From the “When Saturday Comes” message board, in the UK;
Lots of detail regarding the ad campaign, too.
Just pathetic.
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Hoping for Prince Charles to wave his magic ears, I guess.
So let’s see if I’ve got this right. Rural folks voted overwhelmingly for PMSH knowing full well that the CWB would be history if he attained a majority. Yet these same people really wanted to retain the CWB but they endorsed Mr. Harper anyway because they knew that he would have to respect the outcome of a vote amongst affected farmers.
I think that “Worn Old Motorbike” is grasping at straws here. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Bad enough that the CBC is the communications department of the LPC. Now the CWB is using farmers’ money to battle Harper in the urban Liberal constituency.
I don’t see this as being within the CWB mandate of marketing my grain. But it is typical of their ineptitude and wastefulness.
Yes the Canadian Wheat Board has sure been helpful for the CULTS known as Hutterite “colonys, they have grown to the point of owning 75 % of the land in Cardston County here in southern Alberta. Sorry Mr Oberg, your reign of error is over, things will be fairer now, you stinking liberals will no longer pad your offshore accounts on the backs of Joe and Jack farmer in Oxbow and Spring Coulee, any more. Thank you Mr Ritz and Mr. Harper, these Cults er colonys will call the shots on prices of commodities if marketing boards are not done away with, Milk quotas and egg marketing boards are next, when eggs and these/milk products are less than half price in the US, time to toast the free loading, non tax paying, non healthcare paying, non small town supporting parasites known as Hutterites!
I’d be curious to know how many people in Toronto have to sell their wheat through the wheat board??!!
I’m not getting all the concern , interference and gnashing of teeth by people 2000 miles away from western Canada and some that if you had barley in one hand and the wheat in the other couldn’t tell you which was which , never mind rye from durham . Is there a little more to this than we’re being told ? Is there a market that’s cornered by eastern farmers that the cwb is staying away from an now it’s in danger from independant farmers ? Is CSL going to lose some shipping business ? Theres just too much interest and concern here from places and people that shouldn’t be all that damned concerned , seems to me .
I’m not sure to be glad that these people are desperate enough to seek help from ‘WSC’ to help them or worried that they are fanatical and tenacious enough to seek help from WSC.
Cardston County sounds like an interesting place Hutterites own 75% of the land and Mormons own the rest.
Putting bigotry aside for a moment, the CWB is so far out of line the directors should be fired immediately well right after they make personal restitution for squandering the farmer’s money advertizing in TO.
Don’t blame the Hutterites. All work and no play makes them very wealthy. Their personal pleasures seem to be limited to reading the Bible, making babies, and thev odd jug of chokecherry wine. By keeping up with the Jones’s you will never keep up with the Hofers.
Maybe someone here can set me straight, but my understanding is that it is the monopoly that is being dismantled, not the board. So either the CWB is lying or I’ve got it wrong. But the only thing I keep hearing from the government is that the farmers now have a choice, they can either continue using the board or they can try to sell independently. In other words, after legislation is passed, the board will still exist.
If the law says that the government must hold a vote of farmers, then the government can change the law so that it need not hold this vote. No problem.
As for “small independent farmers having to jockey with massive industrial farms to sell their wheat”, well, that’s how it’s done everywhere else in the world, including eastern Canada. Again, no problem.
Actually there is one problem: the entitlements of some civil servants are being pulled out from under their feet and they don’t like it one bit, so they’re stamping their feet and holding their breath until they turn blue.
johndoe124:
The intent of the legislation is to give producers the option of selling to whomever they wish. The CWB will still exist. All that will change is that CWB will no longer have a monopoly over the sale of wheat and barley. Feed wheat and feed barley can be sold without going through the CWB, but only in Canada. As it now stands any wheat and barley sales for export must go through the CWB. Also any wheat for milling,durum wheat for pasta, or barley for malting within Canada must be sold through the CWB. To hear the CWB officials and their adherants tell it the legislation is tantamount to abolishing the CWB. With the passiing of the legislation all that silliness will cease. It’s looooong overdue.
Ah, the joy of my innocent childhood spent among the wheat farmers of my mother’s family. The complete lack of concern over anything other than getting their grain to the elevator and thence to market. Never mind the complete, uncomplaining lack of concern (never mind the idea of restitution) over the fact of some members having been sent to internment camps for being citizens of the Austro-Hungarian Empire during the Great War…
Some people have guts and a work ethic, and some don’t. Some are strong, and some are weak and worthy only of pity. Some have understanding, and some are whingeing despicable cowards not fit to wash my ancestors’ gravestones. I know where my allegiance lies, and it sure as Hell isn’t with those who try to curry favour with the Eastern elitists like whipped dogs.
