What a great weekend. I’ve just learned I’ve acquired a new “neo”, plus a “cide”.
Outside of betting on wheelchair sports, it just doesn’t get much better than that.
54 Replies to “Whose “Cide” Are You On, Whitegirl?”
ET,
You do not debate, you mock valid arguments.
There is a pettyness in the way you discuss this topic.
I’m not going to spend hours copying and pasting from sites where people have competely shreded to pieces Jared Diamond’s theory and have shown with documented data where he is wrong or where he is being dishonest or where he is being selective and using only evidence that support his theory and where he is rejecting data that does not help his theory.
Jared Diamong – like Al Gore – has refused ALL debates.
That says a lot about the solididity of his theory.
He runs away from people who show him where his theory is flawed.
I could provide links but you would not read them and you would mock me, say I know nothing when actually I know much more than you could begin to imagine.
You are being intentionally obtuse on this topic and I would even say dishonest and petty.
I will not waste any time anymore.
You never concede anything.
Out of 2 or 30 points you reject them all.
Only you cna be right and on every point.
You have a serious attitude problem.
You are stubborn and closed minded.
And you do not even get half of what I’m saying.
I never said people HAD to calculate the trajectory of a thrown ball,I was saying the fact a person can throw a ball ( or a spear ) is not a measure of IQ, while being able to make engineering calculations about it requires a high IQ.
You do not even get my point or you intentionally and dishonestly twist it into something you know I never said.
Even retards can trow a spear, and they do not need the analytical capacity of an engineer to do it.
But it is useless, you hear what you want to hear and you never concede one damn thing even when proven wrong by 2, 5 OR 10 persons.
You seem to have two personalitities.
You can analyze Obama or Harper honestly but when it comes to race and IQ you become a bizaroid creature who refuses to listen to anything.
You keep saying I know nothing, well I obviously know more about enginering than you do,
otherwise you might understand my point instead of twisting IT into something I never said said.
If you knew anything about engineering you might possibly understand but obviously you see everything trough the eyes of soemone who could not tell the difference between a two stroke engine and a four stroke engine.
People with IQ of 60 can throw a ball or a spear.
That tells us nothing about their IQ, their logic or analytical skills or their ability to write symphonies or design rockets.
You discredit and mock people who can write symphonies.
that is childish and dishonest.
It reveals you have no more arguments and have been defeated, so using pettyness is what you resort to.
Being able to trhow a ball and understanding the physics behind it are two different things, the former is primitive skill, the latter is evolved logical intelligent analytical capacily.
But keep repeating whatever you want.
Just keep repeating it, the only person you might convince is you.
You can not concede one damn point, you must be right on every thing even if it means, twisting my words, mocking me or pretending you know how much I know.
You are like a kid who can never share a toy or lose a game.
Some of us have valid point, you ridicule us and twist what we say into something else.
You debate like an 8 year old.
You want to believe there is no race difference like an 8 year old wants to believe in Santa Claus and you will not hear a word of reason.
Here is an excerpt from Steve Sailor on Jared Diamond and his disciples;
… … …
…Unfortunately, the market for the uncomfortable truths is a lot smaller than the market for what people want to hear. So after his initial book, Diamond remained a cult figure.
But Diamond has certainly solved that problem. He turned to the topic of race, offering impressive-sounding rationalizations for what intellectuals wanted to believe anyway….
… … …
offering impressive-sounding rationalizations for what intellectuals wanted to believe anyway
Woah, it is like Diamond has written this book for you et !!!
Sophisms, paralogisms, anmd syllogisms written in an intellectual style to impress you and who ever you want to impress but the theory is completely FLAWED, but you will not concede one damn point.
Debating ike a verbally skilled 8 year old.
I’m wasting my time.
You are not worthy of my time.
Here is more of Diamond’S dishonesty ( which you will twist and mock like an 8 year old )
… … …
Guns, Germs, and Steel contained a lot of useful information and reasonable speculation. But a little thought raises serious questions:
* Not all sub-Saharan Africans lack domestic animals. For instance, the Fulanis are mostly lactose tolerant precisely because they evolved an ability to drink cow’s milk as adults because they herd cattle on a massive scale.
