Together they thrive:
Protesters, scores deep, crushed into a corridor leading to the governor’s office here on Wednesday, their screams echoing through the Capitol: “Come out, come out, wherever you are!”
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“(Governor) Walker, whose family home was surrounded by angry workers this week…
Yes, it’s time for a new tone:
With more protests planned over the coming days, WEAC has provided a list on their website of the home addresses for all legislators…
Unions leaders are not called looters and thugs for no reason. They’ve earned that title many times over. The same can be said of any rank and file members that go to the residences of legislators. This is where the face of the left is that of Michael Moore, ugly to the bone!
A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine arising from English Common Law that designates one’s place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one’s car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack.
It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her “castle”), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack.
This law almost passed in Wisconsin in 2007 but failed in the Senate where the Republicans today have a majority.
This is the next law that should be passed in Wisconsin as soon as a quoram is present.
However, since Castle Doctrine has it’s basis in English Common Law I would not be surprised if Wisconsin legislators could sucessfully defend themselves and their exclusive right to their private property from this communist rabble based on Castle Docrine and either not face charges or easily win if charged for defending themselves and their exclusive private property.
It’s the zeitgeist.
Wow, what class these “educators” have.
I wonder what lessons they are imparting on “the children”. How to be a thug in five easy steps?
This tactic of swarming onto the private residences of politicians, businessmen, etc, is with one aim in mind: to provoke a defensive act by the targets of this tactic. The Left are desperate for a pretext that will usher in the next phase of their “transformative change”.
But really, do we need any more proof that they are just out and out street thugs? One of the pillars of civil society is mutual respect for the barrier that exists between an elected official’s public functions and their private family life. Remember this – the Left are not interested in competing in the arena of ideas. They are not interested in winning arguments. They are interested only in the total victory that comes from clearing the field of opponents. They do this by shouting down, character assassination, and now outright physical intimidation.
WTF kind of writing is this (from the NYT link above)? “Scott Fitzgerald, the Republican leader in the State Senate, slipped out of the Capitol Wednesday morning with his sunglasses on, head down. Protesters had gone to his home earlier in the week, forcing his family (including his wife, a school guidance counselor) to go elsewhere for a bit.”
At the risk of bringing this post to the sum of 1, were there certain other socialists in Europe @1930’s doing something similar?
There is no one running as leader of any party out here on the west coast (British Columbia)that has the testicular fortitude to do the same, and believe it that we too are broke! (you wouldn’t know it the way they paid $6 million for the cost of defense of Virk and Basi in the B.C. Rail rip-off). It’s called “hush-money”. Waiting for the revolution folks; everywhere else in the world has them, why not us?
As much as this mob deserves a tear-gas and billy club educational seminar, the last thing to do is help them fulfill their objective of provocation. Hopefully cooler heads prevail. Though if they stick around long enough and start to smell, I see nothing wrong with turning some high pressure water on them.
Thanks EBD and John Chittick nails it.
This must be the personification of new tone that President Flim Flam was talking about in his post Tucson speech.
“WTF kind of writing is this (from the NYT link above)?… …forcing his family (including his wife, a school guidance counselor) to go elsewhere for a bit.”
yeah, WTF!?! my thought also. Interesting choice of words they have there.
It’s the Saul Alinsky way !!!
Clear the streets, because, “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”.
Civil war, anyone??? Remember, “never let a good crisis go to waste”.
When BO distracts you with his right hand, be sure you know what the left hand is up to.
Believe me, there’ll be plenty of crisis in 2011.
larben, as someone living in British Columbia I could not agree more with what you said.
So FatMan Michael Moore has called Madison “The New Cairo”. Perhaps they should make his wish come true and put Madison under martial law.
There is a Muslim Brotherhood.
Is there a Muslim Sisterhood?
Do we care?
BrianN – I have actually seen it called “the Muslim Brotherhood/Sisterhood” on some loopy left-wing chick’s twitter thing in the last few days.
The civil society is finished. This is gross intimidation.
This is true vigilantism, only on a political front.
Just another symptom of cultural collapse.
As Ive said before. Most of the institutions of Federal Government where never involved in most of our educational or health issues. It was a Trojan horse for federal control. Time to free ourselves from the clutches of power mad Bureaucracies, that are supported by Unions to the detriment of the populace as a whole. This whole madness of Uber Federal bulling never existed to this extent till the last 40 years of both our Nations..
