Perhaps when all the dust settles, the few remaining Hadley-ites could form a touring rap group called 2 Dead CRU.

Lord Monckton might be able to arrange some venues at which they can perform.

Fox news has picked up the story.

James Delingpole nails it with this commentary:

"The world is currently cooling; electorates are increasingly reluctant to support eco-policies leading to more oppressive regulation, higher taxes and higher utility bills; the tide is turning against Al Gore’s Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. The so-called “sceptical” view is now also the majority view.

Unfortunately, we’ve a long, long way to go before the public mood (and scientific truth) is reflected by our policy makers. There are too many vested interests in AGW, with far too much to lose either in terms of reputation or money, for this to end without a bitter fight.

But if the Hadley CRU scandal is true, it’s a blow to the AGW lobby’s credibility which is never likely to recover."

I fully expect the squealing of hogs at the trough to be loud and sonorous. But in the end they will be done like breakfast bacon.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Disgusting.

Of course, what could one expect from "Dr." Jones, who, when asked by Warwick Hughes for data in 2005, responded "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?"

Scumbag. Liar. Poltroon. Cultist.

Anything but a scientist.

It's the Hadley Particle Colluder. And the sceptics said it couldn't be done.

Just about the best thing that could happen in December, in Copenhagen, is PMSH call BULLSH*T!! and walk out.

I see the folks at RealClimate.org are already busy with this leak, using the typical "nothing to see here, move along" bumpf.

I don't begrudge them their expertise — I begrudge the continuous, low-level arrogance towards any and all who have the temerity to interpret this sort of stuff differently than they do.  They're scientists, ferchrissake, not high priests.

Nevertheless, they're probably right that this won't go anywhere, but not for the stated reasons: instead, there's simply too many people who are too heavily invested with the narrative to revise it at this stage of the game.

I wonder how many more years of actual cooling we're going to have to see before some of them finally start publicly voicing doubts?  Any guesses?

Garth

The CRU Cuts and the Lamestream Media will make the so called Hacking the issue, in fact they've already started. All their efforts will go toward diverting attention from the e-mails and documents. But, as people continue to examine the content and divulge some of the more damning information, the scandal will continue to grow. This story has legs. As Yogi says "It ain't over 'til it's over."

Andy
"Hadley Particle Colluder"
Hilarious. I love it.

As Joe mentioned previously;

It is time for a similar move to the separation of church and state.

The separation of governments/politicians from universities, academia, science, public schools AND the United Nations !!

If any of this is real, it's disgusting. Policies are decided on falsities. What the hell are these people thinking?

The 'whistleblowers' should be rewarded for their efforts to expose the truth, not persecuted as hackers.

The warming fascists will want to see them boiled in oil.

Garth said "..I begrudge the continuous, low-level arrogance towards any and all who have the temerity to interpret this sort of stuff differently..."

Like most people at this site I have been calling the whole global warming thing a scam from day one and have put up with condescending eye rolls, sighs and pure blatant rudeness.

As this story grows I will be wearing a smug look and will be gently prodding these people for opinions on this matter now that it's proven to be a scam. Petty? You bet.

Not to worry. Charles Johnson has debunked everything. Move along now. Nothing to see here.

Have you noticed the deathly silence from the warm mongers on this and the previous thread? What happened? Did they freeze-up? How could that happen? Could there be such a thing as a Hotsicle in this oven-like climate?

I just checked a number of Canadian news sites, including the following:

* CBC
* CTV
* Globe and Mail
* CKNW
* Toronto Sun
* Toronto Star
* Vancouver Sun
* National Post

None are carrying this story (or, if they are, it's buried far beneath the front page).

I was particularly disappointed with that last one. Is it any wonder I have forsaken the Canadian media in favor of U.S. sources and blogs? This is a massive story, now going on 24 hours old, and Canadian coverage is non-existent.

I wasn't expecting the story to appear in print in this morning's paper of course, but with the end of business day approaching (EST), to see this story ignored online is remarkable.

"I see the folks at RealClimate.org are already busy with this leak, using the typical "nothing to see here, move along" bumpf."

This is the same website implied to be controlling the message in one of the leaked e-mails. How can they possibly claim to be credible on whether this is important or not?

