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Happy Birthday, M1911.
And the Utah legislature has voted to designate it the “State Firearm”. The unhinged apoplexy of leftists is great!
These still used by the Canadian military? I’ve had a number over the years bring them to the shop for engraving.
Every time I’m fascinated how the owners can completely dismantle them in seconds without tools.
All the liberals need to do is stop shooting people and the gun problem will solve itself. Anyone registered as a democrat should have to prove they are not nuts before receiving any firearm.
never used in the Canadian Forces, we used Browning High Powers
Do you think Connecticut would honor Samuel Colt the same way?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Colt
I sent a question off to their State Library to see if Colt is honored, and maybe get the ball rolling to get them to declare a State Gun too.
Any suggestions for Canadian or Provincial guns readers? (Yes, I know there will be a lot of Savage 99 suggestions)
Al Well there is the Ross rifle but we aren’t proud of it.
“never used in the Canadian Forces, we used Browning High Powers”
Must have been their personal guns then. I know at least one customer was an MP of some sort, the others I didn’t ask what positions they were in.
Ross was a fine rifle. Just too finely made for the mud of war. Great target rifles.
Here in Pennsylvania, we have an historical affinity and attachment to the Pennsylvania Long Rifle. This was actually a rifled musket developed in the 18th century by German gunsmiths who had emigrated to Pennsylvania. This was also known as the Kentucky Long Rifle, as pioneers took the weapon westwards. It gave sterling service in war and peace, defending Americans and providing game for the table.
The most famous of the users of the Pennsylvania Long Rifle was Daniel Boone, who used his with great expertise, both in hunting game and, in the Revolution, killing enemy Indians and Redcoat officers. “In 1778 at the siege of Boonesborough, Kentucky, one of the officers of the combined British/Shawnee assault force was hiding behind a tree. He stuck his head out from behind the tree and was instantly killed by a ball to the forehead fired by Daniel Boone, who was known for always firing the same fixed measure load of blackpowder in his rifle. This shot was later confirmed by witnesses on both sides and the distance measured at 250 yards.” An impromptu shot, at 250 yards, nailing the enemy right between the eyes-not shabby shooting!
I love the 1911 — a beautiful example of the gunsmith’s and the machinist’s art. My dad carried one through the South Pacific jungles in the war, and I’ve owned one for many years (but strangely, have yet to murder anyone).
ChrisinMB
With all due respect you are likely mistaken.
Most self appointed firearms experts identify a Walther P38 as a “Luger”.
I carried a P35 for more years than I care to remember and many times even veterans would identify it as a Colt 45…….dispite the vast difference in scale and detail. The P35 field-strips(takes down) much easier/faster than the 1911….and in a much different manner…..(no barrel bushing).
1940…Following the fall of Belgium, the Germans continued to produce the P38 for their own use…however drawings had been spirited to Britain from Liege….then production was began in Canada by THE JOHN INGLIS COMPANY to supply Chiang Ki Sheks Nationalists…..then The Canadian army adopted the P35, then the British airbourne adopted it and then post war the British army proper.
Steve Gunn, a board member of the Gun Violence Prevention Center, told AP: “It’s an embarrassment to the state to have as a symbol that was used only a few weeks ago to kill innocent people.”
Now that there is an incoherent statement.
It means that the Tucson victims were killed by a ‘symbol’.
Next thing you know they’ll be banning symbols.
Oh wait, they’ve already done that in a number of cases.
Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head with a 9mm round from a Glock.
If she had been shot in the head with a Browning M1911 .45, the round would have turned her head into a canoe and she’d be dead today, symbol or no symbol.
edit:
Following the fall of Belgium, the Germans continued to produce the P35 for their own use as a substitute standard…
Yes, we use Browning Hi Powers made at the old Inglis plant in Toronto during WWII. Great gun but they are getting long in the teeth. Some have been replaced by Sigs I think. In a previous life I worked in the weapons repair shop in Petawawa and we were repairing pistols with new slides that all the text on the side was in Chinese. They were made for, but never delivered to the Chinese nationalist forces during WWII. We certainly got our money’s worth out of them.
Steve Gunn is “a board member of the gun violence prevention centre”?
Ha! W@nker.
“With all due respect you are likely mistaken.”
I could easily be wrong with several because I know nothing of handguns, but the MP’s I’m sure it was a 1911. The fellow was quite proud of it, gave a brief history lesson, complained how the short model was illegal in Canada, and excitedly pointed out the wide variety of other models & accessories in a catalog he kept under the foam of the stamped aluminum case.
OZ
Indeed, the lefties are all about symbols and feelings….not facts.
“On the whole, violent crime rates have been falling and rising in inverse proportion to the extent and severity of gun control laws. In America, where 35 states permit qualified citizens to carry concealed handguns, violent crime rates have been dropping. In Britain, where handguns are banned and confiscated, violent crime, including firearms crime, continues to grow.
……….