We need a systemic overhaul of all our institutions. In Canada & America.
Don’t like the results of the democratic protest? No problem, just intimidate the elected officials with threats of violence. And for an added bonus, you’ll get the President of the United States cheering you on!
What a despicable chapter in American history. 🙁
If a 7% contribution to their own health & pension benefits will ‘cost’ the quoted teacher $1200 for her and her teacher husband, then they are pulling in around $200,000/year or a hundred grand each, that’s fifty bucks an hour if you work a 40 hour week and get two weeks off a year.
Does this ignorant woman plan to find a part-time job that pays over $50 an hour she apparently believes she deserves? If so where? Is there another employer dumb enough to believe she’s entitled to her entitlements?
Privatize from Kindergarten to PHD. Innovative charter schools are the way to go.
somehow I dont think it matters who is in the white house when THIS kind of thing happens:
3w.skyvalleychronicle dot com slash BREAKING-NEWS/VETERAN-S-GROUP-DEMANDS-APOLOGY-FROM-SEC-OF-STATE-CLINTON-BR-Claims-vet-was-manhandled-for-silent-protest-596038
otoh, isn’t it curious how fighting dirty tends to spread to all sides in a conflict?
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/wisconsin-gov-walker-ginned-up-budget-shortfall-to-undercut-worker-rights.php
another smoke and mirrors ‘crisis’.
If you seriously think the fiscal crisis affecting every level of American government is a concocted fiction, you clearly haven’t been paying attention for the past decade or two.
Wisconsin Debt Clock:
http://tinyurl.com/4t2e6q7
Right now the State of Wisconsin is spending $20+ Billion/year more than they’re receiving in revenue with a current State debt of nearly $44 Billion.
Some people think that could be a problem for a population of 5.7 million people in an economy where Obama declared the U.S. government to be broke back in 2009.
Ginned up budget shortfall?
No.
In response publish the home addresses of all of the union executive. Also, publish pictures of the hovels the teachers are forced to live in on their measly salaries of $100 K yearly. Setup a program so people can mail teachers food, preferably stuff that’s been sitting at the back of the fridge for the last 2 years. We wouldn’t want these “educators” to starve.
Going through the garbage cans of teacher couples would likely produce some interesting results to post on the internet (perfectly legal as no expectation of privacy with garbage at curb). Can post the garbage can contents on the internet as well as the picture of the hovel they are forced to live in.
That’s just the first step while the dispute is being kept civil.
Funny every other report I read is how peaceful the demonstrations are. Still I can see how comment regular of this blog would feel threatened by protesting ordinary Americans.
Another view
http://crookedtimber.org/2011/02/20/more-on-wisconsin-skip-if-this-bores-you/
Spammed? Re: Uncle Mo Lepolt & Bob Rae.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2011/02/20/17345196.html
From the WEAC (Wisconsin Education Association Council) Web site: “Free bus rides [to protests] are being organized from several locations throughout the state.”
We all know that the only people for whom these bus rides will be “free” are the teacher protesters. The Wisconsin taxpayers will be footing the bill, as usual.
These union thugs are despicable. You can see they took Obambam’s advice to talk nice and be peaceful: “Here is an update on activities to fight Governor Walker’s attacks on educators, public employees and families.”
“Fight,” “attack,” hmmm. Peaceful talk, that. Their link to legislators’ “e-mail addresses and phone numbers” clearly shows their home addresses. This is protest taken to a new level: sub-basement, next rung down: Hell.
Attention Bros & Sisses.
Secret Meeting cancelled. No janitors on duty; bathrooms stink & no toilet paper, either.
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“Councillors meeting with union stinks: Editorial”
“Too many Toronto councillors don’t seem to understand they work for taxpayers, not the city’s labour unions.
The fact a gaggle of left-wing councillors recently attended an emergency meeting of CUPE Local 416, called to strategize against Mayor Rob Ford’s plan to contract out half the city’s residential garbage collection, proves it.
Apparently Adam Vaughan, Paula Fletcher, Gord Perks, Glenn DeBaeremaeker and Mike Layton (who sent an aide), among others, don’t know or don’t care how inappropriate this is.
