Y2Kyoto: Usunder, Down Under – Now With More Reservations!

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An Australian Liberal Party revolt over the carbon tax;

ABC news reports that five frontbenchers from Australia’s opposition Liberal party have resigned their portfolios rather than follow their leader Malcolm Turnbull in voting with Kevin Rudd’s Government on a new Emissions Trading Scheme.
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Though the ETS squeaked narrowly through Australia’s House of Representatives, its Senate is proving more robust – thanks not least to the widespread disgust by the many Senators who have read Professor Plimer’s book Heaven And Earth at the dishonesty and corruption of the AGW industry. If the Senate keeps rejecting the scheme, then the Australian government will be forced to dissolve.

Now there’s a message in there for Michael Ignatieff, hiding in plain sight.
Too bad he’s preoccupied licking self-inflicted wounds.
h/t Tim Blair.
Update:
The growing resignation list;

Tony Abbott – former Howard minister, opposition families, housing, community services and indigenous affairs portfolio.
Nick Minchin – Liberal powerbroker and leader of the opposition in the Senate.
Sophie Mirabella – early childhood education, childcare, women and youth portfolio.
Stephen Parry – Chief Opposition Whip in the Senate.
Eric Abetz – Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate.
Michael Johnson – Opposition Whip in the House of Representatives.
Tony Smith – Opposition assistant treasurer.
Mathias Cormann – Opposition parliamentary secretary
Mitch Fifield – Opposition parliamentary secretary
Brett Mason – Opposition parliamentary secretary

h/t Kathryn

46 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Usunder, Down Under – Now With More Reservations!”

  1. I wonder what will be the next hype used to separate people from their money, once the dust settles.

  2. I just heard heard on the radio our PM is now going to Copenhagen. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

  4. Going isn’t a bad thing. I have no idea what the US will do. Their top science guy may be implicated with CRU and has said a few things that are questionable at best. When you are going to be found guilty better have someone with calm common sense present on your behalf.

  5. If only we had politicians with their courage. I hope we not only win a dinosaur award, but that PM Harper gets a special T Rex award.

  6. Here’s comment 728 on the realclimate.org thread re the hacked computer. Note the editor’s response.
    “When I was a computer programmer (of commercial – not scientific – applications) in the 1960s it was gradually realised that use of the “GO TO” instruction led to “spaghetti” code that by dint of its impenetrability was virtually impossible to debug thoroughly. The correct working of such programs could not be assured other than in response to necessarily limited sets of specimen data. See “Go To Statement Considered Harmful” by Edsger W. Dijkstra (Communications of the ACM, Vol. 11, No. 3, March 1968, pp. 147-148).
    Gavin, can you assure me that times have moved on similarly in the scientific community and that GCM programs are properly structured into hierarchies of “IF THEN ELSE” and “DO UNTIL” subroutines, each properly annotated in terms of its input, output and function?
    Since we’re talking about programming practice that has been accepted for 40 years I’m sure my misgivings must be groundless. I should still like your reassurance though.
    simon abingdon
    [Response: It’s a work in progress. – gavin]”
    Unbelievable. So much for the science being “settled”.

  7. “I wonder what will be the next hype used to separate people from their money, once the dust settles”.
    I heard on one of the radio talk shows that the AlGorebatrosses are working on a new crisis, Plastic Containers are the next thing to Devastate the envirnment and separate you from your hard earned money.

  8. I agree going to Copenhagen is not a bad thing. PMSH and Prentice have time to put something together, remembering they represent Canadians.
    He has displayed backbone (Kyoto). Let’s hope he speaks out.

  9. ClimateGate Update: CEI Files Notice of Intent to Sue NASA
    The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding “ClimateGate” scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries’ freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies. Numerous informed commenters had alleged such behavior for years, all of which appears to be affirmed by leaked emails, computer codes and other data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UK’s East Anglia University.
    http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/25/climategate-update-cei-files-notice-of-intent-to-sue-nasa/

  10. It was reported on CKNW 980 in Vancouver this morning that the Provincial Environment Ministers have been summoned to Ottawa. Aparently they were scheduled to have a teleconferance now they will have face time.
    If this is true could mean they have to rethink what they were going to do or support.