CWB Act – 18. (1) The Governor in Council may, by order, direct the Corporation with respect to the manner in which any of its operations, powers and duties under this Act shall be conducted, exercised or performed.
(1.2) Compliance by the Corporation with directions is deemed to be in the best interests of the Corporation.
Can’t the government just order the Wheat Board to drop the lawsuit. Too easy.
CWB Act 47.1 The Minister shall not cause to be introduced in Parliament a bill that would exclude any kind, type, class or grade of wheat or barley, or wheat or barley produced in any area in Canada, from the provisions of Part IV, either in whole or in part, or generally, or for any period, or that would extend the application of Part III or Part IV or both Parts III and IV to any other grain, unless
(a) the Minister has consulted with the board about the exclusion or extension; and
(b) the producers of the grain have voted in favour of the exclusion or extension, the voting process having been determined by the Minister.
The government is supposedly bound by this section not to delist any grains without the producer’s permission. Parliament, however, is sovereign and it would be bizarre is a court disallowed it from amending an act it created.
The government should insert a similar paragraph in the gun control legislation guaranteeing that the courts won’t touch it.
Looks like the thread is sinking like a stone on that forum, not surprisingly, Canadian agricultural politics must have rather limited appeal to the fans of British soccer. Should be a hot topic in the pubs, I know, but apparently not.
The 62% of farmers the CWB likes to use in their statements about the majority of farmers being in favour of keeping the CWB are, limited to the farmers who have the CWB permit book. If you don’t have the book you can’t vote on CWB issues or even grow wheat or barley. Where could you market them? Years back the CWB tried to put oats in the book and it got it’s balls removed, that’s why all the other crops are free to market how they want.
The Canadian Wheat Board affects people in Saskatewan, Alberta and Manatoba and is imposed by people in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. The word for that is imperialism.
Yeah, they were discussing this issue in the pub on Coronation Street in the last episode. The whole street is abuzz.
To hear the lies and BS being pumped in the committee on the CWB on CPAC, you would think Harper was loading farmers onto grain cars and shipping them all off, for the Final Solution much like the ancestors of the Socialist Parties of the BLOC/NDP/LIBERALS did in the WW2 the NAZI Party of Germany. The reason they are foaming at the mouth is because a wee wedge of Freedom is shining through the crack of the door of Liberty that Harper is forcing open on these NAZI’s.
Actually cantuc has a kernel of truth up the thread. Follow the money, how many former CWB elites have build or purchased elevators on the great lakes and are milking the farmers by handling and storing grain. The main ox that will be gored is a lot of the processing of grains will now happen on the prairies not eastern Canada. Durum wheat is a prime example. Same as flour milling. Eastern wheat does not make bread. Hard western wheat does. How much milling and processing of western wheat is done in the east?
Don’t worry about interference from the East it be met by a collective yawn and wtf?
I am sure if you tracked water usage to the timing of CWB commercials in Ontario you would find a positive correlation.
The issue means nothing out here.
Only two possible explainations
1) The target is actually dairy and egg farmers to warn them that they could be next
2) To provide funding to the CBC, through an ad buy, so that they will cover te story in the appropriate manner
cantuc of 198 grain processing or flour milling companies in Canada 133 are in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada, the remainder are spread over the 4 western Provinces. Alberta and Sask. which produce 80% of the flour/pasta/malting grains only have 35 plants between them. I wonder how many former CWB employees have companies in eastern canada now….
You lads out west have alot riding on the ending of the CWB monopoly…and I suggest you start fighting back big time and get busy with a letter writing campaign to the major urban newspapers to explain why. Not many folks in Toronto or Ottawa know that a praire wheat/barley producer can go to prison for selling his garin outside of the CWB… or the stacked deck that the CWB used to obtain the vote results of 62%. It wouldn’t hurt to touch base with MP’s either and express your views and support of ending the CWB monopoly.
It makes me sick to see producers very own money used against them with radio/print ads…but is that not the socialist way?…as well as pitting us against each other and keeping us divided.
Good luck!! and the CWB shackles can’t be cut off of ya soon enough.
cantuc and RFB nail it.
The fact that some people may feel threatened by abolition of the monopoly is outweighed by the need to restore the basic economic liberties to western cereal farmers that other citizens expect and already enjoy.
It’s too bad that the defenders of the CWB are willing to continue a system that infringes the civil rights of one group to enrich another. Naturally, the brutes’ first resort in preserving that system is a flood of lies.
Have Ralphie Goodale or Doorknob Easter from Spud Island busted a vein yet over the demise of the Wheat Board?
