His is the ideological gift to the world that just keeps giving;
THE [British] National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own waiting lists.
More than 3,000 staff, including doctors and nurses, have gone private at the taxpayers’ expense in the past three years because the queues at the clinics and hospitals where they work are too long.
Who do they think they are – politicians? With that in mind, here’s a poll question that should get people fired up.
(Via)
Update – in response to some of the comments posted here, this SDA flashback…
I thought I made my vote clear.
People should pursue what medical treatment they deem fit. They just don’t have the right to bar anyone else from that option.
Sorry if I was unclear.
I thought the law in England states if you use private healthcare just once you lose the public option for life? Oh wait they are politicians they are above the law as governing socialist scummy elites.
Osumashi Kinyobe – No, I got that.
Remember, people, the British Dental Service is NHS. Think about it.
Let’s look at a picture book: The Big Book of British Smiles….
Meanwhile, back in the Nation’s Capital:
“Health care: The public (non) option”
Mark
Ottawa
Yeah Baby!
Hey, Christ said “whatsoever you do for the least of these, you do for Me” so anyone who’s trying to make the point that He’d be for denying health care to the poor and their children is ignorant or a liar (or both).
Yes bleet. We want children – preferably minorities, but really we’re not picky – to die for want of simple pills, which the government is trying to dispense like candies tossed from a rich man’s horse-drawn carriage. We want old people to snuff it in hospital corridors because Bill Gates stole all the medicine, and we like it like that. Those of us who are keen on Jesus mainly fancy him because we think he tells us to nuke foreigners.
Shut up, would you?
OOoohh, black Mamba you’re so tough! Witty, too! “Shut up would you?” Ouch!
Were you aware that this site follows a specifically anti-Christian philosophy?
“Hey, Christ said “whatsoever you do for the least of these, you do for Me” so anyone who’s trying to make the point that He’d be for denying health care to the poor and their children is ignorant or a liar (or both).
Posted by: bleet at October 20, 2009 8:11 PM ”
So. Are you saying that your commie/green hero and the socialists at WHO that banned DDT,and thereby condemned millions of African children to death,did it for Christ?
Your Momma out of the house again?
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welllll now, if’n the politicians couldn’t scoot off and git better health care on our dime (or even their own) then they would govern, and fix the health care mess, and that is their JOB, so why would some of you allow them to politic with your and your loved one’s lives, just because they can circumvent the system. If any of you nay sayers have a better way of holding them accountable, spit it up!!!!!!
Two-tier health care in Canada is on its way. Do you think that I (and others), one of the 10% who pays 90% of taxes, and who has paid for everyone else’s health care my whole life, am going to sit here in the line? No. Canada will never be able to continue to fund the current system! Private health care including hospitals should be allowed – and fast!!! And all Canadians should be charged a non-means-tested fee for ALL services, waived for the poorest.
It is not illegal to pay a Canadian doctor for medical services outside the provincial health plans. It’s actually quite common.
Black Mamba, don’t bother talking to bleet. Bleet is a moron and a troll. I mean- who heads for the lowest common denominator in an argument (ie- what would Jesus do?)? Any level-headed person would know full-well that Jesus wouldn’t back liberal nonsense EVER. That is beside the point. It’s a button for a moron to press. It’s all bleet knows how to do.
Actually, I’m rather touched by bleet’s concern for my spiritual welfare. I’m agnostic, but just to be on the safe side I say five Hail Marys and do a shot of holy water (as is my understanding of how that works) before logging onto this “specifically anti-Christian” site.
Truely, bleet, I wouldn’t condemn “the least” of almost anybody to the kind of neglect to which the seriously ill are often consigned under socialized medicine. Osumashi Kinyobe’s right: “Why can’t you mean people be more caring!?” is such a lame addition to a conversation. I wish you would put more effort into your trolling.
I suppose it should be no surprise that since Kinyobe thinks it advances his argument to lob ad hominems he also makes preposterous statements like
“Any level-headed person would know full-well that Jesus wouldn’t back liberal nonsense EVER.”
