare do not represent a reasonable expectation for actual program operations in either the short range (as a result of the unsustainable reductions in physician payment rates) or the long range…”
Why did he put that in the report? Well, in the actuary’s report he was obligated to assume the assumptions in Obamacare all came true, and here are two of those sprinklings of fairy dust:
– Assume payments to doctors drop 30% by the
end of THIS YEAR.
– Assume payments to most other parts of the
healthcare system, ( including hospitals,
outpatient surgery, diagnostic labs, and many
other fall by 50% over the forecast period.
These levels would put government payments
well below those allowed by PRIVATE INSURANCE.
herb, it’s fine to argue for Obama, but you guys should stick to the truth, and drop the intentional lies.
Posted by: small c conservative at August 30, 2012 4:17 PM
If Obama is elected again, he’ll be out in four years?
Who would have guessed?
If teleprompter is elected again, he’ll likely pull a Bloomberg and get rid of the limit on terms.
Joe Biden in the federal witness relocation program? That must be a typo. Surely it would be “witless” relocation program.
ET asked me to back up my statements and then makes unbacked statements of his own. Classic. Oh and the claim that Harper has cut federal spending is a LIE. Another ET LIE. So I’m not going to bother responding to any more of ET’s lies. This individual lacks any objective sense of reality and will believe and say anything they want.
I love it when SoCons play scientist. It’s so cute, like they actually know anything. I have a degree relevant to the discussion and let me tell you you don’t know anything. Yes, a zygote genetically encodes a human. So what? Still just a blob of cells. With no thoughts and no rights. I pick birth as my cutoff.
LAS, gosh, it’s slick to claim, as Obama does, that ‘you don’t understand me’ and end the discussion. heh. Check out Harper’s latest budget for the spending cuts.
Well, I have a few degrees in the area as well, and your equation of a zygote as a ‘blob of cells’ is , well, it’s a blob of total and complete ignorance.
You claim that this blob only becomes ‘human’ and with any rights to life, if the blob is thinking. Do you know that we still don’t know when ‘thinking’ begins and how it operates? You don’t seem to know a thing about cognition. By the way, do you reject the right to life of a child who has serious cognitive difficulties and frankly, can’t ‘think’? Do you?
You reject that the right to live exists in the zygote. To you, a child can be aborted at any time before it is ‘born’. But a human being MUST go through this zygote phase. How dare you deny humans the right to this necessary embryonic phase? By denying humans this phase you are denying them the right to life.
By denying humans this phase you are denying them the right to life.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD MY SIDES. I guess every moment I fail to fertilize an egg I have committed an egregious sin. It’s hilarious how far out of your element you are. You should go back to making false claims like ‘Harper cut spending’ even though his own budget says IT’S GOING UP.
LAS, you are in error. Don’t you know that a zygote IS the fertilized egg? Hmm.
The growth of the human biological organism begins at the instant of the formation of the zygote. All the coding necessary for the formation of the individual human is there, right then, and needs no further encodement. It just requires nurturance. I suggest you, ah, reread your basic texts.
In Harper’s 2012 budget, “Ottawa plans to chop 19,200 public-service jobs, cut federal program spending by $5.2-billion a year and, in perhaps its most controversial move, extend the retirement age of millions of Canadians to 67.”
Cheers. Facts, both politically and biologically, make a difference.
Nothing you said made any point contradicting my own.
And that’s $5.2 billion in ‘savings’…which will be spent elsewhere. Overall spending is slated to go up and up.
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/30/flahertys-no-cut-budget/
In the coming fiscal year (2012-13), the Conservative government plans to spend $245-billion (leaving aside interest charges on the debt). From there, program spending will increase each and every year over the budget’s five-year planning horizon. By 2016-17, program spending will be some $27-billion higher than it this year.
FACT PWNED
The bottom line is that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.