Perks told the Sun’s Sue-Ann Levy he addressed the hundreds of workers in attendance as an ally because of his “natural relationship with public sector garbage workers.”
He said he urged them to “fight for their jobs” and warned about what he described as the myths those in favour of privatization will try to use against them.
Incredible. Do Perks and Co. not realize they will be among the final decision-makers in upcoming contract negotiations between the city and its unions, dealing with contracting out, salaries and benefits?
Their job is to represent all Toronto property taxpayers, not give aid, comfort, encouragement and advice to unionized workers as they gear up to fight city hall.
As Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday correctly observed: “I think they’ve got to know whose side they’re on. The taxpayers elected them … they’re not elected by the CUPE union and it is not their job to drum up support for the union.”
If these councillors honestly believe public sector garbage collection is better than private then the appropriate place to make that argument is at council.
But it’s one thing to present union arguments — identified as such — in public debate at council, quite another to strategize with the union in advance.
The very fact these councillors attended this union meeting suggests their minds are already closed to any possible argument that could be made in favour of contracting out.”
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2011/02/18/17333121.html
“I love teaching, but I’d have to start looking for another job, period,” she said.”
I noticed this persistent bit of fiction during the Mike harris years. They all believe they can stomp off in a huff and easily pick up another job which will pay more. Better yet, if you can, well, go ahead.
When is payday for all those protesters, and who will issue the cheque if they are all not working.
They are stealing from the taxpayer via phony sick notes. They are so committed to their cause they are not willing to give up a few days pay.
How about the govt withholding union dues from the unions for a few months, to pay for the cost of this strike.
I heard an unconfirmed suttlebutt that Qadafi has deployed attack helicopters (gun ships) to attack the demonstrators.
The publishing of home addresses is a repeat of that publishing and busing of protestors to bank execs homes by OBOZO a year or so back.
No word (ominous) of how the proposed TEA PARTY counter demonstration went in Madison saturday.
According to The Great Shaidle, Hollywood is re-issuing ‘Taxi Driver’, a nasty film about a stalker political assassin wannabe who ends up a public hero. Coincidence? I think not…
The Tea party should be amassing protests on the doorsteps of the union leaders homes.
I bet the police would step in here.
RL
When you consider the non competition that these fools teach the kids everyday where even “dodge ball” is too nasty a game for the tender chillins … How can this hypocrisy stand for even a minute.
These teacher must believe what they teach where there cannot be winners and losers. They win with their thug enforced contracts and the other winners who earn about half the amount of money and benefits on average than teachers but we get to pay ALL OF THEIR PAY and Benefits … so in their twisted minds … we all win.
It is all fair because for they only get to work about 9 months a year and must find some way to fill that time unemployed …. while we get to work ‘full time’. So it could be a job fairness issue too.
I suspect American teachers are not much different than Canadian. The majority have very little idea of finances. They honestly feel that their ‘education degrees’ warrant a leg up in society. They also think the taxpayer’s pockets are bottomless. Why should they think otherwise as their demands have been met for decades.
“Angry Workers” sounds like a new Angry Birds game. Put the workers in a sling shot as they try to topple the capital. 5000 extra points if they demolish Walker.
You know, stepping back a bit from this, we could be witnessing the high water mark of the post tWW2 social change movement.
The unions know they are in bug trouble – industrial unions are very weak and only public sector unionization keeps the money flowing in. This is why Trumpka showed up . . he knows this is Stalingrad.
And now that Obozo has been allowed to make great speeches while he destroys the US economy, the reality will come home to roost, just any race baiter preacher’s chickens. And that reality is that there isn’t money enough to pay for so much public service.
We’ll know the fight is going really well when mass layoffs hit the Universities and tens of thousands of useless Sociology, Grievance Mongering, Earth First Environmentalist, Utopian Political Scientist etc. etc. professors are all defunded and their skanky butts are kicked off campuses, never again to be allowed to warp young minds.
loki has a great idea @ 5:37. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Some of the signs the so-called teachers are carrying are quite informative as to their ideology.
“chanting “kill the bill” and waving signs (some likening Mr. Walker to a dictator and demanding his recall).”