I second Ghost of Ed, andycanuck wins the thread with:

"Hadley Particle Colluder"

Priceless!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Here's a link where the emails in question can be searched:

http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

Oh, I expect that the AGW team and their MSM partners are coming up with a cover story.

Plan A- There will be a co-ordinated attack against...that horrible unregulated internet and the influence of the vast right wing conspiracy.

Plan B- Create a diversion by introducing some earth-shattering story and beating it to death until the 'hacker' story blows over. After all, they have pretty much ignored every other piece of damning evidence and skeptical argument.

Meanwhile, I suppose some are busy dumping their alternative energy and carbon market investments and short-selling, just in case.

Hack...I doubt it....more likely a LEAK...a DEEP THROAT.....too much volume for a hack.
It is put about that the Police have been informed.
The problem Hadley has with that is that the Police will secure/seize Hadley's files and in the process of investigation/prosecution the veracity of this will be established and then the cops have evidence of addition criminal activity--and a new set of perps---does the term treason, sedition come to mind.
If this stuff is the real McCoy---Real Climate, GISS and the IPCC are in the bag as well.
The question is will it go anywhere---the UK Home Office is no less compromised than the OBOZO/Holder Justice Department.
In all likelihood the CIA/MI5-6 were already aware but the LEAK put it on the INTERNET because the legacy media are compromised as well.

Shhh...hacking is only ok when the CHRC does it.

"The CRU Cuts and the Lamestream Media will make the so called Hacking the issue, in fact they've already started. All their efforts will go toward diverting attention from the e-mails and documents."

that's exactly what we see here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm

I emailed Tom Clark at CTV earlier today.

Curious to see if he has anything to say about Hadley CRU fudged AGW numbers or will he just keep whining and yapping about the Taliban being shaken up by their own police after being captured.
They were probably dressed in bourkas when captured, to boot.

Just saw the story featured on Fox News.com. If you ignore it long enough it will surely go away, is surely the thinking in MSM.

It is too complete for just a hack. The dump includes emails, PDFs, and even the Fortran 77 source code for the models.

This was done by a Deep Throat on the inside.

I complained to the National Post with this email:

Amazed this isn't being reported, especially by you guys. And on the front page.

[Watts Up link]

A major leak of data from the main suppliers of climate data, pretty much saying it is all a lie. One would think it is a big story, or are we content running pictures of kids getting an h1n1 shot, Obama and windmills?

Andy, good on ya!