Like the old saying out west states. “The Cow Is Fed and Watered in the West and Milked in the East”. Lets take Durum Wheat as an example. Let’s say that the CWB is paying $6/bus. The farmer wants to make pasta on his own farm. He has 5,000 bus. stored in his own bins on his farm. He contacts the CWB and registers his intent. He now must pay the CWB their price plus transporation to point of sale plus processing. About another $4/bus for the farmers own wheat that has not left his farm. So of course he can not compete by doing value added and build his own pasta plant. So the wheat crosses the border to the USA via the CWB and US processes the wheat or it is shipped to one of the 133 mills in Ontario and Quebec to recieve the value added process. “The Cow Is Fed and Watered in the West and Milked in the East”.
It is not a case of bigotry Joe; I have good friends that are in the “colonys”, it is the fact that they pay no healthcare premiums, like my family did for years, they take their spuds and ducks to every farmers market and receive CASH, no taxes Joe, imagine that like legal drug dealing, they choke out a small town, buy no tractors or machinery locally, no they deal straight with the factory, they bring their cousins up from MT to receive the free glasses and health related things here in Leth. check the big clinic Joe, why would there be so many MT plates on vans and trucks outside. Do some homework Joe before you throw the bigot label around, last time I looked at Eli he looked the same colour as me, so bigotry seems rich
Totally untrue, hutterites deal with ag dealerships like everyone else. lots of farmers in my area are a lot larger than the colonies. they are in the same boat as the rest of us with the cwb always in our pocket spending our cash.
So are you talking business models or CULTS there bartinsky? Yes farmers sell lots of things for CASH that doesn’t mean they don’t pay taxes or healthcare premiums. Well at least when we used to pay premiums. Just the other day I bought some honey at the farmers market and I paid cash. A few years ago I used to buy farm fresh eggs from a sweet old lady farmer she since passed away. I paid cash. Back when my dear wife was delivering a child, a Hutterite woman was registering in the same hospital. She produced an Alberta Health Card just as my wife did. Don’t know how she got the card without paying the premium. Granted she probably didn’t pay her own premium the colony did that for her but her premium was paid. I also know that the Hutterites pay income taxes. A few years back on one of the colonies was seeking an exemption for the Armed Forces portion of their income taxes.
Ted High
“The 62% of farmers the CWB likes to use in their statements about the majority of farmers being in favour of keeping the CWB are, limited to the farmers who have the CWB permit book. If you don’t have the book you can’t vote on CWB issues or even grow wheat or barley…..”
And how many of the actually still grow wheat…having retired etc…
Sorta like the dead voters in Chicago…
How many voting permit book holders now reside in Ontario…I know a few…
In the US, this falls under the heading “jerry-mandering”…
the voting process having been determined by the Minister.
Not the CWB….
The poster has chosen an appropriate name. Worn out Old motorbike. Thats how I feel some days and I still support freedom. I support the young farmers that live around me, they would likely choose a name like “computer savy seller. The people who want to impose the continuation of the monopoly need to get out of the past and support the new very capable generation who are taking over from us.
With regard to Hutterites they get wealthy from several things besides hard work, all granted by our governments so we can’t blame the hutterites for taking advantage of what has been given to them.
1. They are exempt from paying CPP and EI.
2. They have a special deal regarding income tax and pay significantly less than similar sized businesses.
3. They operate under a trust and thus are exempt from Matrimonial property rights. A Hutterite woman or man who leaves the colony leaves with nothing. You would think the womans rights groups would be all over this but they are afraid to take on the “church”.
4. When Albertans paid healthcare premiums Hutterites were exempt because individually the had no income
5. For the first 50 plus years that hutterites were in Canada they operated as a church and paid no tax. That was a pretty good leg up.
Theres more.
in reply to m,
You are incorrect about a couple points (I can’t speak to the others) 1. They are exempt from paying CPP and EI.
Somewhat exempt from CPP, and exempt from EI as any other self-employed individual would be. Likely don’t pay (much) CPP as income of the colony is allocated to all members, thus lowering per person income.
In any event, if you don’t pay into CPP, you don’t get to draw out of it. 2. They have a special deal regarding income tax and pay significantly less than similar sized businesses.
This is partially true – the lower tax is obtained by allocating the income to all the members of the colony, not because of any special deal. Also means nil RRSP room, among other consequences.
The points you mention may indeed have an impact on the ability to generate wealth, but to an insignificant amount when compared to the hard work and business acumen employed by a significant portion of Canadian (specifically Western Canadian – I can’t speak for Eastern Canada) hutterite colonies.
