78 Replies to ““I favour a merger of the Liberals and the NDP.””

  1. Can’t see it changing the way I vote. When the L’s are in trouble they go after the NDP. I’m sure Rae hates the NDP. The LaLaLiberal elite aren’t going to take orders from labour and vice versa. The L’s won’t even let the members pick the leader. They are too much alike. They will destroy each other. Jack as PM, man that sucks. There is nowhere left to ship retirement funds to.

  2. I think, given the current INSOLVENCY of socialist Europe, that a coalition of bright pink Liberals and flaming red NDP would be an unmitigated disaster for Canada. We would go broke in one election cycle, just like Ontario did when Bob Rae ran it up on the rocks.
    I do believe I am not alone in my assessment. I do believe I am not the only guy in Ontario that remembers Bob Rae either. Therefore I can only conclude that:
    A) Special K has switched jobs,
    B) his political acumen hasn’t changed for the better, and
    C) if Special K thinks it a good idea for the Liberals, as a Conservative Party of Canada supporter I love it. 🙂

  3. ET: “The post WW population of Canada was about 13 million, with 8 million of that in Ontario and Quebec. This put the political power firmly in the hands of those two provinces. That’s over. Since that time, the population has expanded to 33 million and the area of greatest population and economic expansion has been the West.”
    Ontario/Quebec population as percentage of Canadian population:
    Post-WW – 8 million/13 million = 61.5%
    2009 – 20.9 million/33.7 million = 61.9%
    2036 (projected; medium growth scenario)- 27 million/43.8 million = 61.7%
    “Ontario has moved economically into a ‘have-not’ province.”
    Which signifies nothing beyond the short-term economic outlook. Every other province has received equalization payments at one time or another. There’s no indication or expectation that Ontario will remain a permanent ‘have-not.’ Once the recession lifts, Ontario will become a ‘have’ again, by sheer dint of its population size and economic clout.
    “The area of greatest population growth and economic expansion is – the West.”
    Again, you’re wrong about population growth, but for the sake of the argument, I’ll grant you the economic expansion point. Even then, situated in the appropriate historical context, what we’re seeing is (maybe) the beginning of a move towards a more balanced split between the East and West from the massively unbalanced starting position of more than a century of Eastern economic dominance. Given that Ontario/Quebec are expected to retain the majority of the Canadian population at least over the next quarter-century, it is entirely premature to conclude that economic and political power in the country have permanently shifted to the West.
    “I disagree that there is strong public support for our current public health care system…”
    Of course, there are flaws with and grumblings about the current system. I don’t expect the current system to remain static. But for the present and foreseeable future, Canada’s health care system is and will remain primarily publicly funded. Which is entirely in line with a centre-left view of health care.
    “…that issue is most certainly not settled and there is a strong division in the country about this.”
    I didn’t say it was settled; I said there was strong public support for continued access to abortions. The division in Canada vis-a-vis abortion is not whether it should be allowed or not — public opinion polls consistently log about 80-90+% supporting access to abortions in some form; it’s under what circumstances. About 45-50% say it should allowed under any circumstances, and about the same or slightly less say it should be allowed but with some conditions. Only a small minority want to see abortions banned outright.

  4. Hide-a-bed
    So if such a small minority of Canadians oppose abortion under any circumstances why does the left claim otherwise?
    This should be a non-issue. No?
    Syncro

  5. Adler just announced Apps, the guy that brought Iggy home is upset there is talk about coalition. He said they would do that after the election. In other words, vote and we will let you know who the PM is. Quebec going Conservative?

  6. Just heard on Adler that the President of lpoc has stated to the Red Star that “Our plans for any coalition will come out after the votes are counted” Hopefully the story will come accross the wires shortly but I won’t hold my breath that the G&M or the CBC will be making it a headline in the next couple of days.
    Any unification of the left will mean ALL the left. Chairman Mo is obviously behind this venture and will place his “nephew”, Bob Rae at the helm. There will be a phone call to Lizzy where an offer she can’t refuse will be made.
    All of this is to enrich Chairman Mo and Power Corp. If they were to form government, the first piece of legislation would be the implementation of cap and trade/carbon taxes directly aimed at Alberta. (As soon as Rae is made PM, Chairman Mo will then think it safe to return to Canadian Soil)
    If this were to mean that we in Alberta, with our brothers and sisters in Saskatchewan, BC and even Manitoba were to finally realize that Canada is not meant for us. Perhaps we could achieve a free and independent West, devoid of the elitist, kleptocracy that infects Canada. A place where all are treated equally. Dare to Dream
    Vive L’Alberta Libre, et Saskatchewan, Columbia Britannique et Manitoba aussi!
    Chris in the Bridge
    P.S. “When in the course of human history…”

  7. Even in his student days Bob Rae craved power (I
    was at the U of T at the time and remember the nonsense) and had few scruples
    about how he would obtain it.
    Eventually he did become premier of Ontario, and
    proved inept to say the least at the exercise of
    power. If he had been reasonable as premier he
    might still be there.
    Similarly with Ujjal Dosanjh. I doubt that
    anyone ever really liked Gordon Campbell, who beat Dosanjh.
    Dosanjh had a perfect opportunity to remake the
    BC NDP into a party with some real popular support. And blew it.
    I suppose that Rae and Dosanjh are better men than Clifford Olson, but they’re not as smart.
    If Count Michael really knew what he was doing, he’d have one of his footmen show both of them the door.
    Noblesse oblige, you know.

