Tim in vermont – “Makes you just have a warm fuzzy to see the anti Arizona immigration law demonstrators give gang signs.”
108 Replies to “How Do You Say “Deport Me” In Sign Language?”
The real problem is that the federal govt (that’s Obama) is not doing its constitutional duty of securing the borders. Why?
Because it wants to appeal to the large hispanic population of the USA. For votes. That includes the illegals who might get a driver’s licence and might need only that..to vote. No proof of citizenship.
It’s all about power. For the Obama Gang.
I don’t know. How do you say “police state” in sign language? Because that’s what Arizona is now.
Instead of “Fire them all!” how about “Deport them all!”
Yeah! Deport them-take that people who want to feed their children and are desperately needed for labor and debt repayment!
Hey CYTOTOXIC
I would like you to justify soemone being in the U.S. ILLIGALLY as apose to the many hundreds of thousands who are waiting in line and going the proper route how do you say it is o.k. to back door america and slap others in the face by doing it LEGALLY …your a complete idiot …i don’t care who it is and niether does the bill …it is time to get rid of all of them all ..they are illigally stealing american jobs ..not to mention i am not stupid americans also want them there as well the fat selfish pig’s who would selll there country down the stream as well they are just as guilty i would make it so that any company being a two man painting company ..or a multi billion dollar company that is caught employing illegals is fined a million dollars for each illegal caught working ..period don’t care about race at all . I want you to defend your view i want you to explain why an illegal has more right to be here than someone who is here legally .
paul in calgary
Fuera de La Raza nada, Viva La Raza!
For the race everything, outside the race nothing, Long live the race!
Read articles on what life is like now in border states like Arizona. One rancher says it is like locusts have crossed the land. Fences torn down repeatedly, garbage stewn everwhere as the illegals just drop their stuff as they move through, everything is stolen, cars, equipment. The federal officials will pick up injured Mexicans and drop them off outside local hospitals, which have to treat them from local taxes, to avoid using federal funds.
My wife’s nephew lives outside of Alice, Texas and his wife, who is of Mexican heritage herself, just last week stood outside her backdoor and pointed a rifle at 5 Mexican men walking through her backyard towards the house and ordered them off her land. Her mother used to help migrants but not the ones coming today and so many.
Posters like Cytotoxic have zero knowledge of what is going on in the border states and just spout the lefty line from the safety of Toronto. Can’t we all just get along..yeah right.
cytotoxic – your ‘appeal to pity’ argument with ‘they only want to feed their children’ is sheer rubbish. Every family wants to feed their children – and the best ones do it legally. Not illegally. And pay their taxes so that they are actually paying for their children attending the local schools, paying for the nice clean highways, water supply, garbage pickup, and hospital care. Illegals do none of that.
Oh, and since they don’t pay any taxes for their children’s education and medical care, then they get to send a LOT of money – in the billions of dollars – back to their relatives in Mexico.
That means that Mexico doesn’t have to provide JOBS for those relatives. And doesn’t have to provide hospitals, schools, roads, water, garbage pickup and decent housing for these people.
And don’t try the ‘slave argument’ either. It’s just as invalid as the ‘appeal to pity’ one. These people are doing jobs that the employers would have to pay more for, if they weren’t illegals. BUT, the overall loss to the citizenry is that the money goes..woosh..out of the country back to those relatives in Mexico. And, with no taxes, it doesn’t pay for those schools and hospitals and..that the illegals make excellent use of.
So, try again. This time, try for some facts. And logic.
Please explain why they come here – illegally. Rather than legally. Is it because if they were legal, it would cost them more? They’d have to pay taxes? And wouldn’t be able to support the entire extended family back in Mexico?
Lots of room for them in Toronto. David Miller, Jack and Olivia will take a few families in.
when i came upon a beaner riding on my train who was looking for Wenatchee to pick fruit but ended up in Canada i allus took pity on the poor little fellers…always stunted in stature and always hungry so i’d grub them up and give them a few dollars to ‘jog’ along with….and advise them in my inadequate spanish to stay awhile..things will look up…you’re in a good country campesino…
but in the USA it’s a different proposition altogether…anyone denying the implications of this unfettered onslaught on American sovereignty is an NDPer of the American stripe..
hasta la vista..
How do you say “police state” in sign language? Because that’s what Arizona is now.
Enforcing laws is a “police state”?
It’s called illegal immigration because it’s illegal, numbskull.
[quote]I want you to defend your view i want you to explain why an illegal has more right to be here than someone who is here legally .[/quote]
paul in calgary
Paul,
They can’t explain because they are butt ignorant. I am an American in Arizona, and understand the LEGAL methodology of immigration better than most of the so called lawyers (I went through the system as I was born in Canada) I will try to explain the “rights” under federal law of a “LEGAL” Alien
A) You must carry your Visa/Green Card
B) You must maintain a valid foreign Passport
C) You are not free to travel outside of the USA, while you are in the process, without prior approval
It should become clear that US State or Federal authority may (now shall) ask to see your documents…It’s US Federal LAW
The State of Arizona is 100% Right…this action will piss off both Republican & Democrat gangsters that have interests in drugs & crime
This is not about Workers or those that want a better life… they are the smoke screen….
Watch who cries the most!
Yeah! Deport them-take that people who want to feed their children and are desperately needed for labor and debt repayment!
Posted by: Cytotoxic at April 23, 2010 9:25 PM
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First of all Cytotoxic,history has proven there is nothing,absolutely NOTHING more EXPENSIVE than cheap labour.
Secondly Cytotoxic,how can an ultra-liberal like YOU expect millions of 3rd world non-whites to pay off the debts rung up by 1st World White people?
Why thats,thats RACIST! LOL!
Some would say that US is a republic governed by laws. The abstract is noble. Of course laws are made by self interested parties with total disregard of the plebeians.
Anyway, there, apparently is a law in the US that governs the immigration, aliens and such. It is likely that most of the world’s countries have such laws.
There are laws in the US that prescribe, that you have to meet certain conditions to reside in the country. If you are visiting by acquiring visa, there is a time limit that says that you can stay for such and such time. In order to extend your stay, you have to go through procedures or a bureaucrat whose job it is, can say, you’re outta here.
Now it seems that the term to be used for those that cross the border without a visa or any other document that would enable them to stay it the US legally is, “illegal alien”. It is what it is. You can argue until the flies die, it is what it is.
How is it that whatever is illegal in the US, it is a kind of paper illegal, they don’t really mean it. It seems the US laws are institued for the appearance sakes rather for actual effect on the conduct of people.
Oh for the local plebeians it would be different; they could end up in jail in no time flat if the sheriff thinks that he needs to show some activity.
Or for a Canadian that has a same name as some bad guy, wow. This happened to an acquaintance, he was crossing border with his wife to go to have a meal in a US bordertown, the US customs guys, made him and his wife spread eagle, handcuffed them, right in front of everybody waiting at the border. He told me the story right after it happened, my wife and I had a meal where they came right after being let go. If you are not familiar with frequent border crossing, it is common. Your neighbors, people you know, go across for shopping all the time.
Altogether a very strange set of circumstances.
The big difference is guns and drugs. There was a rancher killed a week or two ago. He had tried to get help for years. He set water tanks out and maintained them so illegals would not perish. He was shot and killed. That type of thing didn’t happen often before. He would turn them over to be sent back and they would try again.
The rules have changed with drug mules instead of farm workers and Arizona has been deserted by their country. They went after Sheriff Joe for checking for illegals and he had to fight the Feds in court.
Arizona is serving notice.. either help or get out of the way.
