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I just started yoga, that looks like a great exercise. My wife and I will definitely be participating.
Leaders of the minority community have termed the move as un-Islamic and equated it with idol-worship, which is prohibited in Islam.
[SNIP]
However, Muslim leaders have termed the move as an attempt to saffronise the education system.
I don’t often agree with Muzzies but they are correct here.
Yoga is one of the six classic systems of Hindu philosophy.
Yoga is Hinduism
Oz >
“Yoga is Hinduism”
“Oh really? Then obviously they must die! Here we thought they were just nice people trying to help our circulation to be better Jihadists against the evil white people that take us into their lands and give us free things.”
Well, gee. I Googled the exercise and it sure looks unIslamic to me-probably evil too and with sexual overtones. And those LuluLemons sure add to it all. I’m sure God in any/all of His incarnations never meant man (let alone woman) to stretch and reach upward, touch their toes and stretch their backs. I’m sure they’d be much healthier piecing together some explosive or another.
Thanks Oz – a wise comment.
Next will be a ban on Yogurt and there already is one on Bananas, Cucumbers and Carrots.
(fät’wä’)
n.
A legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar.
It is an error to equate the term ‘fatwa’ with ‘death sentence’.
A more accurate description would be to describe ‘fatwa’ as ‘to forbid’, the sanction for practicing ‘that which is forbidden’ does vary.
Hindus have long used Yoga( which is Hinduism) for proselytizing in the West, selling it as an ‘exercise system’.
It is not.
If you want a secular religion free exercise system try calisthenics.
Oz – the Surya Namaskar looks a lot like a back stretch to me. If I call it a back stretch while wearing Lulu Lemons am I still worshipping a sun god and following a Hindi religious practise?
Next thing you know they’ll be banning the Obama Sutra.
“Five Muslim men from Derby have gone on trial for allegedly handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be killed in the first ever prosecution under new legislation making such actions a hate crime.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/10/muslim-anti-gay-leaflet-hate
This is why the west has stealth technology, air conditioning and buffalo chicken wings while islam has barely emerged from the caves.
There is no humour or fun in Islam…Ayatollah Khumeni…..
I think it was Edward I, who banned the playing of golf. But his motive was to promote archery….
Maybe he was wise…remember Crecy….Agincourt. It was a passing advantage like most inovations. It was made obsolete by the introduction of horse drawn field artillery.
The supremacy of the English longbow only ended when the French moved gun-powder artilley to the battlefield rather than just reserve it for the seige train (reduction of fortifications).
Henry V made extensive use of seige cannon against fortified French cities and towns….even against Mont St. Michel…..
The coincidental developement of individual firearms, the horse collar and the horseshoe was the tipping point where the medieval phased into the Middle Ages.
I agree with VD Hansen….the main reason western europeans succeeded in conquering most of the world…is that they are more effective killers…a detail the muzzies should note.
The “black Hawk Down” Somalia incident is relavent…the US forces lost 19 KIA—the Somalis lost 1000 KIA…
Perhaps we should just ban Fatwas from global fools? I fatwah your fatwa.
rroe, I couldn’t give a rat’s rosey red root what you do.
Actually Oz is correct.
If you’re taught the exercises by western teachers, you more than likely don’t receive a mantra.
Way back in the beginning of the yoga thing, a small group of us joined a group led by a visiting swami. After we had progressed through the exercises and the nasal cleansing instruction, the swami took us to the next step.
In our innocence, or stupidity, we didn’t realize we were being given a Hindu prayer to a personal god/goddess.
Scoff all you want to, but if you choose a yoga exercise class make sure your teacher is a westerner who is only dabbling in Hinduism.
Peace.
Some people may excuse the practice of yoga by claiming they just want the health benefit from stretching, and why not because stretching feels good.
However, beyond feeling good, there is no proven benefit to stretching.
None.
You are better off doing light calisthenics or approaching your primary exercise routine in a slower fashion until you are warmed up.
Yoga is Hinduism.
Good to see that you cooled down Oz.
I thought my comment might have caused you tob have blown a gasket.
My point is that when I am stretching all I am doing is stretching. If the Mohamedans and the Hindi want to make it something else, that is up to them until they try to impose their beliefs on me.
Hinduism the bases of the Indian caste system where the darker the skin the lower your standing in society, among other racial and ethnic standards. The whiter the skin generally the more privileged you are. The number one cosmetic throughout SEA is skin whitening cream.
