36 Replies to “An Ounce Of Google”

  4. Oh dear, some poor old farmers wanting the tax-payers to guarantee their income. The $169 per ton described as the “break even” point is a completely arbitrary figure. I’ve talked to several farmers since that article appeared who tell me that $169 per tonne provides a decent return…provided the debt is under control. It’s funny that this particular newspaper can never seem to find these guys.
    A lot of this farm “crisis” is just bad debt management. Some of these guys are paying out $6,000 to $10,000 per acre and buying $250,000 combines when there is no hope of making the principle and interest payments, let alone generating a profit.
    And the Farm Credit Corporation (another crown corp)just keeps shelling out the loans.
    I’m afraid I’ve had enough of bailing out people who have made bad business decisions – GM and Chrysler come to mind. I’ve made bad business decisions too, but I don’t expect the taxpayers to pay for my mistakes.

  5. When I read Warren Kinsella/Daisy Lobby Group/$16,000/month, I covered my ears, started screaming, and ran out of the room.

  6. and so Daisy strikes again – all pit bull talk – all brainless pork – when will the entitlists be exposed and left to rot in the sun ?

  7. Jamie…I think you have it backwards. They don’t want bailouts…they want a free market. Farmers work very hard.
    Looks like they have been bailing out Kinsella.

  8. bluetech
    Read the article. I didn`t hear Vanderspank advocating free markets. The payments he brags about was taxpayer money not from the free market.If his cost of production for corn is really $169 per tonne he should be doing something else. He is one of many who will expect the public to pay for his bad business dicisions.

  9. “Jamie…I think you have it backwards. They don’t want bailouts…they want a free market. Farmers work very hard.
    Looks like they have been bailing out Kinsella”
    No, I don’t have it backwards at all. I know this crowd very well.
    And don’t tell me about farmers “working very hard.” Some do…some don’t.
    The last time they did the ring-around-the-food-terminal-thing there were farmers with their net-worth in the millions begging for more government largesse.

  10. Farmers have a reputation for being shrewd.
    Why hire Kinsella then ?
    So much for a reputation.

  11. There are people who live on a farm and people who make a living from the farm. Ontario has too many of the former and not enough of the latter.

  12. Yeah, I’m confused by this lot too. Why give Daisy a lobby account after the way Kinsella bad mouthed Randy Hillier’s farm activism?.
    http://news.therecord.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/218092
    Why ask for crop subsidy or crop failure subsidy from gummint? Form independent co=ops and give big brother and price fixing marketing boards the finger.
    I’m marking this rant down to mixed messaging from a disorganized fractious group – no leadership is correct though.

  14. Its axiomatic…the more government takes out of the economy the more (sadly) “free marketers” are corrupted!
    When a farmer grows a 160 acres of malt barley and takes in a total of $33,000.00…our governments step up when the end product hits the shelf and gleefully takes in over 1,300,000.00 in taxes!
    Farmers contribute! We pay far more then city folks in school taxes…and get poorer programs and buildings!
    Jamie…you owe us!

  15. So what exactly was the consulting firm paid for? Perhaps to send out a crack photographer to investigate complaints of swastikas being scrawled on the walls of outhouses on the family farm.

  16. If Daisy is making $16,000.00/month, good on ’em. I’m a staunch supporter of capitalism. If Daisy’s clients don’t feel they’re getting their money’s worth, they should put it elsewhere.
    I’d rather that the government was not in the business of bailing out farmers. Or auto companies. Or anyone, for that matter.

