Just waiting for our prime minister (see post immediately below by Robert) or the US president:
‘State multiculturalism’ has failed – Cameron [with video]
Earlier opinion:
1) The days of doing deals with Muslim extremists are over
As minds are concentrated on matters abroad, the Prime Minister is about to deliver a few home truths, says Charles Moore...
This afternoon [Feb. 5], in Munich, David Cameron will tell some of these home truths. As I mentioned in this column a couple of weeks ago, the Prime Minister has become exasperated by the way much of the permanent bureaucracy, in its attempt to counter violent extremism, ends up appeasing it [how about this, Mr President?].
Coming at the subject from his Big Society, “we’re all in this together” perspective, Mr Cameron finds the opposite – a sectarian world in which Muslims are encouraged by extremist leaders to identify themselves in as aggressive and separate a way as possible. They are taught to aerate their grievances in order to get political power and public money. He does not deny that some grievances exist, but he rejects the idea that they cause, let alone justify, terrorism. He will point out that it is often Muslim professionals born here, and prospering in middle-class freedom, who are most radicalised. He is horrified that young men educated at some of our best universities pick up noxious ideas from some student Islamic societies. He is caustic about the double standard which defends such ideas in the name of academic freedom: this would never happen if they were the vapourings of white racists.
The true boldness of Mr Cameron’s message lies in his view that non-violent extremism is an entry-chamber for terrorism itself. He blames Islamist doctrine – the political ideology advocated by the Muslim Brotherhood under the cloak, or rather the veil, of religion – as the bad thought from which bad actions naturally spring. It fills the dangerous vacuum created by multi-culturalism…
2) David Cameron takes on the ideology of Islamist extremism
Today’s [Feb. 4] detailed revelations in the Telegraph from the Wikileaks hoard reveal the depth of concern on both sides of the Atlantic at the way Britain has become a forcing house for the ideology of Islamist extremism. MI6 told the Americans it was worried about the “unique” terrorist threat posed by our “home grown” extremists. The US in turn poured thousands of dollars into funding its own secret counter radicalisation campaign…
I wonder how much detailed coverage Mr Cameron or these WikiLeaks will get in the Canadian media.
Update: This however is what one of the Globe and Mail’s leading reporters/columnists/deep thinkers/whatevers thinks:
Who’s afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood?
Maybe Mr Cameron, that silly young man (text of his speech here)–Dauntless Doug Saunders of course knows better. He doubtless would have thought that Mao’s ChiComs were really just “agrarian reformers” (scroll down a bit)?
Does Canada need a Canadian Defense League modeled after the EDL?
H/T Blazing Cat Fur
http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/
Cameron, a day late and a dollar short.
Funny how these politicians always ‘get it’ after the ship has sailed.
I’m afraid I think the UK is too far gone to be helped. Certainly David Cameron doesn’t have the strength, or even possibly the will, to really do what is needed.
Cameron is more the like the doctor that gives a dying patient a shot of morphine so that the patient doesn’t suffer in his remaining moments.
We in Canada should be weary of such politicians.
nemo2, just saw your comment, and you are right on.
It’s to late for England, they had decades to do something about the medieval Religious enclaves and the leftards chose to fund expanding the Sharia Law Enclaves via generous welfare benifits for life.
// He blames Islamist doctrine – the political ideology advocated by the Muslim Brotherhood under the cloak, or rather the veil, of religion – as the bad thought from which bad actions naturally spring. It fills the dangerous vacuum created by multi-culturalism… //
Cameron’s policy of “muscular liberalism” has been in the policy pipeline for some time — this 2008 analysis —
// Reviving the cold war
What Browne’s, Moore’s and Gove’s comments illustrate is the attempt to justify illberal policies in the name of defending ‘liberal’ western values against an alien ‘totalitarian’ threat. This is the paradoxical project that is now the major theme of centre-Right thinking on multiculturalism and the ‘war on terror’. //
The above-mentioned Michael Gove [now Secretary of State for Education in Cameron’s government] —
// Michael Gove, a founding chairman of PX and one of the young Conservative MPs who make up David Cameron’s shadow cabinet. In his 2006 book Celsius 7/7, Gove defines ‘Islamism’ as an ideology that is similar to fascism and includes Tariq Ramadan as a follower. He states that in the war against ‘Islamism’, it will be necessary for Britain to carry out assassinations of terrorist suspects, in order to send ‘a vital signal of resolution’. More generally, a ‘temporary curtailment of liberties’ will be needed to prevent Islamism from destroying western civilisation.[10] Fellow Tories regard Gove as a leading expert on Muslims in Britain. //
The PX referred to is one of the think tanks that have developed the policies & have been churning up the public on this score for several years.