The life of a legitimate immigrant can be a lonely one. He or she is isolated from a cultural, linguistic and socio-political environment with which he or she is familiar. Nevertheless, because he (or she) wishes to stay in Canada (or the US), he works hard. He learns English, studies, takes any job he can get and tries to fit in the best he can. THIS is the person we should support in any way possible, not the lazy, self-important culturally ignorant persons with a sense of entitlement. How can we make demands on one set of immigrants but not another? The slap in the face isn’t so much to the native-born citizen as it is to the immigrant who worked him butt off to adapt to a new country.
Anyone (or political party) who caters to this laziness by putting up with culturally ignorant attitudes (RE: Sharia law) or letting someone get by on an unofficial language is just as bad as the idiot who wants ALL immigrants gone because he plain doesn’t like foreigners.
At this distance….Canada….the image I get is vastly different that that of Cytotoxic who is blindly following a political agenda.
OBOZO et al want the illegals as a power base to further their unconstitutional coup. They have in mind an amnesty…Obamacare’s true purpose is to support that illegal constituency.
The Arizona legistlative initiative is a reaction to the violent anarchy currently there. The flood is drug related for the most part….the gang gestures/hand signals are evident of the true nature of the illegals.
That border zone is now a very dangerous place.
This Arizona immigration law may be the “fort Sumpter” of the next civil war. OBOZO et al will oppose this—it threatens their agenda….
Arizona is defiant…..they have had enough….
@Everyone who disagrees with me: you are all wrong and your arguments woefully ignorant. There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it. Drug prohibition causes crime, yes, but not immigration. Second, it is virtually impossible for unskilled immigrants to get into the US past their vast bureaucracy-they’re illegal act of working in America is a moral act. No one’s rights are violated. But when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated. Cheap labor is bad? Tell that to China. And the Industrial Revolution. If you don’t like the lack of tax payment, it’s called a “sales tax” and every economist with a brain argues for it.
I generally despise conservatives for their fake commitment to smaller government/ignorance of what that actually means, and this only vindicates it.
Cytotoxic, you miss the bigger picture. People are sick and tired of government, and change is brewing.
Tea parties, Arizona’s immigration law, HST protest in British Columbia, and so on.
Ordinary citizens have had enough of useless governments and their asinine politically correct policies.
This decade will be the decade when ordinary people cut government down to size.
Characters like Obama represent the last great hurrah of the old way of doing business.
Cytotoxic at April 24, 2010 1:21 AM
I generally despise conservatives for their fake commitment to smaller government/ignorance of what that actually means, and this only vindicates it.
Cycotic! you have got to be one of the most lala liberal sheeple I have read on this blog in a while…other than T!
You can argue statistics and numbers all day and night, but to those who can see through the numbers and see the twisting of those numbers for an ideological slant is absolutely laughable.
What do you think the ancient saying “strong fences make good neighbours” refer to? Any idea? You say drug prohibition causes crime. Duh!!! You know the law says don’t be in possession of drug, you carry drugs, that makes you a criminal. You enter the country illegally, you are guilty of a criminal offence against that country. They all know it, but they still do it.
Chinese workers, work in China and get Chinese wages for products they produce for the foreign markets. The Mexicans have factories, making products at Mexican wages for the foreign markets(mainly the US and Canadian markets). That helps us get cheaper goods and they reap the benefits of steady income. It is a win-win.
May I suggest you shut off CNN and CBC for about one year and do some thinking for yourself and when you mind has detoxified enough, maybe we could have a coherent and realistic blog session. Detach from the mother ship, demand your brain back!!!
HILARIOUS! I, an Objectivist, am being told to embrace an anti-government zeitgeist by people who want the government to interfere with the right of people to voluntarily enter America and work. “To save the freedom, we had to destroy the freedom”.
And I’m still waiting for that evidence. Or any sign of a logical or moral basis. Simply saying that anything the government considers a crime in terms of movement of people is bad is not logical or moral. It’s the very basis of statism, hypocrites.
hahah … cystotoxic ….. the purpose of the law is to protect lawful citizens.
It is not for the benefit of the government but for the benefit of the citizens the government serves.
Since when is objectivist a synonym for ignorant moron?
Apparently since you claimed to be one.
Of course. All government laws are good. They are here to protect us. In the case of immigration, WHAT ARE THEY PROTECTING US FROM?!? LABOR?!? COMPETITION???
basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.
Just change Americans to Marxists.
What disharmonious BS by the race baiter in Chief.
I just hope more States act to protect themselves from this Socialist ideologue.
Its the only way America can really survive this Coup by radicals.
JMO
I agree with Milton Friedman on this issue – I am all
for completely open borders provided that the welfare states in adjoining juristicitions are equal. This is decidedly not the case between the US and Mexico and while there are significant differences btwn the US and Canada they are becoming less so. The entitlement bonanza that is the US in the eyes of those to the south of it places enormous burdens on that entitlement system while making the illegals vulnerable to exploitation from all sides including the democrats.
Instead of fighting the Arizonan’s desperate initiative, Obama should be pledging to fast-track the completion of the border fence which would end the issue within a generation. But that would be bad politics in his and his minion’s eyes.
“Of course. All government laws are good. They are here to protect us. In the case of immigration, WHAT ARE THEY PROTECTING US FROM?!? LABOR?!? COMPETITION???
Posted by: Cytotoxic at April 24, 2010 2:16 AM ”
I thought it was pretty simple: paying the bill.
Of course if there wasn’t a demand for their cheap labour they wouldn’t be here, but hiring them is already illegal so why not attack a supply/demand issue from both ends?
Where is T? I’m missing T.
I want a laugh and Cytotoxic needs a friend and ideologue.
Trolls like T and Cytotoxic serve to remind and make you realise how truly insane the fascists really are.
“right of people to voluntarily enter America and work.”
Really? “right” where? I guess that is all spelled out in your neo-objectivist manifesto you probably have laying around somewhere?
Is it objective truth that when unemployment is 10 percent plus that there is a desperate need for unskilled labor?
I have lived in Florida, where certain jobs are pretty much only done by illegal labor very cheaply, and Vermont, where those selfsame jobs act a an economic life line.
I was torn between sending that snapshot of the news to Kate, or another wide shot of the crowd that Anderson Cooper later said numbered in the “thousands.”
cyto….your right …IMMEGRATION is genrally o.k. …we are not talking about IMMEGRATION we are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION …there is a difference dip sh$t..and yes if you look around you can see that illegals are ruining hospitals in california ..they are sneaking drug’s across the boarder for rich ignorant americans who again like i said would sell there country down the river just to make a buck to me they aren ot americans ..but whatever you are really brainless and if the govornment see’s no need to immigrate people oh well to bad so sad it is america and it is americans who decided not mexicans or canadians or the taliban or who ever else to decide who comes and goes …cyto you really are stupid all the acedamia in the world cannot connect you to reality your to stupid and liberal you pulling for criminals and hostage takers and rapist’s and drug smugglers why do you think they try to come here illegally they don’t want to be caught they know they are going to do something ILLEGALLY and maybe not all of them have an evil mission but just going that route out of your bleeding heart described desparation for a better life is inexcusable you do the best you can with what you got …if america is soo bad and terrible why don’t you leave and let make some room for the millions and millions that are willing to sell there own children just to have a chance to come to america ..you stupid ignorant piece of garbage what about honest hard working american citizens that are graduating and going to look for a job even if it is in a factory making a lower wage so what they are entitled to that position over and illegal anyday of the week …go hang yourself you waste of skin . And cheap labour is the most expensive becasue of all of the bueracracy ,crime and all of the other stuff they create on top of withc they don’t pay taxes either …so again put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger !!!
