60 Replies to “And They’re Off”

  4. Any of them except Paul would restore the American presidency to what it was until Obama turned into an engine of destruction. Paul is a pacifist and belongs in the same category as Ross Perot.

  5. The current field of GOP candidates don’t really get me too excited. It’ll take a few more debates until someone gets me interested.

  6. Langmann, Paul’s too weird. And he’s terrible on foreign. It can’t happen.
    What about this Perry/West ticket the kids are all talking about?

  8. @ Black Mamba: No Paul is 100% correct on foreign. By no means is he a pacifist, as some are suggesting, he voted for the “Authorization of the Use of Force Against Terrorists” post 9/11. What he is against, and rightly so, is spending our money and the lives of our people on policing and running the rest of the world. Honestly, we are not getting much out of it and it is costing a fortune. Moreover it is setting us up as targets.
    As to being weird, what is so weird about personal liberty and freedom being paramount? Or ending the redundancy of federal departments from transportation onwards? Printing money at a rediculous rate to finance handouts? That most governement regulation simply becomes a corrupted bureaucracy which creates permanent monopolies as large corporations lobby and work hand in hand with the government. That government bail outs and subsidies are killing business in America?
    If you look at Paul’s message it is IMHO what the State is supposed to do.

  9. Pauls a nutjob, he wants to turn America into a Liberatarian hell hole where no one cares about anyone or so it appears.

  11. Maggie Thatcher dining with her cabinet at some hotel, looking to the waiter :
    “Madam?”
    “Thick steak, rare.”
    “And the vegetables?”
    “They’ll have steaks too, of course!”
    OK, it was a skit on Spitting Image, but Sarah and Michelle need to show some of that “command presence”.

  12. yes, felonious munk he is quite the rapper all hip and coloured and stuff, I think Bachmann’s spine may be stronger but their message is exactly the same.
    fo sho

  13. When we get a contender half as smart as this man,
    I will vote for him/her

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
    We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket,
    trying to lift himself up by the handle.
    Winston Churchill-

  16. Ron paul is nuts
    He wants to end overseas military intervention,wants to bring the troops home, wants to audit the fed, says that the borders must be sealed.
    How crazy is that?

  17. Bachmann is a voice that needs to be heard at this time but she will not be able to defeat the Obama machine. Perry or Rommey ,both with flaws, are the only real options at this time. Conservatives in America have to defeat Obama,the Gop, the MSM,and sadly the vast masses of uninformed voters. On the up side any one other than Obama will be an improvement.

  18. I’m not sure what about Ron Paul makes me think that he is a wannabe cult leader. Were I an American I could never vote for him.
    I don’t trust Bachmann or Pawlenty and I have heard Santorum say some really silly things on FOX. In fact the only three I would consider voting for are Perry, West and Palin and I’m not certain I could truly support Palin.
    All that being said I’d vote for a bale of hay if it meant getting rid of Obambam who undoubtedly the worst president in the history of America.

  19. Ron Paul’s my candidate, and Gary Johnson for VP, but not a chance in hell they’ll get the nominations.
    Romney and Cain, a good combo to lose to Obama just before he starts his second term in office.
    I’ll change my opinion when the GOP comes up with a candidate that can beat Soros’ boy.

  21. Langmann – I’m not up to making my own arguments, but here’s a recent Ace of Spades HQ thing on Paul which sums up the real problems with him and reasons he’ll never be a presidential candidate: Link.

  22. And it’s Ace, so always read the comments. (Ace recently let slip that Breitbart told him that he loves the blog but often just skips the posts and only reads the comments section. This has become something of a running joke.)

  23. This straw poll skews heavily to the christian wing of the party. Bachmann was born in Iowa. And several other factors contribute to the poll being a very weak indicator of what lies ahead and who is ahead.
    What it can do is put a kink in the funding hose of some of the also-rans. In this case Pawlenty needs to get some fire in his belly and find a way to get some attention and improve the morale of his team. This will be very difficult indeed now with the glimmering perry having entered the race. And a growing buzz that christie is going to get in as well.
    Meanwhile Bachmann has replaced huckabee and like him has very little ability to grow out beyond the christian wing. And she has essentially nil administrative experience – something a potus candidate needs in 2012 in order to contrast with Obama and reassure Americans that they will not be a dud like he is in that regard. (IMO the GOP potus will be either a former governor or corporate administrator (Cain) all the rest are engaged in a futile struggle.

  25. are we talking about the same Bachmann or the munk?
    i just get all lomatrtes wid use sst and muxed up trying to communicate people?

  27. Both..simultaneously…twice…urp…
    see whats I means some peoples are so smart they thinks putting nigger rappers whats made their real livings stealing and selling drugs to childrens and that no ones ever seen or heard of before butt cans swears allot makes any sense? allot, dont you?
    I didn’t think so, Interesting blog you have by the way, bet you gets allots a smart people like you visiting. I only lowered your GST and got your western star elected cuz imz the stupid one I know. Green isn’t easy to hide behind.

  28. Joe – yes on your three candidates (I like Palin better than you do, though).
    Mitt “Romneycare” Romney is not the man to dismantle Obamacare. I know Coulter likes him, but even so.