  8. When taking this poll WK said no conservatives were to answer, so does that mean that many liberals were against such a merger/coalition.
    But then, how would he know. I read the post but did not vote.

  9. @KPD and john begley – yep on both. He can come see me any time – but kindly leave your nutball Fascist friends back in Tirana Ontario, Warren.
    I’ll take him to my local Hon’s (excellent Chinese restaurant) so he can ask if they serve cat.

  10. davenport – you don’t seem to get it.
    The Ontario-Quebec population ratio has remained the same. In actual fact, Quebec’s population has decreased by 2.5% over the past 20 years while Ontario’s has increased by that rate, due primarily to the Quebec exodus and immigration.
    The problem with Ontario’s immigration is that the Liberal immigration policy was to grab them for votes, ignoring the massive costs of social services to provide for a new population that contributed little to the productive aspect of the economy. Now we see Ontario as a have-not province and this is most certainly not due to the recession. What ‘economic clout’?
    You don’t seem to understand the Quebec reality of low population and an enormous fiscal debt and an overwhelming reliance on federal funds – rather than on private enterprise. This degenerate state of the Quebec economy has been commented on by many, including Lucien Bouchard, but Quebecers don’t want to recognize this reality.
    It is the West that has increased its population. And its GDP. Your Liberal Party is ignoring this demographic and economic shift. The fact is that now, 2009, the population of the West is more than that of Quebec; this wasn’t the case back in the Old Guard days of 1970. Alberta and BC together alone are more than that of Quebec. So, your attempt to deny this demographic shift is strange.
    Discussing the future is pure speculation. It’s fun but models of future demographics are not scientific because it’s difficult to include the effects of variables of taxation, political framework, etc.
    So, in your 2036 model, in either the low growth or the high growth, in all cases, Quebec’s population base remains below that of the West.
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100526/t100526b1-eng.htm
    Equally, your attempt to trivialize the ‘have-not’ economic nature of Ontario with the untrue offhand statement that ‘every one gets equaliziation’ is both untrue, and ignores the quantity and frequency of such payments. And, it ignores that Ontario high taxes, massive public unions and bureaucracies have driven many out west.
    Your health care outline equally trivializes the arguments against public care to ‘grumbling’ and ignores the fact that these are not individual anecdotal perceptions but informative studies of the inadequacy of the system.
    Furthermore, your statement that ‘we’ll remain a public health care system’ is a red herring and has absolutely nothing to do with the value or flaws of the system. That is a political decision, and I wasn’t talking about that; I was referring to the operational flaws in a public system – not to political decision-making about an emotional ideology.
    Again you trivialize the opposition to abortion. There may be SOME strong support for abortions but there is equally, SOME strong support against abortions. Don’t play with words. The wording is ‘legal only under certain circumstances’ not ‘allowed but with some conditions’.
    The ratio is about equal for both sides of the debate.
    Again, the Liberal Party is locked into an out-of-date mindset of the post WW era, of a demographic and economic domination of Canada by Ontario-Quebec. We can see that most recently in their support for bilingual supreme court judges, in their support for the gun registry (which is about Maritime jobs not saving lives); their focus on the discredited ‘climate change’; their hostility to the West (oil sands); even, heh, their support for the CBC. I refer you to their Montreal 2010 Summary Report which is a document lacking insight, foresight and commitment.

  11. On the surface of things I would love to see the Liberal party wiped off the electoral map however as I think about it I don’t think eliminating the Liberals would be a good thing for Canada. Having a buffer between normalcy and the lunatic socialists is a good thing when it keeps the lunatic socialists out of office.

  12. Davenport, its just not numbers that drive the economy. Ontario and Quebec are aging rapidly which means huge draws on health care, 46% of the budget. Both provinces have massive numbers of public employees with Ontario now over a million, some 23% of all employees. Private hiring has declined and real wages have not increased in years. Ontario became a have-not province under the Liberals for the first time in its history before this economic crisis and is spending money it does not have at an incredible rate and McGuinty is taxing everything that he can see. Just bought a can of paint yesterday and there is now, brought in this month, a tax on the can!
    In 8 years the TDSB has increased its cost by 30% while enrolment has dropped 13.4%, some 32,000 students.
    Ontario is getting into the Greece range with the same problems and the same limited solutions. Friends and business contacts have noted many times about the upbeat, entreprenurial attitude in places like Calgary while Toronto slips further into the socialist dustbin.
    Young people and their families are moving west for the resource jobs while immigrants are moving into Toronto at a fraction of the earnings of the current population.