Paul in calgary
You people are all just Imperialist, capitalist running dog Zionist exporters of the people. That’s why my Neo-Objectifascist Manifesto demands that you allow thousands of illegal Mexicans to stream across the border and work for you as near slaves.
Why if you only adopted the wise policies of Marxist nations and their immigration policies, like Cuba, China, and North Korea, everything would be A-Okay!
cytotoxic – your ‘arguments’ are grounded in ignorance and arrogance. You are NOT correct but incorrect.
You wrote: “Everyone who disagrees with me: you are all wrong and your arguments woefully ignorant. There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it. Drug prohibition causes crime, yes, but not immigration. Second, it is virtually impossible for unskilled immigrants to get into the US past their vast bureaucracy-they’re illegal act of working in America is a moral act. No one’s rights are violated. But when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated”
First, you have no argument; you are simply stating your opinions. No facts, no evidence, no logic.
Second, we are talking about illegal immigration not legal immigration. Don’t merge the two terms. Legal and illegal are two different words.
Third, there IS a link between illegal immigration and crime. First, it’s a crime to enter a country that doesn’t allow you in. A nation has the legal and moral right to define its citizens. Another nation does not have the legal and moral right to ignore this.
There is no proof that taking out the prohibition of drugs will reduce crime; there is a great deal of evidence that the use of drugs causes crime and is a great economic and medical burden on a state. Your illogical base here is that you feel that IF something that is physically harmful is legal, THEN, no harm will result. False.
No, the reason that unskilled workers can’t move as legal immigrants to the US is not because of some vast bureaucracy. It’s because they are unskilled. What should be done?
Well, Mexico should provide an economic and educational infrastructure to these people so they will obtain skills. Instead, Mexico ignores this vast set of their population and fobs them off to the US. Mexico concentrates on a middle class enrichment. It relies on the lowest class to flee to the US where they work for low wages but since they pay no income tax and no other taxes- they have SURPLUS money to send home, in the billions per year, to support the relatives that the Mexican govt refuses to support.
So Mexico both doesn’t have to use ITS TAX MONEY to provide for this lowest class or educate them…it also gets the relatives and elderly of this class supported..by US dollars. Neat. Do you agree with this tactic of Mexico?
There is nothing morally right about their illegally working in America. But there IS something amoral about their working in America and not contributing to the services which they make such extensive use of: sending their children to public schools but paying NOTHING for this service; using all the health facilities but paying NOTHING for this service; using all the public services of the state but paying NOTHING for this service.
Paying NO TAXES..which is why their wages are so low…and sending all the saved money back to Mexico to assist their families because Mexico provides NOTHING for these relatives.
Could you explain why the US taxpayer should support the poor of Mexico when Mexico refuses to educate and enable these people to have an economy IN Mexico? Please explain the economic and moral value of this.
How about answering some REAL QUESTIONS, cytotoxic. So far, you haven’t deal with hard questions; you just spout your emotional, empty opinions…ungrounded in fact and reality.
oh, and cytotoxis, your belief that:
“when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated”
is pure vapid nonsense.
The US govt does NOT arbitrarily block immigration. These people never apply and would be refused. Because they are unskilled, uneducated and unable to work for REGULAR wages in the US. The REGULAR wages would include deductions for: income tax, education tax, state and municipal services such as health and roads and garbage etc.
Since their wages do NOT include these taxes but are high enough for sustenance, these people live cheaply and send BILLIONS back to their relatives in Mexico to support them. Mexico does nothing for these people except to fob this entire class off on the taxpayers of the US. Do you agree with this?
Stop flinging the term ‘right’ around as if it were confetti. There is no such thing as a ‘right to employ’ anyone. Nor is there a ‘right’ to work for anyone. Do you know why? Because these are not rights BUT CHOICES. It’s called freedom. Rights are necessities and exist outside of free choice.
So, there is no right to work for anyone; you have a choice whether to do so or not. There is no right to hire someone; you have a choice whether to hire them or not. Could you explain why you consider that an employer must, of necessity, hire someone who will be a burden on his fellow taxpayers? Please explain why the taxpayer must pay his taxes, and always higher taxes, to support a large population who do not support themselves?
And don’t try the ‘the food is cheaper’ because that’s such a stupid argument it’s beyond belief. The lettuce may be cheaper but the whole Cost of Living goes higher because that same lettuce-eating taxpayer must pay MORE taxes to support the schools, hospitals, roads, etc..that the non-paying illegal worker uses! Get it?
Try for some facts rather than the superficial opinions.
ET, “you just spout your emotional, empty opinions…ungrounded in fact and reality.”
Haven’t you just underlined what the left is all about?
dave – yes, that’s what the left is all about. Fiction not fact.
What gets me is how they hide the lack of facts by cloaking it in a burqa of irrelevant emotional hogwash, such as ‘it’s their right to work’; and ‘all they want to do (sniff) is feed their (starving)children’.
They introduce emotional ‘appeals to pity’; that’s a constant tactic. And of course, there’s always the presumed morality of their opinion. Neither claim has any validity but it’s difficult to confront an emotional and irrational opinion..simply because it’s not based on facts or reason. It’s just an opinion.
It’s like me saying: ‘angels exist’. When you demand factual proof, I can declare that you, the unbeliever, have no capacity to see them. But that ‘wise people’ are able to, and so, have made LOTS of paintings about them. So there. And that it’s my moral right to believe what I want to believe in. That’s what’s fun about the virtual world of the leftist. No need for empirical factual evidence. It’s ALL IN THE MIND of the believer. Heh.
cytotoxic is the typical liberal troll who has never been to Arizona, and knows nothing about the problems he’s talking about.
Last week Arizona passed a law repealing the license requirement for concealed carry of a firearm. Now you can carry open or concealed without a license.
One of the reasons they did that was the -large- increase in kidnapping and home invasions over the last five or six years. People need to go armed because of Mexican drug gangs operating in Phoenix, Nogales, and Tucson. They need to go armed,that bears repeating.
Another reason the license was repealed is that the state government of Arizona DOESN’T HAVE ANY MONEY. A major reason for that, comprising as much as 25% of costs in estimates I’ve seen, is providing services to illegals. Who do not pay taxes.
Here’s an example of what happens when a government fails to curb the activities of Mexican drug gangs: http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/04/gun-control-working-as-expected-in.html
“In a bold predawn attack, gunmen stormed a hotel Wednesday in the heart of the northern city of Monterrey and kidnapped at least three people, officials said.”
Nobody cares if Mexicans come to Arizona to work, any more than they care if Canadians do. They care if Mexicans come to Arizona for a free lunch and a soft target to extort goodies from.
Not to mention the hundreds who get left to die in the desert by the coyote people smugglers every year. Yes, more than 100 dessicated, chewed corpses of Mexican men, women and children discovered in the desert, every year.
And metric tonnes of discarded belongings. And broken fences, stolen equipment, dead cattle and etc. Look it up.
So cyto, either do some research into what you’re yammering about, or shut the f- up. You can cry “RACIST” all you want, but we all know your protestations come from ignorance and hate, not the loving concern for the little guy that you like to pretend. Typical liberal, in other words.
Immigration is not always such a great thing. Some cultures create successful societies and some don’t. If a culture that creates a successful society is swamped by immigrants from a culture that doesn’t, how long is that successful culture going to survive for? As Mark Steyn noted recently, 40% of Brussels school children are now Muslims. Wait until that generation grows up. The culture that created Brussels will be gone and the culture that created Arabia will be there and the civilization will be gone. Brussels will become a dump that no civilized people will want to live in, which has already happened, which is why they are all leaving.
