“I would therefore agree with the suggestion that in the future, our concern in this area is most appropriately directed at any employer who would even insinuate that someone with Mr. Chen’s extraordinary record of academic success might be somehow unqualified for work in a corporate law firm, or that such success might be somehow undeserved.”
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h/t Marina
English is not on the curriculum anywhere in Kenya….
Almost anything is bettrer than the current Manchurian president, the Soros owned office temp.
Not sure yet about Perry. I still like what Cain is saying, and team him up with Bachman, Rubio, Christie, or Palin?
Many choices remain.
But NO Rino’s!
Google Michelle Obama’s Princeton (good school, right?) thesis. She can’t write coherently in English either, unless she’s learned since.
Oh, and re. Perry, Shaidle was prophetic yet again. “Dominionism”! Perry, Bachmann… they want to institute a theocracy based on a “movement” all the lefties are suddenly claiming they heard of years ago, but which noone else ever did.
Just confirms my opinion that Obozo was the first US affirmative action president. Those of us who warned against affirmative action have been vindicated as this is one of the worst possible results. Still unclear if Obozo is going to be the worst or second worst US president after Lincoln.
In one of my posts I speculated that Obozo might have an IQ one standard deviation above the US black average, but his writing gives me reason to doubt that. In IQ tests US blacks score highest in verbal ability. I’m amazed that the wikileaks crowd hasn’t leaked Obozo’s Harvard transcripts or results of his IQ tests. Given the damage this information could cause to his presidency, I suspect that the ICBM launch codes are easier to get access to.
Interesting how one of the hot MSM items in the Bush/Kerry race was which candidate had the highest IQ and university transcipts of both men were made available to the media. I’m curious why, in the case of someone who is black, speculation about their IQ is prohibited. I’m sure Perry has a higher IQ than BO just based on statistics alone.
One of the scariest movies I recall seeing was Being There. I used to wake up in a cold sweat some nights thinking that someone like Chauncy Gardner could become POTUS. Now, I’d be quite happy to see him as president – reality always seems to turn out worse than fantasy.
Resist we much.
Being stupid has never disqualified anyone from being POTUS.
“Resist we much.”
Posted by: SolidFPlus at August 30, 2011 2:24 AM
LOL! Sharptongue!
For those who are interested in seeing the depth of intellectual scholarship demonstrated by another affirmative action student, Michelle Robinson (the future Mrs. Obozo), links to her thesis can be found at:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
Her BA thesis had a grand total of 8 references and shows up her inability to write, think coherently and obsession with race. While one has to keep in mind that her area of study was sociology, I know what kind of university mark I would have gotten on a thesis written as poorly. Interestingly, the university refused to allow access to her BA thesis until after the 2008 presidential election. I guess if BO’s university transcripts suddenly become available he’s been thrown under the bus by his handlers.
“I guess if BO’s university transcripts suddenly become available he’s been thrown under the bus by his handlers.”
Yep, and *especially* if Obama is challenged in the primary for the Democrats.
I think Obama is getting better, though — he hit a 5-iron almost 120 yards the other day.
I don’t think Governor Perry is too stupid to be President, but the electorate may be too stupid to elect him – it’s the same electorate that was stupid enough to elect President Obama.
Hi Kate,
Since you’ve never experienced any time in academia and likely never will (online MENSA tests don’t have much weight with entrance requirements people), I don’t think your position on these matters is informed in any. As such, you may as well not post about it. There’s really only so much air brush artists can offer to issues of higher intellect.
Thanks, (BTW, U of S allows relatively easy entrance to unclassified studies…maybe start there, then come back?)
Some day you’ll have a post secondary education, well probably not, but do enjoy your own little ignorant world in its absence.
ta ta.
Steve.
Steve
Yes.
Steve, I usually don’t respond to trolls as it helps make them go away, but you appear to be someone who’s got far too inflated an idea of the value of a post-secondary education. What Kate has done is to provide a forum for Libertarians and Conservatives and while Kate runs SDA, the site seems to have taken on a life of its own. Kate seems to have a unique ability to come up with topics for discussion and this site has attracted quite a diverse group of people with surprising expertise.
