At Planet Gore, more exerpts from the Hadley CRU files;
And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.
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I love the e-mails back and forth about the endpoint problem in the F77 models, where the interpolation algorithm tends to skew the graph way up near the endpoint regardless of the input data because of the way the algorithm works.
They weren’t worried about the algorithm per se, but whether it would be noticed.
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I’m a researcher, at least when I find the time. I have considerable experience writing and reviewing technical papers.
Presuming that these email excerpts collected by Delingpole are not taken out of context, this is amazing stuff. It indicates a clear debauchery and politicalization of the scientific method.
All researchers want their horse to win, but for most its tempered – at least at the conscious level – by a deep dedication to fair play and the truth. As a whole their integrity has always impressed me. If these emails by Phil Jones are as bad as they appear, he should spend the rest of his days as a Wall-Mart greeter, cause he doesn’t deserve to be a scientist.
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Last night I did a Google search for FOI2009.ZIP and got 19 results, tonight I get 1080.
Expect much more of this.
Update: The Hadley hack makes the NYT.
Perhaps when all the dust settles, the few remaining Hadley-ites could form a touring rap group called 2 Dead CRU.
Lord Monckton might be able to arrange some venues at which they can perform.
Fox news has picked up the story.
James Delingpole nails it with this commentary:
“The world is currently cooling; electorates are increasingly reluctant to support eco-policies leading to more oppressive regulation, higher taxes and higher utility bills; the tide is turning against Al Gore’s Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. The so-called “sceptical” view is now also the majority view.
Unfortunately, we’ve a long, long way to go before the public mood (and scientific truth) is reflected by our policy makers. There are too many vested interests in AGW, with far too much to lose either in terms of reputation or money, for this to end without a bitter fight.
But if the Hadley CRU scandal is true, it’s a blow to the AGW lobby’s credibility which is never likely to recover.”
I fully expect the squealing of hogs at the trough to be loud and sonorous. But in the end they will be done like breakfast bacon.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Disgusting.
Of course, what could one expect from “Dr.” Jones, who, when asked by Warwick Hughes for data in 2005, responded “Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”
Scumbag. Liar. Poltroon. Cultist.
Anything but a scientist.
It’s the Hadley Particle Colluder. And the sceptics said it couldn’t be done.
Just about the best thing that could happen in December, in Copenhagen, is PMSH call BULLSH*T!! and walk out.
I see the folks at RealClimate.org are already busy with this leak, using the typical “nothing to see here, move along” bumpf.
I don’t begrudge them their expertise — I begrudge the continuous, low-level arrogance towards any and all who have the temerity to interpret this sort of stuff differently than they do. They’re scientists, ferchrissake, not high priests.
Nevertheless, they’re probably right that this won’t go anywhere, but not for the stated reasons: instead, there’s simply too many people who are too heavily invested with the narrative to revise it at this stage of the game.
I wonder how many more years of actual cooling we’re going to have to see before some of them finally start publicly voicing doubts? Any guesses?
Garth
The CRU Cuts and the Lamestream Media will make the so called Hacking the issue, in fact they’ve already started. All their efforts will go toward diverting attention from the e-mails and documents. But, as people continue to examine the content and divulge some of the more damning information, the scandal will continue to grow. This story has legs. As Yogi says “It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”
Andy
“Hadley Particle Colluder”
Hilarious. I love it.
As Joe mentioned previously;
It is time for a similar move to the separation of church and state.
The separation of governments/politicians from universities, academia, science, public schools AND the United Nations !!
If any of this is real, it’s disgusting. Policies are decided on falsities. What the hell are these people thinking?
The ‘whistleblowers’ should be rewarded for their efforts to expose the truth, not persecuted as hackers.
The warming fascists will want to see them boiled in oil.
Garth said “..I begrudge the continuous, low-level arrogance towards any and all who have the temerity to interpret this sort of stuff differently…”
Like most people at this site I have been calling the whole global warming thing a scam from day one and have put up with condescending eye rolls, sighs and pure blatant rudeness.
As this story grows I will be wearing a smug look and will be gently prodding these people for opinions on this matter now that it’s proven to be a scam. Petty? You bet.
Not to worry. Charles Johnson has debunked everything. Move along now. Nothing to see here.
Have you noticed the deathly silence from the warm mongers on this and the previous thread? What happened? Did they freeze-up? How could that happen? Could there be such a thing as a Hotsicle in this oven-like climate?
I just checked a number of Canadian news sites, including the following:
* CBC
* CTV
* Globe and Mail
* CKNW
* Toronto Sun
* Toronto Star
* Vancouver Sun
* National Post
None are carrying this story (or, if they are, it’s buried far beneath the front page).
I was particularly disappointed with that last one. Is it any wonder I have forsaken the Canadian media in favor of U.S. sources and blogs? This is a massive story, now going on 24 hours old, and Canadian coverage is non-existent.
I wasn’t expecting the story to appear in print in this morning’s paper of course, but with the end of business day approaching (EST), to see this story ignored online is remarkable.