Irrational opponents have a visceral aversion to guns. It may, perhaps,be modified by hypnosis or psychotheraphy but not by evidence or argument.
Rational opponents have no phobias as such,but they recoil from seeing weapons—symbols of individual sovereignty—in the hands of private citizens. It interferes with their ideal of power that, in their view, ought to belong exclusively to the state. Perhaps such people have a phobia after all: a phobia to liberty.
The gun lobby is usually described as “powerful” in ther media but in fact the anti-gun-lobby is far more powerful and pervasive in most western societies. Being urban and well-connected culturally as well as economically, it has the ear of edministrators and legistlators. A successful lobby well entrenched in the corridors of power is unlikely to be swayed by the statisstical evidence and common sense argument…..”
George Jonas……National Post September 20, 2004
Then there is the cold logic…that the left, who have always resorted to political violence to gain and maintain control, reflexively seek civilian disarmament…except for themselves. OBAMA referred to forming an SA type of organization “as powerful and well equiped as the military”.
Remember well the immortal words of Isokura Yamamoto:
“An invading army would encounter a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
I’d like to nominate a Provincial candidate. How about the T.Eaton single shot 22. Every kid on the prairie grew up shootin’ gophers with one of those while their pa was away overseas probably using a 1911.
How about you guy’s in quebec….got a nomination for a provincial firearm?
I’d nominate the Cooey .22 single shot,as that’s what many of us kids on the Prairies used as our first gun, but I live in B.C. now.
We don’t have a Provincial gun in B.C.,but we DO have TWO Provincial flowers,one official,the other one, not so official but way more popular.
Tom Paine- Strange as it may seem, I haven’t shot anybody with mine, either. I’ve owned three of them, so that means I’m three times more likely not to shoot someone. I was scolded, recently, for not acknowledging the number of pit bulls that have never bitten anyone. Well, I’d like to point out how many millions of North American guns have never killed anyone.
Right now, there are more 1911s being sold to private citizens than ever before. The Chinese models sell like hotcakes in Canada, but are illegal in the US because Norinco was caught selling to terrorists during the Clinton admin.
Most people think of Colt when they see a 1911, but they’ve been built by many manufacturers over the years. Their current popularity has prompted Remington, and others, to start building them again.
It would be a mistake to underestimate the economic impact of shooting sports. North American gun manufacturers provide jobs for a lot of skilled workers.
The M1911 is going to be my next pistol if I can just get to a gun show without my wife along who can’t understand there is no such thing as “too many guns”. Nice that a state has decided to honor elegant and reliable technology.
I wonder if the hoplophobe who was interviewed for the article would destroy his vehicle if someone used the same model of vehicle to kill large numbers of people by driving at high speed into a crowd?
loki- Actually, there is such a thing as too many guns. When there’s no room left in the safe, and you see one you really want, that’s when you have too many. Luckily, my favourite dealer takes trades.
Ummm..Coach…that’s what they sell gun safes for…lol.
Just kidding…got the same problem..when my safe starts getting full I start thinking which guns I can part with to make room. One of these days I’ll have to get my restricted so I can get a 1911 kimber. And maybe a scary glock too.
mmmmm my favorite pet, Kimber Gold Combat II.
Nope guns have never magically made me want to commit any crimes or any harm of any sort. That pretense is simply illogical Liberal fantasy and superstitious fear, based on not trusting themselves.
Funny coincidence. I’m looking at a Kimber right now too. I think I’ll trade my Sig for it.
I own, and have owned, more modern pistols, but the 1911 is still a legitimate contender. In a really desperate situation, you’d probably be better off with a Glock, but that’s mainly because of magazine capacity. It’s a bit like arguing who you’d rather be punched by; Marciano, or Tyson?
I’m with dmorris … kindof. It’s hard not to trip over a Cooey .22 some where. Repeaters rule though.
http://rifles.canadaguns.ca/cooey.html
“Any suggestions for Canadian or Provincial guns readers? (Yes, I know there will be a lot of Savage 99 suggestions)”
How about the brilliant brainchild of Canada’s own John Garand?
coach>
Yea I hear the magazine capacity argument allot. The fact is, in Canada it’s ten rounds max regardless of the pistol. Therefore good 8 round + 1 in the chamber 1911’s are not really that disadvantaged over a Glock or Sig with a plugged magazine and 10 rounds. I prefer the feel of the 1911 single stack grip than the fat double stacks. You can’t fill them anyway.
There are also aftermarket 10 round 1911 mags out there if the extra 2 rounds make a big deal in your shooting. They do protrude from the bottom of the mag-well a bit and make the gun a little ugly IMO, but you do then have a 10 round legally maxed out pistol.