Having personally been in academia for a while, I find I now far prefer the company of people who may have little formal education but are far wiser than the majority of academics that I’ve known. It took me a while to learn that education and wisdom were very loosely correlated. Most of the very highly educated people I knew were experts in a very tiny area of science and assumed that their expertise in that area made them automatically experts in everything else. For a group of individuals who preached about freedom of inquiry, they were some of the most conformist and close minded people politically that I’ve ever known. I understand the situation has gotten much worse since I left academia over 20 years ago.
You seem to be the type of person who equates the possession of a university degree with knowledge – that is credentialism and is present in a particularly virulent form in our society now. The result of credentialism is that the true value of a university education has been drastically diminished as hundreds of thousands of junk degrees are awarded yearly. You don’t seem to understand that people can learn far more on their own than someone who just learns enough to regurgitate the right answers on a trivially easy exam. In the US affirmative action has diluted the value of a university degree even more.
Those of us who have spent time in academia do post our experiences on SDA and it’s not something I recommend to young people. If someone has an interest in science or engineering, then I do encourage them but as far as art degrees go, I suggest to kids that they learn a trade and then take courses in areas that interest them in the evenings. Most of the young patients I see with arts degrees are waiting tables, working in warehouses or, if they’re really ambitious, making a good living as laborers in Fort McMurray with free flights back to the BC interior every couple of weeks.
I find it amusing that I wouldn’t be able to get a job now in the computer field even with 40 years of programming and electronics experience, an area that I learned by self study and on the job. When I started out as a programmer, it was experience that counted, not credentials. Now, unfortunately, credentialism has overtaken this field also. Once the education bubble bursts, maybe a university degree will again be worthy of some respect.
/rant off
Steve 4:20. Thank you for demonstrating your command of the English language.
It is common to call someone “stupid” in politics, when you are actually worried that he/she may be coming on strong in the polls.
Hmmmm . . . makes me want to go back to school and get a B.A. majoring in Steve.
I could write my thesis on Variations of “Would You Like Fries With That Order”.
Because with a Steve B.A., I would be qualified.
Ive been called stupid my whole life.
by parents, teachers, bosses, siblings (ooooh ya), strangers and more.
curiously Im the guy who has successfully done everything from derivitives software, teaching @ private school and building decks and fences. hint: how do you get EVERY post in a deck located within 1/8″? you hang the beams and perimeter deck boards off scrap 2X4s pounded in the ground and drill the holes in the ground according to where the beams are. not the other way around. it even aids the client in picturing the final result so as to make any modifications at the easiest time to do so. I also figured out a way to NEVER hit rebar when drilling thru reinforced concrete. its called a stud finder.
anyway, Im the stupid guy with enough cash to retire WAAAAY before avg age, got my own place and am returning to university next month to butt heads with the 20something know-it-alls.
your apparent IQ is determined by the guy at the keyboard end of the teleprompter
Having a university degree means you’re smart like dancing at the Bolshoi means you’re a pig farmer. What matters is RESULTS!!!! As one who went through academia to get where I wanted to be I can honestly say the first thing I had to do was ‘unlearn’ all the crap that fascinated the pointy heads but served no purpose in the real world. On the other hand a young man I know is an electrical genius. He was running the best highline crew in Alberta about the time he should have been graduating high school. Tangible, result based records proved over an over again that this kid was the best lineman and foreman that the company had on its payroll. Then some university graduate decided that the foremen all had to pass a written exam. My friend now owns his own fleet of trucks and the electrical company lost productivity and problem solving ability. Their record has suffered and as a result they have been passed over for contracts my friends ability used to get them.
As for Oblamebush and his academic record I don’t care. His record as POTUS is sufficient to show me he is in way way way over his head and should be fired immediately. The same criteria applies to Perry who’s proven track record of steering a state through tough economic times is solid enough to promote him to POTUS.
Dear trolls, it doesn’t require a degree to point and laugh at buffoons.