“I see the folks at RealClimate.org are already busy with this leak, using the typical “nothing to see here, move along” bumpf.”
This is the same website implied to be controlling the message in one of the leaked e-mails. How can they possibly claim to be credible on whether this is important or not?
I second Ghost of Ed, andycanuck wins the thread with:
“Hadley Particle Colluder”
Priceless!
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Here’s a link where the emails in question can be searched:
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/
Oh, I expect that the AGW team and their MSM partners are coming up with a cover story.
Plan A- There will be a co-ordinated attack against…that horrible unregulated internet and the influence of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Plan B- Create a diversion by introducing some earth-shattering story and beating it to death until the ‘hacker’ story blows over. After all, they have pretty much ignored every other piece of damning evidence and skeptical argument.
Meanwhile, I suppose some are busy dumping their alternative energy and carbon market investments and short-selling, just in case.
Hack…I doubt it….more likely a LEAK…a DEEP THROAT…..too much volume for a hack.
It is put about that the Police have been informed.
The problem Hadley has with that is that the Police will secure/seize Hadley’s files and in the process of investigation/prosecution the veracity of this will be established and then the cops have evidence of addition criminal activity–and a new set of perps—does the term treason, sedition come to mind.
If this stuff is the real McCoy—Real Climate, GISS and the IPCC are in the bag as well.
The question is will it go anywhere—the UK Home Office is no less compromised than the OBOZO/Holder Justice Department.
In all likelihood the CIA/MI5-6 were already aware but the LEAK put it on the INTERNET because the legacy media are compromised as well.
Shhh…hacking is only ok when the CHRC does it.
“The CRU Cuts and the Lamestream Media will make the so called Hacking the issue, in fact they’ve already started. All their efforts will go toward diverting attention from the e-mails and documents.”
that’s exactly what we see here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm
I emailed Tom Clark at CTV earlier today.
Curious to see if he has anything to say about Hadley CRU fudged AGW numbers or will he just keep whining and yapping about the Taliban being shaken up by their own police after being captured.
They were probably dressed in bourkas when captured, to boot.
Just saw the story featured on Fox News.com. If you ignore it long enough it will surely go away, is surely the thinking in MSM.
It is too complete for just a hack. The dump includes emails, PDFs, and even the Fortran 77 source code for the models.
This was done by a Deep Throat on the inside.
I complained to the National Post with this email:
Amazed this isn’t being reported, especially by you guys. And on the front page.
[Watts Up link]
A major leak of data from the main suppliers of climate data, pretty much saying it is all a lie. One would think it is a big story, or are we content running pictures of kids getting an h1n1 shot, Obama and windmills?
Andy, good on ya!
Just sent this off to cbc.ca. I’m not naive enough to think it will have any effect, but it felt good nonetheless:
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A huge story has been unfolding since yesterday that I see continues to be ignored by the CBC.ca “news” department. Don’t feel bad though. Most of your counterparts in the Canadian media are also ignoring the story. I will be curious to see if, by this evening, the story continues to be ignored by Mansbridge and company.
You are no doubt aware of it, but so there’s no doubt what I’m talking about, refer the article entitled “Climate Skeptics See ‘Smoking Gun’ in Researchers’ Leaked E-Mails” at this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html
“I second Ghost of Ed, andycanuck wins the thread with:
“Hadley Particle Colluder””
Me three, as I sponge the coffee off my keyboard.
I love the e-mails back and forth about the endpoint problem in the F77 models, where the interpolation algorithm tends to skew the graph way up near the endpoint regardless of the input data because of the way the algorithm works.
They weren’t worried about the algorithm per se, but whether it would be noticed.
Just out of curiosity I just finished a little tour of the lunatic fringe side of the blogosphere to see what the reaction is there to this news.
Big City Lib has two entries both in full on denial that this means anything. There were, at the time that I visited, a grand total of 17 comments, mostly from folks telling him he was out to lunch and his pathetic attempt at rebuttal.
Everybody else was completely silent, although several did have posts up with today’s date. These include Dr. Dawg, Saskboy, Stoogeleft (although he did have an entry a few days ago criticizing the lack of enthusiasm from the worlds political leaders, including Obama, about the upcoming Copenhagen conference), Canadian Cynic, Bow, James Bow, My Blahg, Unrepentant Old Hippie and Daily Kos.
Red Tory has a blog entry about the general global warming issue, but of course it was just more of the same old same old, with no hint of any acknowledgment that this story had broken.
Bunch of losers.
Colin, love that you rubbed CBCs nose in Foxnews. That’s gotta cause some self-righteous discomfort among the CBC journos.
OwebamaRahm (and some other leaders) has been a little negative about a final accord coming out next month, could it be that this “hack” was already known and there was a wait and see attitude because of the leak??
gord @3:30…I have been tempted to send a link of this story to many of my religiously deluded/devoted AGW’ers. However I hesitate because they no doubt would claim the hacker is the problem and not the cover-up scheme.They would be required to read thru and make their own conclusions. That doesn’t work for them. If Gore and Suzuki tell them that man is causing global warming that works for them. No thinking involved.
