But New York City gets the circus!
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described [*!] mastermind of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and four other men accused in the plot will be prosecuted in federal court in New York City, a federal law enforcement official said early Friday.
Is there nothing that Obama can’t do?
* Alleged!
Speaking of Sheikh Jihadi Extreme Makeover….
I knew I’d seen that face before!
Another thing brought up on the radio today, they probably were never read their miranda rights. Case dismissed.
One of the NYT commenters said “Try them in Texas”. Initially I thought it was a swipe at dubya…butchyaknowwhat? It actually makes way more sense to try them in Tx than NYC.
Texas is a big state where security concerns would be minimized in the sparsely populated areas. The Texas justice system works as efficient as any in the Union – the defendant’s presumed right to a speedy trial has a better chance in Tx than NYC. Also, nobody administers the death penalty quite like Texans do.
So if Guantanamo is a stagnant rotting mess of Islamic terrorist tripe…the great state of Tx and it’s no nonsense justice system might be the right tonic to correct the malaise.
Curious, I guess I need new glasses, as I thought the guy on the left was WK after a rough policy session at the Lib HQ.
Why is anyone surprised that obama is using alinsky’s playbook? Everything that he has every done said that he would.
I was going to predict a suicide bomber on the steps of the court house.
Upon further thought, the terrorists aren’t that stupid.
Obambi will do more damage to the USA and the free world than any physical explosive could ever do.
Unfortunately the gullible Americans (leftards, demoncrates and virtually everyone under 30) will get what they deserve but drag the rest of us with them.
I’ll be stocking up on lead and keeping my powder dry.
Dave.
Isn’t that guy on the left a superannuated porn star?
What Lawyer in his right mind would take on this case? “Give me infamy or give me death?”
Talk about a lose-lose situation.
The enemy looks at us and sees not ‘a fair trial’ but abject weakness.
“Give me infamy or give me death?”…oops, make that an exclamation mark not a question.
ET you are absolutely correct. However, I would add that in addition to putting the USA and the FBI and CIA on trial during a war in the very city where this horrific terrorist attack took place and paid for by the taxes of its citizens is nothing short of an intentional mockery and insult by this administration. In my opinion an even darker strategy and outcome is possible: the consitution itself will be used to legally introduce Sharia law (a further mockery and insult). This adminstrations treasonist agenda and utter contmept for its citizens under this president is continually being severely underestimated. One only sees 10% of an iceberg(the visible amount ) – the other 90% remains unseen. 90% of this evil agenda is yet to be seen, yet it only takes the visible 10% to sink the ship (think Titanic).
It is such a blatantly evil decision that it leaves me stunned. It is an anti-American decision. It has nothing to do with justice; nothing. It is a purely political decision.
1) Those on the left are defending it as ‘it will showcase the value of the American Justice system. Rubbish.
The American justice system is not now and has never been at question. There is no need to defend it.
AND – that’s their only defense! A non-issue!
2) So, what’s it really about? It is one thing only. It’s a political strategy with ONE agenda. One agenda.
This has two parts: part one is to Bash Bush; this will satisfy the blood lust of the leftist crowds who are feeling let down by Obama’s weakness in their Pet Values of gay marriage, attacking the CIA.
Its other part is to make the American people feel guilty by showcasing America as The Cause of Islamic jihadism.
Result? Vote for post-Bush Obama.
3) It’s a political strategy to DIVERT attention from the disasters of Obama’s presidential reign: his deficit, his pork-stimulus, his cap-and-trade, his health care..all of which are bankrupting America and doing nothing positive.
It’s a political strategy to counter the growing voices of the Tea Parties (whom Obama himself denigrates by calling them TeaBaggers)..The Tea Parties are growing, are continuing, and that massive Tea Party in Washington, which the Obama Gang are pretending didn’t happen…has deeply worried them.
This is their response to the Tea Parties, to FOX, to the American people who Dare To Criticize the Great Master, Obama.
4) What does he do with their criticism of Him?
He puts the American people on trial. That’s what he does.
They’ll manipulate the MSM so that this is ALL that will be talked about, the evil Pre-Obama regime…and the disasters of the Obama regime will barely get any air time.
5) Then, there’ll be the threats against America as this trial incites jihadists around the world. These will be used as evidence of the Evils of the Bush era, and Obama will give speeches: ‘We HAve Changed; This is Post-Bush; there is No Need to Attack Us. Oh..and Vote For Obama.
That’s what it’s all about. Disgraceful, despicable. And frankly, Evil.
[quote]No, but one can always dream…[/quote]
If Obama & Holder think any AMERICAN will allow those terrorists to PISS on the graves of those lost on 09/11…be my guest. One terrorist boot on the ground will incite an ugly response…Do you think NYC police will protect the worthless clowns that pretend to seek a type of unjust vengeance, but actually intend to violate every American value in the process. This is part of the anti-American agenda by Obama
Obama is a Muslim by blood line….is Holder?