However since I have two, for all the good they’ve done me, I have to say that any paper I wrote which contained the errors to be found in Obama’s letter would have been mercilessly red-inked.
How come Barry gets a pass, boys? Racism?
Perry is the global finance oligarchy’s dark horse in the race. He was vetted by the transnational elite at the Bilderberg conference 2 years ago. Immediately after landing in the US he announced (actually made a pledge to Texans) that he would NOT seek federal office if re-elected governor – uh huh. So much for Perry’s word and integrity. He’s the purchased water boy for the transnational finance.
Perry follows the pattern of a long line of presidential and international leadership candidates in being sponsored as the finance establishment’s approved candidate through the official vetting process at a Bilderberg meeting. Before him it was Clinton, Obama, Bush senior, Tony Blair, Paul Martin, Gordon Brown and others. The Bilderberg’s have a 90% success rate of getting their candidates installed. Lately they have been hedging their bets in US elections by having a candidate in both camps.
Perry’s antics are obvious. Ron Paul was by far the populist candidate so Perry becomes Ron Paul. There is nothing this ambitious hack will not do to get POTUS power (well actually, he wants the perks of office as the policy power will fall to his bosses- as it did with Obama).
Rick Perry will oversee whatever the internationalists in The Hague have planned for the US – whether that is to collapse its dollar and economy and accept the new IMF dollar as US tender or to sign onto a bunch of international sovereignty destroying climate change co-dependence deals with the 2nd and 3rd world Americas. Perry is a total sociopath (like Obama) so he will sell ut his nation to international interests with no guilt or regrets – all that matters is getting the prestige, the perks and the women.
BTW: Don’t go calling Bilderberg influence peddling a “conspiracy” it’s been going on for a long time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
“Before I couldn’t spel engineer, now I are one.”
I think loki covered all the major points. Any more would be superfluous.
Thanks Loki – we all needed that. Those of us with credentials who are active in our discipline outside the cloistered bubble of academia, know exactly what you mean when you talk of indiscriminate “credentialism” demeaning the value of an education in the precise sciences. Look at your local University calendar this fall and count all the credited “science” courses which have no scientific discipline what so ever.
Any unreasoning droid with memory capacity that can regurgitate exactly what his pseudo-science indoctrinator wants to read can attain a degree these days.
Arts degree grads working for minimum wage serving trades people making four times minimum.
But the flakes still think time spent in artsy fartsy academia is worth it because they are “intellectuals”.
Hey, they’re just asking questions, see?
Kinda like Alec Baldwin.
I have no idea why Obamba would spend nearly 2 Million of his (personal) hard earned loot too suppress his birth certificate AND Harvard academic records.
Psychopaths and sociopaths quite often score higher than average in IQ tests.
That said, the results of an intensive Myers-Briggs personality test would be more a far more reliable indicator of an aspiring politician’s real motives.
Affirmative action all the way to the Oval office.
steve- could you explain the meaning of the sentence that you wrote:
“I don’t think your position on these matters is informed in any.”
And, you’ve inserted several ad hominem arguments in your post. Surely, since you must have at least one academic degree, you must know that these are fallacies and have no informational content or logical ability to contribute to an argument! Why are you using them?
One of them is both ad hominem and ad ignorantiam – “There’s really only so much air brush artists can offer to issues of higher intellect.” How could someone, of presumed higher intellect, use such fallacies?
Are you seriously concluding that ONLY IF X person has a post-secondary degree, THEN they are ‘not ignorant’? Could you provide some statistical evidence correlating the two?
By the way, you also ought to define your terms, if you want to engage in a robust critical argument. What does ‘ignorance’ refer to? Does it refer to the ability to use the English language? What does ‘higher intellect’ refer to? Surely your inability to develop a factual and logical argument without the use of informal fallacies suggests that you aren’t using that term correctly.
occam – I consider your outline of Bilderberg ‘influence’ your own conspiracy theory.
I have no problem with and support world leaders meeting at, eg, Bilderberg. Harper goes – what’s wrong with that? But to move from a set of meetings where leaders discuss current global situations to suggesting that they all conspire to insert selected candidates as national leaders …I think that’s moved beyond fact into fiction.