Same thing is happening to L.A. In the 50’s it was the great up and coming US city, now it is swamped with people from cultures that have not demonstrated any ability to generate a successful city, and it is dieing.
nice post, phantom. Thanks.
cytotoxic – how about answering some factual questions that we’ve posed here? Not with opinions from your virtual world but real world facts.
Tell us why those people leave Mexico. Isn’t there work for them back home? No? Why not? What’s the Mexican govt doing about education, about providing an infrastructure for industrial development so that they do have jobs? Nothing? Why not?
Why do you support the financial burden on the US taxpayer whose taxes must cover the common needs not only of themselves but must also support this set of people who do not contribute to these common expenses?
When you reply, don’t give us more unsubstantiated opinions (i.e., ‘arbitrary bureaucracy of the US immigration)..and more illogical opinions about ‘right to hire someone’. Give us the reality and the facts to support your opinions.
Those illegal immigrants haven’t done anything illegal.
btw cyto baby, the true joke is that if it wasn’t for the liberal no-sparrow-shall-fall welfare state, there wouldn’t be any illegal immigration. They’d have all stayed home.
You put sugar on the ground, ants come. You take the sugar away, the ants go. You don’t have to hate the ants to know that.
But you do have to be a liberal to hate people for saying it.
Sugar is a social construct of White-centro imperialsim! You Zionist running dog! I am right, you are wrong, you viewpoint does not matter! Don’t you know right and wrong is an imperialist construct of Chistocentric colonialism, oh wait……
Thanks ET.
I lived in AZ for years, and these days I winter there. I see the damage caused by this uncontrolled migration, and it makes me pretty mad when useful idiots gas off about the “poor helpless Mexicans”.
Watching Barry trying to make political hay out of this is really burning my thrusters too. Guys are getting killed by these drug cartel scumbags. Joke’s over.
Yes, Obama is turning this into a political tactic for hispanic votes. For him…sorry, Him.
The thing about Obama is that he never, ever, does anything for anyone else. Never. It’s always and only about Himself.
He’s working for the Socialist Gang who put him in power.. a non-descript, easily bored, inexperienced, lazy, arrogant and ignorant nobody whose only skills were a personal psychological ability, honed since he was a ten-year old, to misinform and emotionally manipulate people.
Their agenda is to insert statism into the US system – and to do this rapidly before anyone can mount a defense. They have no morality and no compunction about backroom deals, bribes, threats, lies, and blackmail of members of Congress, and emotional manipulation of the public.
They are doing this as fast as they can – in one year, statist health care, cap-and-trade, ownership of GM, takeover of banks, reduction of power of Congress, reduction of power of states..and a steady attack against individual freedoms.
With regard to their foreign policy, they have totally alienated allies, strengthened enemies and enabled them to obtain nuclear weapons, rejected realities such as Islamic fascism. Russia, Iran and Venezuala are becoming an important bloc against the West.
Obama? He’s ignorant and indifferent about all this. His goal is strictly personal; narcissistic preening. As he constantly reminds everyone: ‘I’m the President’.
“CryptoFascistToxicity at April 24, 2010 10:19 AM
Don’t you know right and wrong is an imperialist construct of Chistocentric colonialism, oh wait……”
The hate and anger you have towards the Judeo/Christian heritage of the West is starting to show through. It all makes sense now.
Try going to a Muslim country and have a beer or go for a walk with your wife and not have her cover her head, then stop and, in the throws of passion, plant the mother of all tonsil-hockey kisses on her, and see what happens.
You have no idea how fortunate you are to have an education (taught at the U of Ottawa, no doubt), and had all that nasty, anti-capitalistic skooling! I’ll take wild guess and say you got straight (opps! homophobic language) A’s?
Posted by: ET at April 23, 2010 10:15 PM
Well spoken, ET, but it falls upon deaf ears. Like all liberal drones, cycotoxic is immune from reasoned debate: he only “feels”, and is guided by those feelings. If anybody disagrees with the “feel good” mantra they espouse, why those miscreants must be racists, homophobes, islamophobes… whatever. “There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it”
That statement is proof cystowhatsit doesn’t intend itself to be taken seriously; you couldn’t pen that with a straight face. Talk to some Toronto cop sometime, dimwit, about the increase in city crime with the increase in unfettered jamaican immigration. Twenty years ago julian fantino (when he was a real cop, and not a paid mcguinty stooge) published the figures: blacks were only 8% of the city’s population but had a crime rate at more than three times that.
And before you – predictably – call me a racist, I note that some of the strictest critics of jamaican immigration I knowe met are jamaican ex-pats themselves: good, hard-working decent people who hate the image that the lowlifes have given them, the same vermin we allow into the country without scrutiny.
Any country not bent on self-destruction reserves the right to scrutinize whom they allow to live there, and to deny anyone access who may add to the country’s decay. And if extra study is given to those from crime-ridden countries, or those areas that profess publicly to hate the West and what it stands for… tough.
Political correctness kills, and I’d rather it not kill me or mine. Fools like cycowhatever never realize this, and – ironically – usually never wear the scars of their own ignorance.
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MHB, Fantino’s stats were only about the Jane/Finch area not the whole city. As you stated the population for just this area was about 8% with 80-85% of muggings, robberies etc. done by blacks, primarily Jamaicans. Every area of Toronto that is reported as “troubled”, “crime ridden”, “challenged” you will find have the same racial group behind its crime stats. Not one politician said Fantino’s stats were wrong but loudly criticized him for stating them. After 1989 no further stats were collected by race. Guess they hoped the problem would go away if we hid our eyes.
Human rights gone wrong.
You have to remember that cytotoxic and his ilk need some kind of perceived oppression then need to fight against.
It’s becoming clearer and clearer that those arguments are always framed in the noble (in their eyes) struggle against the man (or whoever is responsible for their natural unhappiness).
Throughout its history, America has welcomed millions of immigrants who apply to enter the country and are accepted.
If America or any other country needs labour, it is entirely that country’s right to grant the privledge (not human right) of entering that country.
It is the right of any sovereign country to determine how many immigrants it will take in. Canada, after all, has immigration targets.
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are basic human rights.
Freedom to hop over borders without documentation is NOT a human right.
Tell us please, cytotoxic … is it your human right to fly to Britain, then stay there and claim you now have all the rights of British citizens without contacting the immigration department?
If not, why not?
“It’s going to change our lives,” said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. “We can’t walk to school any more. We can’t be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we’re illegal immigrants.”
Wow. 13 years old and already fully trained to hate cops.
Phillip P. Shaw – summarized perfectly!
Cytotoxic – you have the same Bolshevik disease of many Liberanos/Dippers/Progressives that I have encountered :
‘Cheap labor is bad? Tell that to China. And the Industrial Revolution. If you don’t like the lack of tax payment, it’s called a “sales tax” and every economist with a brain argues for it’.
For some odd reason, you believe in your feeble mind that ‘some’ people wish to be the slaves of others and those ‘others’ are ALWAYS the ideology of the ‘progressive’ persuasion. Your ilk like to refer to ‘your maid’, ‘your driver’, ‘your nanny’ – never giving those ‘servants’ names (I, Ruby comes to mind); the Chinese people are as human as you and if you had the courtesy to ask them, I will wager that not one of those people enjoy their status as a slave.
All employees have names – these names should be used BEFORE the clarification in context, IMO. Proper immigrants wish to be citizens with a Proper name of their own, not a Common employer based designation.
Congratulations Arizona – you have made a gigantic leap for individual Freedom.
The real problem is that the federal govt (that’s Obama) is not doing its constitutional duty of securing the borders. Why?