I don’t know which gun I would choose but there are a lot of contenders. We used to have Lakefield Arms of Lakefield Ontario, which still exists, except it is owned by Savage. We had Cooey, which I understand was a metal fabrication company in Cobourg ontario, Which made other peoples sporting arms under license. We had Inglis Appliance in Toronto making pistols and Bren guns. We had Long Branch (which is now a stop on the Queen West street car line) making some of the best Quality Lee Enfields ever fielded, and then FN rifles for the army. We have Dimaco in Kitchener making C7, and C8 rifles for the Canadian army. We had a company in Toronto called Para Ordnance making a highly regarded large grip hi capacity magazine version o the 1911, until they got so much grief from various levels of government that they packed up and moved to the states. There are also probably others. We do have a long and proud tradition of firearms manufacturing in Canada.
meh.
at least they didnt pick the gunman as the state symbol.
come on SDA, admit it, it is rather tacky at a time like this.
Posted by: ChrisinMB at January 27, 2011 9:53 PM
Can’t speak to the Army or Air Force, but the Navy replaced all the HiPowers about 10 years ago or so with Sig P225s when the importance of boarding operations was greatly bumped up. Gone are the days of trying to get over the gunnels while carrying a full size C7 or a Remington 870. Now days it is the MP5, C8 or the 870 with folding stock.
It is tacky, beagle.
Tacky to conflate the 100 year anniversary of a legendary invention with the Tucson massacre that lasted all of 10 seconds.
Is there anything that the Left won’t politicize?
Is there no level below which they won’t stoop?
Steve Gunn and his ilk ought to be embarrassed but as all the regulars at SDA know, shame is not an emotion with which Leftists are acquainted.
(I’d think that the nearly 200 million citizens of their own nations that Socialist governments murdered in the 20th century alone would cause them enough shame as to see the need for civilians to keep and bear arms)
i would have to agree, it is not the guns fault but rather the nut with his finger on the trigger that is the cause of bad things happening.
guns have a very usefull purpose.
the biggest problem is the liberals who think it is always the guns fault.
no, it is the nut with his finger on the triggers fault.
like the arizona shooter, it was his fault and he should be taken out at dawn, tied to a post and shot himself….on public tv, with a warning that the next one who does this will get the same thing.
and insanity is no defence….same sentence…shot at dawn.
and i’m not talkin ten years down the road either.
right after a damn short trial would be good.
I guess that means Steve Gunn is going to try and cancel this years “National Grammar Rodeo” in Canada seeing as grammar was one of the main contributing factors for the shooting.
I mean everyone knows guns don’t kill people, grammar does.
You got it right bygeorge I am behind that 100%.
I mean everyone knows guns don’t kill people, grammar does.
~Expert Tom
Guns don’t kill people, bullets do.
Guns just make them go really really fast.
Gun control issue popping up again? Maybe some should consider dealing with severe paranoid schizophrenics who have a long history of uttering death threats & bizarre behavior first… or would that be too logical?
Gun control issue popping up again?
As long as there are Leftists, the gun control issue will never die.
Allowing citizens to keep and bear arms is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and Leftists have zero respect for the law.
As a Utah resident, and not a gun owner (though I do admire Mr Browning immensely ), my only objection is that all of these state symbols are a waste of time.
Of course, spending time on this, rather than on government doing other things may actually be a good thing. . .
AtlanticJim: “Gone are the days of trying to get over the gunnels while carrying a full size C7 or a Remington 870.”
What!?!? When did they get rid of cutlasses and flintlock pistols? Arrrgh.
Hey I just read that the former liberal Minster of National Defence just got a job with CGI the lizards who provide the software for the Gun Registry..
Shocker
The Liberals have always worked for them. Only difference now is one will actually get a T4 slip at the end of the year.
Canadian Police Associations get a big chunk of funding from them, too.
Woo, I didn’t twig that this is 100 years of the 1911.
I like the Walther PPK better for carry, but the 1911 is a magnificent thing in its own right. Kinda like a Harley.
Now, if the CPC could please get working on killing the gun registry…
Browning was a mechanical genius of the ilk of Edison. 90% of his patents are still employed by manufacturers togay. But we’ll never see his genius celebrated even though his inventions have saved untold American lives and secured Democracy around the world.
Just one more bit of mindless leftoid bigotry to add to the long list.
Guns don’t kill people. Symbols kill people.
ephraim symbolist, jr.>
“Guns don’t kill people. Symbols kill people.”
As do knives, household chemicals, arson, train derailments, fertilizer/ petrol bombs, vehicles of any make, golf clubs…….and on and on…..
All this fondness for gun porn reminds me that’s its been awhile since I’ve had my 1911 out of the safe. Time to remedy that.
I’m currently in possession of an original Spencer Repeater and a Baker musket, converted sometime in the second half of the 19th century to a percussion action. For these and my 1941 Mauser, I remain impressed that ordinary men would lug these around in battle and otherwise, heavy as they are. Especially that Mauser.
THIS would be Canada’s official gun … if any Canadian politician had the nads to use the word ‘gun’ in any context whatsoever.
Abe, your post reminded me of the REAL official gun of Canada: Gerald Bull’s Super Gun.
Read up on Gerald Bull you guys, another in a long, long line of Canadian geniuses screwed over and crushed by the Canadian establishment.