  17. I looked into a bit of farming, because I’m basically on a farm here at Chez Phantom.
    You know those big huge round hay bales? They sell for about $25 bucks a piece retail, give or take.
    Now go and price a baler, a tractor (with front loader!), a trailer to haul the friggin’ giant things, and fuel.
    Then look at the price of un-serviced, empty fields. Figure how many bales you get per acre. Investigate fertilizer cost, weed killer, and a few other things. Insurance. Fences. Blah blah blah.
    I figured that after costs, taxes, fees and loan coverage, the average bum cadging quarters on Yonge St. clears more in a year than a hay farmer.
    Turns out most hay farms are a part-time job. The rest of the time guys are doing carpentry, excavating, painting, all manner of stuff to keep the thing going. And yet if there’s no hay, cattle don’t eat, and I don’t get steak at the store.
    Same deal for corn, soybeans, flax, etc. Don’t even think about running cattle or hogs, that’s a whole ‘nother nightmare.
    Doesn’t seem very safe somehow, to have a country’s whole food production running on that thin a margin, know what I mean?

  19. I ate my pillow after reading that 16,000$ per month fee. That is money from every tonne of wheat, corn and soybeans sold in the province of Ontario and deducted from settlement cheques at the elevator before farmers ever see the cheque.
    Ontario farmers are being sold down the river by a bunch of Liberal ass-kissers that call themselves farm leaders.

  20. “Farmers contribute! We pay far more then city folks in school taxes…and get poorer programs and buildings!
    Jamie…you owe us!”
    Posted by: ivbinconned at April 13, 2010 11:02 AM
    Gee…it never ends. I owe you? Again? Still? I thought that the exhorbitant subsidies that were extorted from consumers on milk, eggs, etc. to support the commie marketing boards would be enough.
    And since you brought up the perceived inequities of tax burdens on farms, what can you tell me (us) about the tax rate on farm-land as opposed to other rural properties that are used for purposes other than farming?

  21. Phantom…been there, done that, got the ‘audit’ from guvament to go with it.
    Hubby worked full time to pay for the big stuff but we couldn’t claim expenses, cuz, well, he worked…duh!
    That was the turning point for us.(’80’s)
    Had to sell everything.
    If those farmers had fair tax breaks they wouldn’t need RMP or the high payed beaurocrats pretending to work for them.
    That would be free market.
    And they sure wouldn’t need Daisy…wild ones are cheaper and pretty but just as much a nuisance.

  23. “If those farmers had fair tax breaks they wouldn’t need RMP or the high payed beaurocrats pretending to work for them.”
    Posted by: bluetech at April 13, 2010 1:25 PM
    “FAIR” taxes? Are you saying that the property tax on farmland (1/3 of residential rates, 1/5 of commercial rates) or the 100% provincial sales tax rebate on anything purchased for the farm is UNFAIR???? Really?
    Tell that to the guy who runs the corner gas bar.

  24. Tell that to the guy who runs the corner gas bar.
    Posted by: Jamie MacMaster at April 13, 2010 1:53 PM
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    Pardon me, I am cajun, wth is a corner gas bar ?

  25. Jamie MacMaster, do you have a reading disability?
    Do the math as I suggested, and you will discover, to your no doubt considerable surprise, that growing hay is not an income. Its not even a sideline. Bums really do take home more money, and that doesn’t include their welfare checks either.
    It is not that the tax rates etc. are unfair particularly, it is that they preclude a -profit- from growing stuff. As in, you can’t farm full time as a way of making a living. And that is with the tax breaks you outline.
    It isn’t that the farmer is getting a sweet deal, he’s definitely getting screwed. Its just that the corner gas bar owner is getting screwed ten times as badly.
    We are -all- getting screwed. Government eats up pretty much all the profit generated in this country one way or another. Haven’t you noticed that no matter how much money you get, you never seem to be any further ahead?

  26. “Jamie MacMaster, do you have a reading disability?”
    Posted by: The Phantom at April 13, 2010 3:01 PM
    Oh boy, it seems my day isn’t complete without a lesson from a smart-alex. Hey, I didn’t yank your poodle-chain, so why are you yapping?
    Whenever I feel the need for a lesson on farm economics I’ll give you a call…I might need a laugh sometime in the future. I’ve shovelled more cowshit and thrown more hay than you have, and I might add, more than a lot of farmers have. I filed a farm tax return last year…did you?
    I’m sick of the pissing and whining for government assistance or special treatment from the various branches of the economy…and that includes the farm sectors.
    “Haven’t you noticed that no matter how much money you get, you never seem to be any further ahead?”
    Posted by: The Phantom at April 13, 2010 3:01 PM
    I’ll say one thing about this guy, he’s got a flair for the obvious.
    And the main reason for that is because we have to pay for too much government sticking their god-damned noses in every place they possibly can. And the reason government does that, is because a whole lot of people out there ask for it.

