For years now large groups of kneeling Muslim men in France have been gathering en masse to pray in the streets, often blocking native French pedestrians’ access to the sidewalks, while local gendarmes look the other way.
In the interests of accommodating the public-access needs of the native French, a Muslim group has graciously stepped forward with a simple and straightforward solution: they are asking Church of France authorities to allow them to use empty Catholic churches:
Hassan M. Ben Barek, a spokesman for the (Banlieuses Respect) Collective, said the measure would “prevent Muslims from having to pray on the streets” and being “politicians’ hostages”.
No word yet on whether Jews and Catholics will be granted permission to pray in mosques during off-peak hours.
Speedy: how strong is your non-belief in Santa Claus? Are you certain he doesn’t exist? Or do you just sorta not believe? Or maybe you’re “agnostic”?
hi there obiwan kinobe.
carissssstians is a new spelling also.
p.s., wanna join my religious faith of the Usedtobe?
as in we all used-to-be of another denomination. which one doesn’t matter seeing as it’s all in the past now.
onward carissssstian soldiers !!! LOL !!!
Decry atheists all you want but the reality is that if all the muslims were to turn into atheists the problems with them would mostly be over.
Reality?
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.
How about this for a fantasy: If all the Muslims were to turn into Christians the problems with them would mostly be over.
alos,
hi glacier.
tqvm for so quickly providing evidence of the SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS carissssstians are noted for.
it’s why I no longer attend chuch.
don’t lump me in with atheists, your simpletonism wouldn’t comprehend why that’s the case.
(hint: BIG difference between organized religion and faith in God).
(2nd hint: you know how so many religions go around exclaiming ‘we’re the only right faith, all the rest are flawed’. well that part, the part about ‘all the others are flawed’ is the ONLY thing organized religion has *ever* got right.)
p.p.s. they sho’ gonna be some surprised faces come judgment day. (3rd hint: ‘I will spit you out of my mouth’ Rev. 3:14-22)
(4th hint: how many atheists do you personally know with a goddamm SCRIPTURE REFERENCE (Mt 5:9) tattooed on their thigh? none so far I would guess)
feel free to continue your conservatist hero worship now.
a goddamm SCRIPTURE REFERENCE (Mt 5:9) tattooed on their thigh?
LEVITICUS Chapter 19
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
1)Self righteousness comes from not knowing God, methinks by your comments that you don’t know Him, otherwise the mocking would be non-existent.
2)if you love God, you love the Church (not a building, but the people of the Word). You want to be around and share life with those who love God. I love being with people who love God, the more the merrier! The offending of the Holy Spirit is why God has left the building in most cases. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, that is where His flock gather and follow. It’s really rather simple!
3)My sheep here my voice and follow. Do you hear and do you follow? Lukewarm, knowing the truth but doing nothing about it is what causes the spewing. Are you hot, cold or lukewarm?
4)? Matthew 5:9 If you want to know peace you have to know the Prince of Peace. Your rants are showing your heart again. Anger issues are what God is into healing!
“Self righteousness comes from not knowing God”
Pft. The guy who insists that his hallucinations are undeniable evidence of The Universal Truth is accusing others of being self-righteous. Right. Go on, pull the other one.
Look, we should all just convert to Islam. It wouldn’t take 50 years for the superior intellect and wherewithall of the Europeans to completely dominate the Arabs and their religion and, therefore, the world. And fathers would be able to control their daughters so they wouldn’t turn into the slags most of them are these days. Also, We could gulag those who control the Federal Reserve and the world banks. Finally, men would never again be driven to suicide by our feministic Family court system because men would be in charge.
There’s no one more self-righteous than an athiest.
Beagle doesn’t believe in capitalization to start a sentence either; he’s such a rebel, you know, the type that can’t live with rules, an anarchist and an atheist.
Pok
“The growth of Christian communities centered around their churches contributed greatly to the fall of the Roman Empire, plunging Europe, North Africa, and the Near East into centuries of barbarism and poverty.”
That is so passe. One thing this AGW nonsense has done is to have history viewed in a different light.