Because it wants to appeal to the large hispanic population of the USA. For votes. That includes the illegals who might get a driver’s licence and might need only that..to vote. No proof of citizenship.
It’s all about power. For the Obama Gang.
I don’t know. How do you say “police state” in sign language? Because that’s what Arizona is now.
Instead of “Fire them all!” how about “Deport them all!”
Yeah! Deport them-take that people who want to feed their children and are desperately needed for labor and debt repayment!
Hey CYTOTOXIC
I would like you to justify soemone being in the U.S. ILLIGALLY as apose to the many hundreds of thousands who are waiting in line and going the proper route how do you say it is o.k. to back door america and slap others in the face by doing it LEGALLY …your a complete idiot …i don’t care who it is and niether does the bill …it is time to get rid of all of them all ..they are illigally stealing american jobs ..not to mention i am not stupid americans also want them there as well the fat selfish pig’s who would selll there country down the stream as well they are just as guilty i would make it so that any company being a two man painting company ..or a multi billion dollar company that is caught employing illegals is fined a million dollars for each illegal caught working ..period don’t care about race at all . I want you to defend your view i want you to explain why an illegal has more right to be here than someone who is here legally .
paul in calgary
Fuera de La Raza nada, Viva La Raza!
For the race everything, outside the race nothing, Long live the race!
Read articles on what life is like now in border states like Arizona. One rancher says it is like locusts have crossed the land. Fences torn down repeatedly, garbage stewn everwhere as the illegals just drop their stuff as they move through, everything is stolen, cars, equipment. The federal officials will pick up injured Mexicans and drop them off outside local hospitals, which have to treat them from local taxes, to avoid using federal funds.
My wife’s nephew lives outside of Alice, Texas and his wife, who is of Mexican heritage herself, just last week stood outside her backdoor and pointed a rifle at 5 Mexican men walking through her backyard towards the house and ordered them off her land. Her mother used to help migrants but not the ones coming today and so many.
Posters like Cytotoxic have zero knowledge of what is going on in the border states and just spout the lefty line from the safety of Toronto. Can’t we all just get along..yeah right.
cytotoxic – your ‘appeal to pity’ argument with ‘they only want to feed their children’ is sheer rubbish. Every family wants to feed their children – and the best ones do it legally. Not illegally. And pay their taxes so that they are actually paying for their children attending the local schools, paying for the nice clean highways, water supply, garbage pickup, and hospital care. Illegals do none of that.
Oh, and since they don’t pay any taxes for their children’s education and medical care, then they get to send a LOT of money – in the billions of dollars – back to their relatives in Mexico.
That means that Mexico doesn’t have to provide JOBS for those relatives. And doesn’t have to provide hospitals, schools, roads, water, garbage pickup and decent housing for these people.
And don’t try the ‘slave argument’ either. It’s just as invalid as the ‘appeal to pity’ one. These people are doing jobs that the employers would have to pay more for, if they weren’t illegals. BUT, the overall loss to the citizenry is that the money goes..woosh..out of the country back to those relatives in Mexico. And, with no taxes, it doesn’t pay for those schools and hospitals and..that the illegals make excellent use of.
So, try again. This time, try for some facts. And logic.
Please explain why they come here – illegally. Rather than legally. Is it because if they were legal, it would cost them more? They’d have to pay taxes? And wouldn’t be able to support the entire extended family back in Mexico?
Lots of room for them in Toronto. David Miller, Jack and Olivia will take a few families in.
Why don’t they stay in Mexico and FIX MEXICO!
Everybody has to stay put and fight it out.
Sucks when you are disarmed though:
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm
when i came upon a beaner riding on my train who was looking for Wenatchee to pick fruit but ended up in Canada i allus took pity on the poor little fellers…always stunted in stature and always hungry so i’d grub them up and give them a few dollars to ‘jog’ along with….and advise them in my inadequate spanish to stay awhile..things will look up…you’re in a good country campesino…
but in the USA it’s a different proposition altogether…anyone denying the implications of this unfettered onslaught on American sovereignty is an NDPer of the American stripe..
hasta la vista..
How do you say “police state” in sign language? Because that’s what Arizona is now.
Enforcing laws is a “police state”?
It’s called illegal immigration because it’s illegal, numbskull.
[quote]I want you to defend your view i want you to explain why an illegal has more right to be here than someone who is here legally .[/quote]
paul in calgary
Paul,
They can’t explain because they are butt ignorant. I am an American in Arizona, and understand the LEGAL methodology of immigration better than most of the so called lawyers (I went through the system as I was born in Canada) I will try to explain the “rights” under federal law of a “LEGAL” Alien
A) You must carry your Visa/Green Card
B) You must maintain a valid foreign Passport
C) You are not free to travel outside of the USA, while you are in the process, without prior approval
It should become clear that US State or Federal authority may (now shall) ask to see your documents…It’s US Federal LAW
The State of Arizona is 100% Right…this action will piss off both Republican & Democrat gangsters that have interests in drugs & crime
This is not about Workers or those that want a better life… they are the smoke screen….
Watch who cries the most!
Yeah! Deport them-take that people who want to feed their children and are desperately needed for labor and debt repayment!
Posted by: Cytotoxic at April 23, 2010 9:25 PM
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First of all Cytotoxic,history has proven there is nothing,absolutely NOTHING more EXPENSIVE than cheap labour.
Secondly Cytotoxic,how can an ultra-liberal like YOU expect millions of 3rd world non-whites to pay off the debts rung up by 1st World White people?
Why thats,thats RACIST! LOL!
Some would say that US is a republic governed by laws. The abstract is noble. Of course laws are made by self interested parties with total disregard of the plebeians.
Anyway, there, apparently is a law in the US that governs the immigration, aliens and such. It is likely that most of the world’s countries have such laws.
There are laws in the US that prescribe, that you have to meet certain conditions to reside in the country. If you are visiting by acquiring visa, there is a time limit that says that you can stay for such and such time. In order to extend your stay, you have to go through procedures or a bureaucrat whose job it is, can say, you’re outta here.
Now it seems that the term to be used for those that cross the border without a visa or any other document that would enable them to stay it the US legally is, “illegal alien”. It is what it is. You can argue until the flies die, it is what it is.
How is it that whatever is illegal in the US, it is a kind of paper illegal, they don’t really mean it. It seems the US laws are institued for the appearance sakes rather for actual effect on the conduct of people.
Oh for the local plebeians it would be different; they could end up in jail in no time flat if the sheriff thinks that he needs to show some activity.
Or for a Canadian that has a same name as some bad guy, wow. This happened to an acquaintance, he was crossing border with his wife to go to have a meal in a US bordertown, the US customs guys, made him and his wife spread eagle, handcuffed them, right in front of everybody waiting at the border. He told me the story right after it happened, my wife and I had a meal where they came right after being let go. If you are not familiar with frequent border crossing, it is common. Your neighbors, people you know, go across for shopping all the time.
Altogether a very strange set of circumstances.
The big difference is guns and drugs. There was a rancher killed a week or two ago. He had tried to get help for years. He set water tanks out and maintained them so illegals would not perish. He was shot and killed. That type of thing didn’t happen often before. He would turn them over to be sent back and they would try again.
The rules have changed with drug mules instead of farm workers and Arizona has been deserted by their country. They went after Sheriff Joe for checking for illegals and he had to fight the Feds in court.
Arizona is serving notice.. either help or get out of the way.