  12. Fred @ 4:52
    Mega thanks for the link
    “The issues of the conflict of interest illustrated by the sample of e-mails from Phil Jones, as well as the above e-mails from Tom Karl, illustrate the extent that this corruption of climate assessements has permeated climate science. ”
    Sue Them All

  13. Let’s see now:
    Australian Liberal party fractures over Energy Tax Scheme, Oz Senate likely to refuse the Bill… possibly a election??
    New Zealand climate warmists caught playing ‘fudge the data’ to ‘make warm’ trend. I wonder if they kiss?
    EPA exposed for attempting to silence its own experts. Entire basis of declaring CO2 a ‘dangerous’ gas and a pollutant depends upon ‘harm to the environment’ finding based on (no points for guessing)…goreball warming
    EPA finding is actually based on data provided by NASA by way of “Doctor” James Hanson. Thus CEI suing NASA.
    CRU and UEA publish press releases which basically say ‘nothing to see here, move along’
    BTW, for any US readers, the comment period for the EPA’s latest Notice of Proposed Rulemaking closes on December 7 on Docket ID. No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0597. This docket does a ‘angels on the head of the pin’ consideration of the phrase ‘subject to Regulation’ when considering ‘Prevention of Significant Deterioration’. The docket is titled:
    Prevention of Significant Deterioration (PSD): Reconsideration of
    Interpretation of Regulations That Determine Pollutants Covered by the
    Federal PSD Permit Program
    Go to http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/home.html and drill down and search.
    There is already a Rule published in the CFR’s regarding the Manadatory Reporting of Greenhouse Gases. This Rule comes into effect on December 29, 2009.
    Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0472
    Is still open until NOVEMBER 27, 2009
    Proposed Rulemaking to Establish Light-Duty Vehicle Greenhouse Gas Emission Standards and Corporate Average Fuel Economy Standards”
    We (including Canada) are SO screwed if this goes into effect and is not reversed….

  14. Congratulations to the Auzzie Senators: they like the formidable Mr. Howard, are not cowards. I wish NA had some of that kind of courage.

  15. I didn’t bother reading it, but a National Newswatch link (to the Glib and Pale, IIRC) says Iggy and the Grits are dropping the green shaft carbon tax and are going with a version of crap and trade instead.

  18. Yup Australia was first in on the hysteria electing a Climate Change Friendly Government and not surprisingly they are first out.
    First to raise Interest rates and start their real economic recovery as well. All the USD debt servicing dollars sent to China is buying a crap pile of Australian coal and copper. Climate Change legislation will kill the Australian recovery and the Senate knows it.
    What we have here is a good old fashioned stand-off.

  19. “I wonder what will be the next hype used to separate people from their money, once the dust settles”.
    I heard on one of the radio talk shows that the AlGorebatrosses are working on a new crisis, Plastic Containers are the next thing to Devastate the envirnment and separate you from your hard earned money.
    Posted by: capt_bob at November 26, 2009 4:12 PM
    I agree going to Copenhagen is
    Now doesn’t that just fit in nicely with the mythical island of floating plastic in the Pacific, the size of Texas, that no one can seem to find.

  20. To our great shame, the Aussies are ahead of us, going against the stream, not only down-under but going the opposite way. They say the toilets flush backward there, do you suppose that’s what makes them slightly skewed?

  22. Wake up call to all western politicians and parties. You’re not as entrenched in as you think and things can turn ugly really quickly.

  25. Gutless Harper and gutless Prentice going to Copenhagen to hold hands with the Owe. And to think I voted for these clowns… They have a chance now to dump this bullshit….what’s the matter with these fools…oh yeah….no GUTS.

  26. Jim Prentice should have been put in a locker back in high school and never let out. If left alone he will come with another dorky legislation.