Yeah, bro. Caring for the “least among these” and Christ’s command to give all you have to the poor and follow Him are really right-wing boilerplate rhetoric.
Quite simply, it is impossible to be a modern day conservative and also claim that one is a follower of Christ.
I guess you’ll just have to lob more ad hominems at me in place of an argument, Kinyobe!
Seriously folks, while I fully understand the temptation involved, please don’t feed the trolls.
You’re completely right, Colin.
Laura,
Two tier health care already exists in Canada. For the people who can afford it, they go to the US to get timely medical care. Some people even go to India for medical procedures. The existence of full-service “clinics” in Quebec and Ontario allows one to jump the queu as well. I believe Jack Layton attended an exclusive clinic in the Toronto area (Shouldice Clinic) for his hernia surgery. So it does exist. The clap-trap you hear about our “Universal Healthcare” is nothing more than propaganda.
bleet,
Christ promoted personal generosity and volunteerism, not support for publicly funded systems that pretend to offer equal access to quality services. I find it funny when you guys use the teachings of Christ to promote “generosity” by government proxy – industries controlled by bureaucrats and public services aimed at helping out those in need, but refuse to eliminate the real source of the problems.
Kaga –
Just like Kinyobe’s ludicrous assertion earlier you have nothing to back up your idea that Christ merely promoted “personal generoisty and volunteerism”. Just where did Christ encourage volenteerism? Utter nonsense.
I provided specific quotes to back up what I said. why can’t you you do the same? Because there arent’ any. You’re making stuff up whole cloth.
Christ’s command to care for the weakest among us, and his message of non-violence is irreconcilable with what passes for modern conservatism. Anyone heeding the message of Christ would be against the principles you espouse. Specifically they would be against the mania you have for denying poor children health care.
Final judgement by God will come to the individual, not to entire groups. Much of Christ’s teachings are focused on individual faith, moral choices, generosity and kindness. The parable of the sheep and the goats (where the verse you posted came from) talks about how individuals will be judged by God based on the moral choices we made in life and the genuine kindness and love we show others.
Instead of volunteerism, I should’ve said unselfish acts of kindness. I’m talking about charitable donations and work, helping out with the sick and elderly. Conscious decisions with the intent to perform acts of kindness or sacrifice to help those in need.
Which led to my main point: I don’t think God will judge you based on the “generosity” of the government with your tax dollars. While support for free health care for all is a noble idea, I don’t believe it determines if you truly are a more righteous person than the next guy simply because we’re all forced to pay into it.
And finally, since you brought out the accusation that I would like to deny poor children health care (even though I didn’t mention anything about being completely against public health care), then I’m going to ask you why you support a system that lets actual sick people in need of care die on waiting lists?
The only reason i voted no is because there maybe services provide in other countries that we may not do here.But if it is provided here then they should go through our system just like the rest
Kaga
In Christ’s comment that “What you do for the weakest you do for me”, in his comment “Give all you own to the poor and come follow Me”, in his comment “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven” we see the precepts we are judged by, and so do not need to know what you “think” God will judge us by. It’s all been written out quite clearly. Evidently a bit too clearly for some.
It simply is not credible that any individual following these precepts of Christ would support a party which denies health care to the least and most vulnerable among us. It isn’t about being “righteous”. It’s simply about recognizing what Christ said and aligning one’s behaviour with those principles.
However, it seems you are not discussing this sincerely in any case, given your mention of waiting lists which gives your argument the feeling of propaganda. Your position seems to be: since our health care system has problems, abolish it. The millions of children whose lives have been saved, in an out of the womb, who would have been allowed to die in the US, don’t figure into it all, huh? Just the buzzword ‘waiting list’ which has been fed to you by your masters. In this you are like your brethren to the south: suck up to the rich and the insurance corporations, and the weak and poor be damned. What’s Christian about that?
“Give a man a fish, and you will feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you will feed him for life.”
“Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, and give unto God whart is God’s.”
Why do people have to be dependent on Ceasar all their life? What organization invented hospitals?