* It’s true that Africans never domesticated the ostrich, but a Mr. Hardy pulled off the trick in the 19th Century. In the late nineteenth century, South African farmers raised almost a million of these 300-pound birds to supply the fancy hat industry with feathers.
* Most strikingly, Diamond failed to recall that elephant-mounted African warriors did swarm north to decimate horse-mounted Romans and almost create an empire that spanned Africa and Europe in perhaps the most famous feat of ancient warfare: Hannibal crossing the Alps.
… …. …
Then why do the Fulanis do not have the wheel if they have cattle????
You will never answer because you know I am right.
Or you will twists this into something I never said.
I could fill pages on where Diamond is worng, but you would mock me, call me ignorant, and refuse to concede one damn point.
You are like an 8 year old who cna not concede one damn point nor lose one damn game.
Diamond is wrong on dozens and dozens of points,
He was motivated by white guilt but he failed because his theory is completely flawed… only a self loathing white or a colored person would act the way you do ET.
So which are you?
Self loathing white or colored?
I agree with ET that people are equal (including IQ’s). What is NOT equal is cultures.
As Jared Diamond, the anthropologist points out, cultures “Collapse” as Darwin does his work, from Easter Island to the Islamofascists in the ME. However in the latter case they are propped up by oil funding, as is Quebec by equalization payments.
As ET has stated the biome and ecologies of Europe were so productive in terms of rich soil that any idiot could have succeeded there , especially with the help of domesticated animals ( Diamond points out that New Guinea still does not have domesticated animals and is thus still in a Jurassic Park bubble)
When Europe was able to produce more than needed for each peasant, then surplus people could have time to start to think, to invent; hence leading eventually to modern government, the end of feudalism, with the separation of Church and State etc and onward to contemporary society as we know it. While the ME still wanders around caught in culture based on a pastoral nomadic life of tribalism.
Mitt Romney went into this subject briefly on his book tour “No Apology”, including references to Diammond’s “Collapse”. Romney has studied how American exceptionalism evolved and what we need to do to hold onto it, instead of “Apologizing” for it. In other words let’s deal with racism with facts and logic instead of electing an incompetent Messiah to save us from our white guilt.
oz – the ‘Everyone knows’ style of argument is invalid. You have to provide empirical proof, not just an ‘appeal to the mob’ argument.
Because ‘racism’ exists does not mean that ‘race’ exists – that’s yet another logical fallacy (called ‘affirming the consequent’ in case you are interested).
Because someone’s skin colour is black or yellow or whatever does not mean that they cognitively are dissimilar.
Friend of USA – that’s strange that you say that Diamond refuses all debates; he speaks at many conferences which include debates. I don’t agree with his dim view of the success of our technology and society, but, I do agree with his ecological analysis. His work on that received the Pulitzer, the Rhone-Poulenc Prize, the Medal of Science…he writes also for the science journal of Nature. So, I think his knowledge is slightly more viable than yours on these issues.
As I suggested, you might want to read Emilio Moran, Ingold, B. Campbell, Odum..all on ecological analysis of human adaptation. They have the data base and analysis which you, rather stuck in your opinions, so obviously lack.
Your statement that ‘being an engineer and making calculations requires a high IQ’ has absolutely no relevance if your society does not require engineers. You cannot say that because there are no engineers in a society, that this means that the people have low IQs. Again..that infamous violation of the logical modus ponens and tollens.
Knowing the difference between engines has nothing to do with IQ!
Steve Sailor has no background or expertise in biology, ecology, geography or physical or other anthropology..or any science. Oh – and I’m not a neodarwinist either; and since you are obviously a fan of Sailor, then you must follow social Darwinism..which I also reject.
The pastoral nomadics, who are cattle herders in the grasslands of Africa, could not use the cattle for other than milk, blood and rarely, meat; that is – the animals were not domesticated for energy; to ride, to pull a cart, etc.
And, these animals could not, obviously, live outside of the grassland area in the rest of Africa. The fact remains – Africa lacks domestic animals.
Hannibal’s elephants were Asian elephants (from India) which CAN be domesticated; not African elephants. And they are not really domesticated as they are not bred in captivity.
