French health ministry issued a warning on Tuesday after eight people died and seven fell sick in two European countries from using heroin contaminated by anthrax.
French health ministry issued a warning on Tuesday after eight people died and seven fell sick in two European countries from using heroin contaminated by anthrax.
People are only taking drugs to numb the pain of living in a Capitalist-Military death society, okay?!?!. All property is theft, people; “property” is like a bourgeois concept to justify slavery and the fact that we all have too much stuff because we got rich colonizing Afghanistan and killing peaceful First Nations People. This whole stupid country was stolen.
The CIA invented heroin in a lab to kill poor people. It’s still really awesome though.
Stealing “property” isn’t a crime, okay, when there are, like, criminals in Israel who murder everybody. Arrest Bush!
Alcohol is legal so you’re all total hypocrites anyway. People who take heroin are coping with their emotional issues the best way they have. Do you know what you should do? You should congratulate them, okay? Seriously.
When the revolution comes I’m gonna be Minister of Free Drugs. Most of you are gonna get shot.
Racists!!!
Peace!!!
So you consider yourself a radical libertarian, phil?
ghost:
Look in the mirror.
Oh, phil @8:21 – just one more thing from me, re. “point b)”: Assuming, quite ridiculously, for the sake of argument, that drugs would be nice and cheap if they were legal – and that violent crime is generally more lucrative than actual employment – ask yourself this: Would you burgle (burglarize?) a house, or mug an old lady in the street, to finance a habit? If the answer is no, your point falls apart. If the answer is yes, how can you possibly claim said habit is not a serious problem?
set you free – no reflection, dude. I have a poster, though.
Assuming, quite ridiculously, for the sake of argument, that drugs would be nice and cheap if they were legal
There is nothing ridiculous about that assumption.
Indeed, it would be ridiculous to assume the opposite- that the economic laws of supply and demand and their effect on price would be suspended in a free and legal trade in opiates.
Would you burgle (burglarize?) a house, or mug an old lady in the street, to finance a habit?
Don’t know. Having never had a habit, it’s hard to say what one would do under those circumstances. People do extreme things in extreme situations. Think of the Donner Party. What would you do?
phil @11:35 – “Using is no more suicidal than going to a dog show.”
A little more desperate, though, huh?
Kate doesn’t like her bandwidth wasted on extended “debates”, so you’ll need to find someone else to argue with.
ahh, I guess I won.
A little more desperate, though, huh?
Not at all. I find chasing the dragon much more interesting and entertaining than watching a bunch of mutts prance around, but, to each his own.
That thing about it being commendable in addicts to have found a “coping mechanism” – not understandable, mind, but commendable – I once saw part of a documentary where a social-worker-woman-thingy in Junkie Central, Vancouver said that, in complete earnestness.
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“Think of the Donner Party. What would you do?”
He he, I like that. Compare pioneering migrants stuck in the snow covered mountains with desperate middle class “kids” 2 blocks from a burger joint and a job if they cared.
Extreme!
Hey what would you do if you have been in a Nazi concentration camp for 3 months and the guards came one morning and haul your feeble father away to somewhere unknown?
“See people on drugs are in the same desperate boat”…………Un huh.
Ahhhhhhh…..I see phil missed Black Mamba’s comment re.trolls.Hey. Can I be the ghost of Fidel??
But we will have to start our own blog,as I don’t want to waste Kate’s
One problem with your fantasy pill-boy. Heroin addicts can’t hold down jobs to pay for their heroin, not because of the oppression of all us mean people, but because the heroin destroys their nervous system.
You know why Rush Limbaugh is deaf? Oxycontin! That’s pure, medical grade gold that stuff. You know why he finally got off it (if he still is)? Because the drug was killing his brain, just the way it killed his ears.
You know what killed Michael Jackson? Medical grade drugs, delivered by a doctor no less, over a 10-15 year period. Killed him deader than a mackerel, but first it completely destroyed his life and his vast fortune.
That’s what makes opiates bad pilly. They’re destructive and ultimately deadly. Its not just some Puritan plot to to make sure nobody has any fun, as you’re saying.
Have you picked out your nursing home yet pilly? Get to it boy, you won’t have the capacity to make an intelligent choice much longer. If you do now, that is. Your comments today indicate the rot has advanced pretty far.
My harsh comments are not meant to demean, you by the way. They are meant to pierce the fog of justification you have surrounded yourself with. Had I the power I’d stick your ass on a desert island for a couple years and dry you out. As I don’t, a few truths will have to suffice.
Live or die, pilly. Its on you, not me.
This thing about opiates causing deafness is certainly news to me. They should publicize it.
This thing about opiates causing deafness is certainly news to me.
As it would be news to any objective scientific inquiry.
there is no case to be made for associating Oxycontin with deafness and an opioid/deafness link in general is far from proven. And in fact, far more people are killed by bleeding related to aspirin and other NSAID painkillers like ibuprofen (Advil) and the COX2-inhibitors like Celebrex than by opioids.
That’s what makes opiates bad pilly. They’re destructive and ultimately deadly.
Not sure if you’re making a point or just flapping your idjit gums for all to see but by your “logic”, substances that are destructive and ultimately deadly should be proscribed by law. Anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together would soon realize that tobacco and alcohol are by a country mile at the top of that list. So, when you gonna do your Carrie Nation thing, phantom, or are you just a garden variety right wing hypocrite, talking out of your arse.
The ultimate point is not whether a substance or activity is destructive or unhealthy. It is whether a free individual should be able to make that determination for themselves, or whether the nanny/taliban state is going to make that determination. Most of you seem to side with the nanny state/taliban approach. Kind of undermines every other thing you preach about here, no?
No, not really, phil. In a “free-market” world, the junkies would all be either dead or in prison.
As it is, we finance programms to keep them on subsistence; we can’t nerve ourselves either to help them with “tough love”, nor to hang them out to dry.
I don’t have all the answers, phil – there are legitimate questions here concerning libertarianism vs. compassionate conservatism – which divide I see as constituting the fault-line of Conservatism generally.
But look, I get it. You’re a big-time Libertarian. Go rent “Bullsh*t” by Penn and Teller. You’re boring.
Phantom Mamba…demonstrating yet again, as if it was required…scratch a conservative, find a hypocrite.
In a “free-market” world, the junkies would all be either dead or in prison.
Please, enlighten us. How would that be so?
I don’t have all the answers,
But you more than make up for that with your amazing grasp of the obvious.
Hey, as it happens, whenever I think of the Donner party, I think, “Donner kebab!”
Natural selection? Like those ‘special people’ who decide not to wear seat belts. Taking their lives into their own hands by doing something not recommended by society’s collective knowledge.