Oh, and your opinion that Perry is ‘a sociopath’, whew – what’s your evidence? Indeed, what’s your evidence for all the claims you made in your comment?
Steve tosses a tiny little stink bomb and then runs for the hills. Very courageous of him.
The whole debate about university education is silly. I know people with no university education who are damn good at what they do, and who know the world better than most. I also know people with a university education who are damn good at what they do.
The other thing I have observed is that intelligent people without a university education respect those with one, and vice versa.
And finally when I refer to a university education I am referring to something useful, not a degree in woman’s studies.
Perry is no W.
Romney and the establishment will neuter him, the middle will open up.
My money is on Palin (Potus)-Gilliani (Veep)
It has been said on this site before, and some of the comments on the linked article allude to it, but the real danger is not in a president who is unable to think clearly enough to construct a sentence. It is a public that would elect him, with no critical or honest examination, merely because of an image presented to them. As someone has said, “America can survive Obama. It may not be able to survive the populace that elected him.”
As they say in the NDP, “Quelle surprise!”
ET is right about Bilderberg.
I automatically dismiss out of hand all folks who speak darkly about the dark goings on at Bilderberg. Which, of course, is not to suggest that there isn’t a quasi-criminal bank/pol oligarchial (sp?) elite running the world … into the ground.
Just not conspirationally!
Well he’s smart enough to set up a massive corporatist wealth transfer fund in Texas and then get his party and himself rich on it. So I guess he’s not ‘dumb’ per se.
me no dhimmi – what bothers me, is the suggestion that world leaders should NOT meet and discuss economic, security, fiscal, water, agricultural etc issues.
We are a globally networked planet. To even consider that nations on this planet should remain informationally isolate from each other, when their economies and geography and climate are interconnected, makes no sense to me.
As for your ‘elite’ running the world – no, this is no different from the various oligarchical sets from the Borgias to the mafias, the gangs, the whatever. The criminal economy has always been with us and always will be – despite the utterly naive views of the utopians..from the Sharia Fundamentalists, to the Communist Totalitarians to the Politically-Correct Acadmic Sophists in the Sociology Depts.
ET at August 30, 2011 11:55 AM
That was beautiful – well organized and logical. Too bad the person it was aimed at will most likely not take the time to read it and, perhaps, rethink some of his position or at least take notes on how to improve his debating skills.
RE: Is Perry Stupid?
We don’t know yet. I’m inclined to think not based on his ability to run a state – a state that is doing well in spite of the current economic mess most of the rest of the country is experiencing. However, my understanding is that Texas state government is set up in a way that makes it difficult for politicians to stick their fingers where they don’t belong (I don’t live in Texas, unfortunately, so perhaps some of the Texas commenters can confirm or deny this). Perry may just be the beneficiary of a well-thought-out state constitution. We’ll have to hear more from him in order to judge.
Remember, with the Media the formula is ALWAYS Republicans = stupid and Democrats = super scary smart. ALWAYS! The only variation they take is when they have a surrogate Republican that they can call stupid (e.g., Sarah Palin was the stupid one, not McCain and Dan Quail, not Bush Sr.). Even when the Media destroyed Hillary Clinton in order to bring Obama forward, I don’t remember that it was because Hillary wasn’t still the smartest woman in the world. Based on the Media’s judgment of who is dumb and who is smart, I’m willing to give Perry the benefit of the doubt.
I agree, ET.
I must confess to my own spot of utopianism, being a libertarian.
I had an epiphany on this once while reading the great Ludwig von Mises. He was wont to observe that if the government could be shown that its policies would not achieve what they were aiming for, progress could be made on the free market front.
And then, as they say, it hit me.
Ludwig, Ludwig, Ludwig, they aren’t actually aiming for the beneficial policies to which you refer; toward the betterment of the overall economy. Interests, my good man, INTERESTS.
Some days I feel like that beauty contest candidate calling for “world peace” for my vision of liberty is just as ridiculous. BLUSH.