Why should a people have ‘the wheel’ if they don’t have animals to pull a wagon..and their cattle are not draft animals..and if they don’t need such transportation, and if the land is not suitable (smooth and level) for wagons?
THINK. What if their population is not large enough to release men from herding duties..to, for instance, build a wagon
…and..are there enough trees in the grassland plains to use for that?…Do they have metal to use and smelt to make axes? Can they release men to build roads? How would a road help their economy? THINK.
Don’t rant and insult. Think.
ET,
I am afraid you are performing some rather egregious acts of cognitive dissonance regarding race. This is demonstrated when you say “But, the Nilotic body type IS useful in basketball. You won’t find non-Nilotic blacks, eg, Bantu, very good at basketball”. Are you not making the claim that there is a race/subspecies “Bantu” that have the racial characteristic of being not very good at basketball.
There is a strong PC movement to claim that there is no biological basis to race. Usually this argument is presented by claiming that races are not sharply different from each other and that there are no racial genes responsible for morphological and cultural differences between the races. In effect the argument goes that because there are no major differences the biological concept of race is meaningless.
Races exist but each human subspecies do not form distinct separate groups but rather flow into each other. Much the same process can be seen in the different breeds of dogs. Human racial subspecies, like breeds of dogs, can interbreed and produce viable offspring. But as the subspecies have historically been kept geographically separate they formed closed genetic communities where they developed separate physical and genetic differences according to the environment and other challenges.
This is demonstrated by your Bantu example. This is also demonstrated in so many different ways that are seen by common sense in daily life. There is also the theory of the Iceman hypothesis where the coldic northern winter environment put selective pressure on IQ to develop in the Caucasian and Asiatic subspecies.
I hate to call it subspecies but races is just such a loaded word, not that subspecies is much better!
Anyway, in order to better understand my position on race you should read the Aug 2009 article by Neven Sesardic, Race: A social destruction of a biologic concept.
The defining characteristic of humans has been the ability to adapt to our surroundings and survive. The people of subsaharan Africa had the unfortunate luck to be seperated from the rest of Africa and the world by the forbidding Saharan desert. This prohibited the natural spread of technology but eventually knowledge of iron and metal working did reach that area as did agriculture and pastoralists. In time these people would have developed further.
ET,
You do not debate, you mock valid arguments.
There is a pettyness in the way you discuss this topic.
I’m not going to spend hours copying and pasting from sites where people have competely shreded to pieces Jared Diamond’s theory and have shown with documented data where he is wrong or where he is being dishonest or where he is being selective and using only evidence that support his theory and where he is rejecting data that does not help his theory.
Jared Diamong – like Al Gore – has refused ALL debates.
That says a lot about the solididity of his theory.
He runs away from people who show him where his theory is flawed.
I could provide links but you would not read them and you would mock me, say I know nothing when actually I know much more than you could begin to imagine.
You are being intentionally obtuse on this topic and I would even say dishonest and petty.
I will not waste any time anymore.
You never concede anything.
Out of 2 or 30 points you reject them all.
Only you cna be right and on every point.
You have a serious attitude problem.
You are stubborn and closed minded.
And you do not even get half of what I’m saying.
I never said people HAD to calculate the trajectory of a thrown ball,I was saying the fact a person can throw a ball ( or a spear ) is not a measure of IQ, while being able to make engineering calculations about it requires a high IQ.
You do not even get my point or you intentionally and dishonestly twist it into something you know I never said.
Even retards can trow a spear, and they do not need the analytical capacity of an engineer to do it.
But it is useless, you hear what you want to hear and you never concede one damn thing even when proven wrong by 2, 5 OR 10 persons.
You seem to have two personalitities.
You can analyze Obama or Harper honestly but when it comes to race and IQ you become a bizaroid creature who refuses to listen to anything.
You keep saying I know nothing, well I obviously know more about enginering than you do,
otherwise you might understand my point instead of twisting IT into something I never said said.
If you knew anything about engineering you might possibly understand but obviously you see everything trough the eyes of soemone who could not tell the difference between a two stroke engine and a four stroke engine.
People with IQ of 60 can throw a ball or a spear.
That tells us nothing about their IQ, their logic or analytical skills or their ability to write symphonies or design rockets.