  27. What’s happening in Australia is certainly encouraging news and one can only hope that it’s contagious. AdelaideNow reported that the government only needed 7 votes for ETS to pass but with 12 resignations presumably voting against the bill hopefully this will be the first of many dominoes to fall.
    With regard to dennis’s comment about the dangers of the GOTO IMHO they have been highly exaggerated. As someone who wrote good spaghetti code years ago I found that the only time I got into trouble was when I changed code without looking at the big picture. The crusade against the GOTO is in many ways reminiscent of the desire of exponents of E-prime (E’) to eliminate the use of the word ‘is’ and all of its relatives from the English language. E’ is interesting and I find that trying to write/speak in E’ does lead to greater clarity of expression but there are times when one just can’t get away without making an unconditional assignment.
    What I’ve found is that the most hysterical adherents of GOTOless programming have usually never done any assembly language programming. In assembler you have to use branch or jump instructions to do anything and GOTO does exactly the same thing. When I first started programming 40 years ago the usual approach was to create a flowchart of the algorithm that one was implementing. Once one had the flowchart the next step was to mentally walk through the flowchart with various inputs to see if it behaved as expected. 40 years ago when I was doing batch programming at UofC, turnaround time would be 24-48 hours when that computer was particularly busy and there was nothing more frustrating that to wait that long and find out your program didn’t even compile because of a missing comma. While frustrating, one benefit of this environment was that it made me write code which would execute correctly the first time 90%+ of the time. This meant making damn sure that the algorithm was correctly expressed in the flowchart, doublechecking the code produced from the flowchart to ensure it was correct and then doing a couple of runs minutely checking every punched card in the deck to ensure that there were no missing commas and that the holes punched were clean.
    The action of translating a flowchart into code is a purely mechanical one and once I had a flowchart I could convert it into either FORTRAN, assembly language, or hardware by implementing it as a state machine. Every decision box is implemented with either GOTO’s or computed GOTO’s. The only thing that structured programming has done is to cut out the flowcharting step in that the structure of the program is almost like a flowchart. After 40 years of coding I can now sit down at my IDE and just crank out code as my wetware now has so many basic algorithms hardwired into it that I no longer need to flowchart. For very elaborate algorithms this process breaks down and a couple of pages of properly structured code can be just as hard to debug as the worst spaghetti code. At this point I go back to flowcharting which has never failed me.
    Sorry for the longwinded programming history note but of all the criticisms that have been leveled at CRU, the one regarding use of GOTO is the most trite. What just occurred to me while examining the CRU code (the amount of which seems surprisingly small) is that the easiest way of understanding this type of FORTRAN code would be to convert it back to a flowchart and then look at the flowchart to sort out what is going on. I’m tempted to write a program to do this as it would be a fun exercise given the essentially unlimited memory and CPU resources I now have available but will first search to see if anyone has done this.
    There’s enough damning evidence in the climategate emails to kill AGW many times over. Sure the code is ugly by the standards of todays CompSci grads with no hardware experience, but the issue was not whether the code was pretty but why CRU refused to release the code. (To really cause head explosions in the purist CompSci grads show them some self-modifying machine code. I used to love writing this stuff).

  28. Congrats to these Aussie politicians for having some balls.
    Hey Canadian pols: The time is now to smarten up. Especially you Conservatives. Start BEHAVING LIKE CONSERVATIVES, ALREADY!

  29. the new global crisis will be water, see the dimwit from sole-Ase he floated it from the space station. Been on the burner for year’s, must share, must help poor water state’s.

  30. As I posted at Tim Blair’s blog: nothing like politicians losing their posteriors, er, positions, due to their love of global warming policies.
    These farts will be smelt around the world 🙂

  32. Baghdad Ed and “Mr. McGuinty”, aka the swagmen: Divvying up the AGW Fraud Loot.
    The utter ignorance of these two swagmen is appalling.
    Waltzing Matilda:
    “Once a jolly swagman sat beside the billabong, Under the shade of a coulibah tree, And he sang as he sat and waited till his billy boiled:”
    >>> “If there’s money to be found in carbon reductions, we want that money to stay inside our province so we can use it to further green our economy and develop jobs,” Mr. McGuinty told reporters. “We didn’t develop this economic value so that it could be confiscated from us and given to another part of the country.”
    …-
    “Stelmach urges provinces to unite behind ‘realistic’ climate-change plan
    Oil sands aren’t the enemy, Alberta Premier says”
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/stelmach-urges-provinces-to-unite-behind-realistic-climate-change-plan/article1379373/