This may sound trivial but the result of this civil trial gambit is not written in stone.
This may have many goals—-eliminating by default may legal checks and balances that are in place to protect the civil rights of civilians versus the justice system.
For starters—the public Holder assertion that he has confidence that KSM will be convicted is by itself grounds for an appeal or set aside.(set aside = vacating a conviction).
These vermin were not Mirandized and then there are the allegations of torture which taints evidence.
Because of the above and the reality that acquittal is impossible in principle—-this sets a evil precedent for jurisprudence.
That may be the agenda—to allow the Marxist masters of the US government to persecute critics and opposition with impunity.
Just heard Giuliani with Cavuto:
“This is the application of a political IDEOLOGY … over what I would call common sense” [close approximation].
“From the top down”.
Obviously!
sasquatch – exactly, Hodder’s assertion that they WILL be convicted is a violation of due process in a criminal trial and could be used to justify ‘corruption’ of that due process.
But think about what is going on..By the way, during his tenure as Senator, Obama pressed for a military trial! (See Breibart).
What is going on is a blatant attack on the American people, on any and all who have dared to criticize Obama. This is His answer to the Tea Parties, to FOX news, to the Town Halls. He’s putting them, and their supposed Bush-Allegiance, on trial. THEY are the evil ones. Not the terrorists. THEY will be shown as the ‘root cause’ of terrorism.
And, think about it…the explosion of jihadist emotions this will incite among radical Islamists; this trial will act as a recruiting bonanza for jihadists.
Why? Because the cause of jihadism will be shouted from New York..the cause is Bush-Americans! Not Islamic fascism! No, the cause is America!
Then, he’s bankrupting Americans even further, because the millions spent, by Americans, on funding the defense lawyers for these five, and the millions spent on security..incredible.
What about the jurists who will receive death threats and even attacks?
And..notice, any and all future terror attacks will be blamed, not on Obama..including the current Ft. Hood one, but on Bush. So, Obama is preparing the way to avoid his complicity in future terrorist attacks.
AND, the trial will divert all attention from Obama’s disastrous policies at home and abroad, and focus on Bush. And create an American Guilt Trip, which will only be dealt with By Voting For Obama.
The blatant Evil of this agenda..is incredible.
So far, the only defense I’ve seen of this decision is that ‘it will showcase the purity of American justice to the world’. But this reason is empty. American justice has never been questioned; there is no need to examine or display it. American justice is not on trial and never was.
But Obama is…and he’s setting this up to instead, divert criticism of him..to Bush, and anyone who supported Bush and who criticizes Obama.
Pure evil.
ET, Hasn’t Obama crossed over into a psychopath? Or are we just now seeing it?
He is demonstrating no empathy for the survivors and their families in his quest to destroy Bush and Cheney. He is cold and chilling, warm smile regardless.
I pray, as you predict, that this will be a bridge too far.
Sasquatch:
the public Holder assertion that he has confidence that KSM will be convicted is by itself grounds for an appeal or set aside
Geez, have you never watched a single episode of Law and Order? There’s nothing wrong with a DA proclaiming his faith that the guilty will be convicted, just as there is nothing wrong with the defense attorney holding press conferences to claim his client’s innocence.
gellen – is Obama a pyschopath? I’m not sure if I’d go that far but he is sociopathic, and is, in my view, a malignant or pathological narcissist.
As such, he has no empathy for anyone. His only agenda within is relations with other people is to control them. His control is to ensure their constant adulation of him, their inability to criticize him, their utter bonding to His Will.
He has previously managed to isolate himself from criticism. He’s done this by playing on his ‘race’.
And, by his manipulative skills. Narcissists and sociopaths are masters of rhetorical manipulation. Obama’s winks, grins, calls for ‘shout outs’, calls of ‘I love you’, and his empty rhetoric of glory…that’s all part of it.
Previously, Obama has managed to evade responsibility and ensure that others are in his control by using race and charm to ‘do nothing’. He really hasn’t done a thing concrete in his career. As ‘president’ of the Harvard Law Review he didn’t do the required work of editor but left it to others.
He’s written no analytic arcticles on law in any journal himself. His two ‘books’ are autobiographies and their authorship is questioned; one of those books was supposed to be an anlytic study of race; he couldn’t do the research and analysis and instead it was about Him.
His time as community organizer was as a cheerleader. His time in Senate was the same, empty and merely voting ‘present’ or far left.
Now, he’s President and for the first time, he’s open to criticism. And he can’t handle it. It enrages..and I mean that word..it enrages him. It makes him feel fragile, losing His Control Over You. That’s enough to turn a sociopath into dangerous rage and attacks.