Quotes from —
How are thinktanks shaping the political agenda on Muslims in Britain?
By Arun Kundnani 2 September 2008
It’s an interesting phenomenon that some people will surrender just by it being suggested that they surrender, others will surrender when the going gets tough, others will surrender when things “don’t look good” and others will rise above it and say “Surrender? I’ve not yet begun to fight”
It’s never too late and Cameron deserves all the support that we can give him. This fight is not just about today, this is about all of our tomorrows.
Better late than never?
At least Cameron is taking a stand. You would never have seen Gordon Brown come out with that statement.
Not much anybody can do about that now.
In the spirit of ‘Iran is not going to tell us what films we can show in Canada,’ at least we know the Canadian government is starting to push back.
Like others I fear this is too little and much too late. Too little because the UK has a huge multicultural industry to say nothing of a bloated bureaucracy whose livelihood depends on nothing changing. We may not yet be as far along, but we are marching towards the same disaster. We also have a booming multicultural industry along with a bureaucracy dependent on the same, and let us not forget the empire of our HRCs.
So, since the sky is falling, let’s all fold our tents and give up?
Are you people mice or men? Squeak up!
Singapore’s Lee: ‘we can integrate all religions and races except Islam’
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/02/singapores_lee_we_can_integrat.html
All very noble of hi, but will he halt moslem immigration? Probably not.
I read that Saunder’s column and left a little message of my own to tell him what I thought.
Rather than bad-mouthing PM Cameron as being a man “too little, too late”, Canadians would be well advised to demand our politicians grow a pair and speak out against the abominable policy of bi-culturalism. Canada has been chronically sick as a result of liberal social engineering but with the most recent plague of radical Islam being officially honoured and encouraged through bi-culturalism, the sickness has become a terminal illness. I don’t care who it takes …. a Liberal, a Conservative or a Socialist, I’ll support any stripe of politicial who says “Down with bi-culturalism” and “Out with radical Islam”.
set you free, when Cameron throws in the now-obligatory “radical Islam is not representative of all Islam”, then you know he’s just pussyfooting about.
It’s not a case of folding our tents and giving up. It’s a case of knowing a weak man when we see one.
It may be a late recognition of the failure of the policy – – but it is not to late.
Having a political leader say things need to change will allow the masses of people with that opinion to start to make change happen. This is a great start and it is now up to the rest of the English population to do their part.
TJ:
You are not representative of me.
Therefore, we are different.
There are criminals in North America. Does that make all North Americans criminals?
Before you make bold statments about it not being too late for the British to turn things around I suggest you spend some time in jolly old England. The multicultural ship has sailed and it’s not coming back. Cameron is right but it’s way too late.
All I can say is if David “chipmunk cheeks” Cameron is the exemplary manly man standing up for Western values and conservatism and to hell with the appeasers and etc. who’s leading us once more into the breach then we just couldn’t be more scr*wed.
Being back in Canada, the land of dubbed over commercials has sort of ruined Superbowl for me. It wouldn’t be so bad if they had some unique commercials of their own but no, they gotta give us stale, !457*&(&) Canadian content. I forgot the over and over again part.
None the less, it should be a good match-up and I say the Packers by 3 in a low scoring physical game.
Next thing you know Cameron is going to tell us he REALLY is a Conservative.
Sorry Scot but Cameron is parroting the right because the left are scared witless now that multiculturalism has been outed as dangerous to our survival. Proof, here’s some fine upstanding multicultists doing what they do best, hating us.
Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353787/London-embassy-protesters-demand-sharia-law-amid-continuing-chaos-Egypt.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
We have arrived at the point where we must now heed the advise of an NFL coach…..
“WINNING IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING…IT’S THE ONLY THING.”
Consider the reaction, if Hassan, the Fort Hood Shooter, rather than be put in an ambulance had been marched to the nearest lampost? The MSM hoopla of the Tuscon shooting gives ya a clue.
These jihadis have set down the rules…that is the way we should play it….
It worked for Clive in India……
Apologies for posting in the wrong thread.
The UK and much of the Western World as well as China is either economically defunct and/or teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and conservatives want to obsess about Islam. Good to see you have priorities all sorted out and good luck tilting at those crescent wind mills.
That globe and mail article is obscenely stupid. The AKP and more importantly its supporters are moving towards a stricter islam rather than away from it. I dunno how Saunders does it but I would also like to go back in time a few years when the article would be true. Though it’s nice to see the article thoroughly rebuffed in the comments.
and conservatives want to obsess about Islam. Good to see you have priorities all sorted out and good luck tilting at those crescent wind mills.
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Apparently you’ve never lived in an Islamic country?
Why don’t we all admit it….Canadians do not like Muslims….I have never met anyone who has anything to say about them that is good…..
Maybe abolishing all governments everywhere will end islamism and lead to economic prosperity where no market failures occur.
“Why don’t we all admit it….Canadians do not like Muslims….”
I wouldn’t say that. I have Muslim friends who are nice, intelligent people. They are the Muslims who came here to escape the insanity. They assimulate and adapt and fit in quite nicely. I don’t like the Muslims that aren’t here to escape the insanity but to import the insanity.
From the Globe & Mail article:
“Would the Muslim Brotherhood participate in a government that recognizes Israel and works with Western governments? Their leaders, and informed observers, say yes.”
That is strange.
I read yesterday that the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was asked straight out if the MB would continue to support the Camp David Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel and the answer was either, “No comment.” or this:
http://tinyurl.com/62nctma
Looks to me like the G & M is spinning lies again.
Another:
http://tinyurl.com/6fbul4h
speaking of muslims and countries full of muslims, I ask you SDA bloggers again (expecting nothing but sarcasm for the audacity of pointing out the conundrum precipitated by DECADES of support to tyrants sent to the rest of the world) at what point will the present white house (and remember it matters not a hoot which tweedledee tweedledum is in office) express concern for the threat to ‘stability’ in the M.E. and send material support to the mubarak regime? when? not like it’s setting a precedent, they’ve got lots of practice doing this.
y’all have a nice evening clucking away and preaching to the converted now.
Talk is cheap.
beagle>
What are you on about now little beagle?
Aside from changing the topic, it seems that you have a problem with the US government. Go take it up with them.
Last I checked most Canadian conservatives could give a rats ass about Egypt, except to see the pyramids. What else do they have to offer?
Nothing at all.
at what point will the present white house…send material support to the mubarak regime?
Have you seen pictures of those M1A2 Abrams and those M-60 Patton MBTs in the streets of Cairo?
That there is the material support.
The Egyptian Army is the decider of who is going to rule Egypt, not the mobs in the streets, and not the man in the White House.
“More generally, a ‘temporary curtailment of liberties’ will be needed to prevent Islamism from destroying western civilisation.”
Hi, I’m from the guvt I’m here to help you.
Ooooh, the demonstrations coming forthwith from the UK Muslim community will be priceless…
Mentioned it before in another thread but when there is an overthrow of the government by a revolution the vacuum formed is filled not by the meek and the mild urging everyone to get along it will be filled by the most ruthless that desire power.
You don’t seriously BELIEVE what a politician says???
Oz says: “The Egyptian Army is the decider of who is going to rule Egypt, not the mobs in the streets, and not the man in the White House.”
This is undoubtedly correct; the Egyptian Army has the upper hand, and will act to protect the interests of the Egyptian Army. Now why Obama and the U.S. state department don’t seem to understand this is beyond me. They seem to be putting their fingers to the wind to decide what to say next.