Just sent this off to cbc.ca. I'm not naive enough to think it will have any effect, but it felt good nonetheless:

~~~~~~~~

A huge story has been unfolding since yesterday that I see continues to be ignored by the CBC.ca "news" department. Don't feel bad though. Most of your counterparts in the Canadian media are also ignoring the story. I will be curious to see if, by this evening, the story continues to be ignored by Mansbridge and company.

You are no doubt aware of it, but so there's no doubt what I'm talking about, refer the article entitled "Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails" at this link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html

"I second Ghost of Ed, andycanuck wins the thread with:

"Hadley Particle Colluder""

Me three, as I sponge the coffee off my keyboard.

I love the e-mails back and forth about the endpoint problem in the F77 models, where the interpolation algorithm tends to skew the graph way up near the endpoint regardless of the input data because of the way the algorithm works.

They weren't worried about the algorithm per se, but whether it would be noticed.

Just out of curiosity I just finished a little tour of the lunatic fringe side of the blogosphere to see what the reaction is there to this news.

Big City Lib has two entries both in full on denial that this means anything. There were, at the time that I visited, a grand total of 17 comments, mostly from folks telling him he was out to lunch and his pathetic attempt at rebuttal.

Everybody else was completely silent, although several did have posts up with today's date. These include Dr. Dawg, Saskboy, Stoogeleft (although he did have an entry a few days ago criticizing the lack of enthusiasm from the worlds political leaders, including Obama, about the upcoming Copenhagen conference), Canadian Cynic, Bow, James Bow, My Blahg, Unrepentant Old Hippie and Daily Kos.

Red Tory has a blog entry about the general global warming issue, but of course it was just more of the same old same old, with no hint of any acknowledgment that this story had broken.

Bunch of losers.

Colin, love that you rubbed CBCs nose in Foxnews. That's gotta cause some self-righteous discomfort among the CBC journos.

OwebamaRahm (and some other leaders) has been a little negative about a final accord coming out next month, could it be that this "hack" was already known and there was a wait and see attitude because of the leak??

gord @3:30...I have been tempted to send a link of this story to many of my religiously deluded/devoted AGW'ers. However I hesitate because they no doubt would claim the hacker is the problem and not the cover-up scheme.They would be required to read thru and make their own conclusions. That doesn't work for them. If Gore and Suzuki tell them that man is causing global warming that works for them. No thinking involved.

Hopefully Copenhagen fizzles ,then I'll prod and try not to be too smug. ;)

"I'm doing fine. We have a new building with nice new offices. I'm going
to Australia next week with Sherri and Danny, and after the meeting, will
visit Cairns, Adelaide, and New Zealand. I'm looking forward to skiing
on a volcano, if it stops erupting."

Prof. Alan Robock

Aww, nice. I love how people get to flit around the world on taxpayer dime. If they were part of a corporation...no problem. It's company money. When you are on public payroll...it's email chit-chat and Skype time boys and girls. This goes DOUBLE for all these senators taking little trips on the US Military dime too!

It's so true. When lefties get shown the facts displaying how wrong they are, they start ranting about how you got the facts.

This is deliciously good news for Western Leaders; they've got the perfect out for running away from the 'Warm-ongers' of Copenhagen...;)

check out Real Climate for their spin on this...then check out the comments....the believers refuse to see anything wrong in any of the emails.

"Climate Audit being slammed."

That's the price for being profiled in the WSJ.

Here are the emails all slammed in one .PDF document.

For those who couldn't figure out how to do that.

Method for Windows at the Reference Frame website.

http://www.filedropper.com/motleycru

Seems the Lame Street Media take on this is that hacking someone's email and data is bad.

So consistent in their beliefs. I give you, for example:

The Pentagon Papers

Sarh Palin's hacked email

No hypocrisy, none at all.

PDF email for your viewing pleasures:

http://www.filedropper.com/motleycru

Joe Molnar @4:04 pm, good for you, CTV needs to hear from us and to deal with the extreme bias of the host, Tommy Clark on PP. Today was no better, he oozes his bias on every show.

They just don't get the fact they're accusing our military of knowingly handing prisoners over to be tortured. As Laurie Hahn tried to say on today's LIBERAL Power Play, they can't have it both ways.

Looking at that dolt Ujaal Dosey-doe on Clark's Liberal spin show today and listen to his nonsense,we have to wonder just how damned bankrupt the Liberal party really is.

Please folks, email CTV, we deserve better.

I knew this was going on because Environment Canada did this same thing to me as far back as the 1980s. That was based mostly on personal jealousy issues, there wasn't big Chinese money coming in, or government grants for dodgy research projects. But the process was this same one of isolation and discrediting through blacklisting, innuendo and outright lies.

And Canadians never did a thing about it, despite being told hundreds if not thousands of times.