Rome prospered because of the “Roman Warming Period” and withered when it ended. The barbarian invasions were basically the population of the asian steppes migrating to better climes….snow-birds who never went home.
The centuries of centuries of “barbarism and poverty” were really the effect of the cold era between the “Roman Warming Period” and the Medieval Warming Period”. The plagues of the Middle Ages were the result of a malnourished population during the “Little Ice Age”.
Climate nourished and smothered the Mycenean/Minoan civilizations, Rome, The Viking/Mongol Age and to an extent stopped tthe expansion of the Arab Caliphate’s expansion.
It is interesting to note that The Ottoman Sultan “Suliman the Magnificent” refused to set foot in a Christian Church to prevent the crazies from turning it into a mosque and his Grand Vizier built more churches than Justinian the Great.
Muslim Spain was not a religiously tolerant Utopia. Jews prospered because they could at least survive Sharia…compared to Christian Europe. The Spanish Inquisition targeted Jews and Muslims but really was more a revolt against the supremacy of Rome….
The crusades were not Christian Aggression but much like Spain a re-conquest of Christian Lands.
What will eventually have to occur is ethnic cleansing…..for simple cultural survival.
Alex, experience has no contest with someone who wants an argument
Icy: personal experience has no place in discussions. I don’t care that you saw a Leprechaun running off with your pot of gold – if we have no way to verify it, it’s useless to talk about it.
unless I show you a gold coin!
Oz @12:42 – no kidding. Have you ever seen Curb Your Enthusiasm? In one episode Larry David’s mother dies and is buried in an Orthodox Jewish cemetery but in the wrong-side-of-the-tracks section as it were. Why? Turns out she had a tattoo on her bum. Larry digs her up in the middle of night and moves her to a better grave; it’s what she would have wanted.
Yeah, a gold coin would be proof of leprechauns. Sure. And theists wonder why we’re constantly belittling their intelligence …
So, if you were to meet someone who got verifiable healed, doctors documentation without medical intervention, just prayer, would you believe that God is interested in our conditions and problems?
If you saw a Jihadi miraculously survive being shot in the head, would you believe that allah is the one true god and he wants you to kill infidels?
Like I said – this kind of nonsense is why theists get the reputation for being dimwitted. You fail to differentiate between evidence and anecdotes. You think statistical rarities are evidence of miracles. You don’t understand the first thing about isolating variables and designing falsifiable hypothesis / experiments. Instead, you just assume that what you believe is true, and then go anomaly hunting to try and support it. You’re still stuck in the dark ages.
Black Mamba@ 1:42
REVELATION Chapter 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Seeing so many people, especially young people, get tattoos so nonchalantly is this dissolute age we live in is very disconcerting.
And then some idiot writes graffiti on the temple of God and claims it’s an act of faith just because the graffiti is scripture?
The cognitive dissonance is painful to behold.
glacierman – ignore the smug little trolly swine. It’s just gonna turn into one of these endless, boring things…
“ignore the smug little trolly swine”
True enough, you don’t argue with it, you just scrape it off your shoe and keep walking. Use a long pointed stick, wash hands thoroughly afterward.
He’s right – if you want to continue wallowing along in your ignorance, please, feel free to
ignore me. I wouldn’t blame ya. Given the choice between knowledge and comfort, most people go with the latter. The world is a scary place without your magical security blanket to keep you safe.
@ Alex and beagle
I do not think you truley beleive in your hearts that all christians/religious people are stupid.
There are more christian CEO’S and intelectuals than you think
the atheistic human genome project is headed up by a devoute christian ..sorry can’t talk at work .
Black Mamba at March 17, 2011 2:15 PM
You can lead a horse to water…
…the fool says in his heart, there is no God..Psalm 14:1
You get off on being a prick or what? Go say these things in person to people of faith,that will be the real test if you are a prick.
Paul:
“I do not think you truley beleive in your hearts that all christians/religious people are stupid.”
Well bagel is religious, from what I understand, but even if he wasn’t he’s got his own unique brand of crazy. I won’t presume to speak for him. As for me, I’ve already stated that not all religious people are stupid – I know my share of intelligent theists, and enjoy debating with them over a couple of pints.