Gee, I wonder which dictator they’re comparing him too,Chavez,Castro?
Those teachers quoted,that figure they’re going to step into an equal pay job in the private sector are very ignorant of the realities of the marketplace.
Their training doesn’t qualify them for jobs that are of much use to most companies. The old saying,”them that can,does,them that can’t,teaches”,is quite appropriate in this case.
I’ve worked with several ex-teachers on construction sites,they’re usually doing laborer’s jobs.
The Wisconsin teachers who are tempted to quit and move into an executive position with a private sector corporation are in for a rude awakening.
Following is a somewhat long comment from Tim, at the Wisconsin Educ. Assoc. Council (aka Wisconsin Teachers Union, part of the NEA). Tim is not a teacher, is employed in the private sector, and is one of the taxpayers who has to pay the teachers. What he says is a breath of reality and, I’m sure, not at all welcome by these entitled-to-their-entitlements protesting teachers and their union:
Tim 2/14/2011
It is really troubling to see what many of you are writing.
I am a private sector employee, lucky to have my job and to be able to feed, clothe and house my wife and four kids – all of which attend a public school. I have a modest income of $50,000 per year gross. Out of this income, I pay 100% of my insurance premiums for my $10,500 family deductible health insurance plan. I have no 401k and pensions haven’t existed in my private sector industry for 25+ years. Like many of my coworkers, I have not seen a raise in the past several annual reviews. My company’s revenues are down, and we middle class workers share in the down cycle.
My wife and I love the commitment of our kid’s school teachers. We help and support them any way we can. But it is so difficult to hear the arguments and disdain against our family by all of you teachers.
WHO ARE YOU UNIONIZED AGAINST?
Do you think you are organized against Scott Walker? Really?
Wise up and understand that you are no different than any other middle class worker. We are all suffering.
Don’t ask us to join you in rallying up against our elected officials. Instead, spend a bit of energy getting your facts straight. Ask your student’s parents how much they earn per year, what they do to support their families and what type of insurance benefits and pension they enjoy. Did you know you can look up the salary and fringe benefit of any state employee using Data on Demand?
Find out how much you have been given in fringe pay (insurance, pension, vacation/sick days) each year. I think you will be startled when you realize your fringe pay is between 25 and 75% of your annual compensation.
Would it surprise you to hear that most private sector middle class employees earn “fringe pay” of less than 10% of their annual salary?
Would it surprise you to hear the average middle class health benefit today has a $3000 family deductible and no prescription benefit until that deductible is satisfied?
Would it surprise you to hear the true middle class of Wisconsin earns an average of $57k/yr including fringe benefits, while 70% of Wisconsin teachers earn compensation greater than $90k?
Stat: First year music teacher, Pulaski School District, full time salary is $35,600 Fringe Benefit $21,872 = total salary $57,472. Only teachers in their first 5 years of their career are truly middle class.
Did you ever consider that the reason you all feel so salary poor is because you are unusually benefit rich?
Did you ever consider that the money to pay for your “middle class” salary is coming from the middle class private sector?
Did you know that private sector employees are not able to bargain their salaries, hours, working conditions or benefits?
GO AHEAD AND PICKET WALKER. HOW COME YOU AREN’T ALSO PICKETING YOUR NEIGHBORS, THE PARENTS OF THE KIDS YOU TEACH, THE PASTOR OF YOUR CHURCH, THE AVERAGE JOE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. WHO ARE YOU UNIONIZED AGAINST?
Please, times are tough for all of us in the middle class. If you are not happy with the hand that has been dealt to you, please step aside and let one of the several thousand eager and willing recent graduates take your jobs. They don’t share your overwhelming sense of entitlement. They are not malcontent, and they will not take it out on the parents and kids by threatening to strike if they don’t get their fair share of the tax base. (My emphasis added here.)
Many of us parents love our children’s teachers dearly. But please don’t lose sight of the fact you chose your vocation of service. You are not slaves to the system.
School administrators may want to rethink development training. Obviously, the money spent on conflict resolution, Zero Tolerance, anti-harassment and anti-bullying training has been wasted. These are the people we trust with teaching children?
I know things can get heated during strikes/lockouts/contract negotiations but,holy crap, these guys have gleefully jumped over the line between job action and outright intimidation. Some type of legal action must be available or newly legislated to prevent this from becoming the norm for organized labor. Massive fines to WEAC, both the organization and individuals, would be a start.