  33. O’Gore’s Cabbage Patch Doll is a Tar Baby; a voodoo doll.
    Tar’n’feather the AGW fraudsters.
    “At this rate, Copenhagen is going to turn into a comedy convention with the real world laughing at these liars.”
    …-
    “Climategate e-mails sweep America, may scuttle Barack Obama’s Cap and Trade laws
    Just a few considerations in addition to previous remarks about the explosion of the East Anglia Climategate e-mails in America. The reaction is growing exponentially there. Fox News, Barack Obama’s Nemesis, is now on the case, trampling all over Al Gore’s organic vegetable patch and breaking the White House windows. It has extracted some of the juiciest quotes from the e-mails and displayed them on-screen, with commentaries.
    Joe Public, coast-to-coast, now knows, thanks to the clowns at East Anglia’s CRU, just how royally he has been screwed.
    Senator James Inhofe’s Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has written to all the relevant US Government agencies, acquainting them with the nature of the e-mails. But the real car crash for Obama is on Capitol Hill where it is now confidently believed his Cap and Trade climate legislation is toast. It was always problematic; but with a growing awakening to the scale of the scientific imposture sweeping the world, as far as the Antipodes, the clever money is on Cap and Trade laws failing to pass, with many legislators sceptical and the mid-term elections looming ever closer.
    At the more domestic level, the proposed ban on incandescent light bulbs, so supinely accepted in this servile state of Britain, is now provoking a huge backlash in America. US citizens do not like the government coming into their houses and putting their lights out. Voters may not understand the cut and thrust of climate debate at the technical level, but they know when the Man from Washington has crossed their threshold uninvited.
    The term that Fox News is now applying to the Climategate e-mails is “game-changer”. For the first time, Anthropogenic Global Warming cranks are on the defensive, losing their cool and uttering desperate mantras such as “You can be sceptical, not denial.” Gee, thanks, guys. In fact we shall be whatever we want to be, without asking your permission.
    At this rate, Copenhagen is going to turn into a comedy convention with the real world laughing at these liars. Now is the time to mount massive resistance to the petty tyrants and hit them where it hurts – in the wallet. Further down the line there may be, in many countries, a question of criminal prosecution of anybody who has falsified data to secure funds and impose potentially disastrous fiscal restraints on the world in deference to a massive hoax. It’s a new world out there, Al, and, as you may have noticed, the climate is very cold indeed.”
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100018034/climategate-e-mails-sweep-america-may-scuttle-barack-obamas-cap-and-trade-laws/

  34. Meanwhile,
    in the US with polls showing support for AGW theory dropping to the 30% range and no bottom in sight, Obama plunges headlong into his vow to bring the crippling cap and trade plan to his suffering economy.
    Perhaps the most tone deaf and ideologically blind president in American history.
    In the meantime, let us also enjoy watching the Dems face devestation in the upcoming 2010 mid terms.

  35. Check out Lord Moncton on what the Copehagen Treaty would mean to the West, should it go through. Scary business. I sure hope Prentice and Harper stand their ground. I especially hope that China and India balk at signing or were in big doodoo.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAkiDhS0XIA
    Take time to watch, 4 minute eye opener.

  36. Not to be too picky….but could people please spell the lord’s name properly….MONCKTON….Moncton is a town in NB….good clip tewchip

  37. tewchip: I heard all over the news today that China is agreeing to cut their emissions by 35%….so I think they are buying in (or at least pretending to)

  39. Let’s not condemn Harper for going to Copenhagen…yet!
    For all we know, he may start his speech with “Canada will not accept any new measures that will put our national economy at risk based on data that has been created through fraud….”
    Our media would not be able to ignore that!
    (to PMSH…please! please! please!)

  41. Jay — that’s yet another “strawman” poll. There are three important question: HOW is the climate changing (if at all), WHY is it changing (if at all), and WHAT should be done about that (if anything). If you answer the question at the poll (“do you believe climate change is real”) with a YES, then your answer is taken as support of the AGW hypothesis; if you answer NO, then you’re a head-in-the-sand “denier” — which would be true. The correct answer isn’t posted: YES, but nobody knows how much, how fast, or why!
    So, in reality there’s no way for this poll to go wrong for the AGW crowd…except if it’s ignored.

  42. Gotta give the Aussies points for integrity. I could never imagine one MP doing this in Canada.

  43. Those Chinese….clever…or cunning?
    The news said they agreed to cut their INCREASE in emmisions 35-45%.
    That is remarkably different than what the pols have in mind for the rest of us.
    Sharpen your scalping knives……

  44. Just finished writing an email to the PM. I’ve never contacted a politician before in my life! Hopefully others feel as compelled as I did.

  45. Harper attends Commonwealth summit where climate change will be a major topic of discussion. Harper agrees to attend Copenhagen meeting on climate change after President Obama indicates he will attend! World leaders addressing climate change; must not be a myth after all!

  46. So now we know — there are three kinds:
       i) Liars,
       ii) Damned Liars, and
       iii) Climate Scientists.
    Garth

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