On the other hand, intelligence and religiosity DO have an inverse correlation. This is why you see such a large disparity when comparing general atheism to atheism amongst the intellectual elite – the percentage rises dramatically as IQ and educational level increase. So while intelligent theists do exists, they tend to be rather rare.
anybody see the George Carlin routine about the clergy? side splitting. ‘He always needs money !!!’
and the one about boiling down the 10 commandments to 1, you know, eliminating redundancy. equally hilarious.
i.e. “thou shalt not covet they neighbor”. so George starts in on how the entire american economy is based on coveting your neighbor’s property.
glacierman at March 17, 2011 2:35 PM
You can lead a horse to water…
…the fool says in his heart, there is a God..Alex 14:49
Alex, when is your timeline for becoming a Muslim, so as to keep your head?
You do realize, don’t you, that your beliefs are infinitely closer to Islam than are mine? For you it’s one small step – for me it’s one massive leap. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re already praying to mecca, just in case.
Alex,
When you bring something other than tripe to the table, let me know. I am finished being trolled upon. I gave it a try, you can reach out when you are sinking.
“Well bagel is religious, from what I understand, but even if he wasn’t he’s got his own unique brand of crazy”
No honour amongst trolls, I see.
p.s. I’m a girl.
lol. You gave what a try?
“Dur, ppls gots healed, so GOD!”.
If that’s your idea of “a try”, you’re an even bigger idiot than I first thought. If you honestly want to “give it a try”, maybe you could attempt to have a real discussion without throwing out strawmen, relying on idiotic “arguments”, and threatening people with beheading. You know, act like a CIVILIZED HUMAN BEING for a change, instead of a typical theistic troglodyte.
“Obstruction of a public thoroughfare”
Issue tickets. Arrest repeat offenders.
Your religion doesn’t grant you immunity from the law, pal.
I personally witnessed sixty people being confirmed into the Catholic Church in one evening while living in South Korea. There are conversions every year. Nearly half of the country is now Christian. And some say the Church is dying?
Guys, Alex and beagle are trolls. Don’t waste your Saint Patrick’s Day on them.
Another idiot who thinks anecdotes are the same as statistics. Could we please get a response from someone with a triple-digit IQ?
One day the people of France are going to get fed up with being held hostage by Muslims praying in the streets. They have adequate Mosques, their public prayers are public signs of supremacy and intimidation.
Alex ,sorry i was at work and was unable to speak with you .
I respect your lack of faith , and your unwillingness to here the call i am not being condisending or trying to subtly insult you , i will pray for you and there is another athiest gentleman at my work who Hates christians because he say’s they are what affect his life the most..lol.
Again i respect that .
I could go on and on for day’s about the intelctual christians that have made your’s and my life easier ,faster , safer, so on and so forth , i will also say that athiest’s are not stupid either however spiritually they(you) are missing something for me i undertsand also that you probly don’t think your missing anything simply becasue you have neevr opened your heart and soul to the love of christ and i was at one point an athiest just like you actually for 20 something years my parent’s never went to church ,never took us my grandparent’s did once in a blue moon but my bro and i were so bad and so mischievious that they dreded us being there .
Anyway beagle and myself both have been athiest’s and both christians al though we are polar oposites in the sence he did the growing up with god and chose to abandon him , for me i grew up with out god and faught him every chance i got , sex drug’s ,rock n roll ,you name it i probly did it stole cars , everything to avoid the unavoidable i was fighting something and one day i figured it out will you i don’t know , i know that i look back at a previous life i lived guilt free …but i really was feeling back then more guilty than i have since i became a christian i was hiding my guild in all of those thing’s (sins) i did now that i am a christian i understand what it is that athiest’s struggle with and cannot or shall i say will not accept and that is that to put your faith in someone or something that is no where to be seen or herd so to speak just seem’s unreasonable and so it is best in your mind to put your faith in yourself because even you have to admit faith is a very important thing to everyone even athiest’s as a matter of fact i would say it is probly more important to them that is why they are not willing to put it someone elses hands , i pray for your soul i am not trying to insult you or make you feel guilty or bad but having come from where i have i fully understand how hard it is to trust in something/someone who is nowhere to be seen or herd but if you allow him to work in you you will see like i have seen and hear like i hear very clearly and his grace and mercy is uncomprihencable by humans but you will never look back once you shed your old skin give him a chance one chance .