You discredit and mock people who can write symphonies.
that is childish and dishonest.
It reveals you have no more arguments and have been defeated, so using pettyness is what you resort to.
Being able to trhow a ball and understanding the physics behind it are two different things, the former is primitive skill, the latter is evolved logical intelligent analytical capacily.
But keep repeating whatever you want.
Just keep repeating it, the only person you might convince is you.
You can not concede one damn point, you must be right on every thing even if it means, twisting my words, mocking me or pretending you know how much I know.
You are like a kid who can never share a toy or lose a game.
Some of us have valid point, you ridicule us and twist what we say into something else.
You debate like an 8 year old.
You want to believe there is no race difference like an 8 year old wants to believe in Santa Claus and you will not hear a word of reason.
Here is an excerpt from Steve Sailor on Jared Diamond and his disciples;
… … …
…Unfortunately, the market for the uncomfortable truths is a lot smaller than the market for what people want to hear. So after his initial book, Diamond remained a cult figure.
But Diamond has certainly solved that problem. He turned to the topic of race, offering impressive-sounding rationalizations for what intellectuals wanted to believe anyway….
… … …
offering impressive-sounding rationalizations for what intellectuals wanted to believe anyway
Woah, it is like Diamond has written this book for you et !!!
Sophisms, paralogisms, anmd syllogisms written in an intellectual style to impress you and who ever you want to impress but the theory is completely FLAWED, but you will not concede one damn point.
Debating ike a verbally skilled 8 year old.
I’m wasting my time.
You are not worthy of my time.
Here is more of Diamond’S dishonesty ( which you will twist and mock like an 8 year old )
… … …
Guns, Germs, and Steel contained a lot of useful information and reasonable speculation. But a little thought raises serious questions:
* Not all sub-Saharan Africans lack domestic animals. For instance, the Fulanis are mostly lactose tolerant precisely because they evolved an ability to drink cow’s milk as adults because they herd cattle on a massive scale.
* It’s true that Africans never domesticated the ostrich, but a Mr. Hardy pulled off the trick in the 19th Century. In the late nineteenth century, South African farmers raised almost a million of these 300-pound birds to supply the fancy hat industry with feathers.
* Most strikingly, Diamond failed to recall that elephant-mounted African warriors did swarm north to decimate horse-mounted Romans and almost create an empire that spanned Africa and Europe in perhaps the most famous feat of ancient warfare: Hannibal crossing the Alps.
… …. …
Then why do the Fulanis do not have the wheel if they have cattle????
You will never answer because you know I am right.
Or you will twists this into something I never said.
I could fill pages on where Diamond is worng, but you would mock me, call me ignorant, and refuse to concede one damn point.
You are like an 8 year old who cna not concede one damn point nor lose one damn game.
Diamond is wrong on dozens and dozens of points,
He was motivated by white guilt but he failed because his theory is completely flawed… only a self loathing white or a colored person would act the way you do ET.
So which are you?
Self loathing white or colored?
I agree with ET that people are equal (including IQ’s). What is NOT equal is cultures.
As Jared Diamond, the anthropologist points out, cultures “Collapse” as Darwin does his work, from Easter Island to the Islamofascists in the ME. However in the latter case they are propped up by oil funding, as is Quebec by equalization payments.
As ET has stated the biome and ecologies of Europe were so productive in terms of rich soil that any idiot could have succeeded there , especially with the help of domesticated animals ( Diamond points out that New Guinea still does not have domesticated animals and is thus still in a Jurassic Park bubble)
When Europe was able to produce more than needed for each peasant, then surplus people could have time to start to think, to invent; hence leading eventually to modern government, the end of feudalism, with the separation of Church and State etc and onward to contemporary society as we know it. While the ME still wanders around caught in culture based on a pastoral nomadic life of tribalism.
Mitt Romney went into this subject briefly on his book tour “No Apology”, including references to Diammond’s “Collapse”. Romney has studied how American exceptionalism evolved and what we need to do to hold onto it, instead of “Apologizing” for it. In other words let’s deal with racism with facts and logic instead of electing an incompetent Messiah to save us from our white guilt.
oz – the ‘Everyone knows’ style of argument is invalid. You have to provide empirical proof, not just an ‘appeal to the mob’ argument.