The life of a legitimate immigrant can be a lonely one. He or she is isolated from a cultural, linguistic and socio-political environment with which he or she is familiar. Nevertheless, because he (or she) wishes to stay in Canada (or the US), he works hard. He learns English, studies, takes any job he can get and tries to fit in the best he can. THIS is the person we should support in any way possible, not the lazy, self-important culturally ignorant persons with a sense of entitlement. How can we make demands on one set of immigrants but not another? The slap in the face isn’t so much to the native-born citizen as it is to the immigrant who worked him butt off to adapt to a new country.
Anyone (or political party) who caters to this laziness by putting up with culturally ignorant attitudes (RE: Sharia law) or letting someone get by on an unofficial language is just as bad as the idiot who wants ALL immigrants gone because he plain doesn’t like foreigners.
At this distance….Canada….the image I get is vastly different that that of Cytotoxic who is blindly following a political agenda.
OBOZO et al want the illegals as a power base to further their unconstitutional coup. They have in mind an amnesty…Obamacare’s true purpose is to support that illegal constituency.
The Arizona legistlative initiative is a reaction to the violent anarchy currently there. The flood is drug related for the most part….the gang gestures/hand signals are evident of the true nature of the illegals.
That border zone is now a very dangerous place.
This Arizona immigration law may be the “fort Sumpter” of the next civil war. OBOZO et al will oppose this—it threatens their agenda….
Arizona is defiant…..they have had enough….
@Everyone who disagrees with me: you are all wrong and your arguments woefully ignorant. There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it. Drug prohibition causes crime, yes, but not immigration. Second, it is virtually impossible for unskilled immigrants to get into the US past their vast bureaucracy-they’re illegal act of working in America is a moral act. No one’s rights are violated. But when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated. Cheap labor is bad? Tell that to China. And the Industrial Revolution. If you don’t like the lack of tax payment, it’s called a “sales tax” and every economist with a brain argues for it.
I generally despise conservatives for their fake commitment to smaller government/ignorance of what that actually means, and this only vindicates it.
Cytotoxic, you miss the bigger picture. People are sick and tired of government, and change is brewing.
Tea parties, Arizona’s immigration law, HST protest in British Columbia, and so on.
Ordinary citizens have had enough of useless governments and their asinine politically correct policies.
This decade will be the decade when ordinary people cut government down to size.
Characters like Obama represent the last great hurrah of the old way of doing business.
Cytotoxic at April 24, 2010 1:21 AM
I generally despise conservatives for their fake commitment to smaller government/ignorance of what that actually means, and this only vindicates it.
Cycotic! you have got to be one of the most lala liberal sheeple I have read on this blog in a while…other than T!
You can argue statistics and numbers all day and night, but to those who can see through the numbers and see the twisting of those numbers for an ideological slant is absolutely laughable.
What do you think the ancient saying “strong fences make good neighbours” refer to? Any idea? You say drug prohibition causes crime. Duh!!! You know the law says don’t be in possession of drug, you carry drugs, that makes you a criminal. You enter the country illegally, you are guilty of a criminal offence against that country. They all know it, but they still do it.
Chinese workers, work in China and get Chinese wages for products they produce for the foreign markets. The Mexicans have factories, making products at Mexican wages for the foreign markets(mainly the US and Canadian markets). That helps us get cheaper goods and they reap the benefits of steady income. It is a win-win.
May I suggest you shut off CNN and CBC for about one year and do some thinking for yourself and when you mind has detoxified enough, maybe we could have a coherent and realistic blog session. Detach from the mother ship, demand your brain back!!!
HILARIOUS! I, an Objectivist, am being told to embrace an anti-government zeitgeist by people who want the government to interfere with the right of people to voluntarily enter America and work. “To save the freedom, we had to destroy the freedom”.
And I’m still waiting for that evidence. Or any sign of a logical or moral basis. Simply saying that anything the government considers a crime in terms of movement of people is bad is not logical or moral. It’s the very basis of statism, hypocrites.
hahah … cystotoxic ….. the purpose of the law is to protect lawful citizens.
It is not for the benefit of the government but for the benefit of the citizens the government serves.
Since when is objectivist a synonym for ignorant moron?
Apparently since you claimed to be one.
Of course. All government laws are good. They are here to protect us. In the case of immigration, WHAT ARE THEY PROTECTING US FROM?!? LABOR?!? COMPETITION???
basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.
Just change Americans to Marxists.
What disharmonious BS by the race baiter in Chief.
I just hope more States act to protect themselves from this Socialist ideologue.
Its the only way America can really survive this Coup by radicals.
JMO
I agree with Milton Friedman on this issue – I am all
for completely open borders provided that the welfare states in adjoining juristicitions are equal. This is decidedly not the case between the US and Mexico and while there are significant differences btwn the US and Canada they are becoming less so. The entitlement bonanza that is the US in the eyes of those to the south of it places enormous burdens on that entitlement system while making the illegals vulnerable to exploitation from all sides including the democrats.
Instead of fighting the Arizonan’s desperate initiative, Obama should be pledging to fast-track the completion of the border fence which would end the issue within a generation. But that would be bad politics in his and his minion’s eyes.
“Of course. All government laws are good. They are here to protect us. In the case of immigration, WHAT ARE THEY PROTECTING US FROM?!? LABOR?!? COMPETITION???
Posted by: Cytotoxic at April 24, 2010 2:16 AM ”
I thought it was pretty simple: paying the bill.
Of course if there wasn’t a demand for their cheap labour they wouldn’t be here, but hiring them is already illegal so why not attack a supply/demand issue from both ends?
Where is T? I’m missing T.
I want a laugh and Cytotoxic needs a friend and ideologue.
Trolls like T and Cytotoxic serve to remind and make you realise how truly insane the fascists really are.
“right of people to voluntarily enter America and work.”
Really? “right” where? I guess that is all spelled out in your neo-objectivist manifesto you probably have laying around somewhere?
Is it objective truth that when unemployment is 10 percent plus that there is a desperate need for unskilled labor?
I have lived in Florida, where certain jobs are pretty much only done by illegal labor very cheaply, and Vermont, where those selfsame jobs act a an economic life line.
I was torn between sending that snapshot of the news to Kate, or another wide shot of the crowd that Anderson Cooper later said numbered in the “thousands.”
cyto….your right …IMMEGRATION is genrally o.k. …we are not talking about IMMEGRATION we are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION …there is a difference dip sh$t..and yes if you look around you can see that illegals are ruining hospitals in california ..they are sneaking drug’s across the boarder for rich ignorant americans who again like i said would sell there country down the river just to make a buck to me they aren ot americans ..but whatever you are really brainless and if the govornment see’s no need to immigrate people oh well to bad so sad it is america and it is americans who decided not mexicans or canadians or the taliban or who ever else to decide who comes and goes …cyto you really are stupid all the acedamia in the world cannot connect you to reality your to stupid and liberal you pulling for criminals and hostage takers and rapist’s and drug smugglers why do you think they try to come here illegally they don’t want to be caught they know they are going to do something ILLEGALLY and maybe not all of them have an evil mission but just going that route out of your bleeding heart described desparation for a better life is inexcusable you do the best you can with what you got …if america is soo bad and terrible why don’t you leave and let make some room for the millions and millions that are willing to sell there own children just to have a chance to come to america ..you stupid ignorant piece of garbage what about honest hard working american citizens that are graduating and going to look for a job even if it is in a factory making a lower wage so what they are entitled to that position over and illegal anyday of the week …go hang yourself you waste of skin . And cheap labour is the most expensive becasue of all of the bueracracy ,crime and all of the other stuff they create on top of withc they don’t pay taxes either …so again put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger !!!