Hopefully Copenhagen fizzles ,then I’ll prod and try not to be too smug. 😉
“I’m doing fine. We have a new building with nice new offices. I’m going
to Australia next week with Sherri and Danny, and after the meeting, will
visit Cairns, Adelaide, and New Zealand. I’m looking forward to skiing
on a volcano, if it stops erupting.”
Prof. Alan Robock
Aww, nice. I love how people get to flit around the world on taxpayer dime. If they were part of a corporation…no problem. It’s company money. When you are on public payroll…it’s email chit-chat and Skype time boys and girls. This goes DOUBLE for all these senators taking little trips on the US Military dime too!
It’s so true. When lefties get shown the facts displaying how wrong they are, they start ranting about how you got the facts.
This is deliciously good news for Western Leaders; they’ve got the perfect out for running away from the ‘Warm-ongers’ of Copenhagen…;)
check out Real Climate for their spin on this…then check out the comments….the believers refuse to see anything wrong in any of the emails.
“Climate Audit being slammed.”
That’s the price for being profiled in the WSJ.
Here are the emails all slammed in one .PDF document.
For those who couldn’t figure out how to do that.
Method for Windows at the Reference Frame website.
http://www.filedropper.com/motleycru
Seems the Lame Street Media take on this is that hacking someone’s email and data is bad.
So consistent in their beliefs. I give you, for example:
The Pentagon Papers
Sarh Palin’s hacked email
No hypocrisy, none at all.
PDF email for your viewing pleasures:
http://www.filedropper.com/motleycru
Joe Molnar @4:04 pm, good for you, CTV needs to hear from us and to deal with the extreme bias of the host, Tommy Clark on PP. Today was no better, he oozes his bias on every show.
They just don’t get the fact they’re accusing our military of knowingly handing prisoners over to be tortured. As Laurie Hahn tried to say on today’s LIBERAL Power Play, they can’t have it both ways.
Looking at that dolt Ujaal Dosey-doe on Clark’s Liberal spin show today and listen to his nonsense,we have to wonder just how damned bankrupt the Liberal party really is.
Please folks, email CTV, we deserve better.
I knew this was going on because Environment Canada did this same thing to me as far back as the 1980s. That was based mostly on personal jealousy issues, there wasn’t big Chinese money coming in, or government grants for dodgy research projects. But the process was this same one of isolation and discrediting through blacklisting, innuendo and outright lies.
And Canadians never did a thing about it, despite being told hundreds if not thousands of times.
So I blame Canada for this global warming fiasco, it started here, when world scientists heard how concerned our so-called scientists were, they figured “well, if Canada is concerned, then we should be, because they have all the ice and snow.”
People know this. There won’t be an investigation of my situation because, let’s face it, I am almost dead now and it’s better for the country not to know what a rotten pile of shit lies at the very heart of this country and all its massive snd stupefying myths and illusions. I mean, don’t bother looking into it, you might not like what you find out.
Even conservatives, who can talk a good game, don’t go very far into actual investigation of these purely Canadian problems. They prefer to think the problems are all with European socialists or American p.c. twits, and they enable their own fellow citizens to do whatever comes into their tiny little minds, as often as they wish … I mean, this is the world’s greatest country. Nobody else has anything quite like Tim Hortons. Or the Liberal Party of Canada, a rotten, corrupt, conmmunist conspiracy full of liars and cheats. Why 30% of the people in this country vote for them is a disgrace too, and stupid because their patronage can only reach the first 5%.
AGW: the best scientific idea since eugenics!
AGW: The theory that does for climate science what Bernie Madoff did for investing!
AGW: The fact free, evidence free way to make money!
AGW: Al Gore’s gift to the world!
AGW: The scam that keeps on taking!
Let’s not be so sure that these revelations will stop the AGW industry. Recall a time when claims that human life began at conception were ridiculed as unscientific; eventually, pro-abortion advocates simply changed the subject. Consider also the insistence of the “gay” lobby that homosexuality is an ascribed characteristic, while they simultaneously seek to prevent any real research on the question. When truth is relative, all that remains is raw power.
Roseberry may be right. A lot of people have a vested interest in this hoax being accepted. Hopefully not and that this gets more legs than a centipede.
Don’t forget, to lefties truth is whatever suits their agenda.
As a British Columbian who has just paid an additional 2% on my natural gas heating bill this morning to account for the BC Carbon Tax to combat “global warming”, does anyone know how I ask Premier Gordon Campbell for the refund of a tax that was based on “science” which is a hoax?
If this was a hack, the police would have been called immediately. I agree with those suggesting it’s a leak. That would explain the four day delay as the CRU desperately tries to discover who could possibly have compiled the data.
If it’s a leak, it is likely someone who is able to gain root access to the servers. If a hack, it’s a demonstration of very bad security.
There’s evidence it’s a UNIX server, which also suggests a leak rather than a hack.
It’s unbelievable!!!
And ChrisinMB is right, I have looked at BBC and story is about hack and nothing about hack’ content. Majority of other MSM are silent. It seems that many people (and organizations) have vested interest to keep it….. spinning.