So I blame Canada for this global warming fiasco, it started here, when world scientists heard how concerned our so-called scientists were, they figured "well, if Canada is concerned, then we should be, because they have all the ice and snow."

People know this. There won't be an investigation of my situation because, let's face it, I am almost dead now and it's better for the country not to know what a rotten pile of shit lies at the very heart of this country and all its massive snd stupefying myths and illusions. I mean, don't bother looking into it, you might not like what you find out.

Even conservatives, who can talk a good game, don't go very far into actual investigation of these purely Canadian problems. They prefer to think the problems are all with European socialists or American p.c. twits, and they enable their own fellow citizens to do whatever comes into their tiny little minds, as often as they wish ... I mean, this is the world's greatest country. Nobody else has anything quite like Tim Hortons. Or the Liberal Party of Canada, a rotten, corrupt, conmmunist conspiracy full of liars and cheats. Why 30% of the people in this country vote for them is a disgrace too, and stupid because their patronage can only reach the first 5%.

AGW: the best scientific idea since eugenics!
AGW: The theory that does for climate science what Bernie Madoff did for investing!
AGW: The fact free, evidence free way to make money!
AGW: Al Gore's gift to the world!
AGW: The scam that keeps on taking!

Let's not be so sure that these revelations will stop the AGW industry. Recall a time when claims that human life began at conception were ridiculed as unscientific; eventually, pro-abortion advocates simply changed the subject. Consider also the insistence of the "gay" lobby that homosexuality is an ascribed characteristic, while they simultaneously seek to prevent any real research on the question. When truth is relative, all that remains is raw power.

Roseberry may be right. A lot of people have a vested interest in this hoax being accepted. Hopefully not and that this gets more legs than a centipede.

Don't forget, to lefties truth is whatever suits their agenda.

As a British Columbian who has just paid an additional 2% on my natural gas heating bill this morning to account for the BC Carbon Tax to combat "global warming", does anyone know how I ask Premier Gordon Campbell for the refund of a tax that was based on "science" which is a hoax?

If this was a hack, the police would have been called immediately. I agree with those suggesting it's a leak. That would explain the four day delay as the CRU desperately tries to discover who could possibly have compiled the data.

If it's a leak, it is likely someone who is able to gain root access to the servers. If a hack, it's a demonstration of very bad security.

There's evidence it's a UNIX server, which also suggests a leak rather than a hack.

It's unbelievable!!!
And ChrisinMB is right, I have looked at BBC and story is about hack and nothing about hack' content. Majority of other MSM are silent. It seems that many people (and organizations) have vested interest to keep it..... spinning.

Majority of other MSM are silent."

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

(Quote) Please folks, email CTV, we deserve better.(Unquote)
Posted by: Liz J at November 20, 2009 5:44 PM

Lieberal Power Play with Tommy the Commy is pretty much a waste of time, it's not even worth watching for a good laugh anymore!

The "watermelons'" side of the story...should be good for making the corn grow...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/

Circling the wagons in trough hog land.

Milk is spilt ... add the vinegar .... make cheese!

Cbc radio has a site where you can submit questions for the dynamic duo of Suzuki and Gore who will be there on the 25th. Oddly enough they stopped taking questions about 8 hours ago,perhaps because they were linked to from here about then. If you want to try, http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2009/11/ask_al_gore_and_david_suzuki.html#comments .

"Q Blog: Ask Al Gore and David Suzuki...
Thank you for commenting.
Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner."

These people don't quite get it, we are the owners, fire them all!

And yet the Arctic, Antarctic and glaciers continue to melt. Go figure.

Now, I know that the last thing we can expect the right to do is wait for an explanation, but if you hunt around a bit, you see that the scientists in question are already out explaining how when they say things like "trick", the don't mean "to fool".

Regardless, go on ignoring the fact that every single major scientific body on the planet is in consensus that climate change is happening, and humans are partially the cause.

Just wait for the "SUICIDES" to begin.

is the fall of climate change directly affecting the increase of post secondary education?

Regardless, go on ignoring the fact that every single major scientific body on the planet is in consensus that climate change is happening, and humans are partially the cause.

Posted by: John at November 20, 2009 7:30 PM Yes,and every 5 year old says that Santa will be coming in a month or so.That doesn't make it true.

in cost might clear that up a bit.

I'm a researcher, at least when I find the time. I have considerable experience writing and reviewing technical papers.

Presuming that these email excerpts collected by Delingpole are not taken out of context, this is amazing stuff. It indicates a clear debauchery and politicalization of the scientific method.