Paul in calgary
You people are all just Imperialist, capitalist running dog Zionist exporters of the people. That’s why my Neo-Objectifascist Manifesto demands that you allow thousands of illegal Mexicans to stream across the border and work for you as near slaves.
Why if you only adopted the wise policies of Marxist nations and their immigration policies, like Cuba, China, and North Korea, everything would be A-Okay!
cytotoxic – your ‘arguments’ are grounded in ignorance and arrogance. You are NOT correct but incorrect.
You wrote: “Everyone who disagrees with me: you are all wrong and your arguments woefully ignorant. There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it. Drug prohibition causes crime, yes, but not immigration. Second, it is virtually impossible for unskilled immigrants to get into the US past their vast bureaucracy-they’re illegal act of working in America is a moral act. No one’s rights are violated. But when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated”
First, you have no argument; you are simply stating your opinions. No facts, no evidence, no logic.
Second, we are talking about illegal immigration not legal immigration. Don’t merge the two terms. Legal and illegal are two different words.
Third, there IS a link between illegal immigration and crime. First, it’s a crime to enter a country that doesn’t allow you in. A nation has the legal and moral right to define its citizens. Another nation does not have the legal and moral right to ignore this.
There is no proof that taking out the prohibition of drugs will reduce crime; there is a great deal of evidence that the use of drugs causes crime and is a great economic and medical burden on a state. Your illogical base here is that you feel that IF something that is physically harmful is legal, THEN, no harm will result. False.
No, the reason that unskilled workers can’t move as legal immigrants to the US is not because of some vast bureaucracy. It’s because they are unskilled. What should be done?
Well, Mexico should provide an economic and educational infrastructure to these people so they will obtain skills. Instead, Mexico ignores this vast set of their population and fobs them off to the US. Mexico concentrates on a middle class enrichment. It relies on the lowest class to flee to the US where they work for low wages but since they pay no income tax and no other taxes- they have SURPLUS money to send home, in the billions per year, to support the relatives that the Mexican govt refuses to support.
So Mexico both doesn’t have to use ITS TAX MONEY to provide for this lowest class or educate them…it also gets the relatives and elderly of this class supported..by US dollars. Neat. Do you agree with this tactic of Mexico?
There is nothing morally right about their illegally working in America. But there IS something amoral about their working in America and not contributing to the services which they make such extensive use of: sending their children to public schools but paying NOTHING for this service; using all the health facilities but paying NOTHING for this service; using all the public services of the state but paying NOTHING for this service.
Paying NO TAXES..which is why their wages are so low…and sending all the saved money back to Mexico to assist their families because Mexico provides NOTHING for these relatives.
Could you explain why the US taxpayer should support the poor of Mexico when Mexico refuses to educate and enable these people to have an economy IN Mexico? Please explain the economic and moral value of this.
How about answering some REAL QUESTIONS, cytotoxic. So far, you haven’t deal with hard questions; you just spout your emotional, empty opinions…ungrounded in fact and reality.
oh, and cytotoxis, your belief that:
“when the government arbitrarily blocks immigration, my right to employ an immigrant and their right to work for me are violated”
is pure vapid nonsense.
The US govt does NOT arbitrarily block immigration. These people never apply and would be refused. Because they are unskilled, uneducated and unable to work for REGULAR wages in the US. The REGULAR wages would include deductions for: income tax, education tax, state and municipal services such as health and roads and garbage etc.
Since their wages do NOT include these taxes but are high enough for sustenance, these people live cheaply and send BILLIONS back to their relatives in Mexico to support them. Mexico does nothing for these people except to fob this entire class off on the taxpayers of the US. Do you agree with this?
Stop flinging the term ‘right’ around as if it were confetti. There is no such thing as a ‘right to employ’ anyone. Nor is there a ‘right’ to work for anyone. Do you know why? Because these are not rights BUT CHOICES. It’s called freedom. Rights are necessities and exist outside of free choice.
So, there is no right to work for anyone; you have a choice whether to do so or not. There is no right to hire someone; you have a choice whether to hire them or not. Could you explain why you consider that an employer must, of necessity, hire someone who will be a burden on his fellow taxpayers? Please explain why the taxpayer must pay his taxes, and always higher taxes, to support a large population who do not support themselves?
And don’t try the ‘the food is cheaper’ because that’s such a stupid argument it’s beyond belief. The lettuce may be cheaper but the whole Cost of Living goes higher because that same lettuce-eating taxpayer must pay MORE taxes to support the schools, hospitals, roads, etc..that the non-paying illegal worker uses! Get it?
Try for some facts rather than the superficial opinions.
ET, “you just spout your emotional, empty opinions…ungrounded in fact and reality.”
Haven’t you just underlined what the left is all about?
dave – yes, that’s what the left is all about. Fiction not fact.
What gets me is how they hide the lack of facts by cloaking it in a burqa of irrelevant emotional hogwash, such as ‘it’s their right to work’; and ‘all they want to do (sniff) is feed their (starving)children’.
They introduce emotional ‘appeals to pity’; that’s a constant tactic. And of course, there’s always the presumed morality of their opinion. Neither claim has any validity but it’s difficult to confront an emotional and irrational opinion..simply because it’s not based on facts or reason. It’s just an opinion.
It’s like me saying: ‘angels exist’. When you demand factual proof, I can declare that you, the unbeliever, have no capacity to see them. But that ‘wise people’ are able to, and so, have made LOTS of paintings about them. So there. And that it’s my moral right to believe what I want to believe in. That’s what’s fun about the virtual world of the leftist. No need for empirical factual evidence. It’s ALL IN THE MIND of the believer. Heh.
cytotoxic is the typical liberal troll who has never been to Arizona, and knows nothing about the problems he’s talking about.
Last week Arizona passed a law repealing the license requirement for concealed carry of a firearm. Now you can carry open or concealed without a license.
One of the reasons they did that was the -large- increase in kidnapping and home invasions over the last five or six years. People need to go armed because of Mexican drug gangs operating in Phoenix, Nogales, and Tucson. They need to go armed,that bears repeating.
Another reason the license was repealed is that the state government of Arizona DOESN’T HAVE ANY MONEY. A major reason for that, comprising as much as 25% of costs in estimates I’ve seen, is providing services to illegals. Who do not pay taxes.
Here’s an example of what happens when a government fails to curb the activities of Mexican drug gangs: http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2010/04/gun-control-working-as-expected-in.html
“In a bold predawn attack, gunmen stormed a hotel Wednesday in the heart of the northern city of Monterrey and kidnapped at least three people, officials said.”
Nobody cares if Mexicans come to Arizona to work, any more than they care if Canadians do. They care if Mexicans come to Arizona for a free lunch and a soft target to extort goodies from.
Not to mention the hundreds who get left to die in the desert by the coyote people smugglers every year. Yes, more than 100 dessicated, chewed corpses of Mexican men, women and children discovered in the desert, every year.
And metric tonnes of discarded belongings. And broken fences, stolen equipment, dead cattle and etc. Look it up.
So cyto, either do some research into what you’re yammering about, or shut the f- up. You can cry “RACIST” all you want, but we all know your protestations come from ignorance and hate, not the loving concern for the little guy that you like to pretend. Typical liberal, in other words.
Immigration is not always such a great thing. Some cultures create successful societies and some don’t. If a culture that creates a successful society is swamped by immigrants from a culture that doesn’t, how long is that successful culture going to survive for? As Mark Steyn noted recently, 40% of Brussels school children are now Muslims. Wait until that generation grows up. The culture that created Brussels will be gone and the culture that created Arabia will be there and the civilization will be gone. Brussels will become a dump that no civilized people will want to live in, which has already happened, which is why they are all leaving.