This is Richard Trumka, http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/12/richard-trumkas-history-of-violence-and.html, “Richard Trumka’s History of Violence And Thuggery”
These are the numbers for Trumka’s pay, “Richard Trumka increased his yearly salary by nearly $74,000—from $165,000 to $238,975— in the last four years.” http://www.laboreducator.org/laborsvoice60.htm
As it is, nobody really cares how much somebody makes, how it can by of significace in the context of being hard done by.
Another question, is the pay of Trumka in any way aligned with workers pay.
They walked off the job without just cause, they effectively terminated their employment ergo the Government should process their pink slips sans any severance because they terminated their jobs without notice. All the above is within the employer’s legal rights, they quit thus deal with them as exemployees who quit their jobs.
You guys remember that SIG rifle thread a couple days ago where some people thought full-auto was overkill for home defense…
… maybe not, eh? In some places in the world, two hundred guys turn up at your house and torch the place. Unionistas are just the type to do stuff like that if they don’t get their way.
For all you trolls and union boys who just got all ruffled by that statement, I direct your convenient and short memories to Athens, Greece where people got burnt to death in a couple banks that were firebombed by… unionistas.
I’d strongly advise y’all not to pull that kinda stuff in the USA, your boys in Washington failed to disarm the country like they have here in CanaDUH and likewise Greece.
I’d also like to recommend you not prove to the Tea Party that you are -dangerous-. That could be really unfortunate, strategically speaking.
Just a little friendly advice from Uncle Phantom, who only wants life to be nice and boring. No excitement for me, thanks.
“Remember how factories in the old Soviet Union stayed open year after year even though half the products they turned out were defective? U.S. public schools have become like that, which is why Democrats feel so much at home in the education business,” writes (Ann) Coulter.
Coulter’s book Godless is worth buying for the chapter on “education” alone.
O & the bros and sisses in the ‘hood.
“And President Barack Obama and his political machine are offering tactical support to the labor movement.”
O foments torrents of blood?
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“State budget fights fire up union; Obama involved”
“WASHINGTON (AP) — Organized labor is trying to re-energize and take advantage of the growing backlash from the wave of anti-union sentiment in Wisconsin and more than a dozen other states. And President Barack Obama and his political machine are offering tactical support to the labor movement.
Obama is eager to repair strained relations with some union leaders upset over his recent overtures to business.
The potent combination has helped fan the huge protests in Wisconsin against a measure that would strip collective bargaining rights from state workers.
AFL-CIO political director Karen Ackerman says she thinks it sends a clear message: “If you take on middle-class people and try to solve the budget crises on their backs, there’s a price to pay.” She says “many thousands of people will be energized to fight back.”
Nearly every major union leader has united behind an ambitious $30 million plan to stop anti-labor measures in Wisconsin and 10 other states.”
http://www.kget.com/news/political/story/State-budget-fights-fire-up-union-Obama-involved/7rT5B4hwMkaWFpH6wAkfCA.cspx
Obama and his union goons can never conquer us or our Constitution.
‘It will dash them to pieces.’
What follows is a small history lesson of that document:
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Thirteen colonies 1783
“And President Barack Obama and his political machine are offering tactical support to the labor movement.”
if you can’t LEAD, then cause trouble
Nobama must have taken an unanounced trip to consult with Hugo Chavez
Dave in Pa (11:00 am), thanks for posting that letter from “Tim”. The phrase “Who are you unionized against?” points precisely to the problem with public sector unions: they are – in effect – organizing against *taxpayers*, the majority of whom make considerably less money than them, and what’s particularly revolting is that they use the same language of struggle that was used back in the days when coal miners and factory workers organized against wealthy owners just so they could have a living wage to buy food and basic necessities. It’s as if they think the rest of us don’t notice that there’s a difference between Joe Hill and, say, a Teamster.
“Who are you unionized against?” should become the catchphrase for taxpayers who are tired of paying for public sector unions entitlements. It would be great to see it on placards and T-shirts at counter-protests.
Dave in PA:
That was a superb comment taken from the Wisconsin web site. Can you provide a link to the comment thread?