But of course it’s quite alright to import this particular culture/ religion into Canada, because thank god they didn’t come from indigenous Europe. Look how well they have progressed beyond western values as a “parliamentary democracy” including superior, health, education, poverty reduction, welfare and healthcare, technology, etcetera……….
rroe, I am not a socialist.
I really do not care what other people do as long as it does not affect me.
That said; Yoga(and the specific poses assumed) is the practice of Hinduism whether one chants or not, spiritual ignorance of the practitioner notwithstanding.
The Air India bombers were Yoga practitioners.
Enough said.
How many of these Indian immigrant gangs that have overrun Vancouver requiring a special city & RCMP task force to deal with the massive problem practice Yoga? We don’t know because we don’t keep those inconvenient statistics.
How does that position compare to their the prayer position?
As I see it the major points of the thread article are:
*Muslim leaders say practicing Yoga(Hinduism) is un-Islamic
*this is being done in a public school which, given the religious tensions in India, should be seen to remain secular
These Muslim leaders have therefor forbidden Muslim students to take part.
They are right to do so.
The idea that this is extremist reaction on the part of these Muslim leaders comes from certain Westerner’s abject ignorance about religion in general and Yoga(Hinduism) in particular.
How does that position compare to their the prayer position?
~Liz J
Yoga positions are prayer/meditation positions.
Meanwhile, somewhere in a courtroom in Kingston, Ont.
This is Mohammad, and this is his wife – Mohammad.
Kill two infidels with one stone and put a fatwa on donuts, which represent the yoga circle and eternal voluptuosity?
foobert >
Yea, but you have to admit that was a pretty filthy and disgusting photo of her daughter in the pink dress, with a cell phone of all evil tings.
Oh excuse me, if I’m becoming a little culturally enriched like the left has been promoting for the last several decades.
I though for a second it said “missionary” position.
As opposed to the Qran approved “sheep” position…..
Oz
The point I am making is that they both can do what they want in their religion so long as it doesn’t get imposed on me. Strangely enough, the article says that the Indian government and the schools are not making participation mandatory. Maybe they are aware of the issues you raise.
As a side note, the problem with Islam is that it one of its main tenets, dar al islam – the peace that comes from being the only religion in the world is often interpreted by observers as requiring them to impose their religion on everyone else. I’m not aware that that is a Hindi purpose – but if it is – don’t hesitate to tell me.
As another side note, your comments suggest that just performing the motions is observing the religion. I have trouble with that because I think the head and heart have to be involved. I appreciate being educated to the fact that practising yoga with mantras is going through the motions of Hinduism. But without the mental commitment, it seems to me that it is only going through the motions.
But without the mental commitment, it seems to me that it is only going through the motions.
~rroe
That would be true of Judaism/Christianity, it isn’t true of Islam or Hinduism.
Islam merely requires submission, and as gellen noted above, understanding and mental commitment aren’t necessary in Yogic Hinduism.
Anyone who is spiritual knows that all of our actions and practices have spiritual ramifications.
That’s why I think it’s funny when atheists practice Yoga.
LOL
Bruce
“Five Muslim men from Derby have gone on trial for allegedly handing out leaflets calling for gay people to be killed in the first ever prosecution under new legislation making such actions a hate crime.”
I suspect if you substituted cured for killed you could still have a problem in Canada. Hurt feelings and all that.
You folks are just not sensitive enough toward Jihadists and the nuances behind these leaflets.. There is hope for your re-education. Rumor has it the CBC is financing a remake of “Laurence of Arabia” that is much more sensitive to the Imam’s cause. Then perhaps you will understand more clearly about virgins and paradise. It’s coming soon to a boob tube near you.
“How does that position compare to their the prayer position?
Posted by: Liz J at January 11, 2012 4:14 PM”
Well, at least we Westerners have the Missionary Position.
This explains the reaction I got at the gym last night. A woman I know asked if I wanted to join her Yoga class. I expressed some interest, and mentioned I was also trying out some Tai Chi. I got some cold stares, and suddenly didn’t feel as welcome in the class. By God, I’m going to file a Human Rights complaint, right away. My girlfriend was looking into getting a LuluLemon outlet opened in our town, but not now! I’ll be protesting outside their door, if they dare to open here.