  29. I is interesting to note….that nobody is counting or discounting Palin as a contender.
    My theory is that she is wise to not shoot her wallet early…..she doesn’t need to introduce herself…PDS is feature not a bug.
    Especially after the Pallin mystery bus tour….The MSM finally figured out that a more effective tactic simply would be silence….but predictably they will go tar-paper again when she does announce.
    Interesting…during the mid-terms last fall…generally who-ever Pallin endorsed did well….while those who OBUMER endorsed were doomed.

  32. Paul is not a cultist.
    Paul is not a pacifist.
    Paul is not an isolationist.
    Paul is the only candidate who will obey the US Constitution. Paul is the only candidate who will restore fiscal responsibility and get us out of this money pit that we are in.
    For over 100 years America has used the same foreign policy and it doesn’t work. We change one dictator for another dictator who then in turn needs to be replaced. Why should we fall for the same foreign policy snake oil from suits taking the party line?

  33. @ Black Mamba, I read the article a while ago, it was pretty weak. The comments were actually so mind numbingly useless that I think I lost some time there. I am not sure if you were being facetious about that, the comments had nothing to offer.
    I don’t Paul is as immovable as the article say, no human being is. Paul has made compromise decisions in the past, and remember he did vote for military action against the 9/11 collaborators. He is also correct that the US worked with Pakistan in regards to the capture of the high value target Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Whether or not this was possible in regards to Bin Laden I think only Obama and a few others know the true answer to that. Paul could be talking out his ass on that one, but at least he seems to take rule of law etc. into consideration rather than the view that America can do whatever it wants without any side effects.
    But Paul’s points that both our actions in the rest of the world have earned us enemies, and our violations of the rule of law have made us appear hypocritical and undermined our position stands. The rightness of the actions are debateable, with each particular action having its own value ie: I believe our support of Israel is justified. I am not advocating a complete pacifist view like the lefties do, nor does Paul think that at all. I think we should crush our enemies more that we do when necessary and justified or as a last resort, but nation building that is costing us a fortune and sacrificing lives, and all the other meddling and regime changes, I am not for it. If we want their oil, just buy it. Let their own people change to whatever regime they want.

  34. @ Black Mamba : also just to add, I am tired of the whole anti-gay marriage demagogy of the republican candidates. Paul’s opinion is that marriage shouldn’t even be a government institution, but at least he is a republican, in other words the individual states should decide for themselves in regards to things, which was arguably the position of the foundation of the union.

  35. Well, I really do love Ace and the commenters. But then I’m only a dumb bonde, you know.

  38. @ Black Mamba, I am not insinuating you are stupid, I don’t think you are, I have read things you have written before.

  40. langmann – didn’t think you were, it’s okay. We just disagree about Paul is all. I like him some, but not altogether, and I honestly think I’m more likely to be president than he is.
    I guess we disagree about Ace, too.
    Speaking of insult, though, I think Kate just implied that we’re all losers over on the newest thread. I’d go out bar-hopping to prove her wrong but I think my cat might be a little under the weather and I can’t abandon him in case he needs a cuddle. I’m cool!

  41. @ Black Mamba: Anyway I have to get to work. So I guess I will just conclude our one sided conversation with this: Do I think if Ron Paul miraculously was elected President it would be like the second coming of Jesus and the creation of a New Jerusalem? No, not at all. I am way to old now to believe such naive things.
    Do I think Ron Paul would do the best job out of all the candidates both Republican and Democrat in terms of at least sticking to principles and at least trying to a) reign in the massive deficit b) reign in entitlements c) reign in military spending d) cut subsidies and favoritism e) get out of these wars and entanglements that the founders advised against f) respect the power of the states and cut the redundant federal departments g) end the demagogy against homosexuals h) enforce the borders i) uphold the actual right to bear arms – then yes. I think he would do the best job in trying to do that and not worry about relection or pander to the voting masses of the fickle population and those up in arms about the cuts. Obviously none of those things are completely 100% fixable overnight, and a president is often restrained by his congress and senate anyway so likely nothing will ever change until the US is so bankrupt they kind of have to.

  42. (Also about Ace, no I think he is often bang on, he isn’t always bang on and his article about Paul had some truth but became very weak when he said Paul was basically a libertarian robot.) And yeah like Kate says I need a drink….

  43. langmann – hmmmmmm… mebbe. I will apply my (we all agree) considerable mental powers to analying what you say in order to ascertain whether I should be sending Congressman Dr. Paul good mental vibes.
    GYM – Bonde. Dumb Bonde.

  45. Ron Paul is often cast as ideological. I think this is true. He is the most predictable man in Washington. He has a 30 year congressional voting record consistantly following a clear set of principles.
    Unlike many/all of the other candidates he is not just tacking right for the primaries only to run to the middle for the general election leaving you no idea how he/she will actually govern.
    Of course, if you don’t like his ideology, then you can be darn sure he is not your man.

  47. Will people stop comparing Ron Paul to God… I mean, he okay, but he’s no Ron Paul!
    I want to become an American exclusively to vote for Ron Paul.

  48. Some here are debating if Ron Paul has what it takes to be POTUS at the same time Barrack Hussein Obama is sitting in the White House.
    WOW!
    Ron Paul is the only candidate on both sides of the aisle that understands human nature the best.
    I rest my case.

  49. Ron Paul is a very viable candidate, always was,most straw polls prove that – but when you get to any poll conducted by the corporate media or GOP brass, he is invisible in the stats. Paul was the originator of the tea party (not Palin). His own party has constantly saboutaged his POTUS efforts. Shows that the GOP bras and Dem brass are on the same ground when it comes to running a government as per the constitution.

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