I’ll believe “Cameron gets it” when I hear that venal islamo-fascist-bastard Anjem Choudary whining ‘cos he’s been cut off welfare, aka jizya. Did you know that he’s a lawyer?
And when I hear that welfare to multiple wives is stopped.
Which is NEVER.
Does Cameron get “it” to the point where he will revoke Sharia law. No way – won’t happen. They are closing the barn door long after the ponies have left.
The Muslims
PET Cemetery Report.
Just in from Canada’s National Brotherhood Corporation.
CBC edits: >>> “one of Egypt’s most popular opposition groups,”.
AlMohammedan asks, what are you doing for relent?
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“Muslim Brotherhood to join in talks with Egypt officials
CBC.ca – 14 minutes ago
The Muslim Brotherhood, one of Egypt’s most popular opposition groups, has relented and says it will join in talks aimed at finding a solution to the country’s political crisis.”
(al-googoo)
early innings boys….we’ll see how this thing morphs.
i reckon the EDL put the wind up the Cameroonians skirts…
i still see blood though…buckets of blood….
until the bums finally go to their rooms….
“I have Muslim friends who are nice, intelligent people. They are the Muslims who came here to escape the insanity.”
And I bet every last one of them votes Liberal or NDP.
It’s 2:1 in the comments for Cameron being a wuss, which is satisfying to see.
SDA regular Matt has kindly uploaded this video.
Let me repeat the comment I left on YouTube:
Just so we’re perfectly clear on definitions, “multiculturalism” does NOT mean “multiple cultures”. It precisely means that “all cultures are absolutely equal” and thus no one can judge another culture. By extension, this means that you’re a bigot if you frown upon cannibalism, misogyny, and a host of other despicable acts. If you support multiculturalism I hope you’re proud of yourself. I’m not proud of you.
Still waiting for the CBC to cover the Cameron story. That would be a relevant story for Canadians to know about, wouldn’t it? … Still waiting …
Robert, nice video. Hopefully this is a start, if it is not too late already.
I believe john begley has it right. All the happenings since 1979 are only the preliminaries, the main events are coming.
Charles Moore.
// non-violent extremism is an entry-chamber for terrorism itself.[…] Islamist doctrine – […] as the bad thought from which bad actions naturally spring //
So much for the freedom to offend. Mr. Moore, speaking for Cameron, duly expects that people will sanctioned up for their “bad thoughts” [never mind speech]
// Maybe Mr Cameron, that silly young man (text of his speech here)–Dauntless Doug Saunders of course knows better. //
Doug Saunders is younger than David Cameron. You are probably thinking of Colonal Sanders.
In any case, Cameron’s speech is hardly original with him. Both he & the Chairman of his favourite thinktank, the selfsame Charles Moore, have been talking like this for some time. Cameron “gets it” because Moore gave it to him —
In January 2007, PX released a far more wide-ranging report on Muslims and multiculturalism, entitled Living Apart Together. Billed as an attempt to find ‘the reasons why there has been a significant rise in Islamic fundamentalism amongst the younger generation’, its answer was that multiculturalism and Britain’s failure to assert the superiority of its national values had encouraged young Muslims to feel victimised and adopt anti-western views.[2] The report was released to the press to coincide with a speech by David Cameron attacking multiculturalism and Muslim ‘extremists’ who seek ‘special treatment’
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Charles Moore, the current chairman of PX and a former editor of the Telegraph and the Spectator, gave a speech in March 2008 outlining a ‘possible conservative approach to the question of Islam in Britain’. The government, he argued, should maintain a list of Muslim organisations which, while not actually inciting violence, ‘nevertheless advocate such anti-social attitudes that they should not receive public money or official recognition’
Doug Saunders
Commenter’s have to be the most naive, stupid people on Earth. That or it was flooded by Islamists in full Taqiyya mode. Its good that Mr Cameron is starting to see this invasion for what it truly is. Unfortunately he’s a day late & a dollar short. Its Immigration thats killing Britain, along with a Government bureaucracy trying to make infantile a whole Nation.
Took guts though to admit they even had a problem. Most of Europe is still in PC chains.
JMO
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