A number of years ago I spoke to a farmer who was complaining about the Hutterites ‘owning all the land’. The Hutterite sitting beside him asked the farmer how much land he owned and how many people lived on that land. The farmer owned in the neighbourhood of 60 quarters and he, his wife, 2 sons and his hired hand did all the work. The Hutterite said that his colony owned 20 quarters and there were about 60 people living on and working that land. Long story short. The farmer has retired. He and his sons have moved off the land. The Hutterites are still there taking care of their elderly just as they have always done and the Hutterites bought some more land. Yes Hutterites dress funny and live in ways most of us wouldn’t choose to live but they are Canadians and as such have the right to live the way they choose. Their thrift and hard work are net contributors to Canada and the wealth we all enjoy including cheap food.
I have a crab apple tree and a plum tree in my yard . I have asked , begged , offered money for somebody to pick them . Some Hutterites stopped by and they were more than happy to pick them . They got about 8 or 10 sacks in a bit over half an hour They had a bunch already , but they weren’t too proud to be seen picking them and miracuously none got stung by the wasps . Thing is , if you bought the jam or whatver in a store , you’d be looking at a few hundred bucks . They got it for a few hours work and my trees are clean . I’m kinda glad Wayne Easter and that other slimeball Pat Martin didn’t drive by haul us up against the fruit pickers of Nova Scotia’s grievance board but …. hey , theres a lot of Hutterites named Martin .
Thank you for setting the record straight Joe,to some of those
Ignorant comments about Hutterites.
Thanks Skite and Joe for knocking away at the ignorant comments on Hutterites. It’s one thing to disagree or find fault with their way of life, quite another to spread half-truths and deceitful misinformation about them.
There is, as far as I know, only one group of Canadian citizens who have any particular legal “advantage” when it comes to taxes: those aboriginal peoples with certain status rights.
To return to the main subject:
“The government is supposedly bound by this section not to delist any grains without the producer’s permission. Parliament, however, is sovereign and it would be bizarre is a court disallowed it from amending an act it created.”
Well, exactly. The only limitation on Parliament is that it cannot act unconstitutionally.
And I looked and looked, but I found no mention of the Canadian Wheat Board in the Canadian Constitution.
Nothing about the CBC in there either.
Huh.
The CWB is fighting hard, but in a way which would only work if the Conservatives were in a minority position.
As most of the CWB seem to be bureaucrats, their campaign is extremely foolish.
When the CWB is gone, its former employees are going to receive a very cold welcome from their favorite boss.
I’m a prairie grain farm refugee. Abolition of the CWB is a great thing and long overdue. Thank goodness it’s finally over.
Harper really had no choice on this one. If the CWB were still around at the next federal election, the conservative base would be staying away from polling stations. Same goes for the long gun registry. It’s good stuff and I’m thankful, but much more is needed to prevent a reversal when the left inevitably gets their turn in power again.
How about we trim about a million from the 3.6 million strong public sector for starters?
CWB seem to be restricted to Western farmers and not restricted to doorknob’s Easter’s hometown NB nor is it good enough for Quebec or Ontario.
I find amusing that the quebec mps rant daily for western farmers and not for their own.
I guess western farmers are only CANADIANS to belong to the CWB.
I have seen and heard these CWB propaganda messges. They are aimed at suburbanites in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. They make appeal to a mythical Canadian farmer battling evil Americans. In fact, Easterners would not understand the problem of Westerner because the CWB only tells Western farmers what to do, ot Eastern farmers.
They do not mention such things that the CWB is the imperial subjugation of Western Canada agriculture by the Eastern Canadian establishment/
Hutterites are liable for income tax. They just don’t make all that much money. Income is split among all adult members and taxed in their individual hands. They look wealthy so why don’t they pay tax. Because their living costs are next to nothing because personal entertainment is a sin. Past some groceries, cloth for clothes, and a few other things everything is business and tax deductable. They have no cars, quads, boats, televisions and other toys. They do, however, have really nice tractors. They pay no CPP but they collect no CPP.
That’s rich….freeloading welfare bum parasite bartinsky whining about hutterites. Is there anything dumber than a small dead tea baggin’ farmer?
bartinsky evidently has the misfortune of knowing hutterites close up and personal. A hutterite colony is like the CWB; looks like a great outfit from a distance. However, neither organization is true to its foundation nor to its current claims.
The local colony is home to some of my best friends. It is also controlled by a mafioso minority that readily embraces insurance fraud, theft and arson. The young guns smoke dope and drink but know they’re secure as long as they’re on hand to carry out the dirty work for the minister.
This is not a thread about Hutterite colonies.
I’m a suburbanite living in the Vancouver area, and know little about farming. But, the fact eastern liberals did nothing to advocate CWB membership for eastern provinces told me all I needed to know. If it was such a bloody good arrangement, eastern farmers and politicians would have been clamoring to extend the board’s mandate into eastern provinces. They never did — funny that.
Something stunk to high heaven regarding the CWB, and I see revoking its monopoly status as a good move by the Tories.
