29 Replies to “Woman Reveals What She Has Learned From Observing Men”

  1. Gosh
    And I just wasted time reading that …
    Sheessh, how does that pass for journalism ? Then I look at the side bar and her profile, she is an award winning blogger !!! and has written for, to be fair, nothing I’m ever going to read, well certainly not now..
    How, just how is it that she can make a living doing that?
    To much, tomorrow looks like another roller coaster ride in the markets as a meeting of the G7 finance ministers issues non statements about some form of action they won’t specify, though everyone knows that the ECB will Monday officially start buying bonds …
    I guess until they run out of money …..
    Oh well, beer, sit back and watch.
    Horsemen of the Apocalypse are away from the starting post and round the first corner neck to neck down the straight.
    Life inside an Ayn Rand novel can be so predictable.

  2. Clearly, she never met a high school friend of mine who could negotiate her way into a luxury condo complex downtown while paying suburb prices on the rent.

  3. the missus was the toughest negotiator I ever saw in action.
    the day a Ford salesman wouldnt budge on the price of a Taurus demo, she led the way as we danced over to the desk of a younger hungrier salesman who did agree to her terms.
    cest la vie.
    she’s Chinese. whole family all professionals. papa was a decorated Hong Kong cop with a will of iron.

  4. Woman Reveals What She Has Learned From Observing Men
    Cites work of fiction.
    lol Kate

  5. Woman Reveals What She Has Learned From Observing Women writing what they’ve learned about men.
    Cites woman citing work of fiction.
    Man, this one could get metaphysical pretty fast.

  6. Hogwash. When you consider some stats that 30-40% of all children born in wedlock are not the husbands. Who is the cuckhold? Women have been outsmarting men since Eve picked the apple off the tree. That little hank of hair and piece of bone, can pull more than a team of horses.

  7. The author apparently compares herself with certain men and
    decides that they earn more money than her because of their unprincipled negotiating ability. It is certainly news to me that
    women are, collectively, bad negotiators!!! She no doubt doesn’t earn enough money because she’s a dolt;
    but notice, she presumably was paid for that piece of crud, so perhaps she is just crying wolf!

  8. Susannah, when negotiating with a man … look and act sexy, lead him to believe you can be dragged into the sack once this horrid business is over with.
    I am surprised that you don’t know this. But then, women just don’t understand men now do they?
    An oh ya … when negotiating with another women, ask if she can get a man to take her place.

  9. I’m getting somewhat worried about Glenn Reynolds. He’s been linking to this idiotic woman’s posts on a regular basis for several months now . . . and also occasionally to Penelope Trunk’s.

  10. There are differences between men and women, so what are they other than the obvious physical ones? Men are better negotiators on average, according to research, now whether or not you buy into such research is another matter.
    I don’t see how 30% to 40% of children born out of wedlock not being the husbands has to do with men’s ability to negotiate other than contrarily telling me these women were easily sold on allowing the male’s entrance – several men closed the deal so to speak.
    As for men being more intimidating, to most women, men are more intimidating to them, physically so for sure.
    Since statistics show that there are more male narcissists than female narcissists (and sociopaths) it stands to reason that since narcissists/sociopaths are prone to be habitual liars, have little or no conscience/empathy and therefore rarely feel guilt and use intimidation to manipulate, the writer of said article might not be so off base after-all. Just sayin.

  11. Lori, that was 30-40% of all children born in wedlock. IN WEDLOCK. Who are the fools? Who are the better negotiators?

  14. On a certain level I grant she has a point, but there is always a problem when we generalise. Both my late mother and my wife easily prove her wrong.

  15. From the comments at Instapundit: “I take it you’ve never been to Asia.”
    & Bam Bam @ 7:13.
    Too funny. Between careers I’ve been selling Fords. Regarding my experiences with 1st generation Chinese matriarchs: B-R-U-T-A-L.
    By the time it’s wrapped up the men are all on my side and practically apologetic.
    On one occasion I sort of shook my head in disbelief as one family was heading to finance.
    The eldest female caught this out of the corner of her eye. She perceived that I was broken.
    I’ve never seen a broader smile.

  16. From the comments at Instapundit: “I take it you’ve never been to Asia.”
    & Bam Bam @ 7:13.
    Too funny. Between careers I’ve been selling Fords. Regarding my experiences with 1st generation Chinese matriarchs: B-R-U-T-A-L.
    By the time it’s wrapped up the men are all on my side and practically apologetic.
    On one occasion I sort of shook my head in disbelief as one family was heading to finance.
    The eldest female caught this out of the corner of her eye. She perceived that I was broken.
    I’ve never seen a broader smile.

  17. Just think, she could cite television sitcoms or Hollywood movies and come up with even more startling and outrageous conclusions.