He’s attacked FOX new, he’s had his minions disparage the Town Halls, the Tea Parties..Can you imagine – he won’t permit Americans to criticize him! If they do – he rejects them!
And now, this current agenda is a blatant open attack on Americans who criticize Obama and who might be Independents or Republicans..who favour Bush. It’s an attack against them.
He’s not only inciting an explosion of jihadism around the world against America, but, he’s further dividing the country. Remember is talk about a non-divisive America? Obama has done more to incite racist divisions in America than any recent president; he’s divided the political arena; and now, he’s dividing Americans into those who support Obama vs those who support Bush..and he’s defining those who support Bush as The Cause of Terrorism.
The agenda is so monstrous, so evil…it’s astonishing.
I don’t think there is really a difference between sociopath and psychopath. I believe the latter word became associated with violent action (PSYCHO!) and therefore the former was invented to denote a person without a conscience/compassion/empathy but who is non-violent.
Both words clearly indicate a person without guilt, conscience, empathy, remorse.
I don’t think “sociopath” is a “milder form” as much as another nicer word for the same syndrome. It’s kinda like thinking socialism is a milder form of communism, which it really isn’t. Perhaps we use communism to denote a political system with gulags and mass murder, whereas socialism is thought to be less overtly (physically) violent.
Robin of Berkeley (American Thinker) did a good piece on why Obama may not be ABLE to feel empathy.
ET: I’m 100% with your assessment of the sheer unmitigated EVIL of this. But you have to admit it’s also pretty strong evidence backing my contention that Obama is a hard-left ideologue. A true BELIEVER.
me no dhimmi – no..sigh..Obama’s current Trial Of America in New York, isn’t, to my mind, evidence of his being a communist ideologue.
It’s evidence of his being a pathological, demented, narcissist, who cannot allow anyone to function outside of his control. Reject Obama and he’s showing what will result. Nothing to do with ideology.
As for the difference between a sociopath and psychopath, I agree with you. The differences can depend on the author/researcher. One person will indeed say that the former is non-violent while the latter is violent. Another will say that the former is less organized while the latter is very organized. Another will say that the psychopath is ‘cooler’ or more controlled in his anger while the sociopath can ‘flip’ in his rage at loss fo control over others.
Whatever – I think it’s clear that Obama is pathological and an incredible danger to the American people..and the world.
ET: re: your earlier post about our agreement, be clear I agree with nearly everything you say here (ex. Israel, anyway).
I only disagree a little around the edges. And when I try to take you on, it’s only ‘cos you’re BIG GAME. 🙂
I’m sure we agree that:
Obama, like most on the hard left, believes that most of the world’s problems are due to American adventurism; that he certainly doesn’t subscribe to the belief in American exceptionalism; that he believes in a “community of nations” which would be all harmony absent American hegemony; that he doesn’t understand that with all its faults, from a statistical point of view, the post WW2 US hegemony resulted in a period of unprecedented peace and harmony; that the US was a “good bully” relatively speaking; that he fails to understand that most US failures internationally were well-intended ones; that he believes the US shouldn’t be restrained by the constitution ‘cos it only spoke about “negative rights”; that he believes in the State as the solution to all social problems; that he NEVER talks about the high morality and bountiful fruits of free market capitalism (notice, zero suggestions on removing the many constraints on the free market in health care); that he sees the market as a unlevel zero-sum playing field of exploiters and exploited; that he believes in wealth re-distrubution domestically and globally; that he believes in subordinating US sovereignty to global governance.
Clearly that partial list adds up to a unmistakable statist, anti-American ideology. The marxist label is, in the end, unimportant.
Mark Levin, in his bes-seller, never mentions socialism, communism, marxist, only STATISM. That’s wise, I think.
I like your Trial of America. Further up I made a very short post: it’s a REVERSE show trial.
And EVIL is the only word for this.
me no dhimmi – is Obama a statist? Yes, to that I’ll agree. But before you jump up and down in glee, I’m qualifying my opinion.
He’s a statist, NOT because he believes in the constructive power of the State to ‘do what’s best’ for a nation. He’s a statist because it empowers HIM, as president, and disempowers the People. That is, his view of ‘what to do’ is based on HIS psychological aberration of malignant narcissism. Not on any intellectual analysis of governance.
Intellectually, I consider him a blank. His mind is totally empty. He can’t analyze a cause and effect of anything. That’s why he was unable to write that book on racism and instead switched it to all about Obama. That’s why he’s never written any analytic articles. Nothing. His only focus is on How Do I Control YOU. That’s it.