Hoping for Prince Charles to wave his magic ears, I guess.
So let’s see if I’ve got this right. Rural folks voted overwhelmingly for PMSH knowing full well that the CWB would be history if he attained a majority. Yet these same people really wanted to retain the CWB but they endorsed Mr. Harper anyway because they knew that he would have to respect the outcome of a vote amongst affected farmers.
I think that “Worn Old Motorbike” is grasping at straws here. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Bad enough that the CBC is the communications department of the LPC. Now the CWB is using farmers’ money to battle Harper in the urban Liberal constituency.
I don’t see this as being within the CWB mandate of marketing my grain. But it is typical of their ineptitude and wastefulness.
Yes the Canadian Wheat Board has sure been helpful for the CULTS known as Hutterite “colonys, they have grown to the point of owning 75 % of the land in Cardston County here in southern Alberta. Sorry Mr Oberg, your reign of error is over, things will be fairer now, you stinking liberals will no longer pad your offshore accounts on the backs of Joe and Jack farmer in Oxbow and Spring Coulee, any more. Thank you Mr Ritz and Mr. Harper, these Cults er colonys will call the shots on prices of commodities if marketing boards are not done away with, Milk quotas and egg marketing boards are next, when eggs and these/milk products are less than half price in the US, time to toast the free loading, non tax paying, non healthcare paying, non small town supporting parasites known as Hutterites!
I’d be curious to know how many people in Toronto have to sell their wheat through the wheat board??!!
I’m not getting all the concern , interference and gnashing of teeth by people 2000 miles away from western Canada and some that if you had barley in one hand and the wheat in the other couldn’t tell you which was which , never mind rye from durham . Is there a little more to this than we’re being told ? Is there a market that’s cornered by eastern farmers that the cwb is staying away from an now it’s in danger from independant farmers ? Is CSL going to lose some shipping business ? Theres just too much interest and concern here from places and people that shouldn’t be all that damned concerned , seems to me .
I’m not sure to be glad that these people are desperate enough to seek help from ‘WSC’ to help them or worried that they are fanatical and tenacious enough to seek help from WSC.
Cardston County sounds like an interesting place Hutterites own 75% of the land and Mormons own the rest.
Putting bigotry aside for a moment, the CWB is so far out of line the directors should be fired immediately well right after they make personal restitution for squandering the farmer’s money advertizing in TO.
Don’t blame the Hutterites. All work and no play makes them very wealthy. Their personal pleasures seem to be limited to reading the Bible, making babies, and thev odd jug of chokecherry wine. By keeping up with the Jones’s you will never keep up with the Hofers.
Maybe someone here can set me straight, but my understanding is that it is the monopoly that is being dismantled, not the board. So either the CWB is lying or I’ve got it wrong. But the only thing I keep hearing from the government is that the farmers now have a choice, they can either continue using the board or they can try to sell independently. In other words, after legislation is passed, the board will still exist.
If the law says that the government must hold a vote of farmers, then the government can change the law so that it need not hold this vote. No problem.
As for “small independent farmers having to jockey with massive industrial farms to sell their wheat”, well, that’s how it’s done everywhere else in the world, including eastern Canada. Again, no problem.
Actually there is one problem: the entitlements of some civil servants are being pulled out from under their feet and they don’t like it one bit, so they’re stamping their feet and holding their breath until they turn blue.
johndoe124:
The intent of the legislation is to give producers the option of selling to whomever they wish. The CWB will still exist. All that will change is that CWB will no longer have a monopoly over the sale of wheat and barley. Feed wheat and feed barley can be sold without going through the CWB, but only in Canada. As it now stands any wheat and barley sales for export must go through the CWB. Also any wheat for milling,durum wheat for pasta, or barley for malting within Canada must be sold through the CWB. To hear the CWB officials and their adherants tell it the legislation is tantamount to abolishing the CWB. With the passiing of the legislation all that silliness will cease. It’s looooong overdue.
Ah, the joy of my innocent childhood spent among the wheat farmers of my mother’s family. The complete lack of concern over anything other than getting their grain to the elevator and thence to market. Never mind the complete, uncomplaining lack of concern (never mind the idea of restitution) over the fact of some members having been sent to internment camps for being citizens of the Austro-Hungarian Empire during the Great War…
Some people have guts and a work ethic, and some don’t. Some are strong, and some are weak and worthy only of pity. Some have understanding, and some are whingeing despicable cowards not fit to wash my ancestors’ gravestones. I know where my allegiance lies, and it sure as Hell isn’t with those who try to curry favour with the Eastern elitists like whipped dogs.
CWB Act – 18. (1) The Governor in Council may, by order, direct the Corporation with respect to the manner in which any of its operations, powers and duties under this Act shall be conducted, exercised or performed.