Same thing is happening to L.A. In the 50’s it was the great up and coming US city, now it is swamped with people from cultures that have not demonstrated any ability to generate a successful city, and it is dieing.
nice post, phantom. Thanks.
cytotoxic – how about answering some factual questions that we’ve posed here? Not with opinions from your virtual world but real world facts.
Tell us why those people leave Mexico. Isn’t there work for them back home? No? Why not? What’s the Mexican govt doing about education, about providing an infrastructure for industrial development so that they do have jobs? Nothing? Why not?
Why do you support the financial burden on the US taxpayer whose taxes must cover the common needs not only of themselves but must also support this set of people who do not contribute to these common expenses?
When you reply, don’t give us more unsubstantiated opinions (i.e., ‘arbitrary bureaucracy of the US immigration)..and more illogical opinions about ‘right to hire someone’. Give us the reality and the facts to support your opinions.
Those illegal immigrants haven’t done anything illegal.
btw cyto baby, the true joke is that if it wasn’t for the liberal no-sparrow-shall-fall welfare state, there wouldn’t be any illegal immigration. They’d have all stayed home.
You put sugar on the ground, ants come. You take the sugar away, the ants go. You don’t have to hate the ants to know that.
But you do have to be a liberal to hate people for saying it.
Sugar is a social construct of White-centro imperialsim! You Zionist running dog! I am right, you are wrong, you viewpoint does not matter! Don’t you know right and wrong is an imperialist construct of Chistocentric colonialism, oh wait……
Thanks ET.
I lived in AZ for years, and these days I winter there. I see the damage caused by this uncontrolled migration, and it makes me pretty mad when useful idiots gas off about the “poor helpless Mexicans”.
Watching Barry trying to make political hay out of this is really burning my thrusters too. Guys are getting killed by these drug cartel scumbags. Joke’s over.
Yes, Obama is turning this into a political tactic for hispanic votes. For him…sorry, Him.
The thing about Obama is that he never, ever, does anything for anyone else. Never. It’s always and only about Himself.
He’s working for the Socialist Gang who put him in power.. a non-descript, easily bored, inexperienced, lazy, arrogant and ignorant nobody whose only skills were a personal psychological ability, honed since he was a ten-year old, to misinform and emotionally manipulate people.
Their agenda is to insert statism into the US system – and to do this rapidly before anyone can mount a defense. They have no morality and no compunction about backroom deals, bribes, threats, lies, and blackmail of members of Congress, and emotional manipulation of the public.
They are doing this as fast as they can – in one year, statist health care, cap-and-trade, ownership of GM, takeover of banks, reduction of power of Congress, reduction of power of states..and a steady attack against individual freedoms.
With regard to their foreign policy, they have totally alienated allies, strengthened enemies and enabled them to obtain nuclear weapons, rejected realities such as Islamic fascism. Russia, Iran and Venezuala are becoming an important bloc against the West.
Obama? He’s ignorant and indifferent about all this. His goal is strictly personal; narcissistic preening. As he constantly reminds everyone: ‘I’m the President’.
“CryptoFascistToxicity at April 24, 2010 10:19 AM
Don’t you know right and wrong is an imperialist construct of Chistocentric colonialism, oh wait……”
The hate and anger you have towards the Judeo/Christian heritage of the West is starting to show through. It all makes sense now.
Try going to a Muslim country and have a beer or go for a walk with your wife and not have her cover her head, then stop and, in the throws of passion, plant the mother of all tonsil-hockey kisses on her, and see what happens.
You have no idea how fortunate you are to have an education (taught at the U of Ottawa, no doubt), and had all that nasty, anti-capitalistic skooling! I’ll take wild guess and say you got straight (opps! homophobic language) A’s?
Posted by: ET at April 23, 2010 10:15 PM
Well spoken, ET, but it falls upon deaf ears. Like all liberal drones, cycotoxic is immune from reasoned debate: he only “feels”, and is guided by those feelings. If anybody disagrees with the “feel good” mantra they espouse, why those miscreants must be racists, homophobes, islamophobes… whatever.
“There has never-NEVER-been a link between immigration and crime. Not a shred of hard evidence for it”
That statement is proof cystowhatsit doesn’t intend itself to be taken seriously; you couldn’t pen that with a straight face. Talk to some Toronto cop sometime, dimwit, about the increase in city crime with the increase in unfettered jamaican immigration. Twenty years ago julian fantino (when he was a real cop, and not a paid mcguinty stooge) published the figures: blacks were only 8% of the city’s population but had a crime rate at more than three times that.
And before you – predictably – call me a racist, I note that some of the strictest critics of jamaican immigration I knowe met are jamaican ex-pats themselves: good, hard-working decent people who hate the image that the lowlifes have given them, the same vermin we allow into the country without scrutiny.
Any country not bent on self-destruction reserves the right to scrutinize whom they allow to live there, and to deny anyone access who may add to the country’s decay. And if extra study is given to those from crime-ridden countries, or those areas that profess publicly to hate the West and what it stands for… tough.
Political correctness kills, and I’d rather it not kill me or mine. Fools like cycowhatever never realize this, and – ironically – usually never wear the scars of their own ignorance.
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MHB, Fantino’s stats were only about the Jane/Finch area not the whole city. As you stated the population for just this area was about 8% with 80-85% of muggings, robberies etc. done by blacks, primarily Jamaicans. Every area of Toronto that is reported as “troubled”, “crime ridden”, “challenged” you will find have the same racial group behind its crime stats. Not one politician said Fantino’s stats were wrong but loudly criticized him for stating them. After 1989 no further stats were collected by race. Guess they hoped the problem would go away if we hid our eyes.
Human rights gone wrong.
You have to remember that cytotoxic and his ilk need some kind of perceived oppression then need to fight against.
It’s becoming clearer and clearer that those arguments are always framed in the noble (in their eyes) struggle against the man (or whoever is responsible for their natural unhappiness).
Throughout its history, America has welcomed millions of immigrants who apply to enter the country and are accepted.
If America or any other country needs labour, it is entirely that country’s right to grant the privledge (not human right) of entering that country.
It is the right of any sovereign country to determine how many immigrants it will take in. Canada, after all, has immigration targets.
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are basic human rights.
Freedom to hop over borders without documentation is NOT a human right.
Tell us please, cytotoxic … is it your human right to fly to Britain, then stay there and claim you now have all the rights of British citizens without contacting the immigration department?
If not, why not?
“It’s going to change our lives,” said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. “We can’t walk to school any more. We can’t be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we’re illegal immigrants.”
Wow. 13 years old and already fully trained to hate cops.
Phillip P. Shaw – summarized perfectly!
Cytotoxic – you have the same Bolshevik disease of many Liberanos/Dippers/Progressives that I have encountered :
‘Cheap labor is bad? Tell that to China. And the Industrial Revolution. If you don’t like the lack of tax payment, it’s called a “sales tax” and every economist with a brain argues for it’.
For some odd reason, you believe in your feeble mind that ‘some’ people wish to be the slaves of others and those ‘others’ are ALWAYS the ideology of the ‘progressive’ persuasion. Your ilk like to refer to ‘your maid’, ‘your driver’, ‘your nanny’ – never giving those ‘servants’ names (I, Ruby comes to mind); the Chinese people are as human as you and if you had the courtesy to ask them, I will wager that not one of those people enjoy their status as a slave.
All employees have names – these names should be used BEFORE the clarification in context, IMO. Proper immigrants wish to be citizens with a Proper name of their own, not a Common employer based designation.
Congratulations Arizona – you have made a gigantic leap for individual Freedom.