And he’s in politics because it’s the only profession apart from a used car salesman where you can get by with charm, winks and slick talk. He’s in the Democratic Party because its ideology is all about statism and reducing the power of the ordinary people to zero.
So…there it is. We do see a lot of things in common..It’s just that I think that Obama is more intellectually barren than you do. His mind is like the roots of a dead plant.
Didn’t Nostradamus predict the end of the world to occur in 2012, during Obama’s reign?
Got to reread those quatrains. Events seem to be unwinding as predicted.
If someone could tie The Red Prince and Obama together, the whole world would get a tingle up their spines.
ET: Yeah, I think we BOTH (along with a lot of regulars here) got Obama right from the get-go, from even before he got the nomination. And it must be conceded that your analysis has been more expansive and eloquent than most, including my own!
I completely agree that he’s a blank, intellectually barren. It’s just that I don’t see that as “an alibi”. Put another way, I don’t think it’s at all true that holders of strong ideological beliefs necessarily got there through rigorous intellectual analysis. In the case of the hard left, it seems to me that’s its derived emotionally, not intellectually, through envy, jealously, resentment, hatred. I believe Obama is a great hater!
Our minor differences are probably mostly semantic.
All these defendants need is one Muslim on each jury of their peers and regardless of any evidence the result will be hung juries at best.
Convictions have to be unanimous and no Muslim would risk being ostracized, or worse, by their community.
me no dhimmi – ahh, now there I again agree with you. I think that Obama is a ‘great hater’. He has a lot of hate and anger in him.
After all, sitting through 20 years of anti-American, anti-white rants of Wright…only someone with hate in him could do that. And he hasn’t found a new church, so that means that he wasn’t going there for the Christian religion but for the hostile rants.
And I’d bet he moved into that psychological state long ago, faced with parents who abandoned him, tossed him around..and were socialists themselves.
So, yes, I agree, that many of the left radicals do follow The Word of Socialism, not out of intellectual commitment, but out of their own emotional needs. Obama is in that set.
Dare I say this:
Coming from a bit of a dysfunctional family myself (father manic-depressive alcoholic, albeit of the functional variety) I felt really bad for the boy Obama after reading Robin of Berkeley’s American Thinker piece of a day or two ago.
That was a tragic upbringing. Affirmative Action put him on a path he was clearly not suited for. By totally neglecting to do the required due diligence, MSM put him in the Oval Office. In some ways, I’m angrier with MSM than with Obama.
You have to avoid sentimentality though considering the extremely dangerous situation the country is in with this president.
Oz makes a good point about hung juries. Considering Army Chief of Staff’s insane remark to the effect that a loss of “diversity” would be even more tragic than the 13 murders, you’ve got to be terrified about a “diverse” jury.
The problem that I see with this move is this — it tends to legitimize the terrorist agenda, to make this an ordinary crime (on a mass scale, to be sure) and not a new form of warfare that is not to be played by the established rules of warfare (declarations, codes of conduct, etc).
It should be treated as that new form of warfare that we arbitrarily define to be outside the pale, and therefore subject to arbitrary justice.
Even Bush and Cheney were perhaps too soft on these people. They would have been better to divide the Gitmo prisoners into the truly guilty and the small fish caught up in a bigger game.
The truly guilty should have been executed Nuremburg style within 18 months of being detained — trials could have been held in any reasonably non-contentious place, but surely not New York City. Perhaps some place like Fort Stockton, TX if they didn’t want the media assembling in Gitmo (hey now there’s an idea !!!)
The small fish could then have been given a merciful release, since they would probably just fade back into the labyrinth which is sure to produce a steady stream of new “martyrs” in the coming years.
A summary execution would have sent the right message — mess with us, and you’ll pay with your life, no moral uncertainties about are we right or wrong to terminate your sorry lives.
If we don’t know what is evil, then how can we hope to be good?
This is Obama’s paradigm — he is so obsessed with being “fair and just” that he ends up being nothing but “a reed shaking in the wind.”
Now you would have to agree, Jesus might have been thinking about just that example when He asked His famous question about said reed shaking in the wind. Or maybe it was Harry Re(e)d.
ET:
I think the Fort Hood speech was an example of his complete lack of empathy to the human emotional current that carries us all.
The shocked silence at the beginning as he talks about the Native Chief instead of the slaughter spoke as nothing else of his disconnect from people.
He has to guess how people are feeling. He has no internal reference or understanding. He misses entirely the external body language of folks. I do agree with your analysis. He has no Religion except himself. As for the trial when dealing with a devil its best to assume the worst.
JMO
Slightly OT: somebody here recently mentioned the electric chair in a comment concerning the US Military’s use of the death penalty. Apparently it’s been 50 years since it was last applied(?).
Anyone know for certain how the US Mil. administers the death penalty currently? Just curious.