  13. Uh-Oh, the jig is up (see comments):
    Mark says:
    June 3, 2010 at 2:49 am
    Smalldeadanimals and their goons highjacked the poll, don`t take the number one result as any sort of any indication as to what people think. Kate is nuts, but we all know that. I support a merger.
    Reply
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    Warren says:
    June 3, 2010 at 6:33 am
    See? The neo-Nazis oppose coalition, too.
    Reply

  14. @Michael H Anderson – Having been on the receiving end of one of WK’s hissy fits, I say beware. As most people know, IP addresses do not give your home address, only a vague idea of where you are.
    He hasn’t set the Police on anyone in awhile so he might be itching to pull that trigger. And only $500? Business must be bad……

  15. Thanks Jeff Mann, but I’m not too worried – my IP seems to suggest I live in either Burnaby or Richmond – oops, WRONG. My wife has a different surname and the phone’s in her bname – no joy there, Fascisti. 🙂
    He’s not allowing my comments in any more, so here was my final (deleted) one for your enjoyment:
    “A parting thought:
    how do you imagine it feels to be called a “child” by someone who has written that their greatest moment in Canadian politics was to publicly mock an opponent’s religious beliefs using a stuffie of a cartoon dinosaur?
    Feels pretty GOOD, I’ll tell ya! :D”
    Dishes it out but can’t take it seems to be the Kinsella M.O. I should have prefaced my initial insult by telling him I’m a immigrant crack dealer; then I’d have gotten humble respect.

  16. Jeff, if you’d care to elaborate I’d appreciate it – how far is he capable of going in protecting his good (chortle) name?
    In closing I think it’s worth mentioning that the only other person in 15 years of Net use who saw fit to publish my email address after commenting on his website was – wait for it – David Icke.

  17. WK is just a hollow man who doesn’t care about facts or the opinions of others, it’s only the empty longing to be associated with purpose that animates his confused mind, that and animosity for anyone who doesn’t share his delusions.
    Just don’t poke the bear.

  18. I’ll send you an email.
    I’m guessing the ones he published are correct?
    Then let’s leave this thread.

  19. Thanks Jeff, I try not to, if I know they’re more than just toothless stuffed bears (or Barneys) in advance. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, given the leftist mindset in general regarding freedom of speech.

  20. Heh…sorry all, but the memories just keep coming. He wants me prosecuted for suggesting I’d like to meet him and give him a poke in the face. I actually had my cheekbone smashed for no reason at all by a Native fellow years ago, and can you guess what happened to him?
    Yeah – nada.

  21. The Librano$ have been out of power for just over 4 years… a merger with their ideological comrades in the NDP, and the coalition with the Separaturds after the last election shows how desperate the Libturds are for power. The Libturd motto: Power at any cost. The Libturds and P’ers wouldn’t have enough support for power without the Separaturds backing them up anyhow. The charade of the Libturds, Separaturds, and P’ers being ideologically different has been exposed as a fraud. Socialists, Separatists, Communists, Marxists, and Trudeaupian cultists are all on the same team. Power is their desire, and pretending to be ideologically different is their game. Do what Trudeau never did, and come out of the closet, the sooner they do that, the sooner the Libturd brand will be flushed down the toilet.

  22. We shouldn’t be so hard on old catsmeat. He’s been hoist on his own leftard quite a bit lately; with his vast straw man argument armies regularly routed on the battlefield of logic. His ass-kicking reputation has been in sorry decline since the high point of his life; his infamous Barney the dinosaur caper.

  23. It seems that the Liberals are so power hungry, they are willing to selfdecstruct and get sucked in by socialist/fascist elements.

  24. Does anyone else think that Donolo was planted into Incky’s inner circle for the purpose of sabatage ? It seems that things have gone from bad to worse for the Igg ever since old’ Cretch’s former henchman Donolo was inserted as Igg’s media filter. I could care less about Iggy, and the Librano$, but it does seem he’s recieving some pretty dodgy advice.

  25. Take two solutions, water & oil. Place them together into one container. That would be an NDP/LIEberal mix. Their coalition.
    Take straight oil and place it in a container next to the water/oil mixture. This would be the conservatives.
    Even though the water/oil mix container is fuller, it is weaker.
    People would, I think, go for the stronger, single solution, the conservatives.
    Do you agree?

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