All researchers want their horse to win, but for most its tempered - at least at the conscious level - by a deep dedication to fair play and the truth. As a whole their integrity has always impressed me. If these emails by Phil Jones are as bad as they appear, he should spend the rest of his days as a Wall-Mart greeter, cause he doesn't deserve to be a scientist.

Thanks TJ, for that site link, for those of us that had a download fail... :(

Anyways...on this page:
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?page=43&pp=25
I found this quite interesting, almost at the bottom of it...

AGU Climate Scientists,

We are writing to encourage hundreds of you to participate in a unique opportunity to improve the public's climate knowledge during the week before and the week of this year's AGU Fall Meeting.

As you know, the Copenhagen negotiations (Dec. 7-18) are attracting hundreds of journalists
and will result in a proliferation of media articles about climate change. Recently, the
American public's "belief" in climate change has waned (36% think humans are warming the
earth according to the Pew Center's October poll), and December's media blitz provides an
opportunity to reverse the trend.

Your participation is needed to ensure that climate science coverage across media channels
is accurate, fact-based, and nuanced. Provided that enough AGU members sign up to
participate, we will be offering the opportunity for journalists reporting during the
Copenhagen conference to submit their questions on-line and receive a response from a
climate expert before an article goes to press.

(emphaiss in bold are mine)

When did it get to the point that 'experts' needed to be 'nuanced' to speak the truth?
FOX is the only news network with any jounalistic balls these days.

And yet the Arctic, Antarctic and glaciers continue to melt. Go figure.

And your source for this bullcrap is ?

Aggregate polar ice cap mass has been increasing for at least the last 30 years.

Look up "East Antarctic Ice Sheet" for a start.

I agree John, climate change is happening. What about anthropological global warming? Why the name change?

As for the Arctic, there was more ice in 2009 than in 2008. There was more ice in 2008 than in 2007, yet C02 levels have risen in that time? To quote Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

Artic sea ice extent

"John", you need to do better. For yourself mainly, and others. Forgetting for the moment that your quote is just parroting the marketing speak of AGW....

"Regardless, go on ignoring the fact that every single major scientific body on the planet is in consensus that climate change is happening, and humans are partially the cause."

Please list these "major" bodies. Every SINGLE one like you stated. We will all wait patiently.

Now, you claim "climate change" is happening.

Please fill in the following sentence.

"The climate of earth is changing from _____ to _____.

Simple. If something is changing you should be able to state from what to what.

We all await your answers.

You know, I've been wondering if this data release is just a taste of what's to come.
You know, à la Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe.

A G&M article shilling for Dr. Fruit Fly that really, really needs the Comments section "updated"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadians-find-shame-in-status-as-climate-change-dawdlers/article1372296/

Continuing to melt eh? This has what to do with the exposure of frauds?

As much as where we live is no longer under a mile thick sheet of ice ... this bothers me .... not at all.

Glaciers Melt ... moron gets wind of story and feels obliged to mention it.

What Fraud? says John

And what will be the story in the next ten years of downswing in global temps?

You don't have a clue John ... don't know whether your ass was punched or bored.

Last night I did a Google search for FOI2009.ZIP and got 19 results, tonight I get 1080.

: John 7:30 PM

would that be John Cross, cuz I was just thinking were is John Cross:-)))

now john, there has been ample evidence of poorly conducted "sciance" in the climate change game, so, now that there appears to be evidence of wilfull misleading practices, you still be the believer drum. At this point it doen't matter as to what the real science would show, what matters is that those who have been promoting the scam have been caught lying and manipulating!!!

Latest from GlobeMail/MSM.

Please note this poll was paid for by:

a. Big MSM.
b. Big Al.
c. CRU.
d. Suzuki.
e. "Martin Mittelstaedt Environment Reporter".
f. All of the above.
...-

"Canadians find shame in status as climate change dawdlers"

"Poll finds three quarters are embarrassed that country hasn't taken international lead on cutting greenhouse gases"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadians-find-shame-in-status-as-climate-change-dawdlers/article1372296/

exceptionally damning. truly damning.

and this is just the stuff that got hacked. what about the rest of the fudging and conspiring?

this could prove to be AGW's watergate moment. fasten yer seatbelts folks !!!

Perpetrating a fradulent, multi-billion dollar money-transfer scam isn't a crime; exposing a multi-billion dollar money-transfer scam, now, THAT'S a crime:

"Professor Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Centre and a regular contributor to the popular climate science blog Real Climate, features in many of the email exchanges. He said: 'I'm not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.'"

Try this one more time and keep a copy of it lol. :)