  27. “marketing boards”…Jamie you mention a couple!?
    If you want us to survive in a free market…then take off our chains!!
    When I was forced to sell that malt barley for three dollars in Canada the world spot price, just over the boarder, was over $9.00!!!
    I guess I could have hauled it…I had the buyer lined up. And wiffee said she would come visit me in jail!! I feel so protected as a Canadian farmer!
    Things are getting better on the tax issue but just a few years ago farm families were paying 4.5 times as much school tax as urban families!

  28. ‘Tis true, if there’s any way the government can get it’s hands on your earned money or control of it’s earning abilities well it’s not “they will” anymore, it’s “they have already”. We just haven’t paid ‘their future’ bills yet.
    BTW why does our tax system favour the more ‘free style’ of things?
    Meaning, as an example, consultants have access to claim expenses that payroll tax payers do not, including a part of the interest paid on their home mortgage – as a fixed single income household we don’t get a tax break like that.

  30. “”marketing boards”…Jamie you mention a couple!
    If you want us to survive in a free market…then take off our chains!!
    When I was forced to sell that malt barley for three dollars in Canada the world spot price, just over the boarder, was over $9.00!!!
    Posted by: ivbinconned at April 13, 2010 3:46 PM
    Yup, I hear you. Dairy and egg marketing boards hold consumers and tax-payers at ransom by inflated commodity prices and tax-skimming for subsidies. While the poor buggers in the Western Provinces who are saddled with the wheat marketing board, have to take what is offered or get hauled off to jail.”
    I would like anyone, farmer or politician, to please explain to me how these state controls of agricultural markets and farm commodity prices differ from the setup that existed in the USSR.

  31. It is the same sorta dumb ass farm non-leadership that we are saddled with here in Ontario that keeps Western producers shackled to that rattlers nest of a Wheat Board.

  32. Warrem Kinsella,Daisy, Liberal Party of Canada, are all _ucking over Farmers in Ontario, LOL

  33. Jamie asked “explain to me how these state controls of agricultural markets and farm commodity prices differ from the setup that existed in the USSR.” They don’t differ!
    A bushel of western spring wheat makes 40-70 loaves of bread depending on the quality of the bread and we get (got in my case,as retired now) 4-5 cents a loaf. The bloody wrapper costs more.
    That is why farmer numbers have been dropping steadily. The big farmers are getting bigger and all have another source of income such as trucking etc.
    You can all figure out how much you pay for the bread.
    Time to get rid of the Soviet style shackles.
    Warren Kinsella as a farm organization lobbyist? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

  34. I was at work today and could not link to the site with the dope on this post.
    As it turns out this is beyond belief.
    So … Why did the Dutchmen wear wooden shoes?
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    Keeps the woodpeckers off their heads.
    badabump

  35. “Time to get rid of the Soviet style shackles.”
    Amen. It’s entirely up to the farmers who are opposed to this collectivism to do so.
    This summer, put some slow-rolling tractor convoys on the Trans-Canada going into the western cities where the Liberal and NDP MPs have their ridings.
    Get public sympathy going and lay the blame squarely where it belongs: MPs who support this communism.
    If you want some tips/advice, contact the Ontario Landowners’ Association: ruralrevolution.com

  36. “You know what I really love? Super duper holy Good Friday spiritual meditations penned by adulterers.”
    Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at April 13, 2010 9:58 AM
    Hey Kathy, didn’t know you knew the ‘Farmers Feed Cities” crowd… or perhaps it’s Farmer’s Forum newspaper you’re thinking about.
    There’s a new 2-step in parts of Canada’s rural communities – it’s calle: Both Sides of the Line Dancin’ ….

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