As for the muzzies i do beleive god gives us a right as individuals and as a country to protect his word so i am for halting immigration and deporting every last one of them they to me as a christian man are the enemy they hate you alex just as much as they hate me and they truley want you and me dead by the same sword iti s important that we know our enemy scripture tells us not everyone on earth is going to heaven and the devil is alive and well here on earth right now .
I hope and pray that you will give the lord a chance to work in you.
Please do not respond to Alex. It’s utterly pointless to do so, inasmuch he has been making just one completely off-topic, toddler-brained point, over and over and over again: that belief in god is ignorant.
This isn’t a forum for an extended debate on atheism versus belief, so I’m going to delete all subsequent comments from Alex. The only downside to that is that I’ll be forced to delete any responses to him as well in order to to ensure the continuity of the thread. Please don’t take it personally when I do so.
Thank you.
EBD, -finally-. The cretin patrol does this every time, and everybody rises to the bait like frickin’ goldfish.
There really is only one way to deal with persistent trolls. Delete them.
Just like there’s really only one way to deal with a flash crowd that shows up and blocks the street all the time. Arrest, overnight detention, no breakfast, fine.
For years now a friend of a relative, an Iranian Muslim woman, because there is no mosque within driving distance sometimes takes her mother to a nearby CA mission, whose name is famous, and which still functions everyday as an active Catholic diocese. They both go there during public visiting hours to pray. She tells me they can go to any “holy” place to do so, and she says churches such as the mission are obviously “holy”. She sees nothing odd about it, nor does her very traditional mother. She is quite respectful of it. She was also excited to see the extra number of bibles [various translations] in our home, and says she is required to treat them as if they were “holy”, too. Interesting.
Thanks EBD! Was waiting for this. Reason and respect are not the MO for Alex, I believe there is always hope, no matter how loud the shouting gets. Will stay on topic, not my intention to hijack the thread, sorry about that Kate and rest!
As I was reading through these comments and raising a pint of Guinness to my ancestors on this blustery March day, I was reminded of the definition of “positive” (not weasel quotes–just to make the word stand out, you understand) in the Devil’s Dictionary by (I always want to say Pierce Brosnan) Ambrose Bierce:
Positive (adj.) Mistaken at the top of one’s voice.
God help me. I suddenly want a tattoo–perhaps a little 4 leaf clover with me mum’s name.
Slainte
I don’t have a problem with dissenting viewpoints. Alex is being axed because he has repeatedly demonstrated that he is incapable of grasping what “off-topic” means, and because, like a toddler, he makes the same OT point – “Religion is stoopid!” – over, and over, and over again.
Thanks EBD. sasquatch has it right @ 1:19 and could add the role of national debt to the decline of empires, but that is another topic.
Frankly I think its sacrilegious myself.
Buildings though are not human beings. Its them I worry about being infected with this Satanic meme from a book that has proved to be lies in Practice, if not historically.
Christianity(not Chruchianity) claims to follow the Jewish Messiah. In fact claims if he wasn’t raised from the dead to prove it, than any faith you have is in vain.
Archeology with changed lives for the better, has born this out for 2000 years, barring the tares in the Wheat.
It shocks me that most Christians don’t even know this much. That if Joshua saying he was G-D is true which I believe . Than G-D became a Jew.
Thats gonna be fun to watch the expressions on a lot of folks, on Judgment day.
JMO
What satisfaction Alex, and the other trolls, must get when they can so successfully hijack a discussion.
His knee-jerk reaction is always the same; his reasoning will never change (except by a revelation of the One) and the counter-reaction is as repetitive.
DON’T FEED THE ANIMALS.
What a load of bullshit, EBD. Scroll up, bud. See who’s starting the conversations. See who starts the insults first. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Try and find ONE example where I initiated it.
Camel. Nose. Tent.
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