Thaks for that site link TJ.

http://www.anelegantchaos.org

When I checked on the last link and at the very end of this file I find this:

snip*

AGU Climate Scientists,

We are writing to encourage hundreds of you to participate in a unique opportunity to
improve the public's climate knowledge during the week before and the week of this year's AGU Fall Meeting.

As you know, the Copenhagen negotiations (Dec. 7-18) are attracting hundreds of journalists
and will result in a proliferation of media articles about climate change. Recently, the
American public's "belief" in climate change has waned (36% think humans are warming the
earth according to the Pew Center's October poll), and December's media blitz provides an
opportunity to reverse the trend.

Your participation is needed to ensure that climate science coverage across media channels
is accurate, fact-based, and nuanced. Provided that enough AGU members sign up to
participate, we will be offering the opportunity for journalists reporting during the
Copenhagen conference to submit their questions on-line and receive a response from a
climate expert before an article goes to press.

Since when did real 'experts' need to be nuanced to speak about facts they are supposed 'experts' on?

I am all for stopping 'climate change'. In fact,I will contribute to any organization that can do it.One stipulation though,it must be stopped in June or July.

Can the Glob and Flail go any farther down the gutter?

This actually makes a headline?

Boy wonder enviro-reporter releases study by Hoggan associates, stating that a huge majority of Canadians want action on climate change.

Funded, of course, by the Fruitfly foundation.

Oh, and, wonder of wonders, Mr Hoggan, by great coinkidence, is the Chair of the Suzuki Foundation!

Is there no shame in these people? Or the G&M?

There might be some credence if this poll was done by Ekos, Decima, or one of the other major pollsters, whose business is accuracy.

But are Candians truly gullible enough to believe this self-serving tripe from the eco-fascists?

Michael Mann:

'I'm not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.'"

Dear Dr. Mann,

Blow me.

CBC wae right on top of the story this morning. Well not this angle, but A-M Tremonti's replacement was harassing Minister Jim Prentice, for not having a plan ready for Copenhagen, you know, Canada must be doing something on climate change, time is running out.

DanBC:

Of course there is no shame, that is an 'outmoded' concept.

The climate change "fudgers" are about as scientific as the 'hole salters' of BRE-X infamy.

As with BRE-X, climate changers are after that exactly: YOUR CHANGE will result in THEIR RICHES.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

news item on this at Faux news is gone!!!!!

they did contribute $42K to the dems, and zip to the repubs

gotta give credit to the hackers for speeding up the process of the ALREADY discredited, but nice anyways. And just in time for copout..extra nice.

Here's a NY Times article on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1&hp

I checked out the questions for Doc Fruit Fly and Gore on CBC Q blog for next Wed. Apparently questions are now closed. The majoriy are standard puffball questions, but one or two do enquire about the number of houses Fruit Fly maintains. See cbc.ca/q/blog/ They must have been well edited by the producers.

"news item on this at Faux news is gone!!!!!"

nope, it's just hard to find and not appearing in searches it seems:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html

I emailed this story to CFRA radio in Ottawa today. I have'nt seen a response yet. The morning hosts - Lowell Greene and Steve Madley are pretty common sense kind of guys and I hope would mention it on thier shows.

So far.......nothing

I guess if the media can't do thier damn jobs, we'll have to do it for them (again)

It has crossed over into the liberal press.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html

news item on this at Faux news is gone!!!!!

they did contribute $42K to the dems, and zip to the repubs
Posted by: GYM at November 20, 2009 8:43 PM

Uh, no. It's been moved from the front page, yes, but click the "Science & Tech" tab, and it's the lead story in that area.

People are missing the underlying problem here...this is COMMUNISM,masquerading as "global warming". They will do and say anything to keep it going.A few well placed baseball bats,and more if necessary,is the only way to stop this take-over from the guys attempting one world government.And starting at the top is the way to do it.

Lots of interesting comments regarding this... has anyone brought up "Fleischmann-Pons" in regards to this mess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

[quote]under no circumstances should any of this get back to Pielke.Cheers""we are having trouble to express the real message of the reconstructions - being scientifically sound in representing uncertainty , while still getting the crux of the information across clearly.”[/quote] Email data

I love that Statement "We are having trouble to express the real message of the reconstructions (FRAUD)- being scientifically sound in representing uncertainty (No science here), while still getting the crux (Bull shit) of information across clearly"

That statement will be used by the lawyers in civil trials (Commerce VS EPA), & by Federal prosecutors when one of these experts is found to have perjured themselves or refuses to answer.

Testimony, or affidavits provided to the US Congress are given under oath.