(1.2) Compliance by the Corporation with directions is deemed to be in the best interests of the Corporation.
Can’t the government just order the Wheat Board to drop the lawsuit. Too easy.
And here’s my favorite UK football commentator!
CWB Act 47.1 The Minister shall not cause to be introduced in Parliament a bill that would exclude any kind, type, class or grade of wheat or barley, or wheat or barley produced in any area in Canada, from the provisions of Part IV, either in whole or in part, or generally, or for any period, or that would extend the application of Part III or Part IV or both Parts III and IV to any other grain, unless
(a) the Minister has consulted with the board about the exclusion or extension; and
(b) the producers of the grain have voted in favour of the exclusion or extension, the voting process having been determined by the Minister.
The government is supposedly bound by this section not to delist any grains without the producer’s permission. Parliament, however, is sovereign and it would be bizarre is a court disallowed it from amending an act it created.
The government should insert a similar paragraph in the gun control legislation guaranteeing that the courts won’t touch it.
Looks like the thread is sinking like a stone on that forum, not surprisingly, Canadian agricultural politics must have rather limited appeal to the fans of British soccer. Should be a hot topic in the pubs, I know, but apparently not.
The 62% of farmers the CWB likes to use in their statements about the majority of farmers being in favour of keeping the CWB are, limited to the farmers who have the CWB permit book. If you don’t have the book you can’t vote on CWB issues or even grow wheat or barley. Where could you market them? Years back the CWB tried to put oats in the book and it got it’s balls removed, that’s why all the other crops are free to market how they want.
The Canadian Wheat Board affects people in Saskatewan, Alberta and Manatoba and is imposed by people in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. The word for that is imperialism.
Yeah, they were discussing this issue in the pub on Coronation Street in the last episode. The whole street is abuzz.
To hear the lies and BS being pumped in the committee on the CWB on CPAC, you would think Harper was loading farmers onto grain cars and shipping them all off, for the Final Solution much like the ancestors of the Socialist Parties of the BLOC/NDP/LIBERALS did in the WW2 the NAZI Party of Germany. The reason they are foaming at the mouth is because a wee wedge of Freedom is shining through the crack of the door of Liberty that Harper is forcing open on these NAZI’s.
Hey CWB PEOPLE!!
I havea message for you from the eagles!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac
SUCK MY FAT ONE!!!
Actually cantuc has a kernel of truth up the thread. Follow the money, how many former CWB elites have build or purchased elevators on the great lakes and are milking the farmers by handling and storing grain. The main ox that will be gored is a lot of the processing of grains will now happen on the prairies not eastern Canada. Durum wheat is a prime example. Same as flour milling. Eastern wheat does not make bread. Hard western wheat does. How much milling and processing of western wheat is done in the east?
Don’t worry about interference from the East it be met by a collective yawn and wtf?
I am sure if you tracked water usage to the timing of CWB commercials in Ontario you would find a positive correlation.
The issue means nothing out here.
Only two possible explainations
1) The target is actually dairy and egg farmers to warn them that they could be next
2) To provide funding to the CBC, through an ad buy, so that they will cover te story in the appropriate manner
cantuc of 198 grain processing or flour milling companies in Canada 133 are in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada, the remainder are spread over the 4 western Provinces. Alberta and Sask. which produce 80% of the flour/pasta/malting grains only have 35 plants between them. I wonder how many former CWB employees have companies in eastern canada now….
You lads out west have alot riding on the ending of the CWB monopoly…and I suggest you start fighting back big time and get busy with a letter writing campaign to the major urban newspapers to explain why. Not many folks in Toronto or Ottawa know that a praire wheat/barley producer can go to prison for selling his garin outside of the CWB… or the stacked deck that the CWB used to obtain the vote results of 62%. It wouldn’t hurt to touch base with MP’s either and express your views and support of ending the CWB monopoly.
It makes me sick to see producers very own money used against them with radio/print ads…but is that not the socialist way?…as well as pitting us against each other and keeping us divided.
Good luck!! and the CWB shackles can’t be cut off of ya soon enough.
cantuc and RFB nail it.
The fact that some people may feel threatened by abolition of the monopoly is outweighed by the need to restore the basic economic liberties to western cereal farmers that other citizens expect and already enjoy.
It’s too bad that the defenders of the CWB are willing to continue a system that infringes the civil rights of one group to enrich another. Naturally, the brutes’ first resort in preserving that system is a flood of lies.
Have Ralphie Goodale or Doorknob Easter from Spud Island busted a vein yet over the demise of the Wheat Board?