You’re right. It has always been and ’twill always be! Please pardon my youthful naievty. I’m only 62, after all!!!
Irony.
Kate seems to be saying “Obama is stupid. Let’s not worry about how stupid Perry is.” I’ve got to say, three years of Obama presidency is NOT helping the case that intelligence is irrelevant to the oval office.
The Obama presidency also works against the Palin argument that her thinnish resume is at least better than Obama’s
Pete E at August 30, 2011 2:43 PM
I believe what Kate is highlighting is that the Media, who was and still is not, in the least bit interested in how intelligent Obama really is, is suddenly very worried about how smart Rick Perry is. A bit of a double-standard.
Palin isn’t running, so why is her resume, thin or otherwise, a topic for discussion?
Pete E – I get a different conclusion from kate’s headline/post than you do.
As rindirad pointed out, the MSM/Democratic perspective is that ALL GOP candidates are knuckle dragging stupid ignorami, and ALL Democratic candidates are superhuman geniuses…excuse the hyperbole.
So, what is going on, now, is the MSM flogging the ‘Perry is stupid’ theme, every day, every media outlet…without, of course, any evidence for such a conclusion.
So, we must then, in the interests of equality, fairness and not ‘affirmative action’, ask about the intelligence quotient of Obama. Alas, he’s sealed all his school records. How odd; I wonder why; gosh and golly.
Is it to hide his documented ignorance? Well, we do have a certain amount of evidence of that – from his vacuous speeches which are long on emotional ambiguity and absent of any reality – never mind the evidence of his egregious slips of 57 states and Austrian and so on. Oh, and never mind that he seems utterly clueless about history and about economic infrastructures..
Is it to hide that he was getting in to these prestigious institutions as a foreign rather than American students?
Is it to hide that he was getting in via affirmative action rather than merit?
Well, we won’t know, because he’s sealed all his records.
So, we must turn to Perry. Is the Democratic claim that IF you are a GOP, THEN, you are stupid..valid? Of course, they have a host of other adjectives to describe a member of the GOP:
racist, greedy, wealthy greedy banker, religious fundamentalist, gun-toting impoverished white man, …gosh, these adjectives contradict each other…oh well. What they have in common is they are all BAD…and that’s the point.
So- is the claim that IF you are GOP, THEN you are stupid – is it valid? I can’t find any evidence for such a conclusion; he seems pretty sharp to me, and he’s got an impressive success in Texas. But..that’s me..
As for intelligence in the WH – first, we’d have to define what we mean by that – and my view is that it is NOT measured by your university degrees.
And we need someone with principles, integrity, honesty…Obama lacks all these attributes.
And someone who is deeply committed to the wellbeing of America and Americans – we know that Obama is anti-American.
And yes, someone who understands economics, accepts that the US is a capitalist economy, and accepts and understands the important of individual free enterprise in act and thought. Obama hasn’t a clue about any of this.
So- what does ‘intelligence’ mean?
This Bilderberg nonsense reminds me of the nonsense about OPUS DEA….as put forth in “The Da VINCI CODE”.
Even the notorious Priory De Sionne, when push comes to shove could not protect/warn the Knights Templar then and probably couldn’t now.
That doesn’t mean they totally lack influence, the adoption of the Crois d’Alsace as the emblem of the WW2 Free French was no accident….nor the splayed cross of the Templars emblazed on the sails of Portugal’s Prince Henry’s explorers such as De Gama or Spain’s agent Cristof Columbo’s flotilla.
Conclusion about these shadowy agencies…they ARE there..they ARE powerful… but ARE NOT omnipotent.
Perry is stupid because the MSM really, really, REALLY doesn’t want him running against Barry in Nov. 2012.
I think they’ll get their wish. Because most likely Barry won’t win the DemocRat nomination in 2012. They don’t -have- to let him run.
phantom – I think it’s too late for the Democrats to dump Obama. Admittely, there are at least 23% give or take a bit, who don’t want Obama to run, but these might be those who think he hasn’t been ‘far left’ enough…
I don’t know how many of the Democrats in the public hearing, are ready to admit that Obama’s so-called policies have been disastrous. I call them ‘so-called’ because Obama himself doesn’t write or involve himself in any way with the policies. He’s capable of one action only: campaigning.