A lot of Money is involved and the fall out is huge. These shit house rats can’t trust each other, or remember what they may have said, or have written. It’s only a matter of time until the next shoe drops..

They can never assume that deleted files are all LOST

Will any of these prosecutions happen in our life time or will all the high rollers spend just enough money to drag it out until it doesn't matter anymore. It could just be a larger version of our own HRDC or adscam or maybe Bre-x games nothing really gets accomplished and people forget.

Poor guy must be delusional. Thinks he is the Robert Oppenheimer of AGW?

The New York Times has a piece

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1&hp

So where is Canadian Press or the rest of Canadian MSM now that NYT have at least put their spin out on the internet.

Tomorrow morning should give us an indication of whether Canadian MSM is willing to uncover where the bear sh*t in the Hadley buckwheat patch.

I'm just beginning to grasp what this is all about and the magnitude of it all. Will this really be as big as everyone here is suggesting? Surely some columnist is going to run with it, despite questions of legality. I mentioned it to several people at work today and got blank stares or that look of comprehension that you know is put on. Sure hope this isn't some big hoax; it seems too good to be true. (Though sad for what it says about their lying ways)

This one is good its all about the right message Michael Mann said "we don't expect to in any way be critical of the paper."

Peer Review at its finest.

At 20:12 21/05/2008, Michael Mann wrote:

Hi Phil,

Gavin and I have been discussing, we think it will be important for us to do something

on the Thompson et al paper as soon as it appears, since its likely that naysayers are

going to do their best to put a contrarian slant on this in the blogosphere.

Would you mind giving us an advance copy. We promise to fully respect Nature's embargo

(i.e., we wouldn't post any article until the paper goes public) and we don't expect to

in any way be critical of the paper. We simply want to do our best to help make sure

that the right message is emphasized.

thanks in advance for any help!

mike -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

So far, I have been enjoyed the emails about keeping doubters' papers out of "peer-reviewed" publications and methods for frustrating Freedom Of Information requests. It will be fun to watch all this unfold. The Democrat media will try to contain it, but they no longer have that power.

NYT article was interesting up to this sentence:

“But the evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so broad and deep that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument."

Hmmm. Think so? This fraud has not withstood the test of time and, IMHO, the overall argument is beyond erosion. Avalanche alert!

But the evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so broad and deep ...
that smell of BS finally woke the sleeping giant.

That's how it should be written, IMO.

BTW what evidence is NYT going on about?
Don't they keep up? We're cooling for crying out loud.

when they say things like "trick", the don't mean "to fool".
~John

You miss the fact that the prepoderance of the other e-mails show their intent is to fool people.

Regardless, you may be right about that one e-mail.
Maybe they were using the word trick as a prostitute would use it, as in " to turn a trick", whoring science out so to speak.

"All researchers want their horse to win, but for most its tempered - at least at the conscious level - by a deep dedication to fair play and the truth."

Let's not forget that Marxists have absolutely no interest in truth or fair play. Their whole philosophical system is fantasy and lies.

Thanks Kate for the info. We all know the MSM is keeping away from this like the Black Plague.
It may interrupt the Global warming pyramid scheme. If the truth ever came out.
Besides Plain what else have they to write about except love poems to Obama.
JMO

"Let's not forget that Marxists have absolutely no interest in truth or fair play. Their whole philosophical system is fantasy and lies.

Posted by: nv53 at November 21, 2009 2:16 AM "

And lets not forget their most effect one, mass murder!!!

The "whistleblown" corrupt Hadley CRU AGW data issue apparently is not newsworthy in Canadian MSM.

So far it's an SDA mostly an internet story.

But should we as Canadians be surprised?

After all, the Canadian MSM has been a purveyor/ peddler of "global warming" propaganda ever since Kyoto first emerged, so now when the Hadley "scientists" are outed as frauds the Canadian MSM finds it difficult to distance themselves from that fraud in which they are up to their sordid news disseminating asses.

I am still holding hope that the likes of Lorrie Goldstein at the Quebecor chain and Lorne Gunter at his respective outlet will come out full bore on these corrupt Hadley types and expose the rotten sham they have perpetrated on the world.

My greater hope is the the Harper government will take the initiative in this matter thus forcing the hand of Canadian MSM to acknowledge that they have been suckerd by the Hadley caliber pseudo scientists on the issue of global warming as a result of fudging numbers.

Willful blindness or complicity in disinformation?

Take your choice!

"...Phil Jones...should spend the rest of his days as a Wall-Mart greeter, cause he doesn't deserve to be a scientist."

Word just came in from my local Wal-Mart; they don't want him either. Seems they have a code of ethics for employees.