Like the old saying out west states. “The Cow Is Fed and Watered in the West and Milked in the East”. Lets take Durum Wheat as an example. Let’s say that the CWB is paying $6/bus. The farmer wants to make pasta on his own farm. He has 5,000 bus. stored in his own bins on his farm. He contacts the CWB and registers his intent. He now must pay the CWB their price plus transporation to point of sale plus processing. About another $4/bus for the farmers own wheat that has not left his farm. So of course he can not compete by doing value added and build his own pasta plant. So the wheat crosses the border to the USA via the CWB and US processes the wheat or it is shipped to one of the 133 mills in Ontario and Quebec to recieve the value added process. “The Cow Is Fed and Watered in the West and Milked in the East”.
It is not a case of bigotry Joe; I have good friends that are in the “colonys”, it is the fact that they pay no healthcare premiums, like my family did for years, they take their spuds and ducks to every farmers market and receive CASH, no taxes Joe, imagine that like legal drug dealing, they choke out a small town, buy no tractors or machinery locally, no they deal straight with the factory, they bring their cousins up from MT to receive the free glasses and health related things here in Leth. check the big clinic Joe, why would there be so many MT plates on vans and trucks outside. Do some homework Joe before you throw the bigot label around, last time I looked at Eli he looked the same colour as me, so bigotry seems rich
Totally untrue, hutterites deal with ag dealerships like everyone else. lots of farmers in my area are a lot larger than the colonies. they are in the same boat as the rest of us with the cwb always in our pocket spending our cash.
So are you talking business models or CULTS there bartinsky? Yes farmers sell lots of things for CASH that doesn’t mean they don’t pay taxes or healthcare premiums. Well at least when we used to pay premiums. Just the other day I bought some honey at the farmers market and I paid cash. A few years ago I used to buy farm fresh eggs from a sweet old lady farmer she since passed away. I paid cash. Back when my dear wife was delivering a child, a Hutterite woman was registering in the same hospital. She produced an Alberta Health Card just as my wife did. Don’t know how she got the card without paying the premium. Granted she probably didn’t pay her own premium the colony did that for her but her premium was paid. I also know that the Hutterites pay income taxes. A few years back on one of the colonies was seeking an exemption for the Armed Forces portion of their income taxes.
Ted High
“The 62% of farmers the CWB likes to use in their statements about the majority of farmers being in favour of keeping the CWB are, limited to the farmers who have the CWB permit book. If you don’t have the book you can’t vote on CWB issues or even grow wheat or barley…..”
And how many of the actually still grow wheat…having retired etc…
Sorta like the dead voters in Chicago…
How many voting permit book holders now reside in Ontario…I know a few…
In the US, this falls under the heading “jerry-mandering”…
the voting process having been determined by the Minister.
Not the CWB….
The poster has chosen an appropriate name. Worn out Old motorbike. Thats how I feel some days and I still support freedom. I support the young farmers that live around me, they would likely choose a name like “computer savy seller. The people who want to impose the continuation of the monopoly need to get out of the past and support the new very capable generation who are taking over from us.
With regard to Hutterites they get wealthy from several things besides hard work, all granted by our governments so we can’t blame the hutterites for taking advantage of what has been given to them.
1. They are exempt from paying CPP and EI.
2. They have a special deal regarding income tax and pay significantly less than similar sized businesses.
3. They operate under a trust and thus are exempt from Matrimonial property rights. A Hutterite woman or man who leaves the colony leaves with nothing. You would think the womans rights groups would be all over this but they are afraid to take on the “church”.
4. When Albertans paid healthcare premiums Hutterites were exempt because individually the had no income
5. For the first 50 plus years that hutterites were in Canada they operated as a church and paid no tax. That was a pretty good leg up.
Theres more.
in reply to m,
You are incorrect about a couple points (I can’t speak to the others)
1. They are exempt from paying CPP and EI.
Somewhat exempt from CPP, and exempt from EI as any other self-employed individual would be. Likely don’t pay (much) CPP as income of the colony is allocated to all members, thus lowering per person income.
In any event, if you don’t pay into CPP, you don’t get to draw out of it.
2. They have a special deal regarding income tax and pay significantly less than similar sized businesses.
This is partially true – the lower tax is obtained by allocating the income to all the members of the colony, not because of any special deal. Also means nil RRSP room, among other consequences.
The points you mention may indeed have an impact on the ability to generate wealth, but to an insignificant amount when compared to the hard work and business acumen employed by a significant portion of Canadian (specifically Western Canadian – I can’t speak for Eastern Canada) hutterite colonies.
A number of years ago I spoke to a farmer who was complaining about the Hutterites ‘owning all the land’. The Hutterite sitting beside him asked the farmer how much land he owned and how many people lived on that land. The farmer owned in the neighbourhood of 60 quarters and he, his wife, 2 sons and his hired hand did all the work. The Hutterite said that his colony owned 20 quarters and there were about 60 people living on and working that land. Long story short. The farmer has retired. He and his sons have moved off the land. The Hutterites are still there taking care of their elderly just as they have always done and the Hutterites bought some more land. Yes Hutterites dress funny and live in ways most of us wouldn’t choose to live but they are Canadians and as such have the right to live the way they choose. Their thrift and hard work are net contributors to Canada and the wealth we all enjoy including cheap food.
I have a crab apple tree and a plum tree in my yard . I have asked , begged , offered money for somebody to pick them . Some Hutterites stopped by and they were more than happy to pick them . They got about 8 or 10 sacks in a bit over half an hour They had a bunch already , but they weren’t too proud to be seen picking them and miracuously none got stung by the wasps . Thing is , if you bought the jam or whatver in a store , you’d be looking at a few hundred bucks . They got it for a few hours work and my trees are clean . I’m kinda glad Wayne Easter and that other slimeball Pat Martin didn’t drive by haul us up against the fruit pickers of Nova Scotia’s grievance board but …. hey , theres a lot of Hutterites named Martin .
Thank you for setting the record straight Joe,to some of those
Ignorant comments about Hutterites.
Thanks Skite and Joe for knocking away at the ignorant comments on Hutterites. It’s one thing to disagree or find fault with their way of life, quite another to spread half-truths and deceitful misinformation about them.
There is, as far as I know, only one group of Canadian citizens who have any particular legal “advantage” when it comes to taxes: those aboriginal peoples with certain status rights.
To return to the main subject:
“The government is supposedly bound by this section not to delist any grains without the producer’s permission. Parliament, however, is sovereign and it would be bizarre is a court disallowed it from amending an act it created.”
Well, exactly. The only limitation on Parliament is that it cannot act unconstitutionally.
And I looked and looked, but I found no mention of the Canadian Wheat Board in the Canadian Constitution.
Nothing about the CBC in there either.
Huh.
The CWB is fighting hard, but in a way which would only work if the Conservatives were in a minority position.
As most of the CWB seem to be bureaucrats, their campaign is extremely foolish.
When the CWB is gone, its former employees are going to receive a very cold welcome from their favorite boss.
I’m a prairie grain farm refugee. Abolition of the CWB is a great thing and long overdue. Thank goodness it’s finally over.
Harper really had no choice on this one. If the CWB were still around at the next federal election, the conservative base would be staying away from polling stations. Same goes for the long gun registry. It’s good stuff and I’m thankful, but much more is needed to prevent a reversal when the left inevitably gets their turn in power again.
How about we trim about a million from the 3.6 million strong public sector for starters?
CWB seem to be restricted to Western farmers and not restricted to doorknob’s Easter’s hometown NB nor is it good enough for Quebec or Ontario.
I find amusing that the quebec mps rant daily for western farmers and not for their own.
I guess western farmers are only CANADIANS to belong to the CWB.
I have seen and heard these CWB propaganda messges. They are aimed at suburbanites in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. They make appeal to a mythical Canadian farmer battling evil Americans. In fact, Easterners would not understand the problem of Westerner because the CWB only tells Western farmers what to do, ot Eastern farmers.
They do not mention such things that the CWB is the imperial subjugation of Western Canada agriculture by the Eastern Canadian establishment/
Hutterites are liable for income tax. They just don’t make all that much money. Income is split among all adult members and taxed in their individual hands. They look wealthy so why don’t they pay tax. Because their living costs are next to nothing because personal entertainment is a sin. Past some groceries, cloth for clothes, and a few other things everything is business and tax deductable. They have no cars, quads, boats, televisions and other toys. They do, however, have really nice tractors. They pay no CPP but they collect no CPP.
That’s rich….freeloading welfare bum parasite bartinsky whining about hutterites. Is there anything dumber than a small dead tea baggin’ farmer?
bartinsky evidently has the misfortune of knowing hutterites close up and personal. A hutterite colony is like the CWB; looks like a great outfit from a distance. However, neither organization is true to its foundation nor to its current claims.
The local colony is home to some of my best friends. It is also controlled by a mafioso minority that readily embraces insurance fraud, theft and arson. The young guns smoke dope and drink but know they’re secure as long as they’re on hand to carry out the dirty work for the minister.
This is not a thread about Hutterite colonies.
I’m a suburbanite living in the Vancouver area, and know little about farming. But, the fact eastern liberals did nothing to advocate CWB membership for eastern provinces told me all I needed to know. If it was such a bloody good arrangement, eastern farmers and politicians would have been clamoring to extend the board’s mandate into eastern provinces. They never did — funny that.
Something stunk to high heaven regarding the CWB, and I see revoking its monopoly status as a good move by the Tories.