  20. My wife is a better negotiator than I am as she seems to push hard for a better deal seemingly starting with the position that the person selling something should pay her to take the useless item off his hands. A bit extreme but it works.
    I’ve never had to negotiate as far as work goes and the trick is to go to an area where there is a shortage of doctors and letting people know if they don’t like my terms they can find another doctor to take my place. Seeing as there aren’t any other doctors, as a negotiating tactic it’s worked well. Before medicine it was a case of me being the only person who knew how the code that I’d written worked and I couldn’t be fired. The trick is set ones self up as being irreplaceable. Wouldn’t work now in the computer field as there are a lot of hot-shot minimum wage programmers in India who’ll do projects way cheaper than I could.
    For buying things, I find that flashing a large amount of cash always works in small stores. I’ve often gotten great deals by paying in cash and not getting a receipt where both parties win as the sale, for official purposes, never took place. Still, good looking women who flirt well negotiating with men have an advantage as there is always that future potential of sex which gets them a better deal.

  21. Before medicine it was a case of me being the only person who knew how the code that I’d written worked and I couldn’t be fired. The trick is set ones self up as being irreplaceable. Wouldn’t work now in the computer field
    I’ve made quite a career out of being hired to clean up after people who thought their incomprehensible systems/code meant they were irreplaceable.
    I personally couldn’t make out the words in the blog post over the woman shouting I HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM every other line.

  22. I took a course in negotiation years ago. The best book I read was ‘Getting to Yes’ by Fisher (and someone else; sorry, I forget). They worked on the Harvard negotiation project, and they taught me the most important thing in any negotiation is your “BATNA” – Best Alternative to A Negotiated Agreement. Let’s assume you’re broke and someone offers you a job at $11/hr. Your take home would be about $1200 a month. Social assistance would only pay about $600/month. You would have to figure out whether spending 50-60 hours a week working (and getting to and from work) is worth another $150/wk. YMMV.
    Or (if Kate will forgive the intrusion), think about sex. In most cases, a woman’s BATNA is “just say no”. What’s a guy going to do – force her, and risk spending years (deservedly) behind bars? Sorry, that doesn’t work out for me, no matter how hard up I am!
    Loki articulated a powerful BATNA – “do you want a doctor or not?”. His wife apparently is skilled at finding salespeople who either don’t believe in their products, or have colleagues who will cave for the sake of making a deal. Again, her BATNA is “well, I’m willing to walk”, and that is extremely powerful unless you really, really need a car!
    Many of the points made by the quoted woman are items of intimidation, not negotiation. Once you know your BATNA, you can’t be intimidated. Yes, you might be negotiating from a position of lower power, but you are not powerless. It’s hard to think of a circumstance (unless he has a gun, of course) that you can’t walk away from. And once you indicate (another important part of negotiation called “signalling”) that you are willing to walk away, much of your counter party’s so called “power” evaporates. All this woman has shown me is she lacks experience, education, and self-knowledge. I feel pity for her.

  24. I’m with loki, my wife is a much better negotiator than I am. I hate bargaining and she keeps pushing for a better deal. Must take after her paternal grandfather who liked to bargain with the Baskir tribesman in the Ural Mountains and who were as canny as a used car salesman.
    We bought a used Camry in 1992 and the salesman cried the blues about how we were skinning him and taking food out of his family’s mouths. When we came back to pick up the car we brought him a box of hamburger helper (her idea)and gave it to him in front of some of the other sales staff. They killed themselves laughing.

  25. “she’s Chinese. whole family all professionals. papa was a decorated Hong Kong cop with a will of iron.”
    Posted by: Bam Bam at August 7, 2011 7:13 PM
    Hong Kong Chinese? Gweilo, please. Just give them whatever they want plus an extra 25% and your firstborn. It’s quicker. I denounce myself. And no, I only know anecdotes.
    This woman just isn’t competitive and she doesn’t like disagreement. That’s norman enough for women, but she could train herself to overcome it.

  26. Iowa Jim wrote —
    I’m getting somewhat worried about Glenn Reynolds. He’s been linking to this idiotic woman’s posts on a regular basis for several months now . .
    Indeed.
    There is a reason why this woman has been pink slipped and seems to be perpetually unemployed.

  27. Men don’t take maternity leave (but rather gain experience during that time); women are more likely to work part-time; and more men are professional athletes. Controlling for those factors, the gender salary gap disappears.
    In stereotypical academic circles, men are professors, engineers, presidents, and football coaches ; women are librarians.

  28. The writer is totally FOS! I stopped reading the article shortly after the first few paragraphs. She started off by saying that men make more money than women. BS! If that were true then no company would be hiring men if they could save money and hire an all female staff!

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