Because ‘racism’ exists does not mean that ‘race’ exists – that’s yet another logical fallacy (called ‘affirming the consequent’ in case you are interested).
Because someone’s skin colour is black or yellow or whatever does not mean that they cognitively are dissimilar.
Friend of USA – that’s strange that you say that Diamond refuses all debates; he speaks at many conferences which include debates. I don’t agree with his dim view of the success of our technology and society, but, I do agree with his ecological analysis. His work on that received the Pulitzer, the Rhone-Poulenc Prize, the Medal of Science…he writes also for the science journal of Nature. So, I think his knowledge is slightly more viable than yours on these issues.
As I suggested, you might want to read Emilio Moran, Ingold, B. Campbell, Odum..all on ecological analysis of human adaptation. They have the data base and analysis which you, rather stuck in your opinions, so obviously lack.
Your statement that ‘being an engineer and making calculations requires a high IQ’ has absolutely no relevance if your society does not require engineers. You cannot say that because there are no engineers in a society, that this means that the people have low IQs. Again..that infamous violation of the logical modus ponens and tollens.
Knowing the difference between engines has nothing to do with IQ!
Steve Sailor has no background or expertise in biology, ecology, geography or physical or other anthropology..or any science. Oh – and I’m not a neodarwinist either; and since you are obviously a fan of Sailor, then you must follow social Darwinism..which I also reject.
The pastoral nomadics, who are cattle herders in the grasslands of Africa, could not use the cattle for other than milk, blood and rarely, meat; that is – the animals were not domesticated for energy; to ride, to pull a cart, etc.
And, these animals could not, obviously, live outside of the grassland area in the rest of Africa. The fact remains – Africa lacks domestic animals.
Hannibal’s elephants were Asian elephants (from India) which CAN be domesticated; not African elephants. And they are not really domesticated as they are not bred in captivity.
Why should a people have ‘the wheel’ if they don’t have animals to pull a wagon..and their cattle are not draft animals..and if they don’t need such transportation, and if the land is not suitable (smooth and level) for wagons?
THINK. What if their population is not large enough to release men from herding duties..to, for instance, build a wagon
…and..are there enough trees in the grassland plains to use for that?…Do they have metal to use and smelt to make axes? Can they release men to build roads? How would a road help their economy? THINK.
Don’t rant and insult. Think.
ET,
I am afraid you are performing some rather egregious acts of cognitive dissonance regarding race. This is demonstrated when you say “But, the Nilotic body type IS useful in basketball. You won’t find non-Nilotic blacks, eg, Bantu, very good at basketball”. Are you not making the claim that there is a race/subspecies “Bantu” that have the racial characteristic of being not very good at basketball.
There is a strong PC movement to claim that there is no biological basis to race. Usually this argument is presented by claiming that races are not sharply different from each other and that there are no racial genes responsible for morphological and cultural differences between the races. In effect the argument goes that because there are no major differences the biological concept of race is meaningless.
Races exist but each human subspecies do not form distinct separate groups but rather flow into each other. Much the same process can be seen in the different breeds of dogs. Human racial subspecies, like breeds of dogs, can interbreed and produce viable offspring. But as the subspecies have historically been kept geographically separate they formed closed genetic communities where they developed separate physical and genetic differences according to the environment and other challenges.
This is demonstrated by your Bantu example. This is also demonstrated in so many different ways that are seen by common sense in daily life. There is also the theory of the Iceman hypothesis where the coldic northern winter environment put selective pressure on IQ to develop in the Caucasian and Asiatic subspecies.
I hate to call it subspecies but races is just such a loaded word, not that subspecies is much better!
Anyway, in order to better understand my position on race you should read the Aug 2009 article by Neven Sesardic, Race: A social destruction of a biologic concept.
The defining characteristic of humans has been the ability to adapt to our surroundings and survive. The people of subsaharan Africa had the unfortunate luck to be seperated from the rest of Africa and the world by the forbidding Saharan desert. This prohibited the natural spread of technology but eventually knowledge of iron and metal working did reach that area as did agriculture and pastoralists. In time these people would have developed further.