Campaigning is a unique activity; it’s a performance. This makes it something that is done, not in real life, but on a stage, a heightened, unreal situation where there are NO results to your words. Your words..remain..words. People can, on their own, add to them or subtract from them. Kind of like a wierd scrabble game.
Governing, on the other hand, is not a performance; it’s done in real life, acting on hard data, factual events..reacting and acting to reality. Obama has NO capacity to exist in this realm. He exists only On Stage. He leaves governing, policies, programs..to others. And he has no idea of the results of those policies.
His agenda is only to Control YOU. If his govt policies reduce your fiscal strength, reduce your ability to do things independently, make you more dependent on govt…that’s good for Obama.
At any rate, the Democrats have kept all new blood out of the party. Obama, as a pathological narcissicist, can’t handle competition. He requires sycophants. So, they really don’t have anyone to substitute for Obama. Some Democrats, who aren’t all, by now, braindead, must realize that Obama is disastrous for the party – but, there is little they can do to persuade the Democratic Elite around Obama..to do anything.
So-unless Obama himself withdraws – and he’d do that only if he were offered the Crown of the World…possibly some new role…I can’t see him not running. His arrogance doesn’t permit him to acknowledge that ‘the peasantry’ would re-elect him..if they are offered enough bonuses, govt handouts and etc. He’s planning to buy the election..
The Phantom at August 30, 2011 3:53 PM
I agree with you RE: the need for the Media to portray Perry as stupid because they fear that Perry may be able to defeat Obama. I don’t, however, agree that Obama will not win the nomination.
Obama will not step down because, in my opinion, his ego will not allow him to withdraw from the race. To step down would be to admit that he can’t win a second term and I don’t think he can even fathom that his adoring public is not as firmly behind him as they were when he defeated Hillary and McCain.
If the Dems and other liberal movers and shakers, like George Soros, want to force Obama to step down, they may have created a situation that makes it very difficult for them to make that happen. The Media and the Democrats have invested a lot of time and energy in pushing the meme that to disagree with or stand in the way of Obama is racist. After screaming “racist” at conservatives and Republicans for the last three years, they’re going to find it hard to explain to their base that it is now ok to disagree with the president. Even if they can pull off that kind of double standard, there is a real possibility that blacks will not turn out to vote for a candidate that pushed the first black president out of office. Without that solid block of voters, Dems find it hard to win elections.
Duh! I should have just waited a few minutes and then said, “I agree with ET.” 🙂
Reagan was stupid too, remember?
UNTIL, his writings were unearthed.
In time even the Dem-media mavens had to acknowledge he was a smart and deeply thoughtful man.
Obviously, Perry’s not stupid.
Cause for worry though. Check out Michelle Malkin’s piece about his attempt to force all 12 year old girls to be injected 3 times with a drug, only recently approved, made my Merck, with which his campaign manager was associated. Gardisil is its name, I think.
Also, his relationship with the Aga Khan (sp?) is deeply worrying. See Robert Spencer who has been villified even by some former friends on the right. Islam is whitewashed in Texas school books. Christie is hot on islamists too, it seems.
I’m not at all keen on Perry. Who’s he trying to kid, telling Americans that he wants to make the government inconsequential in their lives? Neither Reagan nor Thatcher made any headway in this project despite the sincere and passionate rhetoric.
Bachmann’s still my “man”. No one speaks as urgently about the necessity of overturning Obamacare, which if not overturned, will destroy the economy. IS destroying it! Sadly, I’ve just jinxed Bachmann’s candidacy!
Yeah I considered Bachmann until she started bashing gays and immigrants. She’s nuts.
MND: not getting whipped up into hysteria over a non-existant threat of Sharia law does not make Christie ‘hot on Islamists’. It just makes him sane and the only person in the field